Ex-Patriots, Chiefs, Falcons Executive Calls Jameis Winston Delusional

February 17th, 2020

Delusional: a persistent false psychotic belief regarding the self or persons or objects outside the self that is maintained despite indisputable evidence to the contrary.Merriam-Webster Dictionary

Remember after last season concluded, following Jameis Winston’s NFL-record seventh Pick-6 and the Bucs losing two consecutive home games, America’s Quarterback told the world to “check your sheet” (aka look at my stats) because he’s “ballin'” and will be the greatest of the greats if he can cut his interception total.

That display had more than a few Bucs fans squirming in their chairs.

Suppose Dalvin Cook said that after turning the ball over via 10 fumbles in a season? It wouldn’t sound like he’s in touch with what’s happening on the field. That’s the best analogy Joe can think of on a Monday morning.

Former Chiefs general manager Scott Pioli, once a high-ranking executive with the Jets, Patriots and Falcons (2014-2019), heard those words from Jameis and was left shaking his head.

“The word that I used to describe him was delusional in that moment,” Pioli told SiriusXM NFL Radio last week.

And Pioli went on to call Jameis “delusional” several times. He also said he’s confident Jameis got under Bruce Arians’ skin and changed Arians’ attitude about the Bucs’ quarterback position with those comments about “ballin'” when you’re not winning.

Joe disagrees with Pioli when it comes to Arians, who might actually admire Jameis’ confidence. And there’s a chance Jameis was just echoing what Arians and other coaches told Jameis every week.

But Joe definitely will agree that Jameis might be a bit delusional when it comes to his performance and the value of his overall stat sheet.

128 Responses to “Ex-Patriots, Chiefs, Falcons Executive Calls Jameis Winston Delusional”

  1. AlteredEgo Says: Your comment is awaiting moderation. Says:

    Jameis will be “bawling” when he sees the Bucs offer sheet

  2. Ocala Says:

    Haters in 3-2-1….go

  3. SmoothBayRider Says:

    I’m just waiting for NDog’s comments .

  4. stpetebucsfan Says:


    Just curious. Why do you suppose JW engenders so much “hate”.

    First leave the race card at home the league is 3/4’s black.

    2nd Surely it’s not some prejudice against FSU players. As I recall WD and DB55 were big stars in Tampa.

    Does JW bring any of this “hatred” on himself? Just curious. Or is it all simply related to all the losing and the Buc’s record of futility. Or does JW generally produce bad PR when he opens his yap?

  5. Sport Says:

    This delusional trait is deeply embedded in his DNA. It’s a critical trait that drove him to make his questionable decisions.

    FSU antics, including run-ins with his coach.
    Derrick Brooks said he was too good at apologizing. Meaning he’s says he’s contrite, and actually believes it, but he kept making poor decisions.

    JW has earned all his praise and all his criticism. He’s also earned what the market will bear. It should be a long term deal in the $30M range annually. But he lit that contract on fire with his play.

    I’ve got my popcorn..

    In BA Trust!

  6. SC Bucs Fan Says:

    Not a hater but the idea JW will somehow start making good decisions with the football is ludicrous. The idea he “gets it” and starts not making bad throws makes me chuckle. Anyone, even Joe, think he could go three or four playoff games (which you need to win to win it all) without JW giving one of those games away?

  7. Greg Says:

    Ocala I am happy to be a Jameis Hater. Wrote 2 checks for sexually assaulting women which Jameis fans ignore. Leads the nfl in turnovers every year which the Jameis fans blow off like its no big deal. He has just enough talent and makes just enough plays to keep you in mediocrity at best year after year. The GM has shown him unconditional love with the weapons around him and he leads the nfl all time single season record with 7 pick-sixes. He is not a winner and wants to be paid like a great quarterback. Let him walk.

  8. tmaxcon Says:

    piolli another hack patriot that has won nothing on his own… well joe, at least he is under 100 years old you are making progress….

  9. Don_RyJo(e) Says:

    What else is Jameis going to say in that moment? He wants a long-term contract at franchise QB rates! Its all contract-negotiation-posturing. Just like Arians playing coy about Jameis’ future is contract-negotiation-posturing.

  10. Bonzo Says:

    Not just delusional, but bi-polar. The best there is when he is on but the worst there is when he isn’t. It’s madness, delusion and bedlam in Tampa Bay folks, and we gotta shut down the sanitarium!

  11. El Buco Realisto Says:

    The “real fans” already reported and discussed this topic last week!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    It’s another much requested “REALIST REPOST”!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    El Buco Realisto Says:
    February 14th, 2020 at 11:22 am
    Ole stale biscuit has to be wondering how he got stuck in this situation!!!!!!! “Word on the street”, is that ole stale biscuit knows he can’t fix jay-miss!!!!! But he can’t jay-miss walk away, because then all the fans will ask why licht Wright is still the GM???? And why is stale biscuit here just to retire in a year!!!!! And why draft a new qb to fit ole stale biscuit’s when ole stale biscuit is leaving in a year or so!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    So the only solution, was sign “blameless” cheap, and sign free-agent in hope that the roster was finally good enough to “DRAG” jay-miss to meaningful games!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And when Jay-miss’s camp released that they wanted 30 million, ole stale biscuit was p!$$3[ !!!!!!!!!!!!! He was a new shade of purple!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So now ole stale biscuit sits in a “no win” situation!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    go bucs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  12. tmaxcon Says:

    although I do find all the excuses, cherry picked numbers and selective memories of the jameis haters very entertaining. instead of babbling on and on with twisted facts and numbers why don’t you losers just man up and state you just hate the kid. I’d have far more respect for that than the holier than though hypocrites trying to justify pure hatred with excuses, cherry picked numbers and selective memories…. Don’t be a coward like nancy pelosi and the rest of our dysfunctional politicians… Own your hate!!!!!

