QB Drama Begins

March 1st, 2020

In demand, per report.

Aaannnddd… Here. We. Go!

Let the quarterback drama begin! And for Bucs fans who do not like quarterback drama (but secretly do), you can blame Bucs AC/DC-loving general manager Jason Licht and Bucs coach Bucco Bruce Arians for stoking it last week in Indianapolis.

Some fans are so desperate to run Mr. Entertainment, America’s Quarterback, Pro Bowler Jameis Winston, they are ready to embrace none other than Andy Dalton of the Bengals.

Why the Bengals — like the Bucs, not a playoff team — are so confident in Dalton, they are ready to trade him away and draft another quarterback.

Paul Dehner of The Athletic reports the Bears have reached out to the Bengals to gauge the trade market for Dalton.

The first and most obvious is the Bears, who have been in touch with the Bengals on the topic. If looking to give “competition” to Mitch Trubisky, Dalton would be just that.

So let Joe get this straight: Some believe a guy who guided a team to the worst record in the NFL, and said team is looking to unload, gives the Bucs a better chance to win a Super Bowl than Jameis? Huh?

And the Bears think so little of Dalton that he might only be “competition” for a truly brutal quarterback, Mitch Trubisky? Really?

Here is another little fact for the anti-Jameis crowd to ponder if they would rather have Dalton: Jameis has as many playoff wins as Dalton.

Just for fun, specifically for the quarterback-wins crowd, Joe looked up Dalton’s record the past four seasons (20-35) and compared it with Jameis’ (22-25).

Uh, oh.

Enjoy the soap opera, boys and girls!

97 Responses to “QB Drama Begins”

  1. soggy Says:

    so your saying they both suck?

  2. Bucsfan951 Says:

    Oh this is about to get fun!

  3. TouchDownTampaBay Says:

    Lol. Joe, now all the haters are going to have to spout off that he is a much better option than the guy who led the league in passing yards, 2nd in TDs and the 3rd best offense in the NFL with no running game.

  4. Pick6King Says:


    Have you forgotten that wins and losses don’t matter. Any failure to make the playoffs can be blamed on coaching, defense, kicker, OL, Wide Receiver, wind. But never a pro bowl alternate QB with a 28-42 record. You hang on to those as if they were pure gold. As long as the QB’S name is Jamoist.


  5. MidwestBucsFan Says:

    Here is another little fact for the anti-Jameis crowd to ponder if they would rather have Dalton: Jameis has as many playoff wins as Dalton.

    No offense — but if you’re going to compare postseason resumes, this isn’t a very good take (and i’m not even an Andy Dalton fan)

    Dalton has lead the Bengals to multiple postseason appearences and division titles.

    Jameis has lead all his Buccaneers teams to a nice, quiet January — watching the playoffs at home with their families, like the rest of us.

  6. Tye Says:

    The only certainty is JW gives NO ONE a better chance at playoffs much less a SB continually throwing the game winning pass to the opponent…
    So Dalton with Arians likely is a better chance at a SB, even if very slim!

  7. Dirks Great Granpappy Says:

    You can put a piece of crap in a box and mark it guaranteed and all you got is a guaranteed piece of crap

  8. Destinjohnny Says:

    Nobody will pay for a guy who throws 30 picks

  9. tmaxcon Says:

    Dalton has lead the Bengals to multiple postseason appearences and division titles.


  10. CPN Says:

    Dalton is at 66.3 according to the PFF grades for 2019.

    Winston is at 68.4 according to the PFF grades for 2019.

    So they’re both close to similar besides Winston putting on an amazing campaign. I’m all in on Dalton though, he got his team to the postseason, and could thrive with a better supporting cast in Evans, Godwin etc.

    At least Dalton threw less interceptions, which could give the Bucs a higher chance at winning football games.

  11. tmaxcon Says:

    Dirks Great Granpappy Says:
    March 1st, 2020 at 4:55 pm
    You can put a piece of crap in a box and mark it guaranteed and all you got is a guaranteed piece of crap

    That sums up the bucs on field product for the last 18 years

  12. #1 Pick QB 2 Cent Brain Says:

    Dalton has never thrown 30 INTs

    Dalton has more playoff appearances and winning seasons in his first 5 years as well

    Also seems there is more interest in Dalton than Jameis…

  13. OneBuc55 Says:

    Love him or Hate him, Jameis will be back next year…

  14. Check your sheet Says:

    Not Dalton. Give me Brady or Bridgewater or Rivers in that order. Not the ATM. Draft a rook and let him play before signing the most prolific turnover machine in the NFL. Go Bucs!

