Are Superstar Comparisons Hurting Jameis With Bruce Arians?
March 3rd, 2020
Very interesting commentary was delivered by Buccaneers quarterbacks coach Clyde Christensen last week.
Christensen made his way to Radio Row at the NFL Scouting Combine and in addition to talking to Joe, Christensen talked to the local Indiana radio station next to Joe’s setup.
One question Christensen was hit with was about going from working with Peyton Manning and Andrew Luck to lesser talents like Ryan Tannehill and America’s Quarterback, Jameis Winston.
There’s a big difference, explained Christensen, noting that Manning and Luck are on an elite mental plane because they process information so quickly. Christensen offered an example and said guys not named Manning and Luck often get real-time info via their headsets and “it would paralyze them.”
For those quarterbacks, without mentioning Jameis by name, Christensen said it’s often better to not let them know what’s coming when it’s a super-late adjustment.
Coaching Manning and Luck, and then going to Tannehill and Jameis, can affect a coach, he added.
“I think you do get a false sense [of your coaching ability], you almost have to re-learn what do I really believe in because with Peyton you could do anything and he makes it work,” Christensen said.
“…You can get lulled to sleep and think you’re a better coach than you are. That’s part of this thing. ‘What can my guy do? What can our guy do? How do we use him successfully and plug him into the thing?’ And so, yeah, absolutely. Some guys never can. They just say, ‘Hey, here’s what I do.'”
This made Joe wonder whether part of Bruce Arians’ struggles with Jameis’ 30 interceptions have something to do with the superstar list of quarterbacks he’s coached in past years.
March 3rd, 2020 at 9:36 am
So now it’s Jameis can’t think fast? Jameis is dumb?
Maybe the problem is these coaches don’t know how to adjust. Maybe they can’t coach.
March 3rd, 2020 at 9:37 am
To summarize, “Winston is not elite in his mental processing before or after the snap.”
March 3rd, 2020 at 9:38 am
Definitely creates an expectation of other former first round QBs he’s worked with.
Jameis oozes with talent, but he also is too mistake-prone to be our starter.
This line of thought makes sense, and the QB Whisperer has to be extra raw on this feeling due to his resume, coaching style, and pride.
I wonder how much the last press conference by Jameis hurt?
March 3rd, 2020 at 9:40 am
Let’s not make this a BA problem.
JayMiss was very proficient at turning the ball over well before BA got here.
Somethings can never be fixed and JayMiss is one of those things.
Peace, out
March 3rd, 2020 at 9:40 am
Mod HairKen,
Check out Joe’s super bowl coverage, props to Joe, from terry bradshaw. He said exactly this. Jameis doesn’t go through reads, or give up on them quick enough and guys are there, and as an example he snapped his fingers to demonstrate the need to switch progression and when off by a tick guys get picked.
March 3rd, 2020 at 9:40 am
Arians can coach, as per his resume.
Jameis can’t get out of his own way.
March 3rd, 2020 at 9:43 am
WinSTUNNED is slow to process. What a revelation!! Another 2 weeks and this chapter of Bucs history should be over!
March 3rd, 2020 at 9:45 am
Didn’t that JulyJoe1of1 guy tell us all how brilliant Winston was? A football savant? A 4.0 GPA in high school and an academic scholarship offer to Stanford? And of course the “Manning had 100 interceptions his first 5 years!” bleating when trying to argue that Jameis really wasn’t that bad at turning the ball over? But now the comparison to true “elite” QB’s is now somehow hurting poor Winston?
March 3rd, 2020 at 9:45 am
nawl….
this is just ANOTHER excuse….
PM, AL and JW were all drafted #1 overall…..
PM and AL are just flat out better than JW…they were in college and they’ll still be better than JW when its all said and done….
get teddy!!!!!
GO BUCS!!!!!
March 3rd, 2020 at 9:46 am
It’s just laughable. First some dimwit Winston nuthugger writes a bogus book and rushes it out before season start to portray Winston as something he’s not. The Bucs drafted him to be something that he can’t live up to, on or off the field–again, portraying him to be something he’s not. In a last ditch effort to save face they bring in BA to save him, and he can’t because a star QB is something he’s not. Winston is a career backup For starters, stop asking the nuthuggers like this one Joe and pay attention to those who know football, and that fact will finally strike home. Next, stop comparing this clown to players who have actually won in the NFL. Third, listen to Arians…when he seems to doubt Winston, understand Winston is not all that.
March 3rd, 2020 at 9:49 am
NPRSageBoy. Says:
March 3rd, 2020 at 9:40 am
Let’s not make this a BA problem.
JayMiss was very proficient at turning the ball over well before BA got here.
BINGO!!!!!
JW had INTs problems coming out of college….lol….didnt really matter because he was playing on a team full of 5* players along with being in a weak conference….easy to win a game with 2INTs vs wake forest…or NCstate….or duke….lol….aint happening in the NFL…..
GO BUCS!!!!
March 3rd, 2020 at 9:51 am
There is a reason Winston can’t call audibles. And it isn’t because he is too smart. I have always believed that Winston’s main issues are mental not physical and I don’t think that will ever improve unfortunately.
March 3rd, 2020 at 9:51 am
It’d be one thing if he didn’t struggle with turnovers historically but that’s been the case and something he just simply hasn’t overcome.