  13. rrsrq Says:

    Everybody has an opinion on Jameis, there are those of us on the sideline as fans that watched all 30 of JWs INTs and we know some of those were on the receivers but also there were probably just as many INT drops, so it evens out. We as fans held our breath at every drop back and at times he took away our breath with some serious magical throws and scrambles. We watch for 5 years, we have seen Jameis be better on the run than inside the pocket (even the stats prove it). Then there are those that just see 30 INTs and his propensity to turn the ball over, the talking heads who have barely watched a game but watched the highlights of the bad and said “same ol Bucs” because they lost. They didn’t see the defense give up 30 or the kicker missed FGs when Jameis got them into position. They are saying Jameis has a flawed rep and I don’t have to review the Bucs as a team, they are just going to say Jameis is bad, delusional and Bucs should be done with him. Either way, I’m a Bucs fan, I want the team to succeed with Jameis, however, if they move on, it has to be playoffs or bust, because if the defense stays in tact, everybody stays healthy, a solid rookie and FA class, this team can win now, with JW ballin, if he cuts down the turnovers. I just want to hear from somebody professionally, who has watched Bucs games, not just the highlights and listened to the hype

  14. Defense Rules Says:

    Bucs fans & media can debate Good Jameis-Bad Jameis forever, but it has to eventually come down to CONSISTENT PERFORMANCE on the field (and off actually). Jameis is Busch Gardens ‘Cheetah Hunt’ ride IMO. You go up, up, up then all of a sudden you’re pointing straight down & traveling at Warp 10. Oh ya, followed by a million twists, turns & loops. Then mercifully it pulls into the station & those who you’re with ask if you’re ready to go again. Ya right.

    Fun ride. But how many times can you do it before you figure out that it’s probably not gonna change. Well, unless it goes off the tracks one day that is.

  15. Fb Says:

    Lobbyist says Arians must admire jameis, because nothing can entertain more than “America’s Santa Clause” . I still don’t know how you all came up with “America’s qb”? Were you having cocktails with Jerry Jones at the league meeting? There can be a fine line between a trait being good and being bad. Being able to clear your mind to take the next shot is great, so long as you don’t clear it so much you don’t continue to learn from your mistakes. Ego and confidence are great until you become an arse hole, then they must be considered a negative

  16. SteveK Says:

    Delusional is a helluva word to describe it. This same delusion is not experienced by the realistic fans, but the Jameis Honks that can’t look at this objectively utilize their “delusion” to call others “clueless” bc they aren’t buying the BS. New QB, better D, don’t cripple our salary cap.

  17. D-Rome Says:

    Very obvious that Reasonable Joe wrote this.

    I’d like to see the Bucs move on from Jay-Miss INTson but I really believe they’ll bring him back and draft a QB.

  18. MTM Says:

    Its Winston’s lack of self awareness and decision making that are the problem. Delusional is a distance 3rd place.

  19. SteveK Says:


    You know as well as I do that if we bring Jameis back, with a rookie on the bench, he will fold like a cheap lawn chair with any pressure. See: Fitzmagic.

    Jameis is too inconsistent, and the turnovers are just too damn many to tolerate. Add in the fact that Jameis proclaimed he’s ballin, and worth $30 million. Lol, good riddance!!!!

    Confident we never win a super bowl with this clown. He can go eat w’s, I prefer actually earning them on the field.

  20. Aaron Says:

    If he cut his interception total to 15 – so, 5100 / 33 / 15 stat line…that’s pretty impressive..I just want to win – so I don’t care what our QB stat line is but I do understand that our QB will have big numbers due to BAs system…I hope that BA can tweak his system to accommodate JWs weaknesses and strengths next year.

    I believe that the Bucs want to sign JW to a long term contract…they wont over pay …but need to see who is available to be able to decide…do we move on and go to our Plan B or Plan C if his asking price is off the charts.

    Go Bucs!

  21. BrianBucs Says:

    Having Winston as your QB is like having a big dog that you love that every now and then, for no reason, he turns around and bites the living sh&t out of you. You love him to death, you’ve had him for 5 years, but getting bit really hurts.
    So you have to make the decision do you keep him hoping someday he will just miraculously change behavior and stop biting you, or have you been bitten enough painful times now that you had enough? Do you find him a new home, take him to a shelter, or just keep him and hope and pray for the best?

  22. thisisouryear!! Says:

    Honestly for me his off the field garbage was so bad coming out of college and continued with the Uber incident, I fought myself hard to cheer for him. He hasn’t done it on the field. There’s not many QB’s I wouldn’t rather than him.

  23. Bobby M. Says:

    A better description for Winston is he lacks awareness……he’s been that way since his days at FSU, he hasn’t changed after 5 yrs in the NFL. He’s not going to change. Folks can say you need that to a degree to be a great…..I get that…at the same time one has to be in tune with reality.

