NFL.com: Tag Him!
February 19th, 2020
Get him wrapped up.
Joe has long said he would franchise Bucs sack king Shaq Barrett and then sign Mr. Entertainment, America’s Quarterback, Pro Bowler Jameis Winston.
Why? Although this angers some folks, but Shaq, in his first year as a starter which also happened to be a contract year, had a career year. Those outliers (?) always spook the hell out of Joe.
So in Joe’s eyes, Jameis is much more of a written book than Shaq.
And it seems Gregg Rosenthal of NFL.com is thinking like Joe. He wrote franchising Shaq is a no-brainer.
Bruce Arians said that Barrett “ain’t going anywhere,” whereas the coach’s feelings for Jameis Winston are far more conflicted. If a long-term deal can’t be reached and the Bucs have to choose between the two, I think they’d take the risk of Winston walking the plank.
Joe just wants to make sure that Shaq isn’t a fluke. What harm could there be in another prove-it year for Shaq?
Either way, Shaq is going to get paid for 2020.
February 19th, 2020 at 8:02 am
Makes sense. Franchise Shaq, and Transition Jamies.. no one is going to offer Jameis more than 24-25 a year anyway.
February 19th, 2020 at 8:13 am
A strong hard working family man that broke Sapp’s record and wants to stay in Tampa. Has made all of us happy since day one. Hasn’t broken any records of sucktitude. Proved it on a one year “prove it” deal.
Vs
A strong hard working man that has made all of us mad with anger at times and has had strong amounts of sucktitude but be ballin. Has NOT all of us happy since day one. Hasn’t proved it after 3 straight years of “prove it” years.
IMO, Pay Shaq and the pass rushers first then worry about Jameis when everything else is taken care of.
February 19th, 2020 at 8:24 am
Makes sense to me, lets see if Shaq can do it again, or if it was just a fluke.
February 19th, 2020 at 8:34 am
Trade Mike Evans and problem solved.
February 19th, 2020 at 8:48 am
Wow,the logic eludes me..
#58 has a good year but show me more if you want long term deal…
#3 has shown 5 years of “Keystone Cops”..
#3 we want to offer you long term deal for more of the same…..
I am confused with the logic…
February 19th, 2020 at 8:55 am
Going all in on barrett is a risky move that usually backfires on bucs front offices…. there is a long list of more proven players failing in Tampa….. but Tampa loves to label one year wonders legends so barrett will fit in nicely if he fails to reproduce his 1 good year.
February 19th, 2020 at 8:57 am
@Ghettos of Siberia
@Totally Exonerated Again
That’s exactly right. It’s like a heroin addict getting out of the hospital from an overdose… then they want that same stuff again cuz it dropped ’em… it makes no sense… in fact… IT’S INSANE!!!
February 19th, 2020 at 8:59 am
Does anyone know what the franchise amount would be on him?
I get what Joe is saying though…but I had my doubts about Shaq when he was signed last year. Not anymore.
February 19th, 2020 at 9:01 am
Shaq knows they can franchise him…..the Bucs have the leverage on a longer term contract…..if Shaq wants more than one year…..he will cooperate.
Jameis thinks he can do better on the open market……transition him and let’s find out.
February 19th, 2020 at 9:02 am
Bonzai it would be approx 16 million for Shaq if they designate him as an LB under the franchise tag. If they designate him as a DE it would be 19 million. There is no designation for pass rusher/OLB so it is up to the team to decide which to one to use.
February 19th, 2020 at 9:03 am
I do get re-signing Jameis to a deal though. There simply are not any viable options to replace him. No matter how many times fans chant ‘Brady’, it won’t happen. He will be a Patriot this year.
No one else currently available is better than Winston.
Now, if Tua Tagovailoa were to fall to us in the draft, that’d be worth jumping on, but unfortunately, we have to make a decision on Winston before the draft.
I think a transitional tag on Winston is a smart idea though.
February 19th, 2020 at 9:05 am
@Mitch
Tough decision.
February 19th, 2020 at 9:07 am
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February 19th, 2020 at 9:10 am
that make 0 sense!!!!!!!….lol…..
SHAQ had 19.5sacks in a contract year…..
JW had 30INTs in a contract year……
we had no idea what shaq would bring and he pleasantly surprised…..we’ve known for years JW has to get his TOs under control and he still hasnt…..
you’re trying to make sure the wrong player isnt a fluke…..lol….
GO BUCS!!!!!!
February 19th, 2020 at 9:19 am
i can see this now…..lol….
we franchise SHAQ and he has 17.5 sacks next……price goes up for him….
we sign JW to a 4year deal and he has 30TDs 20INTs we go 7-9…..
and folks will say, ” see i told you JW would get his INTs down….i told you SHAQ wouldnt get lead the league in sacks again”…..
sign SHAQ to a 4year deal…..sign JPP to a 3year deal…sign SUH to another 1year deal….sign nassib to a 2year deal…..THEN offer JW 2years 50mil 1year 25 guaranteed…..he balks, go after teddy or carr…..
GO BUCS!!!!!!
GO BUCS!!!!!!
February 19th, 2020 at 9:23 am
This is going to get interesting. They should tag Shaq, the tag should be off the table for jameis. I want Shaq back at 17 mill or less, he needs to show more years of production for 20+. Not to mention, 20+ is for a one man show. We actually have talent across the line.
No as for tagging jameis, I was looking on sportrac and couldn’t find a backup getting paid over 10 million. I didn’t go back too far, but only a vet being paid until the rookie took over got paid any more. So the difference between backup money and the tag is about 17 million, the amount we would have to pay Shaq. That doesn’t mean we don’t need to spend more, but I wouldn’t pay jameis too much more than 15 to20 to start. Then we could at least have another good player to offset the doo on his shoes.
