Is “Change” Hope?

January 15th, 2020

Bucs GM Jason Licht.

Is change “exciting?” Joe guesses so if you are a fan of a team that is complete and total garbage.

You know the kind, the kind inept Lovie Smith was known for with the Bucs.

Fun times!

You remember the “Tennessee-Ready” game or the “Capitol Collapse?” Or how about the seal-clubbing at Atlanta on a Thursday night nationally televised game?

(Joe doesn’t want to make himself vomit remembering the horrid defensive efforts led by Mike Smith.)

So, yeah, if your team stinks change is good. With the Bucs, Joe isn’t so sure. They finished two games under .500 this season. During the Lost Decade, that is damn near playoff-level ball.

The Bucs seem closer to being a playoff team than they have been in a long time. But Chris Roling of Bleacher Report seems to think the Bucs need change to get back in the playoffs.

That doesn’t always happen in the best manner (Ndamukong Suh, one-year, $9.25 million), but the front office will have $91.8 million to work with this offseason while it retools the roster.

And the changes could include moving on from longtime starting QB Jameis Winston. If head coach Bruce Arians and Co. go that route, they could look toward free agency with someone like Teddy Bridgewater or use a top-15 pick (or a trade) to grab a potential franchise passer.

If nothing else, change is exciting because it offers hope that better complementary talents will surround franchise players such as Mike Evans and Lavonte David.

Could the Bucs use a running back? Abso-freaking-lutely! Other than that, Joe thinks this team is close. The team has three competent corners and shockingly has a pass rush. The run defense is impressive.

And the offense was the best in the NFL at putting the ball in the air.

Get this team a running game and perhaps a safety and this team could do damage.

Change? The key is keeping the free agents.

80 Responses to “Is “Change” Hope?”

  1. MidwestBucsFan Says:

    2017: 5-11
    2018: 5-11
    2019: 7-9

    I mean, technically something needs to change…right?

  2. Loyaltotheend Section 312 Says:

    Clueless Joes bias is so evident in his writing

    Change is ok Joe, especially when you change from 30+ turnovers and putting your suspect d in a bad spot weekly.

  3. 813bucboi Says:

    cant change a zebras stripes….

    JW tossed a ton of picks in college and has done the same here….

    but we know we know….the picks in college were because he was throwing to freshman WRs and of his 30INTs this year only 1 was his fault….lol…

    GO BUCS!!!!!

  4. 813bucboi Says:

    Get this team a running game and perhaps a safety and this team could do damage.
    even if we get a run game, a RT and a safety, if JW throws 20 INTs we’re 8-8 7-9 again next year…..

    imo, in order for us to take the next step, JW has to keep his INT total to 10-14…with 24-26TDs

    JW cant expect the team to elevate their game if he cant elevate his….

    GO BUCS!!!!!

  5. BucMcBruce Says:

    With Jameis we know what we get. Good game, bad game. Before every game i always wonder which JW shows up. A new QB would be interesting. In Buc land the announced decision by the front office to move on from Jameis would be incredible news. Huge. Not sure thats going to happen. But i would support it.

  6. tmaxcon Says:

    Bucs have been a complete laughingstock outside of fluke championship year… you dumbasses blaming a 25 year old fine young man for a failed franchise that has embarrassed the sport of football for the better part of 43 years are too funny…. bucs sucked long before jameis and will suck until a ownership change…. jameis is the only true savior the bay has….

  7. Alanbucsfan Says:

    Get this team a running game and perhaps a safety and this team could do damage.

    On the money, Joe –
    And IMO that means a new RT and another RB with high draft picks and re-sign ALL DLine free agents.
    They may have their safety if JEvans is healthy.

  8. geno711 Says:

    Let’s be honest. Chris Rolig is a 20 something year old who is essentially a Bengals fan that writes fodder for Bengals fans only.

    Not sure why his analysis of the Buc’s has any value.

  9. Aceofaerospace Says:

    Which one of his 7 pick-6’s would not have happened with a better running back this year? His last pick-6 let the wind out of any sail that I had left for him. First play in overtime, at home, against a division rival, when you are in your final audition for a new contract, trying hard not to be the first member of the 30-30 club, he throws that absolute idiotic pick-6. Wether Mr. Pick-6 survives this offseason as a Buc or not, a true back-up, replacement (not named Griffin), has to be in place.

