Poll: Sellout Chances Take Hit
April 14th, 2020
Ticket sales in a pandemic
When the Bucs signed Tom Brady last month, many folks thought fans would stream into the Den of Depression like Team Glazer was selling gold nuggets for a nickel.
People thought all of a sudden, ticket sales would be a snap. Well, there is evidence that since Brady signed, packed crowds at home games is much more hope than reality (at least in mid-April),.
The night Brady was signed, several outlets grabbed screenshots of how many Bucs fans were waiting in line for season tickets online. There were several thousand in the queue. Or at least that’s what was shown for public consumption.
Joe wrote two weeks ago how tons of tickets remain available for Bucs games.
Then, Joe came across something yesterday that suggests unless this pandemic is quashed pretty damn quickly, there will be plenty of legroom at Bucs games this fall, provided fans can attend games.
Yes, we are all under lockdown thanks to The Sickness. In five months the NFL season is scheduled to open. Whether those games will be held at all or will be games played in empty stadiums only for TV broadcast purposes is still to be determined.
Seton Hall University released the findings of a nationwide poll conducted last week about sports and The Sickness. It seems 72 percent polled, nearly three out of four, said they have no interest in watching any game in a stadium or arena until a vaccine is developed for The Sickness.
Of the respondents who called themselves sports fans, 61 percent said they would not return unless they are vaccinated.
Asked what they would do if the leagues resumed play before the development of a vaccine, 72 percent of Americans said they would not attend games, with 12 percent saying they would if social distancing could be maintained. Only 13 percent said they would feel safe attending as in the past. Among sports fans the number drops to a still significant 61 percent.
How exactly can there be social distancing — generally half the length of an average Peyton Barber run — at a football stadium? So every other row would be empty and there would be three empty seats between each ticket sold? And just how many security goons would Team Glazer have to hire to enforce that throughout the Den of Depression?
Let’s say a vaccine is found and approved by the Fourth of July — which means it would be historically fast-tracked — it seems unlikely that within two months a vaccine could be mass-produced and distributed to the general public by early-September.
Just to get insurance companies to approve the cost of the vaccine could be a bureaucratic nightmare.
(Two years ago Joe was prescribed a drug that had just been approved by the FDA — Joe was on a waiting list to receive it. It took Joe’s insurance company eight months to approve coverage. And Joe purchases insurance from one of the nation’s largest health insurance providers.)
Can you blame anyone for not wanting to attend a football game until a vaccine is available to the general public? Hell, just going to the grocery store in the middle of the day can make some people feel like they’re walking on thin ice.
Like anyone, Joe hopes The Sickness burns out like many viruses do. Expecting Bucs fans to pack the Den of Depression this fall, it sure seems like that’s not going to happen.
April 14th, 2020 at 9:09 am
Not everyone is going to go get this vaccine the first go around either. A september Sunday afternoon in Ray Jay when it his 100 degrees will kill the virus.
April 14th, 2020 at 9:09 am
There is no doubt that attendance is in jeopardy either partially or totally…..but televising the games is a very likely occurrence.
That poll could change substantially between now and the start of the season…
We will have 4 months of tracking this…….
April 14th, 2020 at 9:13 am
No way. What we have to hope for is that a vaccine is approved and widely available by the start of the 2021 season. Even that is assuming everything gets fast tracked. As sad as it is to say, I’m not sure getting 106 players (53 per team) plus coaches, plus referees, plus grounds keepers, plus security, etc. on a field is even going to be approved for 2020. Perhaps if everyone is tested and and don’t have the virus and then quarantined from their families and friends for the remainder of the season. Just seems like there are too many hurdles to overcome.
April 14th, 2020 at 9:15 am
yeah joe, sadly i concure, and for the most part, i do not think we will ever see brady taking a snap for the bucs, i think this season will be cancelled and he will probably hang up his cleats after a year’s absence from the game, tampa better get a QB in the draft
April 14th, 2020 at 9:21 am
The “real” fans are not to worried!!!!!!!! There will be major ticket sales in the week leading up to the game by the expendable mass-holes!!!!!!!!!!!! The rest of us can watch ole stale biscuit and crew lose from home!!!!!!!!!!!
go bucs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
April 14th, 2020 at 9:24 am
The media driven pandemic sadly will impact attendance. It is amazing to me that so many Americans willingly traded in their freedoms for the freaking flu. The flu kills 80k people a year, why don’t we close society down permanently then? Welcome to socialism like folks.