    When he was at FSU and under all types of scrutiny for the incident with the female student…..the idiot stands in the middle of a crowded hall and yells obscenities in front of everyone.

    With the Bucs…..after all he went through in college and being given a shot with the Bucs….he goes and does the Uber incident and never once thinks it might be a good idea to report the issue to the Bucs.

    He routinely gets picked on the first passes of games….gets pick-6s to lose games….throws for 30 INTs….and his best response is he’s balling?

    He hasn’t sniffed a playoff and barely has posted one winning season while finishing dead last in the division 3x. Yet he believes he’s an all time great.

    He lacks awareness…..or he’s delusional. The dude just doesn’t operate in reality.

  24. Bucsfan951 Says:

    I like the opening drive ints in particular. Nothing starts off a good game like a int on that opening drive… what is everyone else’s favorite int during the game?

  25. SC Bucs Fan Says:

    Aaron if he cuts his interceptions in half?

    Like what is RoJo runs for 1500 yards, is our RB fixed?
    What if Gay doesn’t miss a kick?
    What if Davis, Dean and SBJ ann play at a pro bowl level?

    Players are what they are. JW is careless with the football. For him to have 1/2 the interceptions he’s have to have 1/2 the attempts and 1/2 the yards.

  26. nano107 Says:

    If this guy is allowed to walk and succeeds the Glazers will be done in Tampa
    Will see

  27. Bucsfan951 Says:

    Lucky for me, I got to see my favorite int’s throw on the opening drive 6 TIMES!!! Yes yes, I’m a lucky guy to have seen that and experience something I love to see so much… you know, the 6 ints on the opening drives of games.

  28. TOM Says:

    Yes, Winston has proven himself to be a turnover machine. He just doesn’t get it & I don’t think he ever will. I do believe he’s uncoachable. He’s just going to continue to do things his way no matter what anybody says. C’mon, five years & he hasn’t progress one bit. Like they say, he is what he is. He will not florish with any other team because no other team has the receivers the Bucs do. I would just like to move on & concentrate on the other FA’s the Bucs have. I’m really sick and tired reading about this Winston crap everyday. Sorry, Winston but the team does not revolve around you no matter what you think.

  29. Mr. Reality Says:

    Joe says: “Joe disagrees with Pioli when it comes to Arians, who might actually admire Jameis’ confidence. And there’s a chance Jameis was just echoing what Arians and other coaches told Jameis every week.”

    I have to disagree. When Arians told Winston to “keep firing” I don’t think he meant don’t worry about giving the ball away, throwing caution to the wind, and to carry over in coming weeks. I think Arians expected Winston to show restraint where bad decisions loomed.

    I totally agree: “But Joe definitely will agree that Jameis might be a bit delusional when it comes to his performance and the value of his overall stat sheet.”

    With about four games left, it became pretty clear there would not likely be a big market for Winston as a starter for somewhere else, and down the stretch he definitely took his price down with those last two games. He could have handed Arians and Lihct and the owners to wins and winning record, and he was more of the same. Don’t tell me about Gay’s kick. That is it’s own issue, but Winston at five years first overall pick still had the game in his hands twice and he threw it away both times.

    Instead of bailing his coach, owners, and GM out for bad decisions to draft and keep him in year 5, he put more fuel on the fire. A lot more pressure on them now. I don’t see the Glazers putting it in Winston’s hands again.

  30. tmaxcon Says:

    TOM Says:

    The bucs organization has proven for 40 out of 43 years they just don’t get it…. When will they get it???????

    This franchise was an embarrassment prior to winston and will remain so until folded or owners sell.

  31. doolnutts Says:

    Don_RyJo(e) — Winston could have said what the greats always say… Winston keeps saying he wants to be great but those comments show he might be content on his own play. Tom Brady in interviews after a super bowl win doesn’t say look at how great I am I am balling. He says I need to get back to work figure out what can make him better. Anyone ever hear Peyton Manning talk about how great he was? Brett Favre? Drew Brees? Does anyone know of any truly elite QB patting themselves on the back? I don’t hate Winston I think we should sign him but he really needs to get his head out of his *ss…

  32. tmaxcon Says:

    SC Bucs Fan Says:
    February 17th, 2020 at 9:20 am

    Not a hater

    of course you are a hater…… playing the pelosi card are you! damn dude be real and own your hate….

  33. miken Says:

    #3’s comments about “ballin” and telling people to check your stat sheetsshow you are either dellusional or have a long way to go as a pro. Odviously, the bucs feel the same way or the would have been contract negotiations a long time ago.

  34. David Says:

    I want to see him throw less and throw less interceptions.
    To do that they need to run the ball more-
    Get a RB!

  35. Alanbucsfan Says:

    Jameis needs an incentive laden contract
    $15 million base
    Bonus for playoffs
    Bonus for 10 wins
    Bonus for less than 15 interceptions
    Bonus for 30 td passes
    In other words, play like a winner, get paid like a winner

  36. LaMarcus Says:

    Who throws for 5k who isn’t ballin? It just got to be Jameis of all people

  37. Tval Says:

    “Thisisouryear” PROVES OUR POINT!!!!
    Thank you for ADMITTING you hate Jameis and it clouds your judgment.
    Thank you, sir!! Dont feel bad you hated a teenager because espn told you to.
    THATS not the worst part. Lol!!! But PLENTY of moron bucs fans have been saddled with the same dilemma from day 1. Sad but true.
    Grow up, kids.