It’d be one thing if he was improving as the year went on, or the team being bad was an excuse, but he threw the vast majority of his interceptions at home and ended the year with 10 in 4 games despite the defense playing well and despite not playing elite defenses and it cost us a winning record.
Go watch Teddy Bridgewater’s highlights vs us if you want to see if he can throw a deep ball. He hits Michael Thomas perfectly in stride the 3rd play for ~35 yards.
It’s not like Jameis was throwing 50 yard laser bombs. Most of his passes were intermediate like many of the highlights I’m watching. And his deep balls were typically 30-40 yard type bombs max.
March 3rd, 2020 at 9:54 am
book smarts and instincts are completely different.
crabby may have had a good GPA (prolly padded like a mofo), but he has zero instincts OR ability to read a D and find the weak spot.
anybody but ATM
March 3rd, 2020 at 9:56 am
Great post LordCorn!
March 3rd, 2020 at 9:59 am
In just the game vs us, Bridgewater had a 40 air yard completion / 35 air yard completion / 30 air yard completion / 20 air yard completion.
So he can do it.
He definitely doesn’t have the same zip as Jameis and wouldn’t be able to pull off some of the intermediate laser type throws in traffic that he makes, but those are the same types of plays/reasons he throws a lot of interceptions – in the intermediate area of the field because he thinks he can force it in there.
March 3rd, 2020 at 10:02 am
“Are Superstar Comparisons Hurting Jameis With Bruce Arians?” Nah! Jameis is hurting Jameis.
March 3rd, 2020 at 10:05 am
Like I posted in another thread: “Million $$$ arm, Dollar Store $9.99 brain.”
March 3rd, 2020 at 10:08 am
It would be nice to have a QB that is able to call an audible and properly read a defense. I don’t care how strong your arm is if your constantly throwing to the wrong team.
March 3rd, 2020 at 10:10 am
What hurts JW are inaccurate throws, mistakes off the field and a poor OL. Comparisons aren’t throwing pick 6s, JW is.
March 3rd, 2020 at 10:14 am
Cornelius
Against everyone else he did have a completion that traveled more than 12 yards in the air! Against that defense at the point everyone lit the Bucs up! Not impressed!
March 3rd, 2020 at 10:18 am
Damn it’s so annoying reading you get dumber by the day when it comes to Winston. You wrote the article and posted the comment and completely overlooked it.
“Manning and Luck are on an elite mental plane because they process information so quickly.”
That statement says it all and it’s why people think the o line sucks because he sees everything so damn late. Basically clyde is telling you all he’ll never have Andrew luck like production or win and loss record, he just doesnt process information quickly enough and that’s not 30 million a year guy.
It is not talent that separates manning and luck from Winston it’s the most important the mental side, not every quarterback great had a rocket arm. I’m out on winston but would love to see what he’d do in year two just for the hell of it but not without a tennessee titans type backup plan and that ain’t Blaine gabbert
March 3rd, 2020 at 10:19 am
Jameis is a Superstar…and he has won at every level. He will get there
March 3rd, 2020 at 10:20 am
Andrew Luck didn’t win a thing with all his processing abilities
March 3rd, 2020 at 10:28 am
Luck is/was better. Went to playoffs. Better turnover margin.
Wake up and smell the turnovers.
Jameis is going bye bye from the Bucs and walking the plank.
Arrghhh! 🏴☠️ it’s a Bucs life!
March 3rd, 2020 at 10:33 am
Ok, so we need to coddle Winston because he’s stupid. Great.
March 3rd, 2020 at 10:35 am
Ryan Tannehill will be available for all you unloyal fans.
Titans are prepare or should I say mike vrabel are signing Tom Brady and Antonia brown.
The patriots “met” with Justin gerber. Most likely trade up for him and sign some like Mariota or dalton for one year.
Bears. Bengals need a back up. Like Keenum.
Colts will add rivers
Chargers / dolphins and teddy are in love.
Bucs will be left with nothing since Steve k says Arians Resume speaks for it self”
Gruden will sign Winston. Trade carr to browns for Odell jr
March 3rd, 2020 at 10:36 am
What hurt Jameis in the eyes of Arians were those last two games.
Jameis looked like he was starting to get it, then he fell off the bandwagon.
We probably didn’t hear from Arians for a while because he was in transcendental meditation to try and get his blood pressure under control.
I don’t think Arians could live through another monumental collapse and Jameis will do it again.
March 3rd, 2020 at 10:38 am
Craig,
Agree. We’d see another year of early losing, meaningless winning, and the sharing the bed the last two weeks.
We should have been 9-7, but the last two weeks demonstrated that we need a new QB.
March 3rd, 2020 at 10:48 am
Time for a change, period.
March 3rd, 2020 at 10:49 am
Jameis #1 fan
Who were you before ?
At least give us a hint besides going to FSU
Is that you webster ?
Peeps be scared
March 3rd, 2020 at 10:50 am
I see Winston as comparing to Nick Foles or Derrick Anderson. He’d be great coming off the bench for a few games, but long stays as a starter spell doom.
March 3rd, 2020 at 10:52 am
RElax folks, JW will not be back with the Bucs, too many QB’s and not enough chairs when the music stops. BA is making the decision and I trust him to bring in the right QB or draft/vet combo and let’s move on, it ain’t JW, ATM, 30 million dollar man!
March 3rd, 2020 at 10:55 am
Jameis can do everything Mahomes does and is almost the same age if you subtract his interceptions.