  10. Sport Says:

    one more year under this staff and this system. Maybe less than 1 year? If he he falters in Sept to the raised standards that will be set after his year end evaluation, then you bench him, avoid paying $100+M and go a different direction.

    The QB Whisperer has proven results, If JW doesn’t respond to the coaches, I am 100% confident this staff will find someone who can.

    In BA I Trust!

  11. adam Says:

    when’s the last time JW tooks us on a game-winning drive at the end of a game?? I remember the last game of 2018…and maybe you could count the Giants game this year – but those are the only that come to memory.

    You can call on stats all you want, but wins and shining when it matters most (2-minute drill) are the two key things IMO for a franchise QB…JW hasn’t proven he can do either consistently.

  12. Bruce Blahak Says:

    keeping a poor QB [WinSTUNNED] with a big contract will lead to further ineptness of this franchise. It’s time to turn the corner, without throwing away the team’s future. Sign the defensive guys and ANY QB will be as functional as the HUMAN TURNOVER MACHINE!

  13. AlteredEgo Says: Your comment is awaiting moderation. Says:

    OJ …if not being used should be traded as part of the “change”

  14. JameisWin55 Says:

    Grant Delpit draft status has took a big hit according to reports. He still is very talented and perhaps getting to NFL getting paid is what he needs college game may have gotten boring to him. Trade down in first get RB, get RT in second and take a chance on Delpit with acquired second round pick to finish the secondary rebuild CB-David, CB-Dean, CB-Murphy Blunting FS-Edwards SS-Delpit add a vet for depth problem solved could even sign RT in free agency I’m a fan of Jack Conklin from Titans freeing up second pick to go pass rusher in case we don’t sign back JPP

  15. Señor Harry in Costa Rica Says:

    Yeah, the most important position in the NFL, the position that teams look for a franchise QB for YEARS before finding one (see, Bengals, Chargers, Rams, Bears, Dolphins, Browns, Colts, etc.) and we should definitely invite change bc it is so simple to find a good QB! Brilliant!! You should all be GMs! You can point out all the INTs and you are right, NO ONE is going to argue that point. But if you cannot give recognition to the talent it take to throw for 5,100+ yards and 30+ TDs, it is just because you blind.

    Yes, if some opportunity comes up, like Tannehill on a super cheap salary like last year, go for it. But lets keep even that one in perspective. Tannehill has a monster running game. Tannehill is what he has always been, a game manager. My opinion is to get JW that kind of RB and see if he can cut down on the need to be like Superman. 2020 I see JW having a TD – INT ratio of 2-1

  16. stpetebucsfan Says:

    Excitement can be fun! After a period of time however it finally becomes vomit inducing. I love riding the coasters at Busch Gardens, but eventually it becomes too much. Up and down in dramatic spectacular fashion…it’s much fun…for awhile. Eventually though you HAVE to get off the coaster or puke!

    I frequently rant about hyperbole….but I wonder how many here felt physical symptoms when “Blameless” ended our season in his typical fashion? I can’t say I puked but I was nauseous…I physically felt like sh!t! It was emotionally devastating. This is why this debate has become so passionate and in SOME cases personal.

    Change? I do not want any change on this team except for one position and a couple of additions..a beast sized RB to go with ROJO…and a true stud OL..whether it’s a guard moving Cappa to tackle or just another RT..and as always another edge rusher…then it’s pretty much depth.

    There are a few here who believe if “Blameless’ is released we should blow up the entire team? ????? They believe that this TEAM is not strong enough to win with any other QB than “Blameless Jameis”. I understand their belief that “Blameless” gives us the best chance…but there are emerging inconsistencies in their arguments. “Blameless” ints..pick sixes..fumbles can all be explained away and frequently throwing his teammates under the bus…yet the 5,000 yards were totally on “Blameless”. The 30 TD’s totally “Blameless”. ME..Godwin were lucky to have “Blameless’ to make them stars. These guys were JAG.

