“So Could Matthew Stafford, So Can Case Keenum”

February 12th, 2020

Filibusters against America.

It got heated on NBC Sports Network yesterday morning. All because a guy led the NFL in passing yards last season.

On Tuesday’s broadcast of “Pro Football Talk Live,” hosted by the creator, curator and overall guru of Pro Football Talk, the great Mike Florio, fellow NBC employee Peter King sat in as he often does on Tuesdays. The conversation turned to Mr. Entertainment, America’s Quarterback, Pro Bowler Jameis Winston.

Florio admitted he would have a tough time throwing Jameis to the curb this offseason as so many want. Florio added only quarterbacks who are someday headed to the Hall of Fame had better seasons than Jameis in 2019.

“The only human beings who have had more passing yards in a season than Jameis Winston are Peyton Manning, Drew Brees, Tom Brady and Ben Roethlisberger — that’s it!” Florio said.

Florio noted, “There is something there” with Jameis and wondered if Bucco Bruce Arians and his gang can just find a way to get Jameis to slightly cut down the picks.

King was not impressed and made it clear he thinks Jameis is dragging the Bucs down, no matter his insane production. King noted Jameis’ gaudy numbers — and those likely from the four quarterbacks Florio cited — are bloated in the 21st century due in part to the evolution of the game.

“Look, everybody knows that Jameis Winston when he’s hot and having a big day can throw for over 400 yards in a game,” King said. “So can Matthew Stafford. So can Case Keenum, OK?”

And then King got really fired up, his voice grew louder, and launched into what he described as a “filibuster” and railed on Jameis and his interceptions.

When Florio reminded King it may be impossible to find a quarterback currently walking the street that can produce like Jameis, King shrieked, “So what????!!!” King said he would prefer a quarterback with far less productivity so long as he doesn’t play Santa Claus.

“It’s about possessing the ball!” King bellowed.

For the record, Keenum, in 64 NFL starts, has never had a 400-yard game.

You can watch the exchange and the full excerpt below.

79 Responses to ““So Could Matthew Stafford, So Can Case Keenum””

  1. pryda...sec 147 Says:

    Lol Jameis is going to be extended in Tampa.

  2. pryda...sec 147 Says:

    And King is a HoF voter smh.

  3. Pete Says:

    Keep Jameis!

  4. Pete Says:

    I hope that Bucs Keep Jameis!

  5. Alaskan Abdominal Snowman Says:

    Not many QBs have thrown for 5000 yards in a season.
    Not many QBs have thrown 30 INTs in a season.
    Jameis is Elite.
    Elite good.
    Elite bad.
    Elite entertainer.
    Elite divider.

  6. Leon Says:

    No one really respects this hand bag so clueless!

  7. Check your sheet Says:

    God I hope the Glazers get the Bucs another veteran quarterback and draft a potential franchise qb to replace America’s turnover machine. Can’t take the constant bonehead interceptions. In case you Jameis apologists forgot, his first and last pass as a Buccaneer was a pick six. Think about that clones. Go Bucs!

  8. Sport Says:

    JW situational football is poor (bottom 3rd) and he is now pricing himself off this team.

    Fantasy football numbers do not translate to Super Bowls.

    Let the stat line go.

    Can this QB get you through the playoffs and win a SB?

    His propensity for poor decision making tells me no.

    In BA I Trust!

  9. Stanglassman Says:

    I hope this is all just to keep us entertained and contract posturing. Jameis will cut down the turnover his 2nd year in the system and he gives the Bucs the best chance to win a championship in the near future.

  10. Evo2706 Says:

    Thanks for your hard work Joe’s! You guys dont miss a thing.

  11. Kevin Says:

    Easy answer: trade for Matt Stafford

  12. Eric Says:

    Peter sounds like a Trash-iota apologist but hey it’s funny how when Mahomes threw for 5000 no one mentioned a damn thing about the current NFL the sad part about it is JW came in this league with a bunch of people hoping and praying for him to fail so everything he accomplish would always be frowned upon except when he throws Int because that fits these clowns narrative he is better than Trash-iota get over it!

  13. Mr. Reality Says:

    Keeping Jameis Winston where he is and expecting him to suddenly be effective would be like putting a socialist in charge of America; many ignorant people who somehow expect a good thing to come of it have clearly not studied up on history and the fact that it will never work.

  14. DoooshLaRue Says:

    I guess King isn’t fooled.

    He knows JayMiss sucks.

