Report: Jameis Wants $30 Million+ Per Year, “Would Be Extremely Unhappy With A Franchise Tag”
December 24th, 2019
This should make for good Christmas dinner conversation.
A second report from a credible source has emerged regarding Jameis Winston’s contract demands.
America’s Quarterback’s rookie contract expires after this season.
First it was Pat Kirwan of CBS Sports and SiriusXM NFL Radio talking about Jameis’ lofty contract demands last week. Today it’s JC Cornell, head man of The Draft Network. See his Twittering below. Cornell isn’t the biggest name in the land, but what makes his comments especially interesting is that Bruce Arians’ son Jake works regularly for the The Draft Network.
Cornell says Jameis wants more than $30 million annually and “would be extremely unhappy with a franchise tag.” Poor Jameis, that franchise tag would be only be about $27 million. How could he ever support his family on that kind of haul.
This report reminds Joe of when former Bucs receiver Antonio Bryant moaned publicly about how getting slapped with the 2009 franchise tag for about $9 million would be a hardship.
Joe hopes the franchise tag will be enough for Jameis. He certainly seems like the perfect candidate for it.
#GoBucs scoop on Jameis:
I have heard Jameis is looking for over $30M a year in an extension. Would be extremely unhappy with a franchise tag. There are other markets that would value Jameis much more than Tampa Bay. Chicago comes to mind.
— JC Cornell (@CornellNFL) December 24, 2019
December 24th, 2019 at 2:47 pm
You Damn RIGHT sounds like fair market value to Me!!
December 24th, 2019 at 2:50 pm
Good bye and good riddance! All you Winston knob gobblers can take the next train outta Tampa. See ya losers. You’re all a bunch of losers. We don’t want ya.
And dear Winston…30 million? BUWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
You suck dude. Hell no.
December 24th, 2019 at 2:53 pm
Has this guy watched himself play? Or is he like some millennials who think they deserve to get paid a salary based on what their moms is tell them about how wonderful they are? He’s not that good. Certainly not worth $30 million a year.
December 24th, 2019 at 2:54 pm
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!!!!!!
December 24th, 2019 at 2:55 pm
Bwahahahhaahaa…OK….Minus a $1,000,000.00 for every INT over 10
December 24th, 2019 at 2:55 pm
Negotiation tactics
December 24th, 2019 at 2:56 pm
@TRex
Why do you care what he gets? Its not your money stop worrying about the next mans hand. Let market dictate you can go find another team to root for better yet go play in traffic idiot.
GO BUCS!!
December 24th, 2019 at 2:57 pm
This is the beginning of the end. Thank god. We can part ways with that POS.
The human pick machine who thinks he’s Brett Favre. He couldn’t hold Brett’s jock or carry his bags.
Winston=loser
December 24th, 2019 at 2:59 pm
Sound like he’s looking for that Jared Goff money. It’s going to be tough to pay him that much with the high number of mistakes he consistently make. The upside is there but the mistakes haven’t decreased over his 5 years in the league.
December 24th, 2019 at 3:00 pm
@ bucallnight, why do you care? Freaking toolbag. Respect your betters. I care because he doesn’t deserve $5 dollars. I’m a BUCS fan not a Winston crotch muncher like you. Bucs first, Winston is nobody. When he’s gone are you gonna cry? Here’s a tissue wussy. LOL.
Best XMAS ever. Winston is gonna run himself outta town.
AMEN!
December 24th, 2019 at 3:00 pm
Transition tag, I’d take my chances matching what’s offered
December 24th, 2019 at 3:01 pm
Bucallnight- Because we need that money for other talent.
December 24th, 2019 at 3:01 pm
Has no leverage for that amount after that game.
Franchise tag looming LOL!!!
December 24th, 2019 at 3:02 pm
I would pay to get him off this team.
December 24th, 2019 at 3:05 pm
Glennon-18M
Bradford -20M
Cousins -28M
—–
Winston – 31M
Cap going up every year…
[Nothing to see here]
Pay him or add him to list of QBs to leave Tampa and WIN a ring. Young, Williams Simple as that
December 24th, 2019 at 3:07 pm
Wow
Jamies is like the politicians they want to get paid for doing a bad job
December 24th, 2019 at 3:07 pm
This is the route to go…..I don’t think any other team would pay more and if they did we could match it or get 2 1st round picks….
A “non-exclusive” franchise player must be offered a one-year contract for an amount no less than the average of the top five cap hits at the player’s position for the previous five years applied to the current salary cap, or 120 percent of the player’s previous year’s salary, whichever is greater. A non-exclusive franchise player may negotiate with other NFL teams, but if the player signs an offer sheet from another team, the original team has a right to match the terms of that offer, or if it does not match the offer and thus loses the player, is entitled to receive two first-round draft picks as compensation.
December 24th, 2019 at 3:08 pm
LOL, No way dude but go ahead and demand that from someone else…..
We’re drafting your replacement, Jordan Love!
Too much crap there that just isnt worth it man. Maybe 20 mill for 2 years while we ease Love in. And i dont blame you, I’d HATE THE FRANCHISE TAG TOO, 27 MILLION….YOU FKN KIDDING ME? GTFO!
A Mill for each interception youre probably gonna throw next year….no fkn way dude!
December 24th, 2019 at 3:08 pm
@Wesley
I hear ya but we will have more than enough space to handle our offseason business. Remember all it takes is one team.
December 24th, 2019 at 3:08 pm
Bucallnight, I’ll bet you $1k(that you don’t have) that he never wins a super bowl as a starting QB. Bet?
