Not Much Change

January 6th, 2020

Roster shuffling.

Former Bucs coach Dirk Koetter used to say that about a third of a team’s roster changes from season to season. It’s just natural attrition.

If one could place a bet on the changing of the Bucs roster, it seems Jeremy Fowler of BSPN would bet the under.

Fowler wrote an article placing teams in tiers of roster turnover in the upcoming offseason. He sees the Bucs standing pat for the most part, with the possible exception of a certain guy who takes snaps for a living.

Average age of starters in 2019: 26.4 (2nd youngest)
Projected 2020 cap space: $84,297,572 (No. 3)
Big-ticket free agent: Jameis Winston
Low-key important free agent: Ndamukong Suh

Priorities this offseason: The Bucs have the best free-agent class seven wins can buy in Winston, Jason Pierre-Paul, Ndamukong Suh and Shaq Barrett. Tampa Bay has smartly maintained one of the league’s youngest rosters while carving out healthy cap space, but keeping that defensive front seven together is prudent business. Since teams are allowed to double up with the use of franchise and transition tags in 2020 via the CBA transition, maybe use them on Winston and Barrett, while going all-in on a run for the playoffs next season. But don’t give Winston long-term money; you’d be competing against yourselves in that particular market.

The ability to use both the transition and franchise tags could make things quite simple, in Joe’s eyes: You franchise tag Shaq Barrett and you hit Mr. Entertainment, America’s Quarterback, Pro Bowler Jameis Winston, with a transition tag and pray he doesn’t want out.

37 Responses to “Not Much Change”

  1. miken Says:

    “But don’t give Winston long-term money; you’d be competing against yourselves in that particular market”… true, no one is coming after #3 hard with a long term good money offer except tampa.

  2. Mr. Reality Says:

    Winston is not cutting it as is. Why tag him where the net result is pay him more precious cap money than he’s worth and have him be even less loyal to his owners, GM, coaches, and fans than he has been already?

    Offer him a lower end three year deal of $50M over the three years with $22M guaranteed. IF you have to offer him anything. I’m for moving on altogether. Winston needs to go.

  3. Loyaltotheend Section 312 Says:

    Most telling thing is no one else is gonna give Jameis big money do not negotiate against yourself

    Don’t make yourself look stupid and bring up other QBs as no other qb has led the league in turnovers and been ranked 28 in completion percentage and gotten big money

  4. D-Rome Says:

    I think the Bucs are close, real close! The Saints, Panthers, and possibly Falcons are going to be down next season. That Saints team is going to be very different, the Panthers are essentially rebuilding, and who knows with the Falcons. The Bucs have a great opportunity and their front 7 is stellar. Bucs need to upgrade at RT, add a player or two for depth on the O-Line, bring in a veteran safety, and bring in competition for a kicker. Bucs need to draft players on both lines, a RB, and a QB. That’s a total of about 14 new players between FA and the draft, so less than a 1/3rd.

  5. ChanEpic Says:

    D-Rome – SPOT ON!

  6. ben Says:

    Why is Licht still gm after 5 lousy years .. bucs have been bottom feeders in their own division for years!!

  7. Robert Says:

    “pray he doesn’t want out”

    lol…needed the laugh.

    Let him test the market! will probably save us 10 million if we do sign him. no way ANY team would give him any better than 15 mill and incentives and 2 years at the most!

  8. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    We have very few FA needs if we are able to sign all/most of our own players…

    We need to pick up a RT, DE/DT & RB in the draft & that should be no problem at all……the big question is Winston.

    We could use some additional Oline & Dline depth.

  9. Robert Says:

    We need help at safety as well. LT/OL should be top priority behind QB, but I think QB is a FA thing as the team has the pieces and not the time to train a rookie.


  10. Dreghost Says:

    Is it too much to ask for a perennial pro bowl RB and Offensive tackle! Teddy Bridgewater wouldn’t be a bad pick either. But most of all i just wanna win baby

  11. BucsFanSince1976 Says:

    Bucs need an RPO QB and Taysom Hill is that guy. You can see from watching the Saints game yesterday that Hill has a burning desire to WIN and is one of the fastest and strongest QB’s in the league and a darn good thrower of the football.
    The question is-Do we have a GM smart enough to sign Taysom to a sheet??

  12. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    So far so good….it looks like the BA/Bowles influence on developing players, the draft & FA is having some positive impact.
    We have needs but they are very few compared to last year……the emergence of Cappa, Rojo, Davis, Dean, SMB, Whitehead, White is encouraging…..that coupled with FAs Suh, Barrett & Perriman makes our team nearly complete.

    We need….competition at kicker…….a starter and depth on the Oline…..Dline depth…..& RB (that’s not a lot and should be doable in the draft.

    As far as Safety…..I’m content to wait to see if Justin Evans returns healthy coupled with the promise of D’Cota Dixon.

    The Quarterback question I leave open.

  13. Anonymous Says:

    Nobody brings up this temporary transition tag.

  14. Cobraboy Says:

    Both tags?


    I predict this roster will be one of the more stable in the NFL this off season, signing their own free agents aside.

  15. Larry Says:

    No one can tell me that Winston’s can see!!! For the head coach to say he can’t see the score board, which is bigger than than a 747, but he can see open receiver is ridiculous! OMG!!! No wonder he throws so many interceptions. He could get that problem solved for under $5,000. He obviously can’t wear glasses to play in and many people don’t like contacts. A simple surgery to place an internal lenses inside each eye would give him 20/20 vision and would not effect his game at all. It its a very simple procedure. I can’t believe no one has told him to get his vision fixed if he wants to play QB in the NFL. If he were a lineman this would not be an issue. But a QB! He has to be able to see.