April 14th, 2020 at 9:26 am
Let’s say hypothetically the season is cancelled, then what would be the draft order for next seasons draft? It would be unfair Cinci would have the first pick two drafts in a row. Would it be like a lottery?
April 14th, 2020 at 9:28 am
I bet if you told everyone in the southeast that wearing masks in public and social distancing would guarantee having college (and pro) football in 2020, compliance would be at an all-time high and this cases would plummet
April 14th, 2020 at 9:30 am
Great article Joe! I think you hit the nail on the head. I hope that the season goes on but as a season ticket holder, I absolutely will not go to a game wearing my N95 mask that is for sure. NO VACCINE = EMPTY STADIUM. Then games will be weird I almost feel they will be less exciting without the fan/ home field advantage.
April 14th, 2020 at 9:30 am
Dano2200
This so-called flu you like to call it just killed both of my best friends relatively healthy parents at 68 and 72 years old.
April 14th, 2020 at 9:31 am
Who can and can’t watch the games in a stadium is so not important right now
Today who cares about the NFL or even football for that matter. We need the country back first then sports after that. Doesn’t matter we need ppl working to buy the tickets
April 14th, 2020 at 9:37 am
I’m going to the stadium period. I dont give a rats ass about this vaccine. No mask no nothing. I’m going
April 14th, 2020 at 9:37 am
If that’s close… go get him. If seasons canceled we will need a QB. Even if not, set yourself up for the next 10 years
April 14th, 2020 at 9:38 am
@ Dano2200, I don’t want to disrespect you or get into a major debate. But to quote Randy Moss..’ COME ON MAN” people of your opinion are many.. But to me people that think this is some sort of media/ government driven conspiracy is really disturbing. with all due respect as we all are entitled to our own opinions.
April 14th, 2020 at 9:39 am
@ Lamarcus… AMEN MY MAN. AMEN!!!
April 14th, 2020 at 9:56 am
I had season tickets for 41 years and did not renew last season. Attending games is not that enjoyable. The early half of the season is just too hot. The Bucs added state of the art video boards but mostly show commercials. Replays are not shown enough. Since the black out rule was lifted we can enjoy the games in front of our big screen HD TVs. I had great seats 35 yard line 10 rows up. It cost $250 for my two seats each game. Just not worth it anymore.
April 14th, 2020 at 9:58 am
No thank you on a vaccine
April 14th, 2020 at 10:04 am
This is GREAT news. TEAM GLAZER is getting what it deserves after their stadium deal screwed over many local Bucs tax payers and fans. They had their shot to cash in off TB12 and i hope that place is as empty as it was in the early years. BAD BAD Ownership group. Don’t let the TB12 signing fool anyone. They still are worst owners in professional sports to work for.
April 14th, 2020 at 10:06 am
Joe’s not that doom and gloom but the thought did cross the mind.
April 14th, 2020 at 10:11 am
Buddy you’re a malcontent and your opinion is nothing. The real issue is a virus has changed the lives of Americans and the world. You are commenting on a family that has done nothing but invest in the community and own the football team we all wish has some success. You should not read this site or comment. I’d take your JoeBucsFan card today. You too, Jim in Ph.
April 14th, 2020 at 10:20 am
@Dano a lot of people would think your being insensitive by pointing that out. I can understand that since the news media has been reporting the sky is falling. But the facts are that as of this morning in the whole world of 7.8 BILLION people 120,914 have passed away. I would say we all will be fine. Just my opinion.
April 14th, 2020 at 10:27 am
A vaccine is some distance off…..but a treatment is probably right around the corner…..they are developing antibody treatments now & should be ready soon.
If this can become something that won’t kill you (treatment) then things will slowly get back to normal.
April 14th, 2020 at 10:33 am
No matter how it shakes out, this season is going to have a huge asterisk on it. Whatever happens with playoffs and Super Bowl will be most likely be considered an outlier or fluke.