December 24th, 2019 at 3:09 pm
Is he for real? What has he done for us? His stats are all meaningless if he continues to turn the ball over. This organization has done nothing but stand by him. He should take less money to help us win and because he is not (yet) a top tier quarterback. He needs to start beating more division opponents too. This makes me sick
December 24th, 2019 at 3:10 pm
It’s only paper money printed at warp speed making every existing dollar worth less. $30,000,000 dollars was like $1,000,000 40 years ago. Living high on the hog is expensive.
December 24th, 2019 at 3:11 pm
Seeing your presser after the game, JW#3, was all i needed to see to say see ya…maybe a 2 year deal if you’re willing to do it cheap.
December 24th, 2019 at 3:11 pm
I think Jamies representatives just want him to be paid what the market will pay him.
If he isn’t resigned or franchised he would likely get paid more than $30MM per year.
December 24th, 2019 at 3:12 pm
We gots others to pay!!!!!!!!
December 24th, 2019 at 3:12 pm
Bye Bye JW its been Real sociopath
December 24th, 2019 at 3:13 pm
F-ing GO!. Do Not Stop! Get the heck out of here you pick-throwing Uber-grabbing, lying, team-liability. I cannot wait until the doorknob hits your as$. You will not be missed (except by the rest of the NFC South).
December 24th, 2019 at 3:13 pm
Players don’t make demands agents make demands. And Agents are paid to get as much as they can for their guy. Fact.
December 24th, 2019 at 3:17 pm
Anybody know where 30 million would put Jameis in the QB pay ranks? Serious question.
December 24th, 2019 at 3:19 pm
Look. Here’s the dilemma. You have a guy like Winston who can make all the throws. I mean elite level throws that shock you aka the TD to Watson Sunday.
He’s in his first year with Arians. He’s done some things this year no other QB in the 100 year history of the NFL has done. He’s second in passing yards only to Peyton Manning in his first five years. We’ve run off how many QB’s that have gone on to win Super Bowls with other teams? I’m not ready to see Winston go yet. I’m not willing to give him 30 mil a year yet either. I think franchise tag him and give him one more year with Arians. If there’s no turnaround in the turnovers then move on. If his good side was just average then I’d feel differently but his good side is elite. These guys aren’t easy to find. Patience. Yes it’s been five years but it’s also been how many different coaches and coordinators? Another year isn’t too much to ask. It’s a safe bet that if he turns this around everyone who’s screaming for him to be gone now will be ecstatic and saying how they were pulling for him all along. Build the O-line and get a running game and I’m willing to bet JW will be fine.
December 24th, 2019 at 3:20 pm
Bolby- EXACTLY!! Transition him for 4 mill less than the franchise tag (he’s worth maybe 25mill max) and see if another team wants to cough up 30 million for him. if the bucs want to match, then they match and it’s the market. My position would be to let him walk at 30 million and collect the draft picks.
The measuring stick for what’s “better” than Winston is a little funny to me. Wentz is better than Foles, but Petersen was able to win with Foles. There might be someone out there that Arians believes is serviceable that wouldn’t cost so many games with turning the ball over. Either way, let the market actually set Winston’s value.
December 24th, 2019 at 3:23 pm
@TREX
U were part of the Glennon mob werent you?
Yall smoking Crack if you think BA will use his last 2 years to groom a rookie now that we a FINALLY have a legit Defense.
Btw use that 1k to fix the roof of ya trailer youngin.
Go Bucs!!
December 24th, 2019 at 3:25 pm
Bobby, Your argument that he makes “elite” throws is undermined by the fact that he FREQUENTLY screws up basic throws. He has for 5 years in the prows. These INT’s are not usually the “trying to do the impossible” throws, they are the basic things like throwing an out route. He is not what you think.
December 24th, 2019 at 3:25 pm
Screw him … If that is true and the Bucs give it to him, then I gotta be done with this team. After 45 years, this is the breaking point.
December 24th, 2019 at 3:26 pm
*Pros Ha!
December 24th, 2019 at 3:28 pm
Jw needs to be resigned.
Bucs: dont let these unathletic guys tell you what do with athletes. These probably couldn’t cut it in golf let alone tell u what to do with gladiators
December 24th, 2019 at 3:29 pm
Franchise him and then find his replacement. Franchise him the following year if you have to.
December 24th, 2019 at 3:29 pm
If bringing dalton. Bridgewater , Mariota. Newton , Keenum etc will demand 20-25m at least. Why not give him 30m but all must be earned by playing smart and eliminate some turnovers.
The int that kill me are those pick 6 type of throws. Or straight to the defender. I’m ok with the jump ball to Evans or taking your shot. But his demands are imo high. So his asking for multi year contract – then 30M plus. Not good. I mean yes there’s a positive to his play but his negative out weight the good.
December 24th, 2019 at 3:29 pm
Help me remember a few games where Jameis has brought the team back to an important win….or ANY important win in 5 years… less one game
December 24th, 2019 at 3:30 pm
@ bucallnight – that’s what I thought. How big is the stained Winston poster in your room at your parents house?
December 24th, 2019 at 3:30 pm
People….
Glennon did not get 18M a year. Google the structure of his contract. Jesus!
Stop with the Manning comparisons – the only think they have in common is the position. Winston is NOT and NEVER WILL BE an elite QB
December 24th, 2019 at 3:31 pm
It’s Christmas Eve Joe…..don’t be putting this stuff on us……give us some peace for a couple of days at least!!!