    Sadly while “Blameless” gets all the credit for the 5,000 yds 30TDs some of the excuses for the TO’s are at the expense of guys who played far better than “Blameless”

    Our OL..often maligned here…EXCEPT BY JOE who gets it..was not only decent at pass pro they were top ten according to many sources. So NO do not blow this team up if BA decides to give up on “Blameless”.

    Ryan Jensen and Ali Marpet anchored the middle of this Buccaneers’ offensive line and provided some of the best pass protection that we saw from any interior offensive line this season. The guard and center positions for the Bucs combined for an 80.4 pass-blocking grade this season, ranking second among all offenses around the league. Dating back to 2015, Marpet has the 12th-highest overall grade among 55 guards with 2,500-plus snaps.

  17. Morgus the Magnificent Says:

    Why change when you’re a LOSER?? Noooooo, let’s stay the course!! It’s a Bucs’ life.

  18. Bucs Fan Since ‘76 Says:

    What would you do if Tua is available when we pick?

  19. Pewter power Says:

    Is change “exciting?” Joe guesses so if you are a fan of a team that is complete and total garbage.

    Then you go on to reference being Tennessee ready under lovie even though we are almost 6 years removed from that. No wonder no one likes you in the bucs organization, you think you’re being real but actually your reporting is total garbage more often than not. It would be a hall of fame podcast if not for your high school analysis.

  20. miken Says:

    The reason we weren’t a playoff team this year? O.j pick instead of Cook.
    With that being said, with #3 as your QB, you aren’t getting out of wild card weekend… probably ever.

  21. miken Says:

    @bucfan 76… Doesn’t matter, he will be gone by 5 at the latest and someone probably has to trade up to 3 to get him. The Oregon kid will be gone by 7, so unless you like Jordan Love, it’s round 2 for a qb.

  22. LaMarcus Says:

    People dont like change when its themselves or environments. People like change when they can watch from afar.

  23. BrianBucs Says:

    This team in its present form is a QB, RB and an O-Lineman away from being a playoff team.
    Hopefully those will be the off season priorities, starting with the QB position first

  24. TOM Says:

    Hey Joe, didn’t you forget the OT/OL position of need? To me more important than RB or Safety.

  25. stpetebucsfan Says:


    Agree completely IF we sign all our big defensive FA’s.

  26. Robert Says:

    there is no hope as long as jw is the qb

    turnovers lose ball games.

  27. Anthony Dickson Says:

    Teddy Bridgewater? Just how much of a fit do you think that will be. An offense that predicates the deep passing game and a qb’s skill set that is best for 20 yards or less, doesn’t sound like a recipe for success. Marcus Mariota would be a better fit for Arian’s offense than Bridgewater.

  28. BrianBucs Says:

    Bucs need to make a big splash at the QB position. Something that will excite and energize their dwindling and disinterested fan base.
    If not, Ray Jay will continue to empty out, ticket sales will diminish and revenue will decrease. It’s hard and disgusting to watch your team continue to lose because your QB keeps giving away games. Bucs fans can only take so much of that.

  29. Sleepy903 Says:

    10 less ints = 1 win? 1 less int in the final game would have possibly ended up in a win making us 8-8. Take away the last INT against Tennessee if the D didnt give up the lead or the refs didnt blow the fumble dead that makes us 9-7. Take away an INT in the houston game and we are 10-6. So Im sure if you take away 7 more we would probably end up 11-5 or even 12-4 and making the playoffs.

    But that’s not necessarily true either. JW didn’t throw an interception in 4 games and Tampa went 2-2. Beat Jacksonville and Carolina but lost to N.O. and Seattle.

  30. Sleepy903 Says:

    How often does a free agent QB go to a team that hasnt made the playoffs in years make the playoffs and have a reasonable run as that QB being their starting QB? Many teams thought they were a QB away just to waste away. Look at Jacksonville.

  31. Bobby M. Says:

    The opportunity to load the roster up was when Winston was on his rookie deal….That window has closed, you pay Winston, you’ll give up elsewhere. No running game…we’ve seen how that works. No pass rush…we’ve seen that wont work. So something has to give….its either Winston….Winston’s demands….or a unit on the team. Good teams….bad teams….JPP, Suh, Shaq….they produced consistently week in…week out. Pay the “sure thing” first….keep that together because it works. Whatever is left, then goes to Winston and a running game.