April 14th, 2020 at 10:34 am
Just like jim in ph I didn’t renew my club seats after 21 years. The game day experience declined year after year. The new sound system is so loud I couldn’t even talk to my kid sitting next to me. How do you run out of draft beer in the entire west club before halftime?! Three games in a row?! My seats were in section 205 and for 10+ years non club fans were free to hop the railing or walk through the gate at the bottom of the stairs into the club lounge. So what’s the point of paying a premium for the “club experience” when any fan can get in? Apparently the team feels that the free access to the lounge might induce fans to buy club season passes, which they didn’t. It’s also a sad state of fandom when people hang out at the bar with all of the screens for fantasy football and never bother to watch play on the field. Sorry for the long post as I could give you another dozen examples of the crappy game day experience at the Ray-Jay!
April 14th, 2020 at 10:46 am
Jean Lafitte. I read an article that sports would do the draft order like the 2005 nhl draft when they were locked out the year before. Everyone gets three balls in the machine if you had been to the playoffs in any of the last three years you lose a ball. And if you had a first overall pick in the last three years you lost a ball. So then they randomly picked balls for the draft order. And went opposite way in second round team picking 32 got the 33 pick and team picking first overall got the last pick in 2nd
April 14th, 2020 at 10:50 am
Ray Jay invented social distancing years ago…
Fans haven’t packed that stadium in a long time
April 14th, 2020 at 10:52 am
SRQ Buc Fan Says:
“It’s also a sad state of fandom when people hang out at the bar with all of the screens for fantasy football and never bother to watch play on the field.”
I had season tickets once and this used to drive me bonkers. I used to talk about in here on JBF. It’s not just a little bit of fans too. It’s tons of fans hanging out by concessions or buying gear in the middle of the game. The games goiong on and nobody’s in the stands.
Didn’t really matter anyways…half the fans in the stands never said a peep when our D was on the field. Most just looking at their phones and what not.
Really lame fan base.
Go Bucs!
April 14th, 2020 at 10:53 am
@ancientasbuc So others aren’t allowed to have their own opinions on this site? Ok, yea that makes a lot of sense. Good Day SIR!!!!!
April 14th, 2020 at 11:15 am
I have no interest in watching the game at any Stadium because I hate the end game experience. It’s a rip off, it’s work and it’s overpriced. Nothing in the least bit redeeming.
April 14th, 2020 at 11:15 am
The doom and gloom fans are going to get their hearts broken. What the media does not want you to know? Average age of death from virus 80.5. Not sure how many 80 year olds go to the games. 99 % of all cases had health issues. 25 % suffered from one illness, 26% suffered from 2 serious illnesses, and 48 % suffered from THREE or more illnesses. Those with zero issues .08%. Not downplaying deaths but this is one out of literally dozens of illnesses that can cause death. Or you can just look at the ENTIRE west central Florida area including Orlando. as of Sunday there were 72 deaths out of a population of over 5 million people.
April 14th, 2020 at 11:17 am
To you folks arguing that we’re over reacting to the Covid-19 virus, let me remind you that the numbers you are quoting are for a year not two months. Nor do most people that have the flu have to go on ventilators. That’s why the hospitals had to scramble for them, as well as protective equipment. People can get vaccine for the flu and that greatly reduces the number who get seriously ill. There currently is no vaccine for the coronavirus. This is unique. We’ll eventually get through it and get back to some semblance of normal, but it’s damn amoral to say screw it just so you can see football.
April 14th, 2020 at 11:21 am
The amount the glaziers have taken taxpayer wise from the community (along with all other pro sports owners) Is about 95% more than what the give back. It’s all smoke and mirrors create a tax lodge (aka’ the glaziers museum, etc., etc.) and then get the word out that they’re giving back because there’s so many losers like the ones on This site that actually believe the glaziers are magnanimous.
April 14th, 2020 at 11:21 am
Well, well, well, look at Joe “get religion”. I posted here a week or so ago about how there can NOT have a season until a vaccine has been developed AND implemented across society.
https://www.si.com/mlb/2020/04/10/sports-arent-coming-back-soon
Lowercase, with your attitude regarding vaccine my guess is you won’t need it.
Draft for 2021!
April 14th, 2020 at 11:23 am
I’m a season ticket holder, lower bowl not club seats, and I’ve always defended our Stadium. But after attending the Bucs/Seahawks game in Seattle last November, I’m done. THAT stadium is the gold standard. You can literally have a nice dinner and wine sold in a GLASS half carafe ($40). The quality and variety of food and drink there is unbelievable. Great size seats and sight lines on the sidelines. Doesn’t anyone on the Bucs research other NFL stadiums?