  15. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:

    Stafford would be like Drew Brees in Bruce Arians offense. But we’ll stay with Winston…and be glad of it by the end of the 2020 season.

  16. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:

    There isn’t a single QB in this draft that will be an elite franchise QB in 5 years. This is not a good year to draft a QB.

  17. Stanglassman Says:

    a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.

    If it sounds familiar it’s because the NFL is a perfect example of it. Unions, collective bargaining, sharing revenue. It’s a much more extreme version than any politician would ever advocate for today.

    People often like to drop the first word to make it sound scary.

    Democratic socialism is a political philosophy that advocates for political democracy alongside a socially owned economy, with a particular emphasis on workers’ self-management and democratic control of economic institutions within a market socialist economy or some form of a decentralised planned socialist economy.

  18. D1 Says:

    Sound scary! No, not really. Which is exactly what is intended.

    Nevertheless, it is.

  19. DoooshLaRue Says:


    If you don’t think Joe Burrow is gonna be great…. you’re high.

  20. Loyaltotheend Section 312 Says:

    Surprised Joe posted this as it doesn’t reinforce his opinion Jameis is great and that INTs mean nothing.

    Problem with Jameis is that King is right and so is Florio…

    Jameis puts up great stats but is that due to his weapons and no run game or is it because he’s a good qb?

    Good Fantasy Football player but when it’s time for a play to be made and a good decision with the ball Jameis just isn’t there

  21. BucEmUp Says:

    Sign him, keep him

  22. Defense Rules Says:

    Good Jameis – Bad Jameis is such a circular argument. Whoever’s making the argument will always end up at the SAME POINT, mostly because 30 TDs & 30 INTs is unprecedented in the anals of NFL history. Ultimately it comes down to the question ‘Is it worth it?’ The yardage is quite irrelevant, but not the TDs that result, because THEY lead to POINTS which lead to WINS & LOSSES. Unfortunately INTs have the very same result, thus the dilemma.

    I lean towards keeping Jameis on the HOPE that he can keep the TDs up but cut the INTs down … but not for an unreasonable amount of money & not long-term. Actually it’s somewhat more than HOPE; it’s that I believe that BA can find a way to improve Jameis’ TD-to-INT ratio. How much is anyone’s guess.

  23. Eric Says:

    DoooshLarue tell me one person who Joe Burrows as a First Round Pick after his JR Year show me one he was a fringe late round pick so yeah I’m like Bonzai very skeptical! Andre Ware David Carr Akali Smith Jamarcus Russell and Trash-Iota I can see all them in this kid!

  24. Bird Says:

    Please …no politics…cmon. No politics.

    This is a bucs website…period

    Hey i get the 5000 yards stat …its impressive…
    But dont forget only 6 or 7 qbs in the history of the NFL have thrown more then 30 ints in a season . Jameis is responsible for many losses over the years. And i understand its a team sport and the defense has suck and other components have sucked. But in todays nfl , qbs win and lose games every sunday

    If its true that jameis had lasik surgery and can see (even though i have been wearing contacts for 30 years So not sure why contacts werent available ) maybe he gets a shot

    But i agree with DEFENSE RULES. It has to be at the right value. Anything around /over 25 mil per year does not fit his body of work.

  25. Morgus the Magnificent Says:

    King is a wise man. And they didn’t even TOUCH Winston’s off the field crap.

  26. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    Good Jameis…..Bad Jameis…..Expensive Jameis…….problem
    Good Jameis…..Bad Jameis…..Affprdable Jameis…….doable

  27. Señor Harry in Costa Rica Says:

    “…the knock on him—and the big reason why so many NFL teams knocked him down pre-draft—is because he threw some interceptions (25 in his two full seasons as a college starter), played a bit out of control at times, and generally was too reckless for many scouts.”

    Jameis? NO, Past Mahomes. From Peter King

  28. SteveK Says:

    Stanglassman Says:
    February 12th, 2020 at 4:08 am
    I hope this is all just to keep us entertained and contract posturing. Jameis will cut down the turnover his 2nd year in the system and he gives the Bucs the best chance to win a championship in the near future.


    “Best” chance= Tom Brady.

  29. FlBoy84 Says:

    One (among many) of JW’s stats that particularly stand out is his EIGHT interceptions inside the Bucs own 20 yard line. In an area of the field where ball security is SO amazingly critical and paramount, JW threw as many or more picks than Carr, Jackson, Mahomes, Cousins, Wentz, Rodgers, Brissett, Minshew, Stafford, Brees, and Wilson threw during the ENTIRE season. While it hasn’t been an issue in the past for him, it’s a troubling stat and the main reason why the Bucs handed the 2nd best starting field position in the league to their opponents in 2019.