  38. Big_Buc$ Says:

    Okay this is getting crazy. Look we know Jameis Turns the ball over but why is it that Peyton didn’t get killed like Jameis in his first 5 seasons? Look at the numbers 100 ints in 5 seasons but people bash Jameis so much. Men lie Women lie but numbers dont. I’m not defending Jameis but what makes him different? He has no running game never had a good defense and the defense play good the back half of the season to under .500 teams which we should have beat. Just look at the numbers. Jameis Has 88 ints.

    Year Team GP GS Passing Rushing
    Cmp Att Pct Yds Y/A TD Int Rtg Att Yds Avg TD
    16 16 326 575 56.7 3,739 6.5 26 28 71.2 15 62 4.1 0
    16 16 331 533 62.1 4,135 7.8 26 15 90.7 35 73 2.1 2
    16 16 357 571 62.5 4,413 7.7 33 15 94.7 37 116 3.1 1
    16 16 343 547 62.7 4,131 7.6 26 23 84.1 35 157 4.5 4
    16 16 392 591 66.3 4,200 7.1 27 19 88.8 38 148 3.9 2

    Season Team GP GS Comp Att Pct Yds Avg TD Int Rate Att Yds Avg TD
    2015 TB 16 16 312 535 58.3 4,042 7.6 22 15 84.2 54 213 3.9 6
    2016 TB 16 16 345 567 60.8 4,090 7.2 28 18 86.1 53 165 3.1 1
    2017 TB 13 13 282 442 63.8 3,504 7.9 19 11 92.2 33 135 4.1 1
    2018 TB 11 9 244 378 64.6 2,992 7.9 19 14 90.2 49 281 5.7 1
    2019 TB 16 16 380 626 60.6 5,109 8.2 33 30 84.3 59 250 4.2 1
    Total 72 70 1,563 2,548 61.3 19,737 7.7 121 88 86.9 248 1,044 4.2 10

  39. Evolvingbucsfan Says:

    Delusional? probably…. but so was the coach.

    “Secondary is totally fixed” then they went on to play like trash for the first half plus of the season.

    Bucs need consistency in all areas …ALL even coaching.

  40. Morgus the Magnificent Says:

    He was also delusional when he 1. thought the crab legs were free 2. thought the Uber driver was into him 3. thought other students enjoyed his FHITP rant 4. thought it was ok to start a fight during a game while on the sidelines in street clothes. 5. thought it was ok to head slam a defender’s head to the turf after the play 6. thought Erica Kinsmen was into him 7. was eating W’s

  41. Smashsquatch Says:

    Jameis led the league in passing yards and was 2nd in TD passes; however, his penchant for turning the ball over accelerated his own stat pile accumulation. I’m disappointed with his lack of ball security and how he performs under pressure. This decision comes down to money and confidence. Whether you love or hate JW, it’d be foolish to think this decision should be made now. All options must be considered.

  42. Billy_45 Says:

    BA was like “Keep Firing”.

    Then he’s like you threw too many picks see ya!!!

    Yeah right.

  43. Barack's Crack Pipe Says:

    >America’s Quarterback told the world to “check your sheet” (aka look at my stats) because he’s “ballin’” and will be the greatest of the greats if he can cut his interception total.<

    This is a person who is just delusional enough to not know when to be embarrassed. No concept of dignity.

    Even if he starts taking care of the football, is the wild-eyed head-butting, helmet-poking, W-eating, "check your sheet" arrogance really what we want mentoring a young rookie quarterback?

  44. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    Ted Bundy thought he was a ladies guy!!!

    Michael Avanatti & Bill de Blasio thought they could be President.


  45. LordCornelius Says:

    One of Winston’s worst moments / quotes IMO.

  46. Tye Says:

    From his own comment last year:

    “Don’t try to be something that a coach is trying to get you to be.’ You know, you gotta go and be you.”

    To the one this year:

    “I’m ballin’!’

    This shows he has an inflated image of himself believing all the hype he has heard since college.. His ego got puffed up and stroked so much to the point he believes he has the ‘it’ factor and he likely want his success to be by his own hand which will be his own downfall…
    His pride will keep him in the mindset ‘you gotta go and be you’…
    If you think you know everything and are great at what you do, you become unteachable; or in this case, uncoachable!

  47. Robert Says:

    It’s EXACTLY why he is not the future. get BRADY!

  48. Barack's Crack Pipe Says:

    Big_Buc$ Says:
    “But but but Peyton Manning!”

    Then it’s “But Brett Favre!” “But Rapelesburger!”

    Different era, different rules. Bad logic, getting old. Talk about delusional.

  49. Mister Negative Nancy Says:

    Winston should definitely play for Tampa Bay next season…. the Vipers.

  50. coverdeuce Says:

    Delusional might be the right word to describe someone who for years has heard certain media outlets *coughJoescough* basically repeat ad-nauseam that America loves him and his jock smells like roses. 1) Joe has never written or implied that America loves Jameis, only that America has strong feelings about Jameis. Big difference.–Joe

  51. ArmandoG Says:

    I dunno, can anyone name another Buc QB throwing for 5000 yards and 32 tds in one season, while playing on a bad knee, broke finger, no eyesight all behind a matador O line with no run game along with receivers who curl routes they should cut?