March 3rd, 2020 at 10:56 am
@ 541
I agree. Winston would be a solid backup. If your down by 14 or more put in Winston and just let him sling it. Who cares if he throws three picks if your already down by a few touchdowns…
March 3rd, 2020 at 10:57 am
It’s the same thing every season and offseason. Beginning of season there is excitement. This is the year jameis puts it all together and defense plays better. Than by week six we are 2-4 jameis has cost us 3 games every normal fan is screaming for the bucs to bench him to save our season. The jameis lovers are blaming it on the defense. Then he has a great 3-4 game stretch gets us close to back to 500 ball. We are stupidly talking about wildcard if we win out. The defense starts playing better jameis goes on a 3 game horrible stretch to close the season with a losing record. But then you see his final stats and they say look at all those yards. Then offseason we hear this is going to be the year 2 in offense have to resign him. It’s like some fans forget how many times we had to just shake our head during the season. Because it became comical with the pick sixes the first drive picks. And then all The Who the heck was that to. He threw it right to a linebacker. Wow he misses that wide open 3rd down guy or wide open touchdown. How many times a season do we see the game announcers show a replay of a guy running wide open with his hand up and jameis doesn’t see him. Rinse wash repeat. I’m over it it’s been 5 years get a grip he is who he is a turnover prone average qb. He is Ryan Fitzpatrick a guy that gets signed two year contracts by new team each time he is a free agent. Steps in a couple games puts up some huge numbers. Then has two horrible 4 pick games. But another team will need him as a bridge the following season.
March 3rd, 2020 at 10:58 am
TC
Please stop with the heavy drug use while posting
Jameis is nothing like Mahommes
Thats not even laughable its so off
Let me guess. You went to FSU ?
March 3rd, 2020 at 11:00 am
Tc says that is like saying Ronald Jones can do everything Saquon Barkley can do if you minus the yards per carry. Carl nassib can do everything Barrett can do if you minus the sacks. Demar dotson can do everything Tunsil can do if you minus the penalties or sacks allowed. And lastly licht can do everything Lynch can do if you minus the draft picks.
March 3rd, 2020 at 11:03 am
2019- The QB whisperer will help Jameis
2020- now it’s Arians fault for being a success with smarter qbs
This fanbase is fu$&/@!! Morons
March 3rd, 2020 at 11:05 am
@Eric
Go look up the game where the Saints were @ Chicago – a top 5 defense. 23/38 281 yards 2 TDs 0 INT
Watching the highlights it’s mostly short to intermediate throws but there’s at least 3-4 20-25 yard intermediate darts he throws for nice chunk gains.
Then top of 3rd quarter he hits Ginn for a big TD on a ball that went 45 yards in the air.
Later in the 4th while rolling to his left he throws across his body 30 air yards over 2 defenders to hit Michael Thomas.
He also had multiple scrambles for 1st downs / shows some decent pocket awareness and mobility / game awareness.
You can see the zip isn’t on the ball the same but the placement is great
March 3rd, 2020 at 11:08 am
The one person holding back the Bucs is Jason licht. Draft after draft. Now he brought Bruce to screw things even more. Yes the coach who said our running game was good the defense was good. Secondary fixed. What else needs to happen to get back to square 1. One more year ?
All we hear is a big mouth coach sitting on a golf cart and delegating everything to assistant coaches. Oh and health concerns by everyone.
March 3rd, 2020 at 11:16 am
#1 run defense
5th in takeaways
Played well last eight games as a defense
Franchise record setter in sacks
The team was alright. The QB is not.
Wake up, Adrnagy, and smell the turnovers!
March 3rd, 2020 at 11:18 am
is Johnny Manziel still available?
March 3rd, 2020 at 11:18 am
But wait: He was supposedly accepted into Stanford. HA HA HA. Like I have always said: this fool is as dumb as a bag of Alabama Hammers
March 3rd, 2020 at 11:20 am
Hold on now. This guy was accepted into Stanford. HA HA HA…NOPE. Like I have always said: He is as dumb as a bag of Alabama Hammers.
March 3rd, 2020 at 11:20 am
Jason Licht and Bruce Arians is a recipe for continued losing in the den of depression
March 3rd, 2020 at 11:22 am
Robert and Lord Cornhole: You clowns still banging out dumb arse comments on this site. It must suck to be wrong all the time. Well. I guess you know how Pelosi, Cry’n Schmuck, and Pee Wee Schiff feels now.
March 3rd, 2020 at 11:22 am
SteveK it don’t matter your 6 game defense. All playoff qb had 1-2-3 int every game. Turnovers are part of the game. Our defense was good for 6 games. I think your stuck in wonder land the last 6games. You need to listen… 16 games is what you need to evaluate. Not 6 games. Also none of your #1 run stop defense is in contract.
And it doesn’t look like it will be
League sources told ESPN that Barrett’s agent Drew Rosenhaus isn’t giving any type of discount to the Bucs despite Barrett making it clear Tampa Bay is where he wants to be, and all signs are pointing toward the franchise tag, which would keep Barrett there another year.
March 3rd, 2020 at 11:23 am
@ADRnagy
I’d say it’s the Glazers ultimately. They hired Rockstar Dom who was one of the worst GM’s in the league and basically netted like 2-3 decent players in 5 drafts.
THey then hired a head coach before the GM and gave Lovie personnel power which was just a bad organizational approach from the get-go. Then they are part of a coup to keep Koetter and promote him to HC. I’m sure Licht was cool with that and Smitty but I ultimately would imagine the Glazer boys were pulling those triggers.