April 14th, 2020 at 11:27 am
Being a Liberal, I believe 100% in Science and for that reason I believe that we are looking at a minimum of 18 months just to develop and test a vaccine. The idea of Social Spacing and policing it at stadiums around the country is flawed at best. Playing before an empty statement makes sense and seems the most probable outcome for the next few years. Most fans watch the game on TV anyway.Other than the Cheerleaders and a few streakers there is little else to see except the game. The argument that is most dominant supporting this theory is the Psychological affect that the virus will have on many quarantined people. We all need something to look forward too and preoccupie are idle time. Sports in a small way for many fulfills that void. Who isn’t looking forward to the Draft? Unfortunately BaseBall, Hockey, and Basketball were caught in the onset of the virus and simply had little choice but to end the season (Olympic’s, XFL, Soccer ect.) Football however has 4 months to prepare, and will come at a time when a lot of folks will need a big dose of Psychological uplifting. If football can succeed in some form then other professional sports will resume next season. Hey, if Andrea Bocelli entertained millions worldwide, we can enjoy Professional Football.
April 14th, 2020 at 11:32 am
Jeffbuc
Interesting ..thanks for responding
April 14th, 2020 at 11:37 am
Thanks for your depressing take [Easy now. — Joe] or whatever ..smh
April 14th, 2020 at 11:39 am
@martinii:
There has been a devastating lack of streakers in recent years.
April 14th, 2020 at 11:51 am
I have read and seen plenty of documentation that vaccines are dangerous and many are designed to assure sickness, Autism or even planet depopulation.
People who refuse to attend a public sports game, unless they know people have been vaccinated are foolish. Bill Gates is a NWO supporter and insist he is allowed to introduce his Covid-19 vaccine globally…. Folks, become aware.
April 14th, 2020 at 12:16 pm
Wow Joe, not your fault of course but this blog has become a free for all littered with doom and gloom conspiracy theorists. JWA, really? Dude, without vaccines most of us wouldn’t be here because our parents (or their parents) would have died from the myriad diseases that used to kill folks. FFS…
April 14th, 2020 at 12:34 pm
The world is not going to end or even slow down for long because of .0008% of the U.S population.
April 14th, 2020 at 12:39 pm
If this wasn’t an election year it would have been swept under the carpet like the H1N1
April 14th, 2020 at 12:40 pm
NashvilleBuc Says
“No matter how it shakes out, this season is going to have a huge asterisk on it. Whatever happens with playoffs and Super Bowl will be most likely be considered an outlier or fluke.”
I don’t know about that.
We’re still the Buccaneers, and every team will be on equal footing.
One thing is certain…NFL tv rating are going to show HUGE growth this year.
On topic, I’m sure not willing to risk investing in season tickets this year. Maybe if the NFL let potential buyers know how their investments would be handled if they can’t attend games, that might change.
April 14th, 2020 at 12:42 pm
Bucnjim5656 Says
“If this wasn’t an election year it would have been swept under the carpet like the H1N1”
Dude…the Bird Flu never even reached us. This is much, much worse. Quit reading fake stories on Facebook and Twitter.
April 14th, 2020 at 12:46 pm
martinii Says
“Being a Liberal, I believe 100% in Science and for that reason I believe that we are looking at a minimum of 18 months just to develop and test a vaccine.”
I don’t. I mean, yes, a permanent one, sure. A well-tested one. But they’ll clear something very quickly through the FDA, and maybe regret it later. Maybe not.
There is nothing to suggest this is a seasonal thing either. So it won’t go away until EVERYONE obeys the Stay at Home recommendations for at least a month.
The problem is that not everyone is doing so.
Thankfully, even though my sons work essential jobs and still live at home, no one has gotten it yet. I had the flu in February…so grateful I go over it before this all started.
April 14th, 2020 at 1:01 pm
The Bucs would be wise to draft with an eye towards 2021. Playing without fans doesn’t really solve the logistical issues at play here.
April 14th, 2020 at 1:07 pm
I’m starting to believe that JBF has picked up a bunch of NE fans…….desperately hoping the Bucs don’t get a chance to play with Brady…..