  52. Pewter power Says:

    Delusional is the perfect word to describe someone saying their ballin after ending their season on a pick 6. In the words of common if I dont like I dont like it dont mean I’m hatin! I think it did get under BA’s skin because of how he protected winston all season and now keeps saying he can with anyone and doesnt care who the quarterback is. Dont tell the world you ballin after throwing that many picks then getting lasik surgery lol.

    I will say this we killed Geraldine who really seemed to only care about stats and look at the clown winston taking over that role. There was a guy holding back the defense and look what happened, I’m willing to bet the same happens when jaboo is gone

  53. Morgus the Magnificent Says:

    Joe, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT…..calling this delusional turnover machine “America’s Quarterback” for YEARS absolutely implies praise and adoration and yes, love by the masses. To NOW state otherwise is delusional. Joe has explained this many times. You don’t have to believe it, though. –Joe

  54. Admiral Redbeard Says:

    Barack’s Crack Pipe, BINGO!!!

  55. Morgus the Magnificent Says:

    Joe, I don’t. And 90% of your readers don’t. Your intentions may be different from the reality.

  56. Buc1987 Says:

    The length some of you go through to repeat the same crap every day is more astonishing than all the INT’s…

    I mean monster paragraphs of stuff you said yesterday and last week.

    Same peeps too. Astonishing!

  57. ATrain Says:

    TMAX stayed:
    “ piolli another hack patriot that has won nothing on his own… ”

    Well Mr Max My question Would Be what have you won? Or What NFL team do you work for?

    But You call this man a Hack

    True JAMIES LOVER FASHION No Facts Except 5000yrds

    If you don’t agree your stupid or a hack


    and you Sir are Hellen Keller of Football

    Thank Jamies See Ya in Chicago

  58. ATrain Says:

    Jamies is Awesome

    If you don’t think so Your stupid

    He threw for 5000 yrds

    Stop throwing in stats the Kicker lost the games

    Wow I think y’all are delusional

  59. Buc1987 Says:

    BTW…that’s where Winston Derangement Syndrome comes from…

    Some have it worse than others!

  60. miken Says:

    @lamarcus… some one who throws 30 picks, someone who leads the league in turnovers over a 5 year period, a 4 year period, a 3 year period, a 2 year period and a 1 year period.

  61. Buc believer Says:

    Same people that hate Jameis for writing 2 checks to women for sexual harassment are the same people that LOVE Kobe Bryant for doing the same thing back in 02 only he left evidence around her neck in the form of a choke mark. But Kobe is a hero and it’s also not ok to bring it up since he is now deceased. The HYPOCRISY of it all!!

  62. Dapostman Says:


    Welcome to The View.

    Where the ladies get triggered over every Winston article.

  63. Formerly Tampa 2 Says:

    State all the stats that you want to. The bucs have had losing seasons every year under Winston, and that is the “only” stat that counts in the NFL. I will say though, that Winston has been consistent in being inconsistent, and in eating losses.

  64. Pablo Gomez Says:

    Lmaooo this is coming from a former GM not an actual one with a job!!!

  65. Pablo Gomez Says:

    @formerly Tampa 2 they had losing seasons before Winston too 😂😂

  66. tmaxcon Says:


    Im semi retired splitting time between Colorado and Texas. I do very well thanks for your concern that being said not sure how my business success has anything to do with this faile minnor league franchise that has not won a single meaningful game in nearly two decades…. i had my best you in 2015 bucs still finished in basement

  67. T REX Says:

    What Joe calls confidence is actually stupidity. Winston is too stupid to be a QB in this league. See ya Winston and your band of knob gobblers. All losers.

  68. MadMax Says:

    And go be delusional somewhere else please, BYE!

  69. Robert Says:

    F Kobe…. no reason to be admired. he should have done time, as should jdubya

  70. VA Tom Says:

    Jameis shows the same confidence in his future as throwing into triple coverage. It’s his personality.

  71. MirrorMirrowOnTheWall Says:

    stpetebucsfan Says:
    February 17th, 2020 at 9:17 am

    Just curious. Why do you suppose JW engenders so much “hate”.

    First leave the race card at home the league is 3/4’s black.

    You leave the race card at home. Saying that 65% of the league is black would cause you to lose a civil rights case even in Alabama and Mississippi. Get a clue.

  72. ATrain Says:


    So your business success makes you more of an expert than A man working with an NFL team.

    You obviously didn’t pay attention to my post

    TMAX stayed:
    “ piolli another hack patriot that has won nothing on his own…

    But I guess that is normal for Winston Fans
    Ignore the things you can defend i.e. turnovers, throwing behind receivers, problems reading defenses etc….

    Stuck with 5000 yrds
    5000 yrds

    Great stat


    So AGAIN. What makes you more of an expert than the man you called a HACK?

  73. Joe in Michigan Says:

    I wonder if Pioli was delusional when he drafted Tyson Jackson with the 3rd overall pick.

  74. mark2001 Says:

    Let me put it this way… if Jameis thinks that 30 picks is acceptable, and that he will get paid close to 30 mil. for his performance, he IS delusional.

  75. gotbbucs Says:

    There is not a coach in the entire world that would not cringe at Winston’s postgame comments after that Atlanta game.

    There is a huge difference between confidence and delusion.

    Those errant throws that result in pick-6’s arent due to overconfidence, they are due to a total lack of self awareness. Just like his comments after that last game are a total lack of self awareness.