Even with BA, i feel like Licht was just a selling point. It might be the first time there is actually cohesion between the coaching staff & scouting department/GM, which I’d blame on the owners 100%.
March 3rd, 2020 at 11:24 am
So wake up Stevenk to reality. Jameis is the answer.
March 3rd, 2020 at 11:25 am
“Teddy can’t throw the long ball!”…..Well, if that’s the argument then Jameis can’t stop turning the ball over. One statement is backed by fact.
The funny part to me is that if Jameis was THEE GUY, we wouldn’t be having these conversations. It wouldn’t even be an issue, so…
March 3rd, 2020 at 11:26 am
Jameis was at One Buc yesterday for the first time in a longgg time, and Bucco Bruce tried act nice with him and Jameis wasn’t having it. He is seeing through the Licht and Bucco Bruce fakeness.
March 3rd, 2020 at 11:27 am
Just like shaq … jameis too. One more year. And lord Cornelius. Possibly. But glazers just sign checks. Yeah they will get in your ears but how can you explain drafting every year kickers and cb and still can show nothing. Our cb and defense lost at least 2-3 games. Kicker 1-2 game. And licht or Bruce haven’t owned up to that but preach accountability.
March 3rd, 2020 at 11:30 am
Sorry Buddy…Jameis is a fake excuse for a NFL franchise QB. And seems every GM in the league agrees with it.
March 3rd, 2020 at 11:33 am
Was up .
March 3rd, 2020 at 11:34 am
Adrnagy
Licht has sucked I’m not going to argue against that.
Most Bucs fans on here for years have wanted to build from the lines out and he’s done the opposite. Dom did the same thing. Barely investing any premium picks into premium positions or wiffing hard when we did
March 3rd, 2020 at 11:35 am
No Joe, it is because he threw 30 feeling interceptions and 7 pick six’s. Blame the kicker, blame the D, blame space aliens those int’s cost games.
Your Jameis lust is old. You are an appologist not objective as you claim.
March 3rd, 2020 at 11:37 am
Todd Says:
March 3rd, 2020 at 9:37 am
To summarize, “Winston is not elite in his mental processing before or after the snap.”
👍 This goes back to what I wrote a few days ago. This plays a role in offensive line adjustments, the running game, route tree adjustments pre-snap, and fully grasping coverages and moving defenses. It’s not because he doesn’t work hard, it’s what makes the elite primo.
March 3rd, 2020 at 11:37 am
How much longer before this is over?
March 3rd, 2020 at 11:38 am
Payton had a 100 interceptions as well . And he had 2 hall of fame runningbacks. But no one never bring that up about Payton Manning first 5 years . He had a waaaaay better team than Jamies and Jamies threw more touchdowns than Payton and had less turnovers . Jamies still has a 121 touchdown passes that no one talks about in the national media or this fanbase . We have been ranked at top in offense with no running game facts………
March 3rd, 2020 at 11:40 am
Before some of my fellow fans get too carried away ask yourself “Why the Bucs have not announced we are moving on?”
If BA was done with Winston why does he say “only 20 ints were fault” when he could just say 30 int is just too much and we should move on?
Quick answer is BA and Bucs have not parted ways and probably won’t.
March 3rd, 2020 at 11:42 am
@ texbuc
It’s called hedging your bets. Winston is the backup plan if we are not able to land Brady or Bridgewater or Rivers.
March 3rd, 2020 at 11:47 am
“NPRSageBoy. Says:
March 3rd, 2020 at 9:40 am
Let’s not make this a BA problem.
JayMiss was very proficient at turning the ball over well before BA got here.
Somethings can never be fixed and JayMiss is one of those things.
Peace, out”
Winston turned the ball over in college, drove Jimbo crazy, it’s difficult to turn it over in college. Luckily, you can get away with it in college and overcome easier. Nothing has changed, he’s the same player. I just don’t understand why some of these fans still think it’s coaching, RBs, or TE’s. Baffling.
March 3rd, 2020 at 11:52 am
I don’t know why anyone is surprised by this. No one thinks Winston is elite (yet).
March 3rd, 2020 at 11:52 am
All these free agent QBs have warts or their teams would never let them go
March 3rd, 2020 at 11:54 am
If they announce a deal with Rivers, then they are as much as saying they are drafting a QB.
Put the tag on Winston, and it will keep teams guessing. Do nothing, and it keeps them guessing.
Seeing as how this is the misdirection season, Arians casting doubts on Jameis is probably a clue that he wants to keep him.
March 3rd, 2020 at 11:57 am
Jameis and the Bucs would be in the playoff’s if:
1. The short route pass to the flat – rip it out of the playbook
2. The intermediate “curl” in, make sure the receivers know to it’s not a curl by a 90-degree cut
3. Establish an average run game so the LB’s cannot drop into coverage on the snap because they have no fear of the RB’s
March 3rd, 2020 at 11:57 am
From PFT: “Patriots, Tom Brady not yet destined for divorce”
Called it more than a month ago. I won’t even call out a certain person who claims my predictions are always off.
Smoke and mirrors.
March 3rd, 2020 at 12:10 pm
@Oneilbucs
Jameis first 5 seasons 121 TD passes
Manning first 5 seasons 138 TD passes
In Jameis’s words “you better check yo sheet!”