  32. Sleepy903 Says:

    I found that someone did the research on a Chicago bears site.

    13 teams in 10 years worth of playoff appearances. That is 13 out of 120 teams. Yikes, that is a 10.8 percent success rate. Out of those 13, only two won Super Bowls. One was Foles as the quarterback of the Eagles, but again he was brought in to be a backup.

    13 teams have had a free agent QB lead them to the playoffs in 10 years. Only two won a superbowl. Foles who wasnt even a starter and Peyton Manning. Denver hasnt had a winning season or decent QB since Peyton retired.

  33. Buc'n Enough Says:

    Licht will screw this up …again..

    Common denominators = Licht & Winston & Glazers= Loosing

  34. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:

    MidwestBucsFan Says
    “2017: 5-11
    2018: 5-11
    2019: 7-9

    I mean, technically something needs to change…right?”

    Unless it already has and Bucs fans are blind to it.

  35. Hodad Says:

    I’ve been hearing this is a playoff team for years now until the season starts. Just like Marpet is a pro bowler, tho he’s never made the pro bowl, and Winston is America’s QB, only all of America, and most Buc fans hate him. Joe, you should write for Trump, both of you live in an alternate universe.

  36. Robert Says:

    brady is coming. he already cleaned out his locker in NE!

  37. Antbanks24 Says:

    You guys realize before this year jameis averaged 14 picks a season right? some of your commentary is hilarious”jameis can’t cut his picks in half”. a 14 pick season and we win 11-12 games with a defense that’s finally performing after 5 years. The guy was literally better than half on average all previous years. Unbelieveable!!!! Bruce and Byron have to figure this out along with jameis.

  38. Dusthty Rhothdes Says:

    Mike Evans should be traded. Listen he is top 5 in franchise history and will be in the ring of honor but if you watch how the high school and college game is changing via throwing the ball; there are tons of top flight WRs available coming up. Trade evans get 2 1st round picks and keep building this team. Get rid of licht too because he is the man responsible for this crap and poor moves the past 6 years

  39. Robert Says:

    agree with dusty on trading ME, as long as JW is gone.

    just don’t think he’ll be the same if he doesn’t have JW throwing hail mary’s for him. might actually have to get open more….and he has value.

    new qb?, then get him a new WR to gel with and more picks or players.

    ME is over rated due to jw throwing him hail mary’s imo

  40. Pewter power Says:

    Everyone not under contract cleans or their locker when the season is over. Doesn’t mean he can’t get a new contract there. He may decide to retire, his comment was after a playoff lose and it was an immediate reaction. I prefer a long term solution to Brady.

  41. MadMax Says:

    Jordan Love
    Mechi Becton
    Zack Moss or Kyle Dugger
    Darryl Williams
    Patrick Taylor jr.
    TJ Vasher

  42. MadMax Says:

    Man if we could land Brady and have Love sit behind him for a year…whew boy, that would be dreamy!!!

  43. El Buco Realisto Says:

    If the plan is to bring everyone back, then the joes`s and the 100 sheep in the stands can hope and wish while watching another wasted season!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Can’t wait for about midseason and read the stories that joe will write about how the franchise has let down the QB and because of that his end is finally coming, even though the “real” fans knew it years ago!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Go bucs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  44. Tye Says:

    When a guy repeatedly has thrown interceptions in the 1st drive of the game to put his team behind from the beginning and repeatedly thrown interceptions on the final drive that could have won you the game if not for him, then you don’t have a quality qb’…

    Having the best built team when your qb (most important position) is a detriment, a liability to success then you are still losers…
    A quality QB will elevate the quality of play from others because they won’t be expecting their qb to screw everything up for them in the end!

  45. D-Rome Says:

    Could the Bucs use a running back? Abso-freaking-lutely! Other than that, Joe thinks this team is close. The team has three competent corners and shockingly has a pass rush. The run defense is impressive.

    I agree with you, Unreasonable Joe. The Bucs are actually closer than they have been in MANY years. The 2016 season where the Bucs went 9-7 was a fluke. Unfortunately…….