December 24th, 2019 at 3:32 pm
Yeah Lamarcus, that’s how it works. I imagine if you could beat up your financial planner, then you know more about global monetary theory than he does.
It’s simple, interceptions and fumbles (especially his specialty pick-6’s) hurt your team horribly. I get that even though I cannot bench 273 lbs.
Stop
December 24th, 2019 at 3:32 pm
LOL…wait until everyone sees the package Patrick Mahomes signs…PLUS the HUGE endorsements…now that is the market for elite NFL QB’s…any EVERYONE in KC is happy with the money spent
December 24th, 2019 at 3:33 pm
If we let him just walk at the end of this season, we’ll have made a 5-year investment that returned NOTHING. THAT’S not good business.
Non-exclusive franchise tag him at the end of this season first like TBBF says … THEN see what happens. IF another team is willing to make him an offer, FINE. We either get to match it (MIGHT be a low offer?) OR we get TWO 1st-Round picks back to build with. I bet the Bengals would trade their #1 pick for TWO 1st Round picks (if necessary, offer them an additional pick of ours to sweeten the pot).
IF no other teams make him an offer, he’d still be under contract to us for a year (for roughly $27 mil) and we could TRADE HIM if we choose. Never know how something like that MIGHT work out.
In either event, players (or agents) who play the ‘He’ll be VERY UNHAPPY if you franchise tag him’ game irritate me. The only people who have a right to be VERY UNHAPPY at this point are the people who Jameis has let down with his various ‘performances’ … such as his teammates and Bucs’ fans.
December 24th, 2019 at 3:36 pm
T REX
I’ll take that bet.
December 24th, 2019 at 3:41 pm
Jordan Love, that’s who you want to replace Winston. Smh back to back years drafting a QB. Well at least that’ll get us Justin Fields in 2021 and a restart to hopefully make the playoffs by 2025
December 24th, 2019 at 3:42 pm
If this is true, the franchise his dumb-a**, let’s him get all disgruntled and watch him throw 35 picks next year.
All his good stuff is basically washed out with his constant turnovers.
Bye!
December 24th, 2019 at 3:43 pm
Jameis getting paid really triggers lots of you’ll.
12 Qbs in the history of the NFL have won a Super Bowl. Do I think Jameis will win one? Yes. Would it be a smart bet even if you think he has the talent? Hell no. Too many factors go into it. That’s kinda what Jameis haters don’t get. The Bucs didn’t suddenly start losing when he arrived.
December 24th, 2019 at 3:43 pm
I’m all for re-signing Jameis. But NOBODY can sell $30+ mil to ownership for him. Just for off-field transgressions alone you can’t give him that much. Then this last game. Here’s an idea. If he won’t accept $25 mil per over 4 or 5 years, franchise him and see if the Raiders want to swap him straight up for Derek Carr.
December 24th, 2019 at 3:43 pm
No thanks
December 24th, 2019 at 3:51 pm
If someone else wants to pay him that much then by all means let him go. The Bucs do not need him. This team is set up to be able to win if we have a QB that can be consistent and doesnt lose the game for us like Winstons turnovers do. I would lose all confidence in Licht and Arians if they made a deal like this with him. Why put the rest of the team at risk? Why put another season at risk by paying a turnover prone QB so much? Makes no sense.
December 24th, 2019 at 3:52 pm
Is that source reliable
December 24th, 2019 at 3:52 pm
You cant have your soft girlie feelings get involved in Business decisions. Thats why yall broke today. Take the tampons out then yall can see clearly that JW needs to be resigned like yesterday
December 24th, 2019 at 3:52 pm
Go sign bridgewater and draft a QB , sorry but teddy won’t throw half those interceptions and can do the same job. Winston has cost us more games than won. He isn’t worth more than 17-20 million , rather sign the defensive line back and keep watching it grow , 5 years we be waiting to see jamies grow and he hasn’t. 5000 yards 7-8 wins. Not a winning season. So rojo can have 1000 yards with 25 fumbles and would you still want him joe ?
December 24th, 2019 at 3:52 pm
He got a lot of nerve. He simply cannot be trusted with the ball especially on a game winning drive. Do we really want more of THIS. Don’t tell me we can’t draft a q.b. and sign a veteran q.b.. It’s time to move forward, and stop wasting more years. I only pray rational heads prevail.
December 24th, 2019 at 3:54 pm
5 yr 140 Mil sounds about right to me.
Why would he want to be franchised? That’s a slap in the face when on the open market he could get 30-35M/YR
Trex- you will be watching Jameis for the next 4-5 years. Should give you time to graduate high school ya little b!tch!
December 24th, 2019 at 3:56 pm
Other than the Bucs, what other team(s) would consider paying him 30m per year in a multi year contract?
December 24th, 2019 at 3:56 pm
4 years 124 million. Lock him up now. After next year when he’s an MVP candidate he’ll have more leverage.
December 24th, 2019 at 3:58 pm
That’s too much money for the product on the field.
For instance… how many games has Winston single handedly lost this season? I’d say 4. Now how many losses has the defense caved? 3? Matt Gay lost 1 vs Giants.
Now it’s a team game and if your QB is the highest paid player that coughs up 25% of your total points allowed, and single handedly loses this many games… you’re better off without him. Theres cheaper guys to build a more well balanced team.
December 24th, 2019 at 3:58 pm
Is this a hostage situation?
“Give me $30 million or the other team gets it!”
December 24th, 2019 at 4:02 pm
There’s buisness
……and then there’s just FLAT OUT CRAZY!!!!
For his performance over 5 years…….doesn’t warrant top tier QB pay.