I wonder how many who want everything to be shut down have jobs that aren’t threatened……
I am hoping for things to open up especially for those who are at risk of losing their jobs……or have already lost them.
April 14th, 2020 at 1:08 pm
The greatest season that we never had.
April 14th, 2020 at 1:09 pm
sports takes a backseat to what is happening worldwide…
sweden has not done any social distancing and let things remain the same during this pandemic, and their numbers are surprisingly dropping…
could that be a sign the virus is simply just losing steam???
i don’t know…
but if this virus doesn’t just lose steam, there will be no football…
no vaccine will solve everything in one fell swoop, and it won’t happen overnight…
tom brady will still owe derek jeter a lot of money for that deluxe living arrangement…
and we will all be wearing underwear for 2-3 days at a time like it’s all good…
hanes stock will drop drastically as all stinky mofos will need less underwear…
we will all sit at home watching more pornhub and cnn…
gloria vanderbilt’s son and chris cuomo will be the only truth we know…
and none of us will see those beautiful all pewter color rush jerseys on any football field…
things are looking bleak from a sports fan perspective…
however, this trumps sports by epic proportions (no pun intended)…
as sports is just one of many domino effects in a much bigger health, social and political issue and agenda…
everyone thinking football first is letting their hedonistic viewpoint
get the best of them…
go watch mad max a few times, and go change the lightbulbs in your underground apocalyptic fortress,as well as the bulb in your head
April 14th, 2020 at 1:10 pm
If anyone can save us.. it’s Mike Smith and the 10 yard cushions
April 14th, 2020 at 1:22 pm
sports takes a backseat to what is happening worldwide…
sweden has not done any social distancing and let things remain the same during this pandemic, and their numbers are surprisingly dropping…
could that be a sign the virus is simply just losing steam???
i don’t know…
but if this virus doesn’t just lose steam, there will be no football…
no vaccine will solve everything in one fell swoop, and it won’t happen overnight…
tom brady will still owe derek jeter a lot of money for that deluxe living arrangement…
and we will all be wearing underwear for 2-3 days at a time like it’s all good…
hanes stock will drop drastically as all stinky mofos will need less underwear…
we will all sit at home watching more pornhub and cnn…
gloria vanderbilt’s son and chris cuomo will be the only truth we know…
and none of us will see those beautiful all pewter color rush jerseys on any football field…
things are looking bleak from a sports fan perspective…
however, this trumps sports by epic proportions (no pun intended)…
as sports is just one of many domino effects in a much bigger health, social and political issue and agenda…
everyone thinking football first is letting their hedonistic viewpoint get the best of them…
go watch mad max a few times, and go change the lightbulbs in your underground apocalyptic fortress, as well as the bulb in your head
April 14th, 2020 at 1:24 pm
i said it before and i’ll say it again…
vernon hargreaves was the first one into social distancing…
he was way ahead of is time
just a cutting edge type dude
🙂
April 14th, 2020 at 1:34 pm
There’s always the theory that we’d be better off if we all just got it..
Scary indeed.
April 14th, 2020 at 1:46 pm
Yup, lets shut down the whole world and destroy everything to protect the immuno-suppresive. Tom Brady is right, maybe if a lot of you stopped smoking cigs and eating McDonalds everyday your body will be strong enough to fight this virus, which by the way developing your own antibodies is much better. But leave it to the subservient Lib nerds that want their leather daddy big pharma to save them. Now there could be some law that you can’t go outside without a mask, lmao how disgusting and weak. B**ch A**ness is also a disease
April 14th, 2020 at 1:48 pm
Yup, lets shut down the whole world and destroy everything to protect the immuno-suppresive. Tom Brady is right, maybe if a lot of you stopped smoking cigs and eating McDonalds everyday your body will be strong enough to fight this virus, which by the way developing your own antibodies is much better. But leave it to the subservient Lib nerds that want their leather daddy big pharma to save them. Now there could be some law that you can’t go outside without a mask, lmao how disgusting and weak.
April 14th, 2020 at 1:53 pm
Some of you guys been watchin to much Star trek and Sci-Fi. It takes time to develop a vaccine which works for everybody. Even with them rushing it, I don’t see one hitting the market until September or so at the earliest. So..Digest that.