    “Interceptions lose football games.” – Bill Polian

  46. D-Rome Says:

    Can’t wait for about midseason and read the stories that joe will write about how the franchise has let down the QB and because of that his end is finally coming, even though the “real” fans knew it years ago

    I agree El Buco Realisto.

    When Jay-Miss continues to throw the team out of football games we will get article after article about how the Bucs failed to get this guy, or get him enough weapons (HA!), or provide him with a better offensive line, or how we allegedly never had a running game, or that he never had a chance because he was drafted by a bad team, ect….Most of them will be written by Unreasonable Joe. Lovie Smith will be blamed even though he hasn’t been here in over five years.

  47. BucEmUp Says:

    The defense was the worst in the league for the forst half of 2019. Had they played the full season the way they played the second half and they woukd be 10-6 WITH the ints and bad running game.Fix the running game(playcalling) and they are an 11 or 12 win team WITH the ints.

    Dumb fans look at the wrong things to.fix.Jameis isnt the problem

  48. Bruce Blahak Says:

    no running game and defensive problems all stated as handcuffing WinSTUNNED…Do any of you watch the games? He makes horrid decisions and stupid turnovers at the very worst of times, like digging the team into a hole or f*cking it up in the end. We see it over and over and some stupid people still defend him. Unbelievable! Oh, and he’s a tireless worker in preparation. There is your #1 clue there to potential after 5 frickin years. HE HAS HIT HIS CEILING! Will never get better, like you all are blindly hoping….

  49. BucEmUp Says:

    And how much did Jamies thumb damler his ability to throw the ball to end the season?

  50. 813bucboi Says:


    dont get sucked into @realist’s BS!!!!!!!

    he was wrong about dirk and smitty from 2016-2018….and he’s been wrong every since….

    BA will channel his inner mike vbarel and sit JW if things get as hairy as realists mother’s legs!!!!!!!

    GO BUCS!!!!!

  51. 813bucboi Says:


    JW played just as bad the first half of the year….lol…JW was the worst QB in the NFL the first half of the year…from week1-week8 he had 10 INTs….lol…

    week1 3INTs including a pick6….
    week17 2 INTs including a pick6….

    he started and finished the year the same….pick6s….

    JW only had 1 game where he didnt turn the ball over and that was in week2….and it took a VHG game saving tackle to get that W…..not a game winning drive by JW…..

    he beat INDY and DET with a banged up thumb so that excuse is invalid….

    go search for excuse #5110….

    GO BUCS!!!!!

  52. JimmyJack Says:

    Agreed about RB…..Probably Safety too. Would love to know what Bowles is thinking.

    But I hear all y’all clammoring for this Delpit guy. Watched him in the Championship Game and was immediately impressed with that sack. After that he looked like he didn’t know where to be. Out of position, blowing tackling angles………I mean dang, for all the hype y’all gave him I’m sure as heck didn’t see it. Admittedly it’s the only time I ever saw him but I’ll pass.

    Now that #11 for Clemson that guy’s a player. I’ll take him. Dude was on the ball every stinking play. He will gobble up every forced fumble White, David and Barrett force……..That fumble White made on Carson in Seattle? We win that game if ya got a guy like #11 playing like he did.

  53. Bird Says:

    Mike evans overrated


    What are you guys smoking
    Randy moss is the only other receiver in NFL history with 6 straight 1,000 yard seasons. No one else in that category

    Plus i would like to see him with a potential other qb that gets ball out quick to see what he can do. He is faster then people think. He caught 12 tds his 1st year (without jameis ) if i remember – catching passes from mccown and mike glennon.

  54. gotbbucs Says:

    Why is 15-20 interceptions acceptable to some of you? All I keep reading is “if we can just get Winston back around that 15 interception number we can win”. Why is that acceptable, because 15 interceptions is lower than 30?
    Elite QB’s in today’s game throw less than 10 per year, and most are closer to 5 than 10. Why is it alright to pay Winston elite QB money but not expect elite results? 5000 yards and 30 TD’s mean diddly poop if that QB is going to give the ball away 25+ times a year.
    He doesn’t make smart decisions, pure and simple. That goes for the playing field and life in general. I think when we drafted him we all imagined that he would mature and figure things out. Just because he knocked his girlfriend up and had a baby doesn’t mean that he’s all grown up. Plenty of dipsh!ts get married and have kids, it doesn’t mean they’re any less of a moron.
    Change when change is needed is never the wrong decision, too bad nobody told Winston that before.