Especially when we have too many good players on this team to resign.
Get a veteran. ……draft a rookie QB and move on
December 24th, 2019 at 4:03 pm
to make this clear, any small amount including free, is very expensive to have JW here an other year. Emotional and economical make no sense…. stadium empty again.
But a reminder… Aaron Rodgers salary in 2019 will be $20 million.
now im going to borrow from:
@Wesley Says:
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!!!!!!
—————————
that’s right 🙂
BA = LovieS 2.0
December 24th, 2019 at 4:04 pm
At Eliot. You right. Jameis might just say give 30M or I walk. Not sure if he wants to return too. Can’t blame the guy. The team has sucked. 4 head coaches. No defense. Rojo barely had 30+ gain run in over 3 seasons. Oline until now seems to hold.
Sign the guy 4-5 yrs and if it don’t work release the guy. Make the contract favorable for that. Or Bucs go all out and move up in draft to get Herbert.
December 24th, 2019 at 4:06 pm
Aaron Rodgers has thrown three interceptions…
I’m not a Jameis hater, in fact I’d really like to see the Bucs keep him for year two under Arians.
But $30 million is an insulting demand.
Go get paid by some other team and lead the league in good & horrible stats. Go tell some other city’s media that you’ve just “got to play better” game after game after game.
All the good you do is washed out (if not worse) with the bulls*** errors.
The Bucs have lost five (FIVE) games by 7 points or less.
Jameis has thrown 6 (SIX) pick sixes.
Let Jacksonville or Washington have him.
$30 million? = bat turd crazy.
Hope it’s not true.
December 24th, 2019 at 4:06 pm
I knew Winston would do something like this too……..he thinks his sheit don’t stink.
I sure hope the Glazers don’t give in and I hope the Bucs move on…………the fan base needs a change
December 24th, 2019 at 4:13 pm
Let him walk. Take that money and redistribute it amongst resigning key defensive players and whoever we can add in FA. Id rather take a chance on Mariota, rivers, or a rookie QB.
December 24th, 2019 at 4:16 pm
Adrnagy
Sorry but Rojo has only had 2 seasons….
If you are going to franchise him….at least leave it open for another team to pony up……when they don’t, it will let Jameis & his agents know his value or lack thereof.
December 24th, 2019 at 4:18 pm
draft a rookie QB, play him right away, and with the money left preserve what we have @ defense, and make it better…… 2021 we may be ready for play offs.
the other option…. keep JW, destroy the team…. and like the last 5 years with him… and many years before him, we never will see the gates of play offs…..
BA = LovieS 2.0
December 24th, 2019 at 4:18 pm
Well he is likely to be paid something despite his 28-41 record and 109 turnovers. And only the Bucs are likely to pay him. It sucks but we are likely stuck with Jameis “meaningless stats” Winston, America’s QB, Mr. Excrement for a while yet.
I suspect we will regret it but it seems inevitable.
I doubt he will find that much of a market, even in Chicago, but someone will offer him a contract but not even Chicago would pay 30 Mill for 109 turnovers…would they?
December 24th, 2019 at 4:18 pm
Let’s all just calm down a wait until the last game. If Jameis goes out and performs at a high level, his market value might very well be 30+ mil and HE will have some real leverage. If Jameis goes out and self-destructs (which I suspect he will because he will be trying to prove he deserves big bucks, and Jameis trying to prove something leads to Jameis trying to be Superman which rarely ends well), then his market value will probably plummet and ONE BUC PLACE will hold all the cards. I would certainly wait until I had every last scintilla of data before making a decision on Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde.
December 24th, 2019 at 4:19 pm
You gotta resign Vita Vea, Godwin, and all these good players on the the team…….
DON’T MORTGAGE THE FUTURE FOR A TURN OVER MACHINE!!!!!!
December 24th, 2019 at 4:24 pm
As long as we keep the defense together, I don’t care what they pay him. I like the idea above about the transition tag….let him get market value, we’ll take the draft picks.
December 24th, 2019 at 4:26 pm
No freaking way JayMiss is worth $30M +. In fact, I would be hard pressed to make an argument for the Franchise Tag number of $27M.
Let him walk. Build the D, get a decent feature back and Andy Dalton could win here.
So long, JayMiss. Don’t let the door hit ya where the good Lord split ya!
Merry Christmas to all and to all a good night.
Peace, out.
December 24th, 2019 at 4:29 pm
If that I true, GO HANG WITH KAP Who hasn’t been signed by anyone because of over valuing himself among many other things…
The Bucs would be the Biggest Fools in the history of the NFL!
December 24th, 2019 at 4:29 pm
Sure, give him 30 mil per year with a contract clause deducting 1 million per interception thrown. He will wind up paying the Bucs to play here.
December 24th, 2019 at 4:30 pm
Were so truly blessed to have JW as are QB and he such a blessing did i say blessed
December 24th, 2019 at 4:33 pm
Im one of the biggest jameis fans there is ,but no way is he getting 30 million a year. And if hes dissapponted in the tag , .maybe he shouldn’t be giving the ball away at an alarming rate.
December 24th, 2019 at 4:35 pm
resigning JW will mean the end to Mike Evans best years and Evans deserves better and so do all bucs fans if losing the fan base inst enough it will set us back even deeper then even i thought this Team could sink .