  15. westernbuc Says:

    1) Dalton didn’t start most of the year
    2) Bengals have a terrible roster
    3) AJ Green didn’t play all year
    4) Chris Simms defended Andy Dalton and said he’d be an interesting player for Arians.

    And he’s never thrown 30 picks

  16. Aceofaerospace Says:

    I predict Mr Pick-6 will refuse the buccaneers offer to test the market, the Bucs will move on and Mr Pick-6 will sign with another club for less that what the Bucs offered.

  17. tmaxcon Says:

    Destinjohnny Says:
    March 1st, 2020 at 5:03 pm
    Nobody will pay for a guy who throws 30 picks

    They sure will. No one respects or will hold jameis time with the minor league bucs seriously…. its the bucs everyone sucks there. Unlike narrow minded jealous ignorant bucfan they will look at the positives and potential coupled with the fact the glazers run an organization void of leadership and have zero credibility. Rember the bucs have been a league wide laughingstock better part of 43 years much longer than young jameis has been alive…. also remember jameis was 7 years old last time bucs won a meaningful game….

  18. TouchDownTampaBay Says:

    Yeah, bring in the 42yo, the 39 yo or the fragile game manager that will want $30M as well. Those are all bad options.

  19. Bucsfan951 Says:

    As much as I bash Winston (I’m only holding him accountable for his play) I feel he’ll be back for 2020. Not sure if it’ll be a tag or a contract. I’m ok with that. 1 more year in this system will tell us where we are at with him. I do hope Licht has a strong draft this yr so if the Bucs need to go qb next year, a lot more pieces are in place.

    I do want Winston to do good. I do want him to succeed. I do want the Bucs to go to the playoffs. I DO WANT THEM TO WIN THE SB!!!

  20. Blogtalkfootball.com Says:

    Getting more popcorn…

  21. Dan Says:

    Let’s be real. Jameis is not a starter on any team with a winning record. Just teams like us who can’t attract decent talent.

  22. NO FEAR... Says:


  23. Defense Rules Says:

    I think JBFers should start calling you ‘Joe the Tormenter’. Why do you even bring these things up Joe? Give BA a little credit at least … no way he goes for a QB like Dalton. We could only get him via a trade with the Bengals, and I can’t see BA giving up a quality player for a QB who MIGHT only be with us 1-2 years as a ‘bridge QB’.

    If BA’s going to trade for anyone, it’d be for someone like Derek Carr who wouldn’t be a ‘bridge QB’ at all. And that’d only be if BA felt that Carr fit his offensive attack philosophy, which he may or may not. That’s up to BA.

    Odds are BA is sticking with Jameis. ‘Fixing’ Jameis’ INT problem may be nothing more than modifying the attack schemes AND fixing the Bucs’ rushing problem. The one thing that might keep Jameis from being the Bucs’ QB this year is Jameis himself and what he perceives his value to be. If he insists on making big bucks this year, he won’t make it here.

  24. crazyBucs_CL Says:

    “So let Joe get this straight: Some believe a guy who guided a team to the worst record in the NFL, and said team is looking to unload, gives the Bucs a better chance to win a Super Bowl than Jameis? Huh?”
    This comparison is ridiculous, naïve, and laughable….No Sir, the majority us think NONE of them, EVER will be, NOR will win a Super Bowl.
    You don’t give two crap.y options, to poll and make your guy ,JW, win….. unless you are hard core FSU fan….pathetic…

    BA = LovieS 2.0

  25. NPRSageBoy. Says:

    Check win/loss records of JayMiss and Dalton, the only stat that really counts:

    JayMiss: 28 – 42 .400 win pct
    Dalton:. 70 – 61 .534 win pct

    That, JayMiss Apologists, tells the tale.

    Time to move on for JayMiss.