Stop comparing the dumbest qb in the league to a hall of Famer it’s just silly
March 3rd, 2020 at 12:23 pm
Ballin! Beta check ya sheet
March 3rd, 2020 at 12:24 pm
Wow…lots of butt hurt in here.
March 3rd, 2020 at 12:38 pm
BA has had success with every QB he has coached. Winston has never had serious success regardless of who the coach is. Winston has zero self awareness of what his real problems are. That’s why they are never addressed. Winston is who we thought he is. Move on Glazers….
March 3rd, 2020 at 1:11 pm
Superstar comparisons aren’t hurting Jay-Miss with Bruce Arians. Turning it over 35 times during the season and being directly responsible for 112 points is hurting Jay-Miss with Bruce Arians.
March 3rd, 2020 at 1:11 pm
Never had success? Lol He is a heisman trophy winner drafted to the sorriest team in the league. Given 3 Head Coaches in 5 years….Set the league on fire in his 1st year in the “no risk it no biscuit” offense …yall sleep
March 3rd, 2020 at 1:16 pm
LC
PREACH!!!!
GO BUCS!!!!!
March 3rd, 2020 at 1:18 pm
If the fans don’t realize that #3 is responsible for 90% of the offense then they aren’t watching the game.Get a running game and you achieve balance.Doug Martin was the last good back we’ve had.
March 3rd, 2020 at 1:19 pm
1 pick you for got about Payton Manning 100 interceptions . Lol lol with his 2 hall of fame runningbacks lol lol .
March 3rd, 2020 at 1:23 pm
And he’s a hall of Famer because they gave him chance to develop and made up excuses his interceptions and not to mention he’s a white quarterback that’s loved by the national media remember that aslo . Lol lol …..
March 3rd, 2020 at 1:29 pm
If we can’t find a qb next season and lose then we get Trevor Lawrence. Make winstunned walk the plank and see what happens.
March 3rd, 2020 at 1:30 pm
Carson Palmer was not a superstar in Cincinnati
March 3rd, 2020 at 1:32 pm
All of these Bruce quotes are calculated moves. Everything he said has been very well thought out………This is Bruce wispering to Winston. Now will Jameis hear him? We shall find out in a week or two.
March 3rd, 2020 at 1:35 pm
Buc nation remember Doug Williams when let go (super bowl),Steve Younge (super bowl) ,Trent Differ(super bowl) and Bruce Arians genius quarterback coach zero. Now letting Jamies go y’all will regret it.
March 3rd, 2020 at 1:47 pm
@oneil
I’m just correcting you for lying that Jameis had more TDs than Manning
Manning also started his career in the era where you could still play Db and hassle the wrs. Jameis is playing in a different league. When the league average INT rate is low Jameis doubles it
The rules are favoring offense and passing numbers yet Jameis can’t or won’t protect the ball
He’s just not a smart player who is accurate
Other QBs have just as productive run games and don’t turn it over like Jameis
March 3rd, 2020 at 1:56 pm
I guess the NFL should just toss the Wonderlic aside, because JW3’s score was only 1 point different than Peyton Manning…..& evidently that 1 point MUST be the difference between IBM Processing Genius vs BoTard Knuckledragger….As per the comments in this thread.
March 3rd, 2020 at 2:04 pm
charter member of the 30 30 club …… hmmmmm ….. mental errors ….. hmmmm ….what should we do ? daaa !!!
March 3rd, 2020 at 2:04 pm
Everyone puts on Winston when fact its coaching Lovie darfted him cause he knew what to do Doug Martin 1500 Jamies 29 TDs 15 Int No matter who u put under center or on the field gotta know what to do with them D Freeman in Atl drafted in first round not cause of combine numbers buy casue when Winston threw Int jumbo turn and handed ball of same as lovie same 7-9 record just with a better defense New run football noy cause in bill we trust call Bill will adjust we trust
March 3rd, 2020 at 2:07 pm
fitz had the highest “wonderlic score”….lol…..
so yeah, throw it out!!!!
GO BUCS!!!!!
March 3rd, 2020 at 2:13 pm
I don’t believe it Joe. THAT’S your takeaway? … “This made Joe wonder whether part of Bruce Arians’ struggles with Jameis’ 30 interceptions have something to do with the superstar list of quarterbacks he’s coached in past years.” Wow, just wow.
I kinda think that BA has been around long enough to figure out that each QB has different skillsets, and that each processes real-time information differently.
I think of all the times in the past when you’ve compared Jameis to some of the all-time greats, INCLUDING Manning & Luck. Now based on something that Clyde says, you throw Jameis under the bus as being a ‘lesser talent’ in the lineage of Ryan Tannehill? My takeaway from that comparison is that Ndog won’t be able to sleep tonight. I can hear him growling now.
March 3rd, 2020 at 3:15 pm
LordCornelius Says:
Go watch every QB highlights against the Bucs before the cut VHJGIII they all looked great! Now go look at his other for starts and tell me why are you truly so excited!
March 3rd, 2020 at 3:16 pm
Oh look…Jameis just threw another pick 6
March 3rd, 2020 at 3:23 pm
T Rex
Hell at least he will throw the ball hell if you think ME and CW going to be happy catching 8 yard slants you better think again!
March 3rd, 2020 at 3:32 pm
eric Says:
March 3rd, 2020 at 3:23 pm
T Rex
Hell at least he will throw the ball hell if you think ME and CW going to be happy catching 8 yard slants you better think again!
they sure will be happy!!!!!….8yards a clip keeps the chains moving…..ME13(and others) want to win….he wants to play in the playoffs….at this point, he could care less about yards and stats….