  30. Loyaltotheend Section 312 Says:


    Stop making sense the FSU fans masquerading as Buc fans don’t understand facts

  31. SmoothBayRider Says:

    @Bonzai – Not a single elite QB ? Nobody thought of Mahomes or Jackson as elite QBs , and they both won MVPs in year two and a Super Bowl for Mahomes in year 3 . QBs aren’t elite coming out of the draft (For reference , see Winston , Jameis ). QBs are elite once they get to the NFL and do something special .

  32. Ndog Says:

    King sounds like all the CLUELESS on this here board. He comes unhinged when it comes to Jameis. He can’t even have a rational discussion and starts yelling. What is it about this guy that everyone wants him to fail? Oh I know what it is, it is the machine that is know as BSPN that started tearing him down with false accusations (remember the fake autograph story they ran with and they never retracted) back when they realized he was going to bring their Cash cow SEC down for the national title in college. Just like many of you King has been brainwashed to only see negative in Jameis which is extremely sad. But that is what happens to the weak minded.

  33. SteveK Says:

    Wake up and smell the turnovers!

  34. mark2001 Says:

    I read this two different places…and the slant was completely different based upon what King said..and it wasn’t an anti-jameis site.

    He basically said…I don’t care if he passes for six or seven thousand yards…those 30 turnovers..you just can’t have that…can’t live with that. And 5000 yards in today’s pass happy league doesn’t mean what it used to. The later Joe alluded to. But like I said…kind of bizarre.

    Frankly, I never expected half the story in the narrative here. Or maybe I should just click on the actual interviews and made a mistake to read the narrative.

  35. ATrain Says:

    Does anyone in the Playoffs CARE that their QB didn’t throw for 5000 yrds

    Is any QB who is winning but not throwing for 5000 yrds CARE


    This is the NFL TEAM SPORT WINNING IS #1

    Individual stats are for Losing Teams who have nothing else to talk about

    WHAT DID 5000 yrds get the BUCS

    Ummm an excuse for some Jamiesites to scream keep him
    In other words NOTHING

    Jamies is a cocky A&$:):$. Who comes out and talks about how good he is AFTER LOSING

    Side Note: Evans Goodwin and the whole Defense came over to a huge crowd in Jacksonville to talk with FANS

    Jamies walked by and throw up a hand

    He is a Jack

    Glazers Know if they bring him back the seats will empty

  36. FlBoy84 Says:

    So @Ndog, your idea of having a “rational” discussion is by starting it by stating that anyone who points out the negatives with JW is clueless and brainwashed by the man and the machine? LOL You may want to look up the definition of “rational” and get back to us… Be better.

  37. ModHairKen Says:

    Peter King, Chris Simms and Florio are boring and no one believes anything they say.

  38. mark2001 Says:

    Yep…who needs Florio and the rest…we have modhairken to tell us the truth.

    Look..just because they are saying that Pro Bowl Alternate one time participant Jameis, South Florida’s (for the time being) QB, interception leading QB shouldn’t be resigned is no reason to hate them.

    Many things aren’t boring…the next 30% stock market recession won’t be boring, I guarantee it. But being a bit boring isn’t always a bad thing.

  39. mark2001 Says:

    Alaska… King basically indicated that the 5000 yards really doesn’t mean that much in todays pass happy league. In fact, that the targets of 6 or 7 thousand might be attainable in the near future. But that the 30 turn overs is a big deal.

    And in those things, I agree.

    That aside, I don’t know what Arians thinks…and he will make the decision or he will again retire. Whatever he decides, I will agree to agree with. For this next year. But we need to draft a QB, too.

  40. ou812 Says:

    Winston is so gone !!!! Garbage yards !!!!!! 30 ints !!! NOT one of those QB had 30 int year !!!!

  41. Formerly Tampa 2 Says:

    Joe’s poll showed the feelings of the fans. And while the Glazer boys & BA will make their decision, the fans should be considered in that decision being that the Glazer boys have never cared what the fans thought since they inherited the Bucs and began their “raid the Bucs cash to purchase ManU”. Times are a little different now and the boys seem to care (maybe) what their National reputation is. One thing they and BA should consider is what the backlash will be if they keep Winston and he does as Winston does and loses. The fan base, will disappear and the Glazer boys will be a laughingstock once again. Not since Hugh Culverhouse have we had a more parsimonious ownership.