    Peace, out

  26. tmaxcon Says:

    NO FEAR… Says:

    let me try and break through your jealousy and hatred sir… the bucs have been embarrassing the sport of football under the glazers for 18 years but all the fault belongs to jameis the fine young man who was 7 years old when the bucs last won a meaningful game. the jealousy and hatred low standard one dimensional bucfan displays towards jameis is pretty irrational.

    so by your rational and well thought logic above let me ask this questions why have you not moved on from the bucs or will you just admit you hate his guts and want another quaterback. I can respect that…. but your logic does not add up

  27. tmaxcon Says:

    NPRSageBoy. Says:
    March 1st, 2020 at 5:50 pm

    nice cheery picking of stats… dalton did not have to play against 2 defenses each week either but you left that out…. you haters are hilarious. at least i owned my hatred of cancer93, dotston and lvd the leaders of the losing culture. you one dimensional narrow minded fools and the irrational selective math / statements are laughable.

    just own the hate! After all hate is the least faked emotion…. all you married guys sitting across from your miserable wives faking happiness right this minute understand me completely. should have stayed single!!!!! A lifetime of variety is much better than a lifetime of misery.

    you guys that hate jameis for failures / mistakes yet give free pass after free pass to the franchise are the poster boys and girls for hypocrisy. bucs were embarrassing the sport of football long before jameis.

  28. Big_Buc$ Says:

    Dalton has had a running game and a top ten defensive unit considering how cheap the Bengals are. So give Marvin Lewis some credit. Also not mention he had AJ Geeen. This guy has played in 4 playoff games and thrown 1 Touchdown and has accounted for 8 turnovers with 7 interceptions. So this is the guy that will come and light it up and lead Tampa to a super bowl? Folks go back and listen to Carson Palmer it takes almost two years just to get a full understanding of this offensive scheme. I don’t care at this point who the QB is but if the RT, RB, DL,and Kicker isn’t addressed same results folks 6 to 9 wins. Now I’ll say this offensively we put up points this year even with all the interceptions so folks look at that and we need for Bryron to call a balanced attack. 5100 yards and 33 TDs and 30 ints tells me two things immediately. No running game and you cant run the ball. Lastly you behind early. So I hope they get this offseason right from free agency to the draft. I hope the can hit on at least their 1st 4 picks. Hopefully they can contribute right away.

  29. Craig Says:

    Dalton has a much prettier long ball that Jameis and can connect much further down the field. He also knows how to spread the ball around. That means he can throw both long and short passes in the same game.

    Jameis struggled with doing that. Last year his intermediate throws got a little better, but not enough for the loss of his short passes, which were horrid this past year.

    I would vote for Dalton as a better bridge QB than Jameis’s paranoid whatever.

    Bucs still need to draft a QB.

  30. tmaxcon Says:

    D R

    Odds are BA is sticking with Jameis.

    Jameis should reject any offer and sit out under any tag. No other franchise will hold that against him. No other franchise takes bucs seriously and fully understands that BA and his BS is Lovie 2.0 Act 4….

    lict, ba and the glazers will screw up every aspect of this off season from draft, free agents and qb decisions you can take that to the bank! They are being arrogant publicly and it will blow up in their faces. People in glass houses should not throw rocks. the way past his prime BA has had ZERO success building a winner on his own. keep drinking the kool aid though I enjoy watching the optimists get nutpunched frequently.

  31. 2002WasALongTimeAgo Says:

    OR.. if Jameis is so desirable…why are the Bears going after Dalton as competition for Trubinsky? Why not wait for the Mr. Excitement, ProBowl alternate alternate alternate alternate Jameis for 9 mil?

  32. Bird Says:

    No fear

    This joe thinks haneis is jesus christ walking the earth
    He would not just pay 30 mil a year but 35
    You cant reason with him when its comes to his boo

  33. Bird Says:

    Yah. I say none of the above
    Mr heatmizer has never won a playoff game
    No thank you
    Got a buddy who is A huge bengals fan. Trust me dalton is not the guy

  34. 541BucsFan Says:

    i think the answer is whichever is cheaper we can keep more defenders.

  35. tmaxcon Says:

    541BucsFan Says:
    March 1st, 2020 at 6:38 pm
    i think the answer is whichever is cheaper we can keep more defenders.