GO BUCS!!!!!!
March 3rd, 2020 at 3:34 pm
Exactly, 813!
Pretty, style points don’t win games.
And, a disregard for turnovers will keep you from the playoffs.
Go Bucs!
March 3rd, 2020 at 3:55 pm
Attention Winston Knob Gobblers!
Repent! The end is near!
March 3rd, 2020 at 3:59 pm
Adrnagy,
“You’re only as good as your last at bat.”
– Theodore “Splinter” Williams
– the last MLB player to bat .400 in a season, and gave up years of his prime to serve in WWII
Jameis finished the worst way possible and the best way possible. It saved us the pain and anguish of being stuck with him for another contract. He played himself out of consideration for another contract.
March 3rd, 2020 at 4:13 pm
so the tough guy poster are out in full force chew on these cojones as bad as Winston “played” it was 3 games that the bucs lost that would have made this team 10-6. NYG kicker, Tenn Refs, and ATL final game Kicker so go change your tampon ladies but again he is the only one playing so it all on him! I know a bunch of you clowns were Pee Wee league all stars your dad coached the team gave you ball forty times a games so your mommy could be so proud! The rest of you I bet played the flute or the tuba but all of sudden you are now NFL experts go back to your miserable lives bus boys, shelf stockers and school janitors we appreciate you guys also! Go Bucs!
March 3rd, 2020 at 4:20 pm
^ insults and excuses
Symptoms of the #Turnover Blind.
Funny stuff! When stats, wins/losses, and historical data are debated to demonstrate why Jameis is not getting a second contract, Apologists get triggered and revert to insults.
It’s like they are first fans of Jameis/FSU and then the Bucs. Funny stuff.
March 3rd, 2020 at 4:46 pm
This article is nonsense, I have never heard anyone ever complain about Winston’s football knowledge, quite the contrary actually.
March 3rd, 2020 at 5:01 pm
Even Tampa Radio is starting Jamies wont return and a grim job market for him
HOW CAN THAT BE………
Joe said we cant win without him. Joe never said that. –Joe
JAMIES IS A HOF QB —-according to NFOG
Interesting to say the least
March 3rd, 2020 at 5:02 pm
@ eric, head Winston knob gobbler, you mad bro?
LOSER! I’ll help you pack…you can get lost with Jameis. LOSER.
March 3rd, 2020 at 5:05 pm
I’m going to root for this team no matter who’s under center. That’s just the way it is for me. The Bucs are my team. Until the end. If they bring Jameis back, I’m going to root like hell for Jameis and I sincerely hope he does a great job and that we make it to the playoffs.
But let’s be real. Do I *think* he should be back? Please. No.
It’s clear to anybody not wearing garnet and gold panties that our current quarterback is not an effective quick decision maker on the field and cannot be trusted to make good decisions under pressure.
For all the lame “reporting” that goes on at this here website (not you Ira), Joe’s managed to really snag a nugget here with his eavesdropping on Christensen. Here is a coach throwing his quarterback under the bus. And caught on tape doing it. It’s worth mentioning that he’s also throwing his head coach under the bus. Go back and read what he said. Arians needs to check himself. He needs to meet Winston where he’s at rather than trying to meet Winston up on the top of the mountain where Peyton Manning was at. Winston cannot climb that high. Clearly.
I don’t think Arians is capable of doing that at this point in his career. I think Winston *could* win with the Bucs — he’s so close! — *if* his head coach could change his approach — but it’s clear now that Arians cannot or will not. His prerogative, too!
Because of that, I think Bridgewater or Carr is going to end up coming in and we’re going to roll with them, and let’s just get on board supporting the TEAM instead of one very flawed player. Support. The. TEAM.
Winston will be awesome as a backup for somebody else. He is about to become the new Fitzmagic, people. Make no mistake. 3 fantastic games a year, and a whole hell of a lot of head-scratching all the rest of the time.
GO BUCS!!!
March 3rd, 2020 at 5:12 pm
With Reggie Wayne, Marvin Harrison, Dallas Clark, and Edgerrin James “you can do whatever you want.”
Corrected that for him.
If Jameis won 1 Super Bowl, in his prime, with that talent, id be GREATLY disappointed.
Some guys just don’t know what Jameis is capable of. Elway was the same until Terrell Davis carried the load for Denver and gave Elway some room to operate.
March 3rd, 2020 at 5:13 pm
Yes erica three wins would have made a difference. And that’s exactually why there’s big questions about Winston. Three times this year he had the ball in his hands with a chance to go on a game winning drive and he crumbled and threw a pick 6 instead.
QB play like that is not how you get to the playoffs. Heck I’ll spot you the refs and the kicker game………Let’s just go ahead and flip those into wins for arguments sake.
Do you know what that means? It means we are fighting for our playoff lives against the Texans. Now you tell me what happened.
Yes there are other spots on this team that need to be addressed. And none of them take away the fact that Will ston failed to meet expectations.
March 3rd, 2020 at 5:14 pm
You sound like the MAD ONE, t-rex. Lmao!!
Truth hurt?
With 6 STRAIGHT GAMES AWAY FROM HOME.
NOBODY else would have won 8 games. Not Tom Brady. Not Joe Burrow. Not Andy Dalton. David Carr. Lmao!!! Understand now??