April 14th, 2020 at 1:53 pm
Bonzai:
Feels like we are on the same page and I apologize if my post seemed definitive, I am as much in the dark as most. I agree modern technology could put this flu to bed in the next few months or at least create a much better understanding of treating it. On the other hand it could seasonally mutate into a non-pathogenic strain. I to have a daughter who is a nursing supervisor and a front line responder. Glad to hear you are well and am respectful of the service your sons are providing. Guess I better say something about the Buc’s or joe might shut me down. GO BUC’S
April 14th, 2020 at 2:05 pm
Joe what do you continue to bring this subject up , many people have no idea what their future is with all that’s going on , how the hell will anyone go drop $400-$2000 if don’t even know if they will be working.
Use common sense !!
April 14th, 2020 at 2:10 pm
wow…
just tuned in to cnn and a scientist from harvard was saying we need to continue social distancing untill 2022…
omg…
that’s wild if such is the case
April 14th, 2020 at 2:10 pm
The virus is almost certainly seasonal, there’s a reason that Florida and Texas and California have WAYYYYY less deaths than predicted — and no, it’s not social distancing – the doom and gloom models adjusted for that. Out of the three, Texas has by far the least number of deaths per million, and yet was the last to issue stay at home orders – CA also has low deaths per million and they were among the first to do stay at home (Texas performed better). The weather matters, as we know from multiple studies (there was just another new one that came out yesterday), the virus has a very difficult time transmitting in heat and humidity and UV. BTW, heat means it only needs to be around a 65 degree mean temp, once you get above that the transmission rates fall off quickly. Once we get that first big nationwide heatblast that sticks around for a week or so, that should greatly slow things down if it’s not already under control by then. It is believed the heat and humidity don’t allow the virus to linger in the air, it’s literally pulled down by the heavy air — and it’s also believed that somehow, more direct UV light that you get in the spring and summer, or at lower latitudes, deactives the virus (although, in fairness, this one is more speculative at this time).
Yes Panicky Pete, people can transmit the virus directly, even in the heat – if someone coughs in your mouth it can spread. If someone is doing something in a bedroom it can spread. If a waiter in an air conditioned restaurant has it and coughs on your food, it can spread — maybe or maybe not — they’re not totally sure about that since if you just eat the food and wash your hands, the virus might not get into your respiratory system. I know, I’m not testing that theory either, but that’s what I’ve read.
All of this means that by June the virus cases should be drying up in most of the country. Even the doom and gloom University of Washington model that promised millions dead says most of the cases will dry up in May.
Also this means, open the G-D beaches back up. You are not getting the virus being at the beach, even a crowded beach. Don’t believe me, good look at the number of cases by zip code and go look at Clearwater Beach. Remember all those pictures of packed beaches that everyone was complaining about? Well, they got 5-9 cases in Clearwater Beach. That’s all.
April 14th, 2020 at 2:20 pm
so regarding the upcoming football season:
they will just keep things running as normal as possible…
for now…
until they have to completely pull the plug…
simple as that…
inevitably, the plug will have to be pulled at some point, but there is a small window of time for the powers that be to keep things up and running, or at least in semi-limbo…
but the clock is ticking big time, daily…
#ItsAyeNewWorldNow
April 14th, 2020 at 2:25 pm
A vaccine is likely not just months away….it’s more like 3-5 YEARS away…if ever! There is no guarantee there will be a vaccine at all. It may also be like the flu where it’s only somewhat effective. And we may find a few treatments that help. But we are not going to have a vaccine save us anytime soon.
Im not sure where this leaves any of the pro sports. But if we have to wait for a vaccine or until there is zero health risk….then all the sports leagues will eventually go bankrupt. The XFL is already filing for bankruptcy.
April 14th, 2020 at 2:28 pm
we all hope you are spot on Dr. Munch
April 14th, 2020 at 3:18 pm
You do not have to be an Einstein to know They simply don’t know everything about this virus just yet. If Doctors and Nurses are dying and they are wearing mask and gloves, What does that tell us? It tells me, The Virus is sneaky, tricky and opportunistic. It may even seek out certain vernabilitites in people. This thing is far from over. Its great to be optimistic about football. You can go ahead and go to whatever venues you like. But I’m waiting on the Vaccine which will probably be available by the end of the year.
April 14th, 2020 at 3:28 pm
Dude, it takes 12 months just to test and see if the vaccine is effective! Then it takes longer to figure out if it is safe. The vaccine will not be out for YEARS.