    When you are the supposed “leader” of a team sport like football, a collision sport, where the other players on the field are laying it on the line too, you dont walk up to that podium after you end the season on a pick-6 for your 30th INT of the year and tell everybody to check the stat sheet because you “ballin”.

    If they give this clown big money, get ready for a mutiny the next time an actual good player on the team doesn’t get paid.

  76. BigHog Says:

    This is just another way to bring down a player of color by tagging him with stigma of being delusional….Mr. Big Time Executive your racist Colt45 is delusional ….Mr. 5,000 may be cocky but not the D word …I would say most BALL players of any sport want to be the best…nothing wrong with that!! Sorry …not sorry for the card…sending one to Mr. Big Time Executive as I speak!!

  77. BigHog Says:

    Exactly Mr. gotbbucs…..but got it TWISTED!!

  78. thisisouryear!! Says:

    Tval- I have watched every single game for the last 5 years. Cheering for my team. I’ve seen some things that get me excited and a lot of the other. I’m sick of cheering for someone that is an idiot on the field and at least used to be an idiot off the field. He doesn’t win and he gives the ball away.

    You can blame lack of defense, kicker, etc. Truth is this boy has a mental problem. 1st drive turnovers and majority of the last 5 years doesn’t start to play until the second half. IMO, he’s no better than Fitzpatrick, but it feels like all the FSU fans are going to cheer for him no matter what he does and act like there’s not another QB that could possibly do better than the JW because all FSU fans know he’s ballin!

  79. Destinjohnny Says:

    It’s simple
    Jameis get your pics under 10 and we will all be on board

  80. tmaxcon Says:

    The point you jameis haters constantly ignore due to pure hatred is the fact he is 25 and the only thing he needs to correct is his picks…. this franchise has not developed players at all since 76… along with the worst winning percentage in NFL history bucs have the worst track record in developing players. This is undisputed….players that have been good were good when they got here. I guess you could say they developed the overrated system specific cb in ronde but other than that sapp carried the backup has beens you peopleslobber over. Godwin and evans were talented coming in. Marpet is an overpaid backup starting…. point is you guys are ao quick to give up on talent and run it out of town using the cowardly character card and picks yet this franchise is not capable of developing replacement players or drafting consistently enough to break the cycle so keep running talent out of town that become successful elsewhere and ill keep laughing at the delusional optimists who actually believe this franchise has hope….

  81. Colonel Angus Says:

    For the Winston = Manning crowd:
    Peyton might have thrown 2 or 3 picks early in a game, but when he had the ball at the end to win or tie, more times than not he made the plays to win the game. The same cannot be said for Winston, he’s not money in the clutch. INTs can be forgiven if you make the plays to win, like Jameis did vs the Colts. But that is a rare occurrence with him. I know there have been games where he did get the lead and the D gave it right back. Too many times we have watched him fail to win it on the last drive.

  82. Morgus the Magnificent Says:

    Winston last pass says it all. Clutch indeed.

  83. mark2001 Says:

    Angus.. the comparisons are either disingenuous… or stupid.

    They are all different players…you simply can’t extrapolate one players career to another. Even if we could compare the players physically, we certainly can’t know about their mental and emotional makeup, nor where they are in their development in the position. In that context, comparison is unadulterated silliness.

  84. JimmyJack Says:

    Colonel…….Great point. It was crazy to me because one thing I always liked about Winston was belief he was clutch under pressure. This year really made me question that.

    I also hear what you are saying about the defense gagging up leads but if you remember the final eight games last year the defense did come up clutch late in fourth quarters to win and seal games for us. Dean had a key INT, Bunting had 2 and I think I remember Suh pouncing on a fumble to seal another win……..Even early in the year when the defense had struggles they were still making huge 4th quarter clutch plays….see Rams and Panthers game.

    I said all that about the defense to say that a clutch QB could win a lot of games with this D next year. I do think it should be Winston but he must be better then last year………For some reason the nugglers don’t want to agree(or admitt) that Winston has to improve & it’s a big reason why the debate rages on.

  85. Antonio Wallace Says:

    Once again someone takin another person’s comments out of contexts. Replay jameis press conference and listen for once.

  86. Stanglassman Says:

    Everyone acts like Jameis said Ballin about himself during the season. It’s not true. He was asked about coming back next year resigning team’s playmakers including himself. His reply was that if that happened they’d be ‘ballin’. People also need to consider the timing of when it was said. It’s not like it was in the offseason, it was right after the game when emotions where still raw.

  87. BigMacAttack Says:

    I don’t care if Jameis stays or goes at this point. I just hope they don’t sacrifice the defense to overpay him. 30 interceptions 7 for TDs is horrible and hardly worthy of even backup money. I won’t miss him if he goes and I’ll cheer for him if he stays. I do think Licht’s job is finally on the line now in how he plays this money, who he can keep and how well he can draft. Clock is ticking and I think the Glazers are out of patience. No playoffs this year, no job next year.

  88. Doc Says:

    All these interviews and so call experts, one question, never asked is have you every ,attended a buc game,interview Winston, are met him. If the answer is yes then you can speak, if not shut the hell up.

  89. Mike Evans Goat Says:

    The “I’m ballin” is VERY out of context. The sentence b4 reads “Take away the turnovers” and then “I’m ballin” which he most certainly is.

