Trade Up Coming?
April 23rd, 2020
Target?
It’s setting up like the Bucs might land a transformative defender.
So the Bucs sit at No. 14 tonight as the draft begins. For now. Depending on who you follow, manbeast Clemson defender Isaiah Simmons could go anywhere from No. 3 to Detroit to No. 12 to Las Vegas.
Alas, a trade-up spot appears to have opened. Per Tom Pelissero of NFL Network, the Cardinals, currently at No. 8, are looking to trade down. It seems Cardinals manager Steve Keim is hunting for a second-round pick. He currently doesn’t have one.
And guess who used to work for Keim? Yup, that would be Bucs AC/DC-loving general manager Jason Licht and Bucs coach Bucco Bruce Arians.
Man, Joe’s mouth is just watering at the thought of what this Simmons could do if unleashed under Todd Bowles’ defense. And there is no doubt that the biggest hole on the roster outside of running back is safety.
With Simmons, the Bucs would be impenetrable up the middle. Think about it: To have any success up the middle with Simmons, offenses would have to go through Vita Vea, Ndamukong Suh, Lavonte David, Devin White, Jordan Whitehead and Simmons.
Forgetaboutit!
April 23rd, 2020 at 8:05 am
I’m calling it now……
If the OT tackles are gone……
1 Choice – Kinlaw
2 Choice – Isaiah Simmons
3 Choice – Jerry Jeudy
April 23rd, 2020 at 8:06 am
I would prefer to trade OJ and a mid round pick to move up, keep the second for a good RB or tackle. But the dude is a beast to be sure
April 23rd, 2020 at 8:06 am
Don’t get cute, take Thomas.
April 23rd, 2020 at 8:07 am
I’m thinking we go all in on offense to get the most out of Brady.
R1- OT
R2- RB
R3- WR
April 23rd, 2020 at 8:08 am
@Op
You could probably wait till 4th for WR.
April 23rd, 2020 at 8:09 am
1st- Ruggs or Kinlaw
2nd- CEH or Akers
3rd- Best OL or S available
Would be excited with Simmons pick, but not a fan of moving up, especially if it cost a 2nd this year.
Bucs are not drafting an OL in 1st
April 23rd, 2020 at 8:09 am
Would love the player, but just can’t imagine that will happen.IMHO whether he won’t slide to 8 (even with a stupid gas mask video) nor will we trade away #45.
April 23rd, 2020 at 8:17 am
That’s the target…..teams will never show their hand on who they actually want. Instead they’ll hint around the obvious like o-line and if their guy is gone, they snag the o-linemen they “always had their eye on”.
April 23rd, 2020 at 8:18 am
Whew! I called that one….had a feeling Arizona could be a good trade partner. And I know the Panthers want him but I wouldnt be surprised to see them grab Brown if he’s still there, or a CB if Okudah is there. And then boom, we get him. God i hate to give up our 2nd though….theres gotta be another way. We’ll need that pick for Clyde!
April 23rd, 2020 at 8:19 am
As far as a trade up….if we have the success we intend, we can ship next year’s first which in theory should be a very late pick in the 1st rd. Cardinals are rebuilding, they’ll take two picks next year to continue to build around Murray.
April 23rd, 2020 at 8:20 am
Arizona has no legitimate starting TE on their current roster.
April 23rd, 2020 at 8:23 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ef9QnVpVd8
listen carefully buc fans 🙂
April 23rd, 2020 at 8:23 am
I don’t believe OJ Howard will be traded
The fascination with him, gronk, and brate on the field all at the same time in the three tight-end set like New England masterfully and what Brady excelled with is just too tantalizing to pass up.
April 23rd, 2020 at 8:27 am
Then Brady gets broken behind Haug and Smith and our defense has to be All-time great for us to win 8 games. No thanks I’ll take the best OL with a statue at QB please.
April 23rd, 2020 at 8:29 am
They need to keep the 2 & 3 rd picks to get RB and OL.
I still think they take them in Rd 1 & 2 and with 3 a defensive player.
I think OJ gets traded and they get a 4th back.
April 23rd, 2020 at 8:30 am
I would grab Simmons and be very happy to have a Derwin James type of Safety. That’s where I would play him. We are set at LB.
April 23rd, 2020 at 8:30 am
Even if we can’t accomplish anything tackle-related via the draft, Jason Peters hasn’t been signed yet, and he’s already said he’d be amenable to moving from left to right
April 23rd, 2020 at 8:30 am
We will NOT be picking OL in the 1st. BA is on record stating OL aren’t immediate contributors and you’re just drafting for next head coach.