  42. mark2001 Says:

    Stan…and a totalitarian dictatorship throws rules and regulations out the window in the objective of winning at all cost, that only they matter and what they desire, and the league and others in general are only tools to be used in obtaining your objective. Tell them what they want to hear, until the time comes to roast them.

    And seems with all the cheaters and such out there, that this is more the picture of the NFL and our leaders than the others.

  43. Ndog Says:

    So I guess scoring points pretty much with only a passing game is meaningless as well right? So how does anyone think we would have scored if it wasn’t for Jameis, Godwin and Evans?

  44. Hodad Says:

    Rivers said he thinks he’s got another two years left. Arains has another two years tops, less if he has a losing season next year. The Bucs will draft a QB, probably moving back into the first round to get one, and Rivers will be the bridge. Mark it down. Arains, and Rivers are a good match. Arain’s is a firery old vet coach, Rivers is a firey old vet QB, waiting in the wings will be a shiny new toy. Be shocked if this doesn’t happen.

  45. Aaron Says:

    I’ll leave the QB decision to BA – I’m a glutton for punishment and actually want to see JW stay. My gut tells me that the Bucs sign him to a long term deal – they wont set the market but he’ll get a good contract.

    They need that Franchise tag for Barrett – that could take some time to get done. If the CBA is not renewed by 2020 league year – we also get to use the transition tag – I’d use that for JPP.

    While I’d love to see JW stay – until he wins – there will be zero excitement to the 2020 season. It’s gotten to point where I think the JW haters would rather lose so they can say they where right and on the flip side, if the Bucs win, they would have to admit they were wrong.

    I just want to win! Go Bucs!

  46. isrBuc Says:

    This is all PURE BS and i wish JBF would have stopped highlighting this nonsense.
    The bucs know who JW is and what he can do. The issue here, as in most cases, is MONEY. The bucs know they can’t win with LESS talent around him so they must get him on the CHEAP. No, not on tag. no one year deal where they need to over pay him if he plays well. A long term deal around 25-27 per. This is where we are at so ANY DISCUSSION about JW that doesn’t talk about MONEY is a waste of everyone’s time.

  47. mark2001 Says:

    Yeah Ndog…if you score a boatload of points, and for whatever reason you still lose, they mean nothing in the larger perspective. The question at that point is, “why didn’t we win?”. And as you know that all involves ST’s, the D problems early in the year particularly, shortcomings in other parts of the offense, mental errors and turnovers. And it is up to the Administration and Coaching staff to eliminate or at least mitigate the factors that contributed to the losses. Each and every one of them.

  48. 813bucboi Says:

    i agree with king…..

    after 5years the best thing we can say about JW is 5k yards…..sad….

    folks love to talk about how 30INTs were an anomaly, well, so is his 5k yards….JW doesnt get 1 without the other….

    GO BUCS!!!!!

  49. 813bucboi Says:

    the funny thing is, anyone that says the bucs should keep JW, they’re smart, they know football and we should listen…..lol…

    folks that say let him walk are clueless, idiots and dont know football…..lol….

    gotta love it!!!!!….lol….

    GO BUCS!!!!!!

  50. Buccnbeliever Says:

    The owners need to make a decision so we can talk about who to draft already. We know Jameis, some of us love Jameis.

    Give us someone else to be excited about in regards to how they will impact Jameis… Or the next guy.

  51. Coburn Says:

    Agreed bucboi… if he was more conscious about turnovers, threw it away more, gave up on plays, took less sacks and threw less INTs… he wouldn’t have put up that many yards..

    You ask any QB to not worry about turning the ball over, but just go out there and sling it without worrying about the consequences you’d see many more with that kind of yardage.. but there’s a reason you don’t tell your QB that.. you’d rather he consistenly get those 300 yard games and keep it to 1 turnover (int or fumble) per game or less.

  52. Barack's Crack Pipe Says:


    Actually, history makes it sound scary. Hundreds of millions of dead from political purges and starvation makes it scary. Totalitarianism is required in order to take take take what the people earn, and totalitarians never keep their pretty sounding social promises when they can just keep all the spit they take.

    Either you are ignorant or you are a true believer. Probably a social studies indoctrinator.

  53. Alanbucsfan Says:

    Jameis comes back in 2020-

    Defense has 2-3 poor games. 3 losses
    Jameis has 3 – 4 bad games. 3 – 4 losses
    Special Teams has problems 1-2 losses

    8-8 , maybe

    Eliminate 3 bad games from QB – playoff team
    Can Jameis eliminate 3 bad games? History says NO

  54. Barack's Crack Pipe Says:

    Ndog Says:
    “What is it about this guy that everyone wants him to fail?”