  90. T REX Says:

    And Winston just threw another pick 6…

  91. Sharthappens Says:

    Joe aka NDog is dillusional

  92. BigHog Says:

    “I’m balling” is nothing more than being confident in ones self !!! And he should have that ….some act like he’s the bottom of the bottom on this at his position…but that ain’t nothing FAKE NEWS….Me. 5,000 is up and coming….turn off the hate and you will see …if the BUCS kick him loose….IMPATIENCE will be the word for the next 10 years!!

  93. lambchop Says:

    I just don’t understand how anyone can think signing Jameis to a 1-year deal AND drafting a rookie QB is a recipe for success. Are you kidding me? Jameis is not going to roll over and be like, “Hey, rook, study the playbook, throw less picks than I do, and the job’s yours.”

    This is not an old vet on his way out. If you have any inkling that you want to draft a QB, you have to dump Jameis.

    The man was threatened by Fitzpatrick for crying out loud.

    Draft and dump or stick with the picks. If you dump Jameis, you get an insurance plan with a vet QB in case your rookie doesn’t start from day 1.

  94. SB Says:

    LaMarcus Says:
    February 17th, 2020 at 10:18 am
    Who throws for 5k who isn’t ballin? It just got to be Jameis of all people

    LOL Idiotic comment. Throwing for 5k with 30 INTs with a Total Losing record as a Number ONE overall pick who was ‘The most NFL ready Player in this draft’ …….

  95. SB Says:

    Mike Evans Goat Says:
    February 17th, 2020 at 6:44 pm
    The “I’m ballin” is VERY out of context. The sentence b4 reads “Take away the turnovers” and then “I’m ballin” which he most certainly is.

    OK but “Take away those turnovers”,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Lol, Who committed them?
    Lol…….”Take away those turnovers”………… That is JW’s JOB!!!!!!!!!!!!

  96. lambchop Says:

    My gut feeling is, the Bucs will offer Jameis a team friendly deal. It’s up to Jemeis if he stays or leaves based on the offer. But, there’s no way the Bucs will overpay for Jameis.

    The Bucs can either get Jameis signed to a team friendly deal and look good, or Jameis walks on his own accord and the Bucs still look good. Bucs are in the driver’s seat with the available QBs in FA. Drafting a QB at #14? I don’t see it happening. There are more talented players that can be had at 14 than a roll-the-dice QB.

  97. SB Says:

    ^^^^ Lambchop.
    Do you think if we exercise the Transition tag on Jameis that Any team is gonna offer us more than that??????
    We will have Jameis for next yr if Franchise tag on Barrett and Transition tag on JW.

  98. lambchop Says:


    Why would they have to Transition tag him? At $24.3M, it’s overpaying for Jameis and he STILL can sign with another team even if we Transition tag him.

    They’re more likely to offer him a short-term contract with the larger sums of money offset to the 2nd or 3rd years knowing they can just cut him after the 1st if he has another 30 INT season.

    I would definitely not use the Franchise or Transition tags on Jameis. He’s too much of a ? at this point in his career.

  99. MadMax Says:

    Hurry! Do a 30 minute flash poll on if jaboo is delusional!

  100. Joe Says:


    Exactly: He said outside of his interceptions, he’s been balling. He was absolutely correct.

  101. Stanglassman Says:

    That’s the problem, the Ballin’ quote is referring next years offense. He’s was ask about whether or not he is coming back next season. He was just talking about getting his WRs back so what he was saying was that in a 2nd year in the system (should lower interceptions) and his WRs back they’d be ‘ballin’. It just lazy reporting by the msm who didn’t listen to the commit in context. Others just parrot what they said because it fits their negative narrative of Jameis.

  102. BigHog Says:

    Drag Mr. 5,000 to the Super Bowl…now that is a DELUSION statement!!! If we kick Mr. 5,000 then the SUPERBOWL is out of the question !!

  103. Stanglassman Says:

    5K Qbs

    Dan Marino, Drew Brees (three times), Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Matthew Stafford, Patrick Mahomes, Ben Roethlisberger.
    And now, Jameis Winston.

  104. Craig Says:

    Jameis is way past being simply delusional. He lives in his own little world. In it he is the Promised One.

    He thinks he is great and that is bad for the team. The way the NFL works right now coaches are not allowed to talk to the players outside of organized team events. That means that it is up to Jameis to be ready for the season.

    So far he hasn’t done that. It is because he is the Promised One</b. His doesn't stink.

    Others have passed for 5,000 yards in a season and been nowhere near 30 interceptions. That is why I don't trust him to be a QB that can lead a team.

  105. ATrain Says:

    Question to the Great All knowing TMAX

    HOW LONG to develop a QB

    Mahomes took a year

    We have had FIVE YEARS of development

    SOOO How long???

    Last year was the tell all year NOW we need another year

    Soo how long???

  106. Stanglassman Says:

    Facts don’t support you. Jameis has organized more offseason practices with his teammates than any other Qb that has ever played for this team. More than most on any current teams too. You can argue that he should play more in the preseason or that some years he’s started off cold and that coaches should take that into consideration. But saying he doesn’t put in the work during the off season is just factually wrong.

  107. tmaxcon Says:


    Jameis is way past being simply delusional. He lives in his own little world.