December 24th, 2019 at 4:37 pm
This is my biggest fear, we get the defense fixed, have a great receiving core and have a chance to draft oline and running back along with more depth on defense and then we have no QB. Sounds about something we would do. Before Saturday morning I would be in full support of Jameis getting a long term deal and I am not out now, but Saturday for the first time doubt crept in my mind as that was his worst game in a Buccaneer uniform. I am still behind him as our QB but I am less certain than I was Saturday morning.
December 24th, 2019 at 4:42 pm
Ndog Wow dude what do you think will change isnt 5 years enough it would be the same if not worse
December 24th, 2019 at 4:42 pm
@lewis, end of mike evans best years? With jameis big mike is putting up hall of fame numbers. You can gripe about a lot of things with jameis, thats not even remotely one of them.
December 24th, 2019 at 4:42 pm
I can’t stay away from this thread.
In his 5 years, what has he accomplished? Nothing. He has regressed to the point it’s laughable. Who doesn’t believe that he’ll throw a pick to end the first drive on Sunday?
He is uncoachable, cannot learn from his mistakes. Ask yourself this — if he was your employee, would you give him a raise or would you fire him?
Build a solid defense and draft OL … a serviceable vet who responds to coaching can win with that.
If they re-sign him, I have to bought my last ticket. As have many others. Have you seen the stands this year. Without the visitors fans, it would be a ghost town in there. 30 million for more of the same? That’s insanity!
December 24th, 2019 at 4:43 pm
GOOD LORD I don’t have a problem paying player but when the 30+ million dollar QB is pissing football games away like a 7th round rookie I have a huge issue paying that much for him.
December 24th, 2019 at 4:44 pm
30 some million….. just no. A rookie qb won’t throw 30 int… atm is crazy
December 24th, 2019 at 4:46 pm
If you are paying him per INT then it is a good deal. 🙂
December 24th, 2019 at 4:46 pm
Jw probably up the price so he knows he gets released. Jw is outta here. He probably has Chicago in his mind
December 24th, 2019 at 4:47 pm
The bucs have to make a big move that will energize the fan base the Glazers wont stand for a half empty stadium and JW brings just that , and i was behind him as well but i cant stand it anymore .
December 24th, 2019 at 4:47 pm
Other notes. Bears fans are already buying JW bears jerseys. It’s all said and done with them. They are just waiting on the release
December 24th, 2019 at 4:48 pm
I love Jameis but when he quits making us extremely unhappy with his 4 picks in one game, I’ll give a fig what makes him extremely unhappy.
December 24th, 2019 at 4:48 pm
BA will want to keep Jameis because he thinks he can make Jameis serviceable after another year with his coaching staff. BA will add a quality running back ,linemen,and defensive backs.I hear through the grapevine that the franchise tag is coming.
December 24th, 2019 at 4:49 pm
If any of this is true, his agents are just doing their jobs. I don’t expect them to walk into Licht’s office with their tails between their legs and heads staring at the ground even though they should given Winston’s erratic as hell play over the years.
I don’t think this cat is worth the franchise tag and he sure as hell isn’t worth “good, young, franchise qb” money. However, as others have stated, you just can’t let him go given all the time wasted on him already and the slim chance in hell that he becomes consistent. If he refuses a cheap short term deal franchise him and cross your fingers. It also would be best to pick up a vet and draft a rookie. When the inevitable (imho) happens and Jameis implodes like he ALWAYS does, cut him loose like a crazy old girlfriend.
December 24th, 2019 at 4:50 pm
If he wants that kind of money or objects to a franchise tag, he obviously doesn’t understand how serious his interception problems are.
One year, guaranteed 25 million is where I’d stop with him, and that’s only if we can’t find a way to acquire someone better.
December 24th, 2019 at 4:51 pm
Easy choice sign Carr from raiders or Mariota from titans still draft qb as back up
December 24th, 2019 at 4:57 pm
GetOverIt …. That’s spot on …. You won this thread! He just doesn’t understand that he has a huge problem.
December 24th, 2019 at 4:58 pm
I am now hopeful that Jay Miss will price himself out of a Buc uniform.
December 24th, 2019 at 4:58 pm
At the 1st of the year there was chatted of the Raiders moving on from Derek Carr…
Derek would be a better solution for less if it’s possible. Especially if Arian can turn him into quality qb since JW is uncoachable!!!
December 24th, 2019 at 4:59 pm
Some of you guys simply don’t remember what was like to be happy scoring 17 point in a game. When you say anyone can do better you clearly have no idea what you are talking about.
December 24th, 2019 at 5:00 pm
only 12 QB’s in NFL history have won a SB? lol There are 12 alone that have won multiple SB’s.
December 24th, 2019 at 5:02 pm
I telling you guys be careful what you wish for, I’ve seen it before and yes we can be much much worse at QB. MUCH MUCH WORSE.
December 24th, 2019 at 5:02 pm
2020
Goff 36 mil
Ryan 33.5 mil
Big Ben 33.5 mil
Rodgers 32.5 mil
Stanford 31.5 mil
Wilson 31 mil
Cousins 31 mil
This is without dak, contracts going up every year and makes complete sense to get extension done before new cba. When Winston kills it next year and a new cba is done he will be paid over 40 mil a year
December 24th, 2019 at 5:03 pm
I’ve been a loyal fan since 76’. If the Bucs pay him anywhere near the astronomical figure, I’m done with this inept and loser franchise. JW has been an embarrassment on and off the field and has NEVER won a meaningful game. The front office and owners are living in a dreamland if they think that somehow JW will improve and change his ways. I don’t care if he throws for 10,000 yds or wins 5 rings with another team, all he does for the Bucs is lose. I guarantee the attendance will continue to suck as long as he’s a Buc. Please Santa, we need a new QB!