    Yeah you’re right going back to losing 10 to 7 is much more fun than loosing high scoring exciting games

  36. Bucsfan0784 Says:

    Maybe Jameis will finally leave and everyone will have to find something else to whine about 24/7. I visit a lot of team forums and have not seen any fans cry and whine as much as bucs fan. It’s embarrassing

  37. #1 Pick QB 2 Cent Brain Says:

    Trying to blame Dalton for the worst record shows how clueless Joe is

  38. Buczilla Says:

    Jameis is not a good quarterback yet, but I don’t think that Dalton has the potential to EVER become one. Lol, capital F no on Dalton.

    Now if the “quarterback whisperer” thinks that Dalton is a better fit, who am I to argue? If we get this guy and things don’t improve at quarterback, I’ll be one of the first one’s advocating for Arians to get the heck out of here.

  39. Ed Says:

    More and more, this will come down to money, in more ways than one.

    The savings of not paying Winston means some extra money to chase another offensive lineman, more of a need than resigning Winston.

    The other issue is the money fans will spend. With Jameis the attendance is in decline because he sucks playing at Raymond James and hasn’t won any key games vs good teams. Matter of fact how poorly did he play at home against losing clubs like the Giants and Falcons. Yet on the road he was a superstar at LA and Seattle. That poor level of play in front of his home fans has turned so many of us off to bringing him back.

  40. Alvin Scissors Harper Says:

    I would take Andy Dalton any day over Jay Miss.

  41. runnerdoc Says:

    Why not Blame Dalton for Cinncinati’s record? We’re blaming Jameis for the Bucs Record.

  42. tmaxcon Says:

    runnerdoc Says:
    March 1st, 2020 at 6:57 pm
    Why not Blame Dalton for Cinncinati’s record? We’re blaming Jameis for the Bucs Record.

    Post like that will get you kicked out of the irrational haters club

  43. #1 Pick QB 2 Cent Brain Says:


    How do you hold a player accountable who didn’t start all 16 games?

    AJ Green misses the year

    Think before you post

  44. BigMacAttack Says:

    I’d draft a QB but not in the first round unless maybe Tua is there for the future. Dalton is a no for me.

  45. BigPoppaBuc Says:

    @Ed… Spot on, man. So many factors in the Winston decision. And I think he’s got too many negative question marks to be the Bucs’ first choice. Reminds me of when they were flirting with Favre and pissed off Jeff Garcia. Arians is worried about the interceptions, Licht is worried about the cash and contract, and the Glazers don’t think he can sell tickets. They’re going to do all they can to make a splash QB signing while threating Winston with the tag or a prove it contract. If I were them I’d sell the farm for Burrow use the cash on current players and depth.

  46. BigMacAttack Says:

    I doubt Jameis will sign for under $25-30 million.

  47. BigMacAttack Says:

    Burrows is going number one and that pick will cost 3 years of number 1’s to acquire. Not worth it for an unproven rookie QB.

  48. tmaxcon Says:

    BigMacAttack Says:
    March 1st, 2020 at 7:15 pm

    I doubt Jameis will sign for under $25-30 million.

    nor should he…. best for both if jameis leaves so he has a chance at the post season and the bucs ownership won’t have to worry about a high scoring offense screwing up their basement title runs. it’s a win win

  49. tmaxcon Says:

    2 Cent Brain

    I commend you for using your real name…. nice!

  50. catcard202 Says:

    It all depends on the “plan”…The thing is, we don’t know what the FO plan is just yet.

    We all know that the DEF FA & Godwin’s extension are priorities this off-season, but QB1 has to be addressed w/ JW3 a FA & less than exciting options on the roster.

    What’s behind door #2 is still an unknown at this point…So, all options must be investigated to insure the club is getting the best chess pieces on a 53man roster.

    Maybe that a ROOK QB & added CAP space for FA…Maybe it’s $26-30M commitment & a savy draft….But it all starts w/ QB1 in the NFL. Until that is settled…The BUCS aren’t going anywhere fast.

  51. BrianBucs Says:

    When Dalton is a major upgrade to what you have now, then you know what you have now really stinks

  52. Pewter power Says:

    Only difference between the two is dalton has proven he can have a season without double digit interceptions and a passer rating over 100 and winston is still saying IF he cuts down his interceptions

    You calling him mr entertainment for all the wrong reasons, its interesting to writers and media not fans looking for wins.