March 3rd, 2020 at 5:18 pm
And I am a Winston fan and supporter. But how dare you people come on here acting like pointing out a bad game from a kicker or bad officiating absolves mistakes from the QB.
The kicker has nothing to do with the Winston debate. Each are serperate issues.
Fans have always said they just want a QB who can win. Winston choked this year on three potential game winning drives. He couldn’t deliver the wins fans want. I’m sorry of you don’t think 3 games is a big deal but I got news for you…….in a 16 game season 3 games is a mountain. Maybe go back to elemantery level math!!
GO BUCS!!!!
March 3rd, 2020 at 5:21 pm
If I’m defensive backs
Isaiah Oliver Blidi Wreh-Wilson Jamar Taylor Kendall Sheffield Jordan Miller Damontae Kazee Kemal Ishmael Jamal Carter Ricardo Allen Sharrod Neasman Ross Cockrell Donte Jackson Cole Luke Natrell Jamerson Eric Reid T.J. Green Quin Blanding Tre Boston Colin Jones James Bradberry Javien Elliott
Dominique Hatfield Corn Elder Vonn Bell C.J. Gardner-Johnson J.T. Gray
Marcus Williams Saquan Hampton Marshon Lattimore Patrick Robinson
Justin Hardee
I want Jameis Winston back too!
March 3rd, 2020 at 5:44 pm
I understand Clyde’s analogy. There are some QB’s who are better at handling chaotic moments better than others. Manning and Luck process that chaos quickly and usually make sound judgements in the moment on a regular basis. Jameis gets lost sometimes and makes sloppy decisions. Plus it’s also a matter of reading defenses.
March 3rd, 2020 at 5:51 pm
I went back and watched the BA combine interview where he acknowledges that they’ve already made their decision, but they’re also seeing who comes calling, in regards to the QB situation. After listening closely to his tone, inflection, body language, and points made, I think Jamoist is coming back again. I’m done worrying about it at this point. I’ll just prepare for more futility, and wait for the nightmare to end. Same as it ever was. #NoPlayoffs
March 3rd, 2020 at 5:51 pm
This is spot on but we have to stay in he lane.
Yes, Winston is smart.
And yes, he processes inputs on the football field slowly.
Both can be (and are) true without devolving into calling him dumb… which is definitely not the case. He can still be successful but not at a level that warrants $30M+. I wonder if he’s figured that out yet?
March 3rd, 2020 at 6:09 pm
When you are seeking 30 million per year, the label put on a player matters not. The price tag for JW determines the rest of your signings. That alone is what concerns Arians.
March 3rd, 2020 at 6:47 pm
Cant wait to hear the interview to get actual context.
March 3rd, 2020 at 7:03 pm
Pick6King Says:
March 3rd, 2020 at 5:51 pm
I went back and watched the BA combine interview where he acknowledges that they’ve already made their decision, but they’re also seeing who comes calling, in regards to the QB situation. After listening closely to his tone, inflection, body language, and points made, I think Jamoist is coming back again. I’m done worrying about it at this point. I’ll just prepare for more futility, and wait for the nightmare to end. Same as it ever was. #NoPlayoffs
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My fears too! If we repeat a sixth, playoffless season then we will have. A full house cleaning. And it’s depressing to think that Licht/Arians are thinking of hedging their bet on turnovers being corrected. It would be a coffin nail.
March 3rd, 2020 at 7:03 pm
WestChap & passthebuc … None of us would even be having this discussion if Jameis was willing to sign on as the Bucs QB for let’s say $15 mil. Everyone would be saying ‘Well, I’m sure that BA can FIX HIM this year & get his INTs down to an ‘acceptable level’ and at that price we’re willing to experiment once again”. Why? IMO it’s because the ALTERNATIVES are considerably more expensive than that, and each of them is an UNKNOWN in their own right. Bucs will be hard-pressed for money before all is said-and-done, and our PRIORITY seems to be DEFENSE for a change. That’s a BIG shift since JL has been here.
Jameis blew it when he mouthed off with ‘I be ballin’ and insisting that he’s a $30 mil-Plus QB. He blew it earlier with the Uber ‘hassle’ but more-so IMO by not telling the team right away what happened (and yes, it does seem that there was a little lying going on in terms of excuses from his Philly brother). Jameis turned himself from a potential good-guy into a lightning rod. And Lord knows that Central Florida has LOTS of lightning.
March 3rd, 2020 at 7:04 pm
Eric I must have missed it. But exactly what NFL team did you play for or coach?
March 3rd, 2020 at 7:16 pm
Eric played for Unversity of the Menatlly Afflicted. Majored in Ebonics.
March 3rd, 2020 at 7:16 pm
So, by reading this thread…Peyton Manning – who had a 28 wonderlic & 100INTS in his 1st 5 yrs…Was worthy of team/fan support…After his own immature act of tea-bagging one of the UT Medical Staff incident as a college FR.
But JW3 should be scorned & cast-off as a dumb-dumb w/ his 27 wonderlic & 88ints in 1st 5yrs of his career…Because he shouted obscenities on a table @ FSU & had a Uber driver make groping accusations 4ys ago.
Got It!
March 3rd, 2020 at 7:32 pm
catcard202 Says:
March 3rd, 2020 at 7:16 pm
So, by reading this thread…Peyton Manning – who had a 28 wonderlic & 100INTS in his 1st 5 yrs…Was worthy of team/fan support…After his own immature act of tea-bagging one of the UT Medical Staff incident as a college FR.