April 14th, 2020 at 3:34 pm
So nice to see how many people know more than the experts.
April 14th, 2020 at 3:35 pm
Rod
The people at the beach weren’t from here, they just mingled here together and took it with them, all over the country.
April 14th, 2020 at 3:37 pm
the nfl has a large enough window to not shut down yet…
but a small window in the realm of fighting the virus…
at some point the plug will have to be pulled for health’s sake…
for now as nfl fans, all we have is hope…
just ask obama and shepard fairey
April 14th, 2020 at 3:38 pm
Bonzi,
First of if you are going to accuse me of being fake please bring facts not your opinion. The H1N1 first of all is the Swine Flu and over 121,000 died in the U.S. Alone. Yesterday most governors discussed ways to end the restrictions and it’s only April 14th. The numbers do not add up if you can even do the simplest of math. The average age of deaths from the virus only changed from 80.5 to 79.5 in the U.S. and is 80.5 outside the U.S.
April 14th, 2020 at 3:52 pm
Rod,
Yes I’ve also read that the high humidity keeps the disease from being airborne and shortens its ability to live on surfaces for long. I’m not an expert but I do at least listen to the ones who don’t have an agenda. For those who have the time check out Will Smith doing a round table discussion with an expert in the field. Doesn’t really exactly fit what I feel about it but he is extremely neutral in his observations.
April 14th, 2020 at 3:57 pm
Bucnjim…I thought Bonzai was wrong (as usual)and almost looked it up.
April 14th, 2020 at 4:03 pm
I’m ready for the country to open up.
I’m currently working (not working) in the restaurant business….still don’t know how my field is going to pan out with social distancing and all. I’m ready to go back to work now though..
My autistic daughter (has no idea what a virus is) has OCD and won’t stop bugging me to go to Disney World pretty much every day. That place might not ever open up.
April 14th, 2020 at 4:47 pm
1987, hang in there man.
April 14th, 2020 at 4:57 pm
480 men in the US each year die from breast cancer, 269 under the age of 45 have died from Coronavirus in the US.
Things could change, but men that are under 45 are more likely to die from breast cancer(a cancer we typically do not screen men for) than they are the coronavirus.
The coronavirus is 10 times more contagious than the flu, but for young people the risks of death is low.
A reasoned handling of the virus:
If you have underlying health conditions and/or over the age of 65 you should take the more extreme measures being levied on the general population.
However, those under 65 should take a more measured response and continue to live their lives with some extra precautions such as staying at home if you are sick or being more cognizant of their personal environment.
Destroying the economy has a substantial negative impact on the health and security of those most vulnerable(the National Suicide Hotline has seen an increase of 850% of people contacting them).
April 14th, 2020 at 5:14 pm
MikeJohnson
We’ve had our disagreements about “positive’ versus “negative” thinking but when it’s life and death better to simply resort to CLEAR thinking. I agree with you.
“You do not have to be an Einstein to know They simply don’t know everything about this virus just yet.”
Amen Mike…unless you’re a RWNJ who follows the Dear Leader who knows EVERYTHING ABOUT EVERYTHING…and calls all disagreement scientific, commons sense or logical “fake news”.
We have our share of RWNJ’s on this very blog and so here is a link to help everybody…many perhaps most of you may know these “errors’ but they are worth reviewing. Of course it is from “medical” experts and what do they know compared to dufuses who hold better information with NO education NO experience in the field in their head! One moron here the other day compared this to cancer or heart disease which claim more lives. DUH Neither of those diseases is CONTAGIOUS!!! And the latter is actually preventable with better diet and exercise. There is a LOT of hating the message so let’s shoot the messenger…I’m just glad this was all a freaking Democratic HOAX. I mean Imagine what would happen if it was REAL?
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/coronavirus-myths-explored
20. The virus will die off when temperatures rise in the spring
Some viruses, such as cold and flu viruses, do spread more easily in the colder months, but that does not mean that they stop entirely when conditions become milder. As it stands, scientists do not know how temperature changes will influence the behavior of SARS-CoV-2.
As for Sweden’s looser social distancing…no their rates are not going down!
https://abc3340.com/news/nation-world/as-virus-deaths-rise-sweden-sticks-to-low-scale-lockdown
ALL of this is still speculation!!! Even among the experts. Mike Johnson is right!