February 19th, 2020 at 9:29 am
It’s pretty clear which Joe wrote this .
February 19th, 2020 at 9:35 am
Transition only works if you have a mega stud. Otherwise, if you have no takers, YOU overpaid the guy.
Just say NO to any $$$ over 18 mil. for America’s Turnover Machine.
February 19th, 2020 at 9:45 am
SmoothBayRider Says:
February 19th, 2020 at 9:29 am
It’s pretty clear which Joe wrote this .
BINGO!!!!!!
the one that gets “excited” about yards and not wins….
GO BUCS!!!!!!
February 19th, 2020 at 9:46 am
“Jameis is more of a written book”
Yep, a comic book.
Keep Shaq and the defense together and find a less expensive option at QB who doesn’t continually give the ball away like it’s last week’s crab legs and cost your team games
February 19th, 2020 at 10:03 am
Shaq is not going to be a 1yr wonder, if he stays in Bowles system.
He learned a ton from Von Miller & proved what he’s capable of in 2019.
Get him signed before FA & don’t look back.
February 19th, 2020 at 10:27 am
Yeah lets slap a franchise tag on Shaq and p|ss him off. Great advice.
I don’t care if we p|ss JW off because there’s no question he not worth more than 27 mil franchise number.
but to alienate Shaq by basically telling him he’s an outlier or a fluke. Nah I wouldn’t do it. Make him a decent offer and let him counter. Let him feel good about his accomplishment and that he earned a lucrative contract.
February 19th, 2020 at 10:36 am
Jean Lafitte
So cute carring about employee feelings…. it’s a business screw his feelings you do whats right long term…. feelings are irrelevant…. so so soft….
February 19th, 2020 at 10:42 am
Pay Shaq! He earned it.
February 19th, 2020 at 11:02 am
I don’t like the franchise tag, I think it’s unfair to the players. But it fits best in this case where a guy is underachieving his entire career then shines in just one season (and a contract year to boot).
February 19th, 2020 at 11:50 am
I still have doubts. If we dont have a solid player on the opposite side of him whats the point. We saw what happened those games after teams figured him out and didnt have to block anyone else. Need to get the whole d-line and JPP.
February 19th, 2020 at 11:51 am
give shaq 3 sacks in the first 4 games last year instead of 9…
then add in his total the rest of the way…
that’s a more realistic total…
next year he will probably get 10-15 sacks in this system…
so will jpp though…
shaq also if i recall correctly had like 2-3 in the last game??? and a couple might have been more like coverage sacks…
also, all this is conducive to suh and vea heavily clogging the middle up to assist our sack masters…
if the middle of our line is weak and can get run through next year, like in the mccoy era, sacks will drop drastically across the board…
so you might want to franchise the shaq-meister and pay him and godwin next year…
because i doubt this is the superbowl year…
yes this should be a playoff year…
but 2021 is the superbowl year
February 19th, 2020 at 12:09 pm
I would be concerned about signing Shaq Barrett to a long term deal if he only got 9 sacks. Shaq was a productive player when he was in Denver. He just didn’t get the amount of snaps on defense. If you were to average out his sacks and pressures numbers from Denver to those of a full time starter he would be in the 10-12 sacks a year range. Shaq’s numbers last season were an outlier but it’s not as if we’re talking about a guy who is going to go from 19.5 sacks to 6 sacks next season. He’s going to continue to be a 10+ sacks per season guy.
Jay-Miss, on the other hand, will continue to lead the NFL in INTs and total turnovers and we all know that is not going to change next season.
February 19th, 2020 at 12:32 pm
I think we should refer to the joe who prefers yards and excitement over wins, “AMERICAS JOE!”
February 19th, 2020 at 12:57 pm
I agree with Franchise to Shaq. Love the guy who made the 2019 season entertaining while becoming an integral part of a potentially top NFL defense. Barrett performed well and admits he likes Tampa and the Buc’s. One year Franchised will prove he is deserving of a long term deal and an eventual spot on The Ring of Honor. As far as Jameis it is obvious that fans are divided about his future and Management is prepared to let us know his fate when they are good and ready. Not going to waste good brain cells speculating the rest of his football career.
February 19th, 2020 at 12:59 pm
tag him is an insult. he’s expressed his love for the org and bay area, been a leader…a TRUE baller.
lock him up for 3-4 yr. tag JPP if needed.
February 19th, 2020 at 1:14 pm
Robert
You being allowed to consume precious O2 is what is truly insulting to the human race….. how’s the dinghy?
February 19th, 2020 at 2:09 pm
I agree with Robert; franchise tag to Shaq could be perceived as an insult. Catcard202 nailed it … “Shaq is not going to be a 1yr wonder, if he stays in Bowles system.” Shaq is a great fit … in THIS system. Work up a long-term deal (4-5 years) in the vicinity of what a franchise tag would bring him (roughly $16 mil per year for an OLB) with at least 2 years guaranteed. He’s earned it and it’ll be money well spent.
I didn’t originally like the idea of transition tagging Jameis, largely because of the cost (about $24 mil). But that may be our best option at this point, since the decision has to be made by March 10th, a full week before FA starts. I’d hate to see us enter free agency with NO starting QB on the roster. We can always trade him after that if the opportunity presents itself. And I’m still skeptical that the Bucs can find a starting-caliber QB in this year’s draft.
February 19th, 2020 at 7:59 pm
Defenses win championships but how the hell can you resign Jameis to a long term contract. Makes my head hurt.