But JW3 should be scorned & cast-off as a dumb-dumb w/ his 27 wonderlic & 88ints in 1st 5yrs of his career…Because he shouted obscenities on a table @ FSU & had a Uber driver make groping accusations 4ys ago.
Got It!
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Peyton Manning actually made the playoffs in his first five seasons. If that was the case with Jamoist, we’d be having an entirely different conversation. But instead of leading the Bucs to postseason play, America’s turnover machine consistantly nails our coffin shut. He’s a loser in the NFL and always will be. Time to cut the driftwood.
March 3rd, 2020 at 7:36 pm
Buccaneer Bonzai Says:
March 3rd, 2020 at 11:52 am
I don’t know why anyone is surprised by this. No one thinks Winston is elite (yet).
BB, Jameis thinks he’s elite… Check his stats he’s ballin
March 3rd, 2020 at 7:53 pm
Jameis is average with the potential to be great. Clyde makes sense and I’m willing to ride the rollercoaster one more year.
March 3rd, 2020 at 8:11 pm
Cat card 20
I laugh at these clowns who even imply Jameis is dumb half these clowns dropped out of Community College because they could pass Algebra 1 but the difference is he is. Pro QB and the fast food cook! Kid is very intelligent I bet there one person on this post who was accepted into Stanford not one but JW is the dumb one get real!
March 3rd, 2020 at 8:15 pm
DBS not one!
Jerry Jones oh you one of our 30lk year teachers I see
Engineer buddy 175 per year we are not the same bro don’t come for Me because I don’t see crap your way!
March 3rd, 2020 at 8:36 pm
That’s what I thought Eric. That means your opinion means no more than anyone else here. And does not make you qualified to judge anyone or their knowledge.
March 3rd, 2020 at 8:48 pm
1 pick if you are going to talk about the rules was different . Than that means Brady is not the goat right ?? Lol you see yall cortrictdict yall self’s and the national media . So that means that every quarterback in their first 5 years threw a 100 interceptions ?? I think not !! The thing is that this coaching staff has a high risk type of offense . Payton Manning didn’t start getting better until they shortened those pass routes . He was the quick slant king which I will say is a good offense for a young quarterback especially when you have a hall of fame runningback and a good defense . Give Jamies those types of guys and coaching he will ball .
March 3rd, 2020 at 9:11 pm
erica you are the one who came in here nametelling like a kindergartner does.
And now your getting all defensive? Sorry bro with your opening statement you totally blew your chance to take any kind of high road here.
March 3rd, 2020 at 9:40 pm
Jameis need receivers who can get separation from the defenders so jameis don’t have to choke back on all his passes
March 3rd, 2020 at 9:46 pm
Exactly what are you going to do if I “come at you bro”? Keep slinging jibberish? You just sound stupid. I can barely comprehend what you’re saying because you have zero grammar skills.
March 3rd, 2020 at 9:53 pm
Todd Says, to summarize, unfortunately you believe & regurgitate everything that is read to you.
March 3rd, 2020 at 10:20 pm
Sounds like another reason to move on from Winston and aggressively pursue Tom Brady. It sounds like Winston cannot mentally process information that he gets late. Which is what defenses constantly do. They disguise what there doing until the last possible moment.
If he can’t process this information fast enough, he can’t possibly make good decisions. Leading him to hold the ball longer than he should, get hit and sacked more often, and throw more interceptions. All things that would not happen with Tom Brady.
It’s the difference between being book smart and street smart. My sister is extraordinarily intelligent. Much smarter than I am…when it comes to book smarts. But she lacks common sense. She can’t think on her feet. It sounds a lot like Winston. Very smart when it comes to the classroom Hard worker. But he can’t adjust quickly enough when things come up that weren’t expected or in the book.
March 3rd, 2020 at 10:29 pm
@ Eric makes 175 dollars a year as an ” Engineer”
Makes sense.
Jameis isn’t DUMB by any means he just can’t process information quickly.
People on the spectrum aren’t DUMB either, but I don’t want them as the QB for the Bucs.
I also don’t want your common Stanford grad either.
Smart doesn’t matter, it’s football IQ that matters and that involves way more than your whiteboard breakdown. Unless maybe they time you then Bugger McFarland gets to sack you after 3 seconds.
March 3rd, 2020 at 11:48 pm
Palmer, who was 37 at the time I believe, threw 24 INTs under Arians in his first year – and they didn’t throw nearly as much.
The next year Palmer was having a great season but then got hurt.
The following season Palmer was fantastic.
The point is, Palmer, a long time vet with a big arm who was also a gunslinger, threw a career high number of INTs his first year with Arians. Then he settled down.
That’s what will happen with Jameis – and I know that will make all the Winston haters very angry as they’d rather see Jameis (the NFL’s leading passer and 2nd in TDs) fail than to see the Bucs win. It’s basically the same situation the country is in with politics – and Winston haters just refuse to accept the results of the 2015 draft.
March 5th, 2020 at 5:18 am
Jameis went into the last two games of last season in a contract year with a chance to earn a second contract. The Bucs had two home games to close the season and the defense played well enough to win both games. And Jameis threw 6 interceptions and lost both games. So consider this carefully, when Jameis had to deliver he didn’tand now Bruce Arians doubts him. And who can blame him?