One thing is undeniable…places with social distancing early suffered less than those who waited. Florida is EIGHTH in the freaking nation…yeah we’ve kicked some serious butt….and our numbers are not dropping. The rate of the increase has subsided but the number of deaths continues to grow.
I’m the optimist and I did hear and expert epidemiologist claim we are closer to a vaccine that believed and in fact could be here as early September/October.
As Joe and others have pointed out even if that’s true how long to scale up?
My greatest hope for football season is as TBBF first observed…staged shows in stadia without fans.
A final thought for our attorneys…Dolman Law could perhaps help us here.
There are going to be major lawsuits when this settles down for employers, new orgs..and others who ignored this thread. IE My Wells Fargo Banker is forbidden from meeting me face to face…it’s all phone or internet.. Wells is protecting more than just their employees…their attorneys are surely protecting their bottom line as well.
April 14th, 2020 at 5:28 pm
Buc1987:
Thank you for such much needed perspective.
April 14th, 2020 at 6:07 pm
GoFor30, it isn’t enough for you to disagree with those of us that pay attention o scientists, you have to throw in slurs for what you think is wrong thinking (therefore liberal thinking). You sound like you slept through HS biology, if you ever went to HS. If all you ever listen to is your Dear Leader’s press conferences, I can see why you have your attitude. A new day is coming in Nov. You better hope that rough and tough guys like you are naturally immune. Why don’t you go over to the hospital and volunteer for help. I’m sure they could use a self-immune swell like you.
April 14th, 2020 at 6:12 pm
Joe
No problems social distancing now at RJ. So few fans there. Bucs would just have to reassign seats. 😷
April 14th, 2020 at 6:42 pm
Let’s keep the virus in perspective. Of the total deaths attributed to the virus, New York/New York City accounts for 11,000 of the 23,649 total deaths in the US, leaving about 13,000 for the other 49 states. For Florida, there have been 571 deaths attributed to the virus and 3,050 hospitalizations (Hospitalized counts include anyone who was hospitalized at some point during their illness. It does not reflect the number of people in hospitals today). (https://www.floridadisaster.org/globalassets/covid19/dailies/covid-19-data—daily-report-2020-04-14-1723.pdf)
Now let’s look at COVID-19 vs. the common flu. For COVID-19: Approximately 120,450 deaths reported worldwide; 23,649 deaths in the U.S., as of Apr. 14, 2020.* For the Flu: 291,000 to 646,000 deaths worldwide; 12,000 to 61,000 deaths in the U.S. per year.(https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/coronavirus-disease-2019-vs-the-flu). We live every day with a deadly virus, the common flu, and many fail to be vaccinated.
This is not to minimize the danger from COVID-19. Both COVID-19 and the common flu are viruses, but rather to show we deal every day with a deadly virus in our midst. We’ll need to deal with this one also.
April 14th, 2020 at 8:58 pm
Buc1987
Our situations are Exactly the same.
I don’t know if you’ve ever heard the same eight second clip of a video over and over and over.
I asked my wife if she remembered how the Marines got Manuel Noriega to surrender 😅
April 14th, 2020 at 9:42 pm
Bucnjim5656 – You need heat AND humidity, if you have humidity and temps like in the 40s and 50s, that is the time where the thing spreads the quickest. That’s from a Chinese study and a European study that came out in the 2nd half of March – it wasn’t an opinion piece. The UV part was from a 3rd study, and more speculative, but they were comparing places with similar weather and outbreak rates, and those at lower latitudes performed better (again, with similar weather) – this makes them believe that the UV being higher, because the sun was at a more direct angle, helped deactivate the virus.
To support that just on Monday there was another study released saying people working indoors should open windows and blinds because, surprise, surprise, the UV rays and humidity help to dramatically slow the transmission rate.
That study is yet another that proves why they need to be reopening the parks and beaches. In past epidemics and pandemics they always recommended people go outside and get as much sun and exercise as possible because it helps the body fight off infections — and even if it doesn’t help fight off this thing – it can help the body fight off side effects. Instead people are told if they go and walk their dog at 9:01pm in Hillsborough they’ll be arrested.
April 15th, 2020 at 8:12 am
Buddy says your a moron