  55. Craig Says:

    Unless your name is Cleveland, change is always hope.

    Even they would agree that Jameis is a lost hope. He had everything lined up for in the last two games of the season and he gave them away. After a winning streak with a minimal running game, it was a serious letdown, yet again.

    I would still like to see Delpit considered in the first round. The nagging injuries of this season might squash hope of his return to form.

    Good runners and lots of good QBs left in round 2. If Fromm or Eason is around I would go that way. If not, Travis Etienne of Clyde Edwards-Helaire.

    J.K. Dobbins will probably be around in round three. Might be stretch in round two.

    I think Adrian Killins will make it to round four. That might be a good fit if the Offensive linemen are going fast and a good one is still around in 3.

    Gotta hope Jameis agent won’t budge from that $35 million a year stance and Licht waves goodbye.

  56. gotbbucs Says:

    If at this point you’re still rooting for this guy to come back, then you are a Jameis Winston fan, not a Bucs fan. You don’t care about the other 52.

  57. mark2001 Says:

    Could the Bucs use a QB that isn’t the ringmaster for the 30/30 club? One that thinks he is worth 30 mil. a year plus? Abso-freaking-lutely.

  58. mark2001 Says:

    I was right about Gruden…Smith…Schiano… Koetter.. and will be right about Arians. Watch and see. Arians will make us a play off team. And likely without Winston, BTW… It isn’t about talent in the later case. It is just that he can’t help but have brain flatulence and throw up a duck about a half dozen times a game……at best missing receivers…at worst, pick 6’s.

  59. mark2001 Says:

    Oh, and who really though Raheem was ready for a HC position?…He still isn’t.

  60. Dusthty Rhothdes Says:

    Craig there is nothing different from Cleveland and the bucs…nothing at all…maybe some more positive hope in cleveland because of the change

  61. JimmyJack Says:

    Dusthy if Don’t got no hope in the Bucs then you aren’t saw what they did in the back half of last year.

  62. Tbbucs3 Says:

    It’s baffling how some people who think they know football actually think the Bucs have been just 1 QB away from winning throughout the years.

    Jason Lichts inability to build a defense have been the #1 problem that has hindered this team throughout the years.

    The Bucs played 5 weeks of good defense in the 2d half of the year and Jameis haters like to pretend we had a good defense in 2019. Very 2016 like.

    Nevermind having a top 10 scoring offense for the last 2 years, we need check down Teddy to fix the team!

  63. Tbbucs3 Says:

    Welcome to the world of Jameis haters where they value a QB simply not throwing interceptions > scoring points, throwing touchdowns, moving the football on a consistent basis and playing good defense.

  64. Buccfan37 Says:

    It can’t hurt to see what other team may have interest in Winston. Probably none as a starter. This woe are the Bucs is a special attachment that lingers for decades. Winston is the sparkle in Lichts eye. So the waiting game continues.

  65. Defense Rules Says:

    Is ‘Change’ hope? I had to go back & re-read the title after reading all these comments. I would HOPE that the answer lies in what the change is (or was). Change just for the sake of change rarely works out in my experience. For example, several have bantered around trading Mike Evans. But to even offer that up says virtually nothing WITHOUT offering up alternatives to take ME13’s place & how those ‘proposed savings’ would be used.

    We’ve got a WR in Mike who’s put together SIX consecutive seasons of 1,000 receiving yards or more. Who would you bring in who could produce at that level for you? And how much would it cost you to get that level of performance? How would you spend the $18 mil you’d save by trading Mike Evans? (His dead Cap of $18 mil precludes you from outright releasing him BTW). Would you ‘buy’ Derrick Henry for $11 mil (his Market Value) & re-sign Perriman for $7 mil (IF he’d sign for that)? Would those two players be a better use of $18 mil for the Bucs as a TEAM?

    So many questions, so few answers. It’s easy for commenters to type ‘Trade Mike Evans’, then move on. But it’s not nearly that easy for BA & JL & others to analyze proposed actions like that. TEAM BUILDING is a bit more complex than just throwing spurious ideas out on the internet just to see if anyone bites.