  53. AlteredEgo Say: Your comment is awaiting moderation. Says:

    BigMacAttack Says:
    March 1st, 2020 at 7:15 pm
    I doubt Jameis will sign for under $25-30 million.
    Only if the Bucs are dumb enough! … NO other team in the NFL will pay anything close to 25-30 million…. Jameis is in Mariota’s marketplace and if the Bucs are not signing Jameis, Mariota may sign a better deal than Jameis gets , other than the Bucs

  54. Waterboy Says:

    You have to quit thinking of it as Andy Dalton (or some other journeyman QB) vs Winston. Obviously in an apples to apples comparison Winston is more talented but that’s not the goal/question. The goal is to FIELD THE BEST TEAM POSSIBLE and a lesser talent like Andy Dalton at about 15-17 mil a year allows them to keep key players and potentially add a few more pieces in free agency to field a better TEAM than they would paying Winston 27-30 mil a year. You either have a QB that can carry the team or a QB that needs a lot of pieces around him to have success. Winston can’t carry a team and if you pay him like he can then you can’t also have the pieces around him to be successful (meaning winning not big stats).

    Let me ask you all this, which team would win in a head to head match up.

    The Bucs with Winston at QB @ 27 mil (with no JPP, Suh) vs. the Bucs with Dalton at QB @ 15 mil (with JPP, Suh, Conklin at Tackle, and a solid RB)?

  55. Defense Rules Says:

    tmaxcon … “They are being arrogant publicly and it will blow up in their faces.” Aw come on tmax, you know this is only business. We’re not talking nickels & dimes, we’re talking mega-millions. If anyone deserves a bigger share of the pie, it should be Mike Evans & Chris Godwin. Both of them took a beating last season catching (or attempting to catch) many of Jameis’ throws.

    And besides, the only one who’s acted with ‘arrogance’ in this whole thing has been Jameis. His ‘I be ballin’ statement was the epitome of arrogance. Well, now that I think of it, you’d have to combine that statement with his demand for $30 mil plus for his services going forward. THAT’S ARROGANCE. Still, it’s just business … the entertainment business.

  56. Evo2706 Says:

    Anyone remember how mitch looked against us? I think he had his career game

  57. Anonymous Says:

    The idea of Dalton pains me but I think it is more likely than Brady and more optimistic than Rivers. Given all the BA and JL talk we’re going a different direction than Jameis. We have to do the same as we did the last 5 years – hang on for the ride and hope for the best.

  58. Defense Rules Says:

    Waterboy … For the difference of $12 mil ($27 mil for Jameis versus 15 mil for Dalton) there’s no way you could sign JPP, Suh, Conklin AND a solid RB as you proposed in your last paragraph. You did mention something about ‘apples to apples comparison, didn’t you?

  59. MTM Says:

    Andy Dalton has a lot more years left if the Bucs are looking to sign a get and draft a QB. Dalton is an upgrade over ATM.

  60. Ndog Says:

    The fact that this is even being discussed just shows how little people truly know about football. My goodness you people are embarrassing.

  61. SteveK Says:


    Which QB is more desired? Andy Dalton or Jameis? Not sure I want either, but if I had to choose I’ll take Dalton. Turnover margin is the reason.

  62. 941scott Says:

    its gonna be a crazy free agency…unless its not

  63. Destinjohnny Says:

    Who will pay jameis 30 million???!

  64. DoooshLaRue Says:


    Go back to bed…… JayMiss misses you.

  65. AlteredEgo Says: Your comment is awaiting moderation. Says:

    My money is on Jameis playing for another team and NDog with a new screen name in 2020

  66. Bobby M Says:

    Andy Dalton has been linked to the Pats, Bears and Colts.

    Winston….the Bears?

    Dalton is under contract, Winston not so much. That’s a bit telling on the perception of Winston around the league

  67. tmaxcon Says:

    Just own your hate ladies your absurd rational and attempt at justifying your hatred is very entertaining and appreciated but stop embarrassing yourselves and just OWN THE HATE!!!!!

  68. #1 Pick QB 2 Cent Brain Says:

    Bobby beat me to it

    Dalton is being rumored to multiple teams while Jameis is being rumored to compete with Trubisky…

    I doubt there is a team willing to pay Jameis 25 million or more

  69. T REX Says:

    joe, they both suck. Winston is GARBAGE. You’re an fsu honk so I get it. He’s your last connection to a once proud and winning program that now sucks.