    Takes a lot of balls to claim you know whats in another man’s head…. you must be a good judgemental Christian maybe even a usher or deacon don’t worry you can make a donation and aconfession at the end and all will be golden

    You haters are so entertaining especially the character police who actually make me look classy with thier grotesque hypocrisy.

  108. tmaxcon Says:


    Considering no qb drafted in franchise history has received a second contract you need not look any further. Nice try and thanks for playing.

    Bucs could not develop maggots from feces the on field results prove it beyond a reasonable doubt.

    All knowing is accurate thanks for getting it right….

  109. Stanglassman Says:

    Just because you can name one Qb who came into the league on a good team and developed quickly doesn’t make it the norm. Drew Brees took about 6 years to develop that’s more typical than Mahomes. Especially Qbs who play on bad teams.

    It’s difficult to take some of these peoples criticisms seriously because they’ve never had anything positive to say about Jameis since he was drafted. He has a good start and they’re nowhere to be found.

  110. Howard Cosell Says:

    tmaxcon Says:
    February 17th, 2020 at 9:53 pm

    Considering no qb drafted in franchise history has received a second contract you need not look any further.

    Slam the gavel. Drop the mic. The jury is in.
    Verdict: Bucs are guilty of institutional negligence dating back to Culverhouse (with a few good years under Malcolm, Dungy and Gruden)

  111. Howard Cosell Says:

    Lol quoting teemax is always a ticket straight to moderation

  112. BigMacAttack Says:

    As far as priorities of resigning free agents, Jameis is right there at the bottom. They can win without him, maybe win with him and can definitely lose with him, a lot.

  113. T REX Says:

    Outside of the interceptions Mrs Lincoln…how was the play?

    You Winston knob gobblers are literally the worst kind of humans. Soft. Pathetic. FSU scum. Low bars in life. Mediocrity is ok. Ugh.


  114. tmaxcon Says:

    T REX once proving what classy bucfan is sll about…. you represent redneck nation well sir keep it up!

  115. Stanglassman Says:

    I think resigning Jameis gives the best chance to win the Super bowl this upcoming season. The majority of Bucs fans and professionals believe Jameis is the best option for the Bucs in 2020 too. You are the only one obsessed with homosexual acts. You’re also the only one who was written “Mediocrity is ok”. If you can quote anyone’s post who has said or even suggest that, do it. Otherwise that’s just very much a minority opinion.

  116. T REX Says:

    Majority? LOL. Stan you are full of mediocrity…like your posts. I won’t even post JBF’s own poll. You’re now a liar as well as a knob gobbler.

  117. T REX Says:

    tmax: No one would mistake me for a red neck. I feel you are playing the race card. Sad dude.

  118. tmaxcon Says:

    Ive never played the race card a day in my life ma’am nice try but once again you come up short…. im a bitter old white guy defending a fine 25 year old African American quarterback the true savior of the bay how the hell is that racist. I hate dungy the clown because he failed in Tampa and is one of the biggest religious hypocrites that has ever trolled earth…. sm i an arsehole yes sir very proud one…. racist not a chance

  119. Stanglassman Says:

    JBF is the only poll you’d be able to find. Although Not the latest one. The times, bucsnation, pewter report and other YouTube polls all had a majority of fans supporting Jameis’s return. Most pundits believe Jameis is the best option for the Bucs in 2020. You are just in the loud vocal minority. I respect people who showed support for Jameis in the past but have now come to the conclusion that it’s time to move on. That’s a very small amount of people. Others like you that never wanted him here to begin with, I don’t take too seriously.

  120. ATrain Says:


    Very good

    Step around the questions don’t answer them

    No QB has had a second contract does not answer the Question

    Umm if I’m a betting man you Sir are a lawyer

    No straight answer to a direct question

    How Long

    No QB had gotten a second contract SO Jamies should because he threw for 5000 yrds

    Maybe instead find a quality QB to develop

    Because Sir Jamie’s has had the same problems since College

  121. Sorryjackchuckiesback Says:

    Hey Joe a lot of people are linking Andy Dalton (you know your favorite punching bag) to the pats and Belichick (you know that guy that your always saying “well if he picks him then he must be good!) You must not be a very good evaluater of quarterbacks huh??

  122. mark2001 Says:

    Stop it Sorry… Johnny football did a great job in a commercial I saw a few days ago…one wondering about a paycheck. You underestimate his thespian skills.

  123. CrackerBall Says:

    I think we should just sign all the DEF players we want to keep, go shopping to fill some select holes with other F/As – and just tell Jameis “this is all we have left – take it or leave it”

  124. Craig Says:

    Tmax, Race card isn’t enough for you, so you have to try religion.

    Sorry, I have a strong grounding in psychology, the kind used by human resource departments. They are specially meant to spot problems like the one Jameis has. Those socially inept things, like his talks to school age girls, his eating “W’s” and so on.

    He is worse than delusional by those measures, you might be too.

  125. tmaxcon Says:


    Get a life pal…. any idiot who claims to know what is another mans head based on a BS hr position or a community college physc certificate is beyond laughable…..

  126. tmaxcon Says:


    First rule of proffessionals never diagnosis without all the facts or personal knowledge. You have neither clown… even that winston hating mathematician tikdr would back be on that…. maybe hr 201 ccovers that and you missed it.

  127. tmaxcon Says:

    By the way the last corporate hr chic i met also gave a top 10 lap dance….

  128. tmaxcon Says:

    i have love for the hr field but not fools consumed with hate.