  66. MadMax Says:

    @Jimmy, yeah #11, Simmons. My number 1 i really want, been saying it….but hes def going to Carolina now that Luke retired, he’s a top 10. Delpit is great at coverage but his tackling isnt so great because of his size. Im torn on him. I’d like him but not at 14….go read up and watch some vid on Kyle Dugger….thats the safety i think we need, can get him in the 3rd.

  67. gotbbucs Says:

    I don’t think anyone here thinks the Bucs are just “1 QB” away from winning every year, but here’s the think fella, you can have everything else on your team perfect but your QB can still give the game away with one garbage pass. If Winstin has proven anything in the last five years, it’s that he is more than capable of doing just that at any given moment.

    What’s easier to do, get yourself a QB that can elevate the players around him to play above their skill level or at the very least not have a seemingly endless way of giving the ball away, or…..make sure the other 52 guys on the roster are perfect so that they can bail out the crappy QB?
    Are elite QB’s hard to find? Yes, to a point. I do know that if you don’t have an elite QB and you think there is another QB, while maybe not elite, out there that can do more to help you win than help you lose then you owe it to the fan base to make that change. Especially when the later is potentially going to cost less and allow you to do more to the other 52 available spots on the roster.

  68. LordCornelius Says:

    Realist is just a dickhead trying to make everyone mad every year. Not sure I’ve seen any (?) human connections/moments made between him and any other fan here unless it’s someone just agreeing with something he said. Dude is talking to a mirror on the internet for the sake of spewing misery or god knows what.

  69. The Coroner Says:

    Yes, Joe.
    Also add an upgrade tackle.

  70. Defense Rules Says:

    Joe, off subject I know but I’m bewildered about something & it does tie into our passing attack. One of the information sites that I really appreciate is Pro-Football-Reference. They have some fascinating ‘Advanced’ stats that I can’t figure out how they could possibly generate (where it says ‘See more Advanced Stats here’). Some really cool stuff for passing, rushing & receiving but I still can’t imagine how they gather the information. It says they get their data from ‘SportRadar’ … very impressive, but never heard of that. Is that NexGen Stats that you mention periodically?

    For instance, on looking at Barber, RoJo & Dare’s 2019 receptions, the 3 of them were targeted 110 times, caught 82 (75%) for 710 yards (8.7 YPC). All well & good until you look at the ‘Advanced Stats’ which shows that the 82 catches only traveled 105 yards in the air (YBC – air distance pass traveled BEFORE being caught) and that the 3 of them picked up 605 yards AFTER the catch (YAC). The math works out, but the numbers seem bizarre (ie, the VAST majority of their receiving yards came from YAC).

    Just as bizarre though was Chris Godwin’s numbers … 121 targets, 86 catches (71%) for 1,333 yards (15.5 YPC), but with 756 YBC & 577 YAC. That’d mean that the average pass from Jameis to Chris only traveled 8.8 yards in the air, but that Godwin got an additional 6.7 yards AFTER the catch. That’s super-impressive considering that only RoJo (9.2 YAC) & Barber (7.1 YAC) did better than Chris in terms of YAC on the season. Matter of fact, Bucs’ receivers in total accounted for 1,873 YAC on the season … over one-third of the yards that Jameis passed for. That says a LOT for our receiving corps IMO.

  71. JimmyJack Says:

    MadMax sorry to hear Simmons(thanks forgot his name) is out of reach for the us. Back to the drawing board. I wouldn’t mind seeing us go after a top RB. Somebody here told me that Clemson back is someone to keep an eye on. Gotta admitt he did look pretty flashy. Saw him catch some balls too & he looked smooth doing it. That might be a dynamic Bryon would like to add to the offense. We just ain’t got the backs to do it.

  72. catcard202 Says:

    If the FO circles the wagons & keeps JW3/Front 7 FA’s (minus Suh) from hitting the market…This team is only a few break-out performances short of being a real play-off/SB contender.

    A healthy season for Cappa would solve the RG concerns…And help better establish running lanes. But the team desperately needs upgrades at RT / RB & depth at S / LB / DL / Swing G-T..As well as a developmental C that can take starters role in 2021.