    What is it with this guy that every day he accuses all the rational people of hate and a failure fetish?

    Nobody wants James to fail. He manages that pretty well all by himself. I get no pleasure from this. I even empathize with your point of view. I just don’t have your blind faith and tolerance for losing.

  55. D-Rome Says:

    All because a guy led the NFL in passing yards last season.

    Clearly it was Unreasonable Joe that wrote this.

    Pedro King is correct, but I thought he was a bit over the top with this. It sounded almost as if Jay-Miss disrespected him in some way. It still didn’t take away from the overall point that leading the NFL in passing yards is meaningless. Passing yards is the FAKE NEWS of football stats. It’s not a meaningful way to evaluate a QB.

  56. BrianBucs Says:

    King is 100% correct.
    Nothing in NFL football kills you like turnovers.
    Figure in Winston’s picks and lost fumbles, Bucs opponents scored 121 points off of Winston’s turnovers this season. Plus those turnovers kept putting the Bucs defense back on the field causing them to lead the NFL in total defensive snaps on the field.
    If be happy with less yards and fewer turnovers from a Bucs QB, whoever it ends up being.
    That being said, most QB’s would put up the numbers that Winston put up playing in the Arians offense with the weapons the Bucs have, just with less turnovers and mistakes.

  57. lowercaseg Says:

    passing yards stats in this era of football are inflated.

  58. Not a blind bucs fan Says:

    That sounded personal,and case keenum has never come close to 5,00

  59. FlBoy84 Says:

    Uhhmmm, beg to differ Nabbf. If you combine Keenum’s ’18 & ’19 seasons he’s thrown for almost 5,600yds. LOL Believe King was just being a bit over-the-top (shocking) in sharing his opinion that the yardage is more a product of the aggressive system than any particular QB operating it. And also that multiple QB could do it.

  60. BigHog Says:

    Attention it’s been five years …it’s been five years …well let me tell ya, we sucked as a team for twice before Mr 5,000 got drafted here and after being drafted…to have to be coach by maybe some of the leagues all time incapable offensive coaches (until the 2019 season) did absolutely nothing towards building on what Mr. 5,000 already had in his tool box coming out of FSU, and another thang in that five year time span the DEFENCE has just begin to show any signs of life, O/line still not a well oiled machine, we run through kickers like a pissing baby runs through diapers, not pampers, diapers! You low it’s a TEAM SPORT, sometimes the kicker has to pull the rabbit out of the hat, there are times when the DEFENCE has to keep the opponent from getting a first down, and yes Mr. 5,000 has to be held and hold himself accountable for turnovers..bad decision making…fumbles, the whole nine yards! Can he improve in 2020? …I’m with the yes crowd!! SIGN Mr. 5,000 but please draft wisely. YEAR OF THE BUC 2020!!

  61. martinii Says:

    King only had one of two rebuttals, to shut-up and protest through his silence or start yelling moronic arguments. He chose the latter and Florio nearly laughed him off the set. By now we all get it and until BA chooses none of us will get much sleep. Unless you were a Winston hater when we drafted him, this is one of those arguments where everyone is neither right or wrong. We argue each other about the INT’s but in the back of our minds wonder IF he can change in one more year under BA. I say short short leash, cheap, 1 year contract OVER even the chance he goes to another team and throws for 5000 yards, 30 TD’s, and 13 INT’s. The latter would literally ruin football in this town for a decade. “No risk it, No Biscuit.”

  62. martinii Says:

    Just watched an interview by Rich Eison last week with Carson Palmer. Palmer still persistent about year 2 under BA. Carson though injured in year 2, threw 11 in year 3.

  63. martinii Says:

    11 INT’s.

  64. SteveK Says:

    Start over.

    Wake up and smell the turnovers.

    Turnover margin is important as hell.

  65. Mr. Reality Says:

    WooHoo….Winston…a rare winning season that is still never enough to make the playoffs because he gambles games away…gamblers only break even, best case. Win half and lose half will never make the playoffs in the NFL. Send the chump packing.

  66. MTM Says:

    I cannot stand King but he was spot on. Stop the non-sense of “if he cuts down on the turnovers” crap. It’s year 5 and he still tosses picks like crazy. That’s not all on coaching. Its 98% on Winston. Sign a decent vet QB and draft your future QB. Winston is not getting any better. He threw a pick 6 to start and finish his career in Tampa.