April 23rd, 2020 at 8:31 am
I would stomach trading up for Simmons more than trading up for an OL
April 23rd, 2020 at 8:38 am
Stay at 14. We need our second or third round picks. Need RB safty and Oline. If you can move up by trading one of our TE then ok
April 23rd, 2020 at 8:40 am
I would prefer to add a solid veteran OT like Peters and now that we are getting this all in collection of star power, I would prefer if possible an experienced OT. This allows us to go BPA for our other picks.
I prefer to draft BPA and develop them as the core players. Positions of need in draft only when need and BPA are the same pick. Otherwise address need positions more with free agency which gives a better idea of the players pro level success vs a rookie who has no NFL experience.
April 23rd, 2020 at 8:41 am
Vegas
Yeah but anybody we draft is gonna be for the next HC…BA ain’t staying very long.
April 23rd, 2020 at 8:42 am
Rather take Taylor than Clyde. Guy has on gear, burner from start
April 23rd, 2020 at 8:43 am
How would you all feel about trading down for Jones if the big 4 OT were gone?
April 23rd, 2020 at 8:49 am
Trade OJ for Trent or trade a 3rd for Williams.
Draft Taylor at 14. He’s a horse, and we can feed him along with all our targets.
This would be awesome.
April 23rd, 2020 at 8:52 am
Trading down for a nice extra pick has more appeal to me than trading up. But we’ll soon see.
April 23rd, 2020 at 8:55 am
I would be happy with this pick if the top 4 OTs are off the board. Simmons would thrive in this defense!
April 23rd, 2020 at 8:57 am
I am so confused with joe. He has been harping for 4 years now we keep ignoring the running back position. And how that is so absurd to him. But now he is all for trading our first and second round pick in a draft that’s going to be loaded with talented runningbacks in the second round for a safety/linebacker at 8. Hmmmm
April 23rd, 2020 at 9:01 am
I wonder if we’d trade up to get a corner?
April 23rd, 2020 at 9:02 am
OJ stayin Bucs getting Becton
April 23rd, 2020 at 9:25 am
Sounds great to lose out on CEH in the second and have no legitimate talent at right tackle to try and protect Brady in 2020. As much as I would love Simmons and think he would excel in this defense, I do not want to miss out on the perfect RB for this offense and wait until at least the third round to try and find a right tackle. The draft is set up so that the talent is evenly distributed. Simmons IMO is simply not attainable in this draft as it would hurt the Bucs and limit their ability to address extremely important areas of need.
April 23rd, 2020 at 9:26 am
He’s the best defensive player in the draft and yes even better than Chase Young.
April 23rd, 2020 at 9:33 am
better than Chase Young? Whoa.
April 23rd, 2020 at 9:33 am
OT is a must 1st pick. RB should be 2nd or another OL
April 23rd, 2020 at 9:37 am
Now Panthers are looking to trade down….something tells me Simmons could be our pick….@Ocala, yep thats right. Dont get me wrong, Chase will be an awesome pass rusher, but Simmons can do a lot more.
Keep the other team from scoring!
April 23rd, 2020 at 9:47 am
Joe – you’re insane if the Bucs pick Isaiah Simmons. They will either pick a OT or DT or trade down. We don’t need a rookie at safety. We need a proven veteran for all the young guys.
April 23rd, 2020 at 9:48 am
Hamsandwich – I get your logic, but if OJ Howard is included, the the second or 3rd round pick that we throw in, will be next years. Trading up for a RT is incomprehensibly dumb, and that is NOT how its going to play out. Trading up for a transformative, all world talent – well, you betcha..
April 23rd, 2020 at 9:49 am
@Ocala -I just read Simmons’ 40 time was faster than Saquan Barkley. @Ocala, yeah can’t argue with your assessment.
April 23rd, 2020 at 9:53 am
@gofot.. as long as we don’t give our second or third this year.
April 23rd, 2020 at 9:57 am
Ndog wants Jamoist back. He loves watching Winsnone lose football games.
April 23rd, 2020 at 10:18 am
Joe, please stop it … this guy is too good … Dont get my hopes up .. and I wont even watch the guys youtube highlights … THis guy is a Saquon Barkley style Defender, but more football player than athlete … I just cant get my hopes up … But if we trade up and he is there and we draft a RT, I could freak even though RT is best pick …
April 23rd, 2020 at 10:38 am
Wait did you just say the biggest holes are safety and running back over RT. So Joe Haeg is better than RoJo, Whitehead, Evans, and Edwards?