  70. tmaxcon Says:

    D R

    Still, it’s just business … the entertainment business.

    One could argue Sports Drama over Sports Entertainment especially with the bucs….

  71. tmaxcon Says:

    T rex

    Your may new favorite nutjob. Nice job. Takes a special kind of special to earn that ranking

  72. tmaxcon Says:

    Don’t worry Pewter Pelosi your still top 5

  73. Tye Says:

    @Bobby M: back at the 1st of the year there was a post on a Bears site something like
    ‘lets talk Jameis Winston’
    Or something close… In the comment section, the Bears fan base flambe JW… Many rather have Case Keenum or rather keep Trubisky…

  74. Waterboy Says:

    Defense Rules – I agree you can’t sign al 3l of those guys for 12 mil but that’s 12 mil extra that the team would have to spend in addition to what they already have in free cap space. 12 mil divided by those 3 players is the difference in being able to offer each of them an extra 4 mil per year in their contract that’s a significant difference in attracting good players.

  75. Adrnagy Says:

    No doubt I’ll choose jameis. Jameis will have my back. Fighter. Dog.

    I’m really surprise that mike Evans been quiet.

    SteveK Says:
    March 1st, 2020 at 8:33 pm

    Which QB is more desired? Andy Dalton or Jameis? Not sure I want either, but if I had to choose I’ll take Dalton. Turnover margin is the reason.

  76. Chris l Says:

    Uneducated and rude post. When did anyone who wants Winston gone say they want dalton? Completely different and not true. Ira said he would want dalton as a replacement, so that must mean he is an idiot? My goodness how ridiculous these statements and inaccurate statements. Welcome to 2020, sounds like politics with fake news.

  77. Hethrew 30 Says:

    Dalton has won. Winston has not. Dalton takes care of the football. Winston does not. I’d rather have a guy that throws for 4 grand or less that takes care of the football than a guy like Winston. Dalton could probably be pretty effective with these Bucs recieivers. Still, I think there are better options than Dalton. Winston is not one of them.

  78. Defense Rules Says:

    Waterboy … Every penny will count this year for sure. But it’s all doable IF JL is a good steward of the salary Cap. Of course, given his track record for 6 years now I wouldn’t hold my breath.

    Those players who you mentioned (JPP, Suh, Conklin & a solid RB) would probably cost the Bucs in the neighborhood of $40 mil plus this year. When I looked at who we’ve already got under contract and ‘filled in the blanks’ for players we’ll need to complete our roster, I come to the conclusion that it’ll be incredibly tight IF we do all the right things. Like I said though, I’m not holding my breath on that one. Poor management is the primary reason IMO that ‘we’re the Bucs’ … losing records & all.

  79. Hethrew 30 Says:

    Funny how all the chumps yack about how good BA is and how he can fix Winston and want Winston back a second year in the BA system…just holding on to that Winston hope….

    But what the chumps don’t get is when the guy who owns the system says it’s time to move on, now you don’t want to believe him.

  80. tmaxcon Says:

    Hethrew 30

    The only chumps are those who buy into BA and his BS

  81. tmaxcon Says:

    Hethrew 30

    He’s won lol wow your standards of winner is laughable i bet you think Chelsea Clinton is a super model….

  82. Defense Rules Says:

    @Adrnagy … “Which QB is more desired? Andy Dalton or Jameis? Not sure I want either, but if I had to choose I’ll take Dalton. Turnover margin is the reason.”

    Jameis averaged 14.5 INTs per season up until last year, his 1st season in BA’s ‘Bombs Away’ offense. Dalton has averaged 13.1 INTs per season over his 9-year career with the Bengals, BUT … he averaged 16.5 INTs per season for HIS first 4 seasons, 2 MORE than Jameis did during HIS first 4 seasons. Need to compare apples-to-apples. We all know how Jameis did in HIS 1st year in BA’s offense, but none of us have any idea how a QB like Dalton would do in HIS 1st year in BA’s offense.

    We do know however that Carson Palmer averaged 14.5 INTs per season in his 1st 9 seasons BEFORE BA (same as Jameis Before-BA interestingly), but that his INTs ballooned to 22 INTs in 2013 (almost 1.4 INTs/game), HIS first season with BA. In his next 4 years with BA, his INTs dropped way down to 35 INTs in 44 games (0.8 INTs/game). Interestingly in 2 of those 4 years Arizona’s running game was considerably worse than the Bucs 2019 run game. I’m thinking that BOTH Palmer AND BA adjusted the passing game.