December 24th, 2019 at 5:07 pm
Pelbucs.
Bye.
December 24th, 2019 at 5:07 pm
Famous jameis. You either luv’em or hate’em. There is not a single Buc fan who has not…..cringed in terror or held on to the side of their chair/sofas as Jameis was throwing the ball. It happens repeatedly throughout all games. I have to have 2 or 3 pre-game drinks just to prepare myself to watch him. And so do..many of you.
December 24th, 2019 at 5:08 pm
Mike … Serious question. What makes you believe that Winston will “kill it” next year? Next year is one game away. He hasn’t improved with one year of high quality coaching. What will bring about this miracle?
December 24th, 2019 at 5:10 pm
So about ~$1 million dollars per interception
December 24th, 2019 at 5:11 pm
One million for each interception lol
December 24th, 2019 at 5:13 pm
I’d leave it 100% up to BA if Winston signs in Tampa. I think the owner siblings need to be completely excluded from the decision, and do it based solely on football, not monetary value.
December 24th, 2019 at 5:13 pm
When you guys bring up the losing you just lose all creditability cause we have had a horrible defense since the day he walked into the door and a horrific running game outside of one year with Doug Martin. If you want to talk about him losing the game yesterday fine that is valid, but pretty much every other game it was due to a variety of factors. Do you want him to win games on his own? Again if you don’t like his off field past, which was four years ago, or you think he throws more picks than you like ok but to bring up not winning is ridiculous considering NO ONE could have won with this team NO ONE!
December 24th, 2019 at 5:18 pm
I’m a huge Jameis supporter but he’s smoking dope if he thinks he is worth that. Market value or not no one that throws 30 int’s is worth 30 million/yr and he will throw at least 2 int’s on Sunday.
December 24th, 2019 at 5:18 pm
A variety of factors. Winstons turnovers being one of them….
December 24th, 2019 at 5:19 pm
Jason Licht has done himself a disservice by kneeling at the alter of everything Jameis. By constantly propping Jameis up and saying things to ensure that while he was in charge Jameis will be his QB has taken away his leverage to negotiate a reasonable contract. All the leverage is in Jameis’s court and his demands will be met or he will walk himself. This proves all along that he cares more about the money than actually winning games. Time to move on. Let him bring down Chicago’s house of cards.
December 24th, 2019 at 5:21 pm
Also keep in mind that he is about to become the 8th player in the history of the NFL to throw for 5,000 yards I’m not sure how that’s embarrassing. He also just set a record as the ONLY PLAYER IN THE HISTORY OF THE NFL to throw for 450 yards in back 2 back games. I get it this last game was horrible, I agree, but it’s simply not fair or smart to lump that game in with the rest. The Giants game the defense sucked, the Seahawks game the defense sucked, both NO games our oline got destroyed so should we get rid of all of them as well? Just calm down a look at the big picture.
December 24th, 2019 at 5:22 pm
Winston leads the league in turnovers since he was drafted but you are trying to tell us, he only cost us 1 game? C’mon now. You have to see how silly that sounds dont you? His turnovers arent the only reason but they are a big reason. 1 game? SMH
December 24th, 2019 at 5:25 pm
It’s not caring about what he gets @Bucsallnight idgaf how much cap room you got …
Over 30 million suffocates you from making your team better and keeping the good defensive players we have
Man yall are dense ..never get better with THAT thinking
December 24th, 2019 at 5:29 pm
I’m so glad Jameis, has wised up, get out of Tampa as fast as You can. You should tell them the price is 40mil a year!
December 24th, 2019 at 5:30 pm
He should^^^
December 24th, 2019 at 5:38 pm
Wow Jameis, do you want a mil per interception….
December 24th, 2019 at 5:38 pm
Stanglassman,
Where the heck do you get your info from?!
Only 12 QBs have won a Super Bowl?!
Man, you are waaaaaay off.
Without even checking I can think of double that number hahahahaha
December 24th, 2019 at 5:40 pm
I think the Bucs have no choice other than to pay him or franchise him. With BA being 67 years old he is NOT going to go with a rookie QB as he tries to win the big game in the next 2 – 3 years. Unless he can talk Andrew Luck out of retirement and swing a trade with the Colts it’s going to be Winston or BA retires again and we go back to having 2nd tier head coaches
December 24th, 2019 at 5:41 pm
Next man up.
December 24th, 2019 at 5:43 pm
@ Lewis – You win! over 100 comments here and you made the dumbest statement. Freaking haters are so enraged they can even think objectively. FFS Mike Evans is on pace for HOF with Jameis. They both help each other. It aint a one way street moron. Hell the last couple of weeks he is making Perriman look like Jerry Rice. He got Hump paid. Only one receiver here didn’t put up great numbers and DJax is a little b@$ch a$$ punk!
December 24th, 2019 at 5:45 pm
Joe puts up a jameis article and 100+ comments all others below 50. Lol. Jameis is the real thing. Lol
December 24th, 2019 at 5:52 pm
Put yourself in his place. If Wentz and Goff got 30 mil a year what would you want? It is the going rate. It took the franchise 40 years to find one as good as him. Talent does not grow on trees. You do not want another Doug Williams type of curse on the franchise, do you, lol!