  67. Stanglassman Says:

    Totalitarianism is a political system or a form of government that prohibits opposition parties, restricts individual opposition to the state and its claims, and exercises an extremely high degree of control over public and private life. It is regarded as the most extreme and complete form of authoritarianism.

    I agree. This is what we are fighting against. Even one based in unregulated capitalism that has two sets of rules. Rules for the wealthy and the rules for everyone else. Sound familiar?

    Democratic not totalitarian is the form of government and then the type of commerce practiced is a mix of capitalism and socialism.

  68. BigHog Says:

    98% ….98% ….and that is 98% BS ….poor route running….flushed out the pocket and running for your life …..but you know what, Mr. 5,000 will shoulder it all just to hear the haters say in 2020 Mr. 5,000 turned it all around… I just got this SUPER BOWL 2020 FEELING …Mr. 5,000 is tirelessly working this off season as I speak….draft well!!!

  69. Buczilla Says:

    I’d take Stafford in a heartbeat over Jameis. Case Keenum? Hell no. Peter King is a true buffoon. Jameis just plays like one sometimes.

  70. BigHog Says:

    Why yes it does sound quite familiar Mr Stanglassman …sounds just like what this Great Nation is in the middle of right now….45 running things like he an old school pimp ….this the saddest state of attains that I have lived through!!

  71. Anonymous Says:

    ^^^^saddest state of affairs

  72. BigHog Says:

    saddest state of affairs

  73. David Says:

    I’ll keep saying it… Keep Jameis with this coach, in this offense one more year with a better RB and another OL or 2. If that does not work, do whatever you can do to get Trevor Lawrence next year.

    Philip Rivers- NO! He is nothing more than an older Jameis, a gunslinger with big numbers who will make big mistakes. There is no potential or upside like there is with Jameis. That move would make no sense.

    Now Brady….. that’s another story. I would be all for bringing him in for a couple years and getting a young QB in the draft to sit behind him and then take over.

  74. David Says:

    Not sure what the discussion and socialism has to do with anything….
    What I do know is a true socialist economy has always failed. Capitalism, a true free market without the influence of government, which currently really does not exist anywhere, is the absolutely most fair economic system the world has ever known. It has lifted more people out of starvation and poverty than all the other systems in history. Before it was created wealth existed in governments, royal families, and certain wealthy families. Since the inception of the free market, anyone from any walk of life can become wealthy. Competition and a desire and striving to do better for oneself or one’s family is what motivates creativity, inventions, productivity, etc. It’s the reason the vast majority the world still looks to the United States is the place to make it, the place to get to to fulfill a dream. Socialism, on the other hand, has always ended up with everyone on equal footing, a poor Lower end middle class. The only ones wealthy in those societies is the government. The government becomes everything, that’s why Russia banned religion, you were to worship the state.
    People point to Sweden and Denmark in these other countries they say are socialist, they’re not. They’re a form of welfare capitalism. It’s the same thing that AOC and Bernie Sanders and mayor Pete and Elizabeth Warren are preaching here. Let half the country practice capitalism and then let the government take from them to pay for the other half. It’s not real socialism, although it’ll have the same affect by driving everybody down and increasing the wealth of the government. No nation has ever become wealthy through taxes.
    That’s something socialist can never understand, wealth is not finite.
    Just because someone has it doesn’t mean you can’t create your own.
    We put the stigma on people being rich in this country. It’s ridiculous. Used to be part of the dream to make it big, do good for your family, create jobs, give to charity etc.
    Now they just expect you to give it to the government in taxes… The most corrupt organizations the world has ever known, governments. The most inept and inefficient organizations the world has ever known, government.
    And yet half this country believes we should keep giving more to them. LoL

    It just goes to show you what hammering home your failed ideas in the classroom and through the media for 70 years can accomplish. The masses will believe anything even when reality is showing them otherwise

    Rant over

  75. WestChap Says:

    Well, I guess King is now clueless after having the nerve to assess JW on his full performance and not just the preferred portions of his stat sheet. I guess they’ll be taking away his HOF vote? Not. Please get rid of he who shall not be named (anymore). Please.

  76. ArmandoG Says:

    Ah JW only thru 19 ints, the rest came off receivers

  77. BucsFan727 Says:

    Keep Jamies.

  78. jjbucfan Says:

    Sorry Joe- Peter King is total D-Bag, IMHO.

  79. Stanglassman Says:

    Simply untrue David.