  16. Pewter power Says:

    Bucs are not remotely close to the Saints and that has been proven this season. We aren’t considerably better than the Panthers or Falcons so get that out of your heads. That reality would be completely different if we didnt have a quarterback throwing 30 interceptions. But so many people act like it’s not a big deal because of the yards. This team goes turtle when the saints come to town and if you cant beat them, seattle, Vikings for example then you aren’t going anywhere. Situational football is not Winston’s forte and that is key for playoff teams

  17. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:

    Loyaltotheend Section 312 Says
    “Most telling thing is no one else is gonna give Jameis big money do not negotiate against yourself…”

    Keep in mind that is strictly an opinion at the moment. If Winston hits the market, he may end up getting lots of interest. No team is going to say so right now.

  18. BucsFanSince1976 Says:

    Bucs said the reason Vinny Testaverde threw so many picks was that he was color blind.

  19. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:

    “Projected 2020 cap space: $84,297,572”

    This number is currently off by about $6-7 million according to Spotrac.

  20. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:

    Pewter power Says
    “Bucs are not remotely close to the Saints…”

    To be fair, the Saints had the Bucs, Panthers and Lions in their division…all easy wins this year. As soon as they made the playoffs against tougher teams, they lost.

  21. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:

    Fans always want the latest hot name. Newsflash, the names that were hot last year were not so good this year.

    Don’t buy into one-year-wonders.

  22. Loyaltotheend Section 312 Says:


    Wasn’t Jameis a one year wonder?

  23. stpetebucsfan Says:


    Like ChanEpic I think that was spot on.

    Any doubts I may have had ended when our kiddie corps DB’s showed they have grown up shutting down TWO of the top 5-10 WR’s in this league.

    So here’s the question. Believing as you do I wish to sign ALL the defensive players…they IMPROVED! If cap issues mean we can’t afford JW after that….tough darts! JW REGRESSED!!! His int % went up dramatically…he set records as the first 30-30 man and exceeded by double digits the entire number of ints of the playoff QB’s combined. IF that’s improvement? Yeow!!! What are we supposed to hope if we keep JW? The first 40-40 QB? 6% int.?

  24. gotbbucs Says:

    The Bucs will be competing only with themselves for Winston if they want to keep him. There is absolutely no reason to believe that he will get anywhere close to $27 million annually on the open market. Let him go out and find this out for himself. What’s the worst that happens, the team is able to resign the players they want to keep and they bring in a veteran QB that doesn’t throw interceptions on his first pass of the game?
    Lots of people on here cried when they sent McCoy packing, and low and behold the team plays better without him. You’d see the same result with Winston gone.

  25. BrianBucs Says:


    Or pray that he does.

  26. Cobraboy Says:

    Keeping the D front-7 together > keeping Winston

  27. Joe Says:

    Why is Licht still gm after 5 lousy years

    Because Arians wants him and because Arians wouldn’t be here without Licht. We’ve been over and over this before.

  28. Stevebobucsfan Says:

    I wouldn’t say nobody want to come after Winston. Antonio Brown is a complete nut but 2 teams sign him before he was hit with harassment charges. I know Jameis haven’t produced like Brown but just think about the crap Brown had done before he left Pittsburgh and the Raiders traded for him and after all the crap in Oakland the Patriots still signed him so I wouldn’t said no me will want him

  29. Joe Says:

    Nobody brings up this temporary transition tag.

    Did you not read the story?

  30. Defense Rules Says:

    Cobraboy … Spot on: “Keeping the D front-7 together > keeping Winston”. The only way to win with Jameis at the helm IMO is if he has a strong defense & a respectable running game. Joe’s stated that time & time again. And I agree.

    If Bucs do NOTHING with Jameis by 18 Mar when the FA period starts, I think he’ll get several offers (although not in the $27-$30 mil range IMO). There are a number of teams that would like to take a reasonably-priced ‘flier’ on Jameis, just to see if they could ‘fix him’. Our dilemma is that if we DON’T franchise tag him or make an offer that he’s willing to accept, then we could find ourselves missing out on several potentially viable QBs to run our offense & having to draft a QB with no veteran to fall back on if we dilly-dally early in FA.

  31. Show me the TDs Says:

    This sounds to me like a Kirk Cousin(s), Redskins situation. f the Bucs tag JW, where’s the upside? If he plays poorly the Bucs and fans have wasted another year of their lives waiting for the playoffs. If he is OK, but not great do you tag him again? By year 7, if JW finally “gets it”, he’ll be so PO’ed for being tagged, he’ll move on to another team. Bucs lose either way. The time to start over, with another QB is now.

  32. Jeffbuc Says:

    Bucsfqnsince1976 really Taysom hill sign him because he completes a pass every other game on a gimmick play where the defense thinks he is running. If you saw that game yesterday. You would have seen that his 59 yard pass was worse than jameis late and underthrown. The corner was beaten so bad by the route but the throw was so poor the QBs was an 1/8 an inch from deflecting it. Should have been an uncontested touchdown. Sign a guy that has a burning desire to win but has no pedigree of quality football. When we have a heisman winning national championship winning QBs with a burning desire to win already.

  33. Rob In Land O Lakes Says:


    Based on JW3’s draft position, if we transition tag him and someone comes up with a long-term deal that we choose not to match, don’t we get a first round pick as compensation? Please advise.

  34. D1 Says:


    2 1st round picks

  35. Allbuccedup Says:

    Nobody is going to get into a bidding war for Jaymiss services. Just like no one is going to interview Bowles or Leftwich for a head coaching job. Resigning Jaymiss would ensure the bucs will be watching the 2021 super bowl in Tampa from the stands.

  36. Rob In Land O Lakes Says:

    D1- Thank you!

  37. Mrs. Entertainment Says:

    That’s what she said.