December 24th, 2019 at 5:53 pm
Sign him up… let’s see if he can throw 40 interceptions…lol
December 24th, 2019 at 6:00 pm
This is what you want to pay $30 mill for?.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vE15tPth54
December 24th, 2019 at 6:02 pm
Unhappy with the franchise tag? They are unhappy with your interceptions so technically it’s 100% your fault. He’s pulling a Doug Martin and tried to play better in a contract year, get a big contract and proceed to suck after that. Would be wise to invest a high draft pick in a quarterback, glazers would love to pay a franchise quarterback but he isn’t one. If he was they would have already given him the money
Let’s be honest he needs 30+ a year because he has zero marketability due to his off field issues. Again 100% his fault
December 24th, 2019 at 6:06 pm
He’s joking, right?
December 24th, 2019 at 6:07 pm
See Couch that is the problem you blame every TO on him when the reality it’s poor snaps, bad oline play, poor routes, tipped balls poor decisions, and bad throws that caused the TOs. It’s not one guy and it a team thing. Now this week it was on him but others it certainly was not. I really don’t want to go game by game but if you want to we can.
December 24th, 2019 at 6:10 pm
No and ima Jameis supporter
December 24th, 2019 at 6:13 pm
Pay him the $30 but put in the contract all INTs over 15 are minus $1million each. Win win. lol
December 24th, 2019 at 6:13 pm
And with the first pick in the 2020 NFL draft, the Cincinnati Bengals select Chase Young from the Ohio State University . Two days later, The Cincinnati Bengals sign free agent Jameis Winston to a 4 yrs-115 Million dollar contract!! ———
Weird thing is it could happen!!!!
December 24th, 2019 at 6:15 pm
I cannot imagine paying this guy money even close to that outrageous amount. Perhaps 15-18 million for a 1 year contract and only small amount guaranteed. I would like to try this team out with a different quarterback like Bridgewater and plan on picking up a hidden jewel in the draft. Just hate the bad games that Winston is responsible for more than I like what he does good.Be my guess they decided to keep Winston and it was leaked to Ian Rappaport last week. He aint worth big money we don’t have, we need to resign all resignable players on the defense.
December 24th, 2019 at 6:16 pm
I like what donut said-it would be a win win
December 24th, 2019 at 6:16 pm
He will get better in 2020 with pics… In BA & Glazer loot we trust… It’s not your $$ so STFU… He will be here next year you better get used to it… Haters with zero game….
December 24th, 2019 at 6:20 pm
Don’t let the door hit you in the ass on your way out. Bringing him back would suck the hope out of this city.
To prove he ain’t worth it put Ryan Griffin in this week. Then we can decide if we want to toss a 1st round pick at another prima donna.
There are at least 24 QBs in this years draft. Most of them are at least as good as Gardner Minshew. Look for one with brains this time.
December 24th, 2019 at 6:20 pm
Everybody RELAX. Jaymiss ain’t worth 30m per. It’s good he’s asking for crazy $.And since our season is over let’s hope that he continues to throw picks on Sun. I’m hoping for one of his classic 3+ int games. And for good measure a fumble or 2.That way he digs an even deeper hole.Then let’s pray that the stupid ass Glazers can see what the majority of us see and either tag him or send him packin. L
December 24th, 2019 at 6:21 pm
If I thought Jameis could make everyone around him better I’d have no quams about a 30 mil + contract but the reality is we have to surround him with tons of talent to succeed and even then he still struggles. Now, because paying him this exorbitant amount of cash will take away the ability to surround him with big time playmakers.
We’re like that rat in a cage running on a treadmill to nowhere.
December 24th, 2019 at 6:21 pm
If Bucs lose to Falcons, Jameis will have distinction of QBing the worst team record in Arians’ NFL coaching career.
And it will probably be his fault if they lose.
More than 1 year contract, and Bucs management are idiots…
December 24th, 2019 at 6:26 pm
He leads the league in TOs period. Sure we can say not every one was on him but you can make that case for any turnover. If thats the case then 5000 yards were mostly due to his fantastic receivers that your so proud of. Bottom line is Winston is turnover prone with the stats to prove it. Most of his turnovers ARE on him. We’ve lost mutlipe games due to HIS boneheaded turnovers. Trying to dispute this is insanely stupid.
December 24th, 2019 at 6:27 pm
Screw that. Let him go. Draft Tua. Or sign JW to a long term deal, then trade him and Howard to whoever had the #1 overall pick. Then draft Joe Burrow
December 24th, 2019 at 6:29 pm
Your greed and selfishness are a big disappointment, Jameis. I thought you were a team-first guy.
How in the heck would we be able to sign our free agents???
Your turnovers and poor decisions hurt the team enough!
(…and your next suspension will be for the entire season.)
December 24th, 2019 at 6:31 pm
Teddy
December 24th, 2019 at 6:43 pm
The guy is out of his mind. Time to franchise tag him and make plans for a new QB.
December 24th, 2019 at 6:54 pm
That’s what quarterbacks get paid. Especially the ones that lead the league in passing yards, and second in passing TDs. He also leads in INTs, but he has earned a payday and will get it from someone if not here.
December 24th, 2019 at 6:58 pm
let someone else then
December 24th, 2019 at 7:01 pm
JC Cornell @CornellNFL:
“I have heard Jameis is looking for over $30M a year in an extension.”
JC Cornell’s Source: Pat Kirwan of CBS Sports and SiriusXM NFL Radio
December 24th, 2019 at 7:04 pm
Couch no it’s not insanity to debate. We are you are THE only hope for your to win games more TOs are going to happen. Now that the defense is getting better lookie lookie we are winning games. Now if he plays like did Saturday then no that is not winning football. Considering now we seem to have a real defense won’t it be nice to see if he can adjust to that style of play. Either that or we can start all over having no idea if the guy replacing him can even run the offense much less lead us to the number 3 scoring offense in the NFL. It just doesn’t make sense to move on at this point. Listen I was boarder line devestated at his play on Saturday but regardless of that he’s still by far our best option.