April 23rd, 2020 at 10:57 am
Sorry joe there’s no way the Bucs trade their 2nd rounder. I think the Bucs stay put the 1st 2 rounds and take a OT and RB in no particular order
April 23rd, 2020 at 11:24 am
Christopher, Joe has tried to claim the offensive line is good for years now. Everyone except Joe sees right tackle as being our biggest need and it’s not ever close. Only Joe sees other positions as bigger areas of need.
April 23rd, 2020 at 11:36 am
I watched his tape and I don’t get what all the excitement is about. A stacked defense makes a safety look better.
If the desire is S in round 1, I’d prefer to trade back, pick up McKinney, and get extra picks. We do need OL, RB, DL, and S.
April 23rd, 2020 at 11:41 am
The Joes are trying to “connect the dots”, as they say…From what BA has said about drafting O-Linemen (and the fact we needed one LAST year and didn’t take ANY), and Simmons being a great fit as a Todd Bowles chess piece…It’s easy for me to see the logic behind this.
April 23rd, 2020 at 11:51 am
So according to Joe, we spend draft capital to move up to select Simmons who because he’s a tweener and would work better in a 4-3 defense (we’re a 3-4) turns out to be just another Mark Barron. In the mean time because we didn’t go after a day one starting OT we will be inundated with crude articles on how bad our run game is, and how irresponsible Licht was for not addressing the RT position or how crappy RoJo is because he can’t break through gang tackles.
same modus operandi …Simmons may turnout to be a fine player but just doesn’t address our needs at this time
April 23rd, 2020 at 11:59 am
I am intrigued by this possibility. If you feel that this would be a special player, you do what you have to. Need should not come into it in the 1st. You need a pro bowl player with this pick. We know Licht has shown some ability to draft O-linemen in the middle rounds so if he doesn’t go with an OT in the 1st, we can still find a player that will contribute. The question is what can they get for OJ or Brate, as we desperately need a RB, and we will need to be in the 2nd round to get one we want most likely.
April 23rd, 2020 at 12:17 pm
Noooooo trade up! Stay pat, get one of the big 4 OTs or see if you can trade back and pick up another late 2nd rounder.
April 23rd, 2020 at 12:26 pm
Simmons could be a true difference maker. From a great defense to an awesome defense.
We are tough up the middle of our DL…Devin White will blow up this year imagine Simmons behind that. A defense that’s truly three deep.
As far as blitzing…LVD…White…Simmons…where would it come from?
April 23rd, 2020 at 1:14 pm
Do I think this will happen? I think Simmons goes to the Giants, or Carolina. Even then, I have my doubts that we take an O-Lineman with our 1st Round pick.
April 23rd, 2020 at 1:57 pm
trade downs will be hard to come by, most teams are coveting the depth of this draft and everyones trying to get more day 1\day 2 picks not less. it’s fascinating because so many teams are loaded with draft capital but many of those teams have torn the house down and need the quantity as much as the quality
April 23rd, 2020 at 2:52 pm
Lots of ink on OJ for Trent… but needs to be OJ AND Smith for Trent or you don’t have the room to pay Trent.
Regardless, after hearing OJ had no time for Jimmy Giles and also had no time to speak to newly signed Brady… he’s no longer a Buc in my mind. I blamed Jameis’ poor ball placement for OJ not fully realizing his talent… but it sounds like that was only part of the story… he’s also missing half of the “can do/want to” equation… a TE version of Josh Freeman?
April 23rd, 2020 at 5:40 pm
“And there is no doubt that the biggest hole on the roster outside of running back is safety.“
It’s already been said but, only the Joe’s think this?! RT is our biggest need, by a long-shot!!
April 23rd, 2020 at 6:27 pm
We need to follow the winning formula.
We build from the lines back.
Priority has to be PROTECTING TOM BRADY.
I hope we land one of the 4 tackles.
Id be much happier if we traded Howard for Trent Williams.
That trade would make the Simmons pick a good pick.
If we can trade Howard for a good Tackle, then this draft would allow the Bucs to fill all the major holes.
Safety
Rb
DT
QB
Wr
OT
LB/ edge rusher
April 23rd, 2020 at 7:53 pm
All the OTs will be gone…Riggs, Kinlaw or another tackle that isn’t top four