    If the FO can lock in JW3 & most of the Front 7 FA’s…While also luring UFA DE Leonard Williams from NY, RT Daryl Williams from CAR & RFA RB Kareem Hunt from CLE. Look out!

    Not worried about CAP #, as there’s still ~$10M in additional cap space above the $91M starting # that could be opened up, by moving a few non-productive or over priced contracts via trade/cut…(Brate is $6M that needs moved!)

  73. D1 Says:


    You hit on something that has been missed all season. How many times have you read comments suggesting the bucs need to include more short passes?
    Slants is the most mentioned route ever on jbf

    . Let’s acknowledge one massive contradiction right now, the exact same posters who know how to fix the team by using more short passes, turn around and proclaiming we don’t need a check down charlie QB.

    There’s a couple sites that break down pass distribution by areas thrown to and completions. 70+% of the teams passing targets are within 10yds of the Los. Anyone can extrapolate that yac has a significant role in the stats sheets.
    It’s been one of the most improved areas across the board but it’s seldom mentioned.

    If you want to consider some interesting data, look at Winston’s per game qbr score and work from there. I’ll let find the right relationship between that and another interesting find. When you do, I’ll tell you it’s a relationship that is time tested and league wide.

  74. Defense Rules Says:

    D1 … I think that’s why RBs like Kamara are at such a premium right now. Kamara was targeted 97 times & caught 81 (83.5%) for 533 receiving yards. Interestingly he had 550 YAC (yup, you read that right). His YBC was MINUS 17 yards … THAT’S what you call an impressive weapon. Catch the ball BEHIND the LOS & still average 6.6 YPC.

    Just as an aside BTW, Michael Thomas had 149 catches for 1725 yards, of which 587 was YAC; almost exactly the same YAC (577) as Chris Godwin had with 63 FEWER receptions. So yes, we do need to find a way to keep Chris Godwin in a Buccaneer uniform after this year.

  75. Stanglassman Says:

    It would be just like the Bucs to finally have everything in place and drop their Qb so they can be the lovable losers for another decade.

  76. Buccaneerscotty Says:

    What are you talking about? We are losers it’s time to dump America’s turnover Machine 30 ints and 12 fumbles see ya! I don’t care about his passing yards it doesn’t equal wins dagnabbit he can’t read a nfl defense period NEXT

  77. Buczilla Says:

    Another national writer that does not do his homework. Teddy Bridgewater is damaged goods and would get mutilated in Arian’s offense. I don’t think that Jameis will ever be a franchise guy, but I’ll take him over Bridgewater every single time.

  78. Anonymous Says:

    Real Bucs Fan Say:

    tmaxcon has been a complete laughingstock of a fan—never even had a championship year…

  79. D1 Says:

    Defense rules,

    Great find , kudos!

    To your point, I literally had to stop and reread those numbers to make sure I wasn’t mistaken. Once I verified I did not make a mistake, holy cow!
    That’s impressive.

    On that point, if you consider the “lack of production ” by OJ at the T.E. position and the play He made on a screen pass early in the season, I really don’t know what to think of B.L. not getting OJ the ball more frequently with similar plays. Moving him out to slot or in a bunch set, and a quick screen pass and let the 6th 6 supremely gifted athletic freak get a chance to accumulate massive YAC numbers. The guy is a massive mismatch when spread out wide , and it seems to put him in a position where he’s comfortable, why BL didn’t have this as a part of his regular play sheet is odd.

    I mention this because last year we didn’t have the type of players you referenced . The best alternative, imo, would have been OJ. Moving into next season I certainly agree that acquiring a RB with exceptional open field ability should be on the list of players to sign.

    In addition, I’d like to see a big , fast , power back who could break tackles on the first level and exploit the space that this style of offense creates between the first and second level. The space has been sitting there all year and neither of our 2 primary backs where able to exploit it with much regularity. Possibly, its due to limited attempts but that’s highly debatable.

    Just looking at those numbers again highlights the need for the offense to acquire a player capable of that type of production.

    Great job locating that stat line.

  80. Bobby Says:

    So, how much would you be willing to give up to trade up for Tua? I’d put him on par with Burrow. I think he’s a franchise QB but what would you be willing to give up to get him?