    Folks also need to keep in mind that it was Byron Leftwich calling the shots for the Bucs, NOT Bruce Arians (who did make the calls in 2013-2017 with the Cards). And also keep in mind that it was essentially BL’s FIRST full year behind the wheel in BA’s Maserati. I suspect BL had his hands full keeping it on the track at times.

  83. tmaxcon Says:

    Defense Rules

    Given BAs actually results I’m fairly certain your confusing that Maserati with a Ford Pinto…. rember BA has never won or built anything on his own. The legend of BA has surpassed his actual accomplishments very similar to the the way that ignorant sloth dungy the clowns failed tenure is considered glory years…

  84. HomerSimpsonRocks Says:

    I can’t read any more Joe the Lesser articles. I’m here for the comments. I’ve stopped listening to Ira’s podcast for the same reason, and I love hearing Ira talk. Just remember: this is the same guy who thought Johnny Manziel was going to be a fantastic NFL QB.

  85. Cobraboy Says:

    Actually, Dalton has thrown for 33 TD’s in a season, and averages 13 picks a year. He’s had 16 fumbles in his career.

    Additionally, his 2020 cap number is $17.7.

    IMO, Dalton would make a decent “bridge” QB if the Bucs chose a “developmental” QB in the draft.

    He’s been a decent QB on a generally bad team and has been to five post seasons and three Pro Bowls.

    He’s not the second coming of Great, but he’d be a hell of a lot more dependable, not to mention less of an immature dumbass, than Winston. Not any more upside than Winston, but a fraction of the downside…and none of the idiot.

  86. EEK Says:

    Well stated cobra
    I would add Dalton is a cheaper and more reliable backup than Winston as well.
    Can add Dalton and keep Gabbert and move up to draft a new QB1 – or acquire a legit QB1 in FA.
    I do think that the toxic aspect to Winston will best be seen once he’s gone.

  87. Adrnagy Says:

    Defense. You right. Being right now. Jameis has to be the option. Minimum 3-5 games to start next season. Also jameis and dalton age difference is what 5-6 yrs.
    I’m surprise jameis hasn’t said anything. Mostly how Bruce’s big mouth and licht have talked.

  88. Joe Says:

    When did anyone who wants Winston gone say they want dalton?

    You don’t read the comments on JoeBucsFan very often, eh? 🙂

  89. donuts Says:

    I read the tea leaves like this…..the Bears are interested in Dalton and it would cost them a pick but they are not interested publicly in Winston who is free agent with no draft pick required.

    Strong Winston marketplace. lol Speaks volumes to me what NFL thinks

  90. Clean House Says:

    I really dislike our coach and GM- They walk around publicly with this smug attitude and they both suck. Never seen anything like it.

    I hope Winston gives these guys the finger

  91. SteveK Says:

    I hope the Bucs win, and don’t care who the QB is. FSU Honks going to Honk, Honk for their QB- a loser and undeserving starter.

  92. Cobraboy Says:

    Dalton reminds me in many ways of Brad Johnson.

    Johnson was not a spectacular QB. He didn’t have to be. He had decent weapons around him, and he rarely made dumb-ass mistakes.

    The number of QBs in NFL history a team can build around for an entire career is tiny. And Winston is not one of them.

    The Buc offense in 2019 with half the turnovers at QB and nine 1/15th the pic-6’s may have won several more games and even made the playoffs.

    Winston certainly is entertaining. But he is like a good looking bi-polar girlfriend: she’s easy on the eyes, there is great joy and hot times in the sack, but eventually, her craziness will cause problems, the crazy overwhelming the good times and you’ll feel better and breathe a sigh of relief when she’s gone…

    This team can do better with a smarter, more consistent QB that is more concerned about winning and being a field general, than “ballin'”.

  93. Cobraboy Says:

    ^^^”none”, not “nine”^^^

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  96. Cobraboy Says:

    tmaxcon is the JBF Resident Idiot.

  97. Rod Munch Says:

    Lots of triggered idiots around here who have never accepted Mike Glennon leaving and are still throwing a fit about it. They’re sad, sad people.