December 24th, 2019 at 7:08 pm
If Bridgewater was our QB we’d be in the playoffs. I’m so sick of this “only Winston could flourish in Arian’s vertical scheme” bs.
December 24th, 2019 at 7:21 pm
He’s going to get a deal averaging over $30m, that’s just the market.
Now triggered neverWinston’s, let hear it…
“GGRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!”
December 24th, 2019 at 7:22 pm
Irish you are crazy if you think a QB that is not mobile and fragile could do anything in this offense. CRAZY
December 24th, 2019 at 7:24 pm
Tag him, while looking for his replacement. We got Brad Johnson so it can be done.
December 24th, 2019 at 7:24 pm
strawman^^^^
December 24th, 2019 at 7:28 pm
$30 million per year- no thanks. Good bye, Felicia!
December 24th, 2019 at 7:34 pm
Did any of you dummies actually watch Bridgewater play? Yeah, the team won, because the Saints… because they have a good defense. Bridgewater was mostly awful. If he wasn’t there is no way the Saints would lose him and they’d push Brees out the door the same way the Packers did.
December 24th, 2019 at 7:38 pm
all these winston haters what yall going to do when jameis is signed somewhere else an next bucs qb is kije ol miych trubisky or Mariota ya they both dont throw INTS but they cant throw TDs at all like look at all the Great things Winston Does didnt palmer throw 22 INTS his 1st year under BA im willing to bet that you can the INTs out of Jameis but u cant coach all the good he does do hes a beast give BA another year i bet they sign Jameis to a 3 year 100 million dollar deal with 60GAR an clauses to get out after 2 years if things dont pan out bucs can win with Jameis an the way this Defense has been playing since week 10
December 24th, 2019 at 7:45 pm
Teddy Bridgewater’s 67.7 completion percentage shows he’s more accurate than Jameis’s league low 61 percent
December 24th, 2019 at 7:47 pm
If we pay Jameis $30 million plus, no playoffs.
December 24th, 2019 at 7:48 pm
But … But … But …. What if can be great? Seriously, what makes anyone think that he will change. HE IS GETTING WORSE!
This isn’t a super bowl team for at least 3 years. Flushing 100 million praying for change is going to set back the process.
Take his money, shore up the OL, retain the defense and extend Godwin. Draft a young QB and build a team!
By year three we are rock solid with a young QB that is still on his rookie deal.
December 24th, 2019 at 7:52 pm
This isn’t some underpaid, epic QB who’s making chicken salad out of chicken **** here.
Jameis is one of the main factors in the Bucs losing since he’s been here.
He’s been in two QB friendly systems now whole career, with all kinds of weapons (including two pro bowl WRs).
Grass ain’t greener!
Go ahead and hamstring the team’s salary cap and eat more “Ls” as long as you get paid bro.
F*** off!!!
December 24th, 2019 at 7:56 pm
Somebody tell me what other team is going to sign him for this money?
Who would the Bucs be bidding against?
The Bears traded up for Trubisky, they aren’t going to give up on him yet. The Broncos probably feel pretty good with Lock now.
The Jaguars will probably move forward with Minshew for at least one more year.
The Lions might move on from Stafford but they’ll have a high enough pick to draft a QB.
The Colts will probably give Brissett another year.
Belichick and the Patriots aren’t going to give Winston that money if Brady walks.
Gruden isn’t going to want him in a west coast offense in Vegas.
Panthers are picking high enough to draft one.
Bengals will draft one obviously.
Dolphins will either work with Rosen or draft a replacement.
Chargers will rebuild and draft. They’re notoriously stingy with money too.
So I ask again, who is going to give Winston the contract he wants? The only team stupid enough is probably the Bucs. I pray I’m wrong.
December 24th, 2019 at 8:00 pm
I’m sorry I didn’t know we had a all time great defense and Mike Alstott like Brad Johnson had…
December 24th, 2019 at 8:02 pm
All posturing by Winston’s side. Yawn me out man. Winston would JUMP at the chance for one more year at $15 million with a bonus of 10 IF he make the playoffs and cuts the picks. Not saying I like that idea, but I’d understand it. But no one wants him as their starter, and Chicago is not ready to move on from Trubisky yet….but nice try….whoever the moron is who dreamed up that smack.
December 24th, 2019 at 8:05 pm
I was all in on PIT making a trade for him in a hail Mary to get to the playoffs. Yeah, he probably would have tubed it up like he does here…but like I said…hail Mary.
For every dollar the Bucs pay for Winston, that’s a dollar that can’t be spent on cap salary needed somewhere else. A game manager can win as much as Winston has…or more. Under half is not good. NOT GOOD.
December 24th, 2019 at 8:07 pm
I don’t think he was ever getting it, but if he were, his 30 million came back the other way in his first pass last Saturday. That was a $15 million pick six.
December 24th, 2019 at 8:08 pm
oh it will be the Bucs who sign JW. Jason Licht has pretty much said so with his Jameis 1 of 1 personality. Licht has painted himself into a corner and JW and his agent are gonna squeeze every ounce of everything before they settle on a number.
December 24th, 2019 at 8:12 pm
They put the sheep to sleep to dominate the weak. Hell no to 30 Million. F him. F Jameis. I vote hell to the NO.
December 24th, 2019 at 8:17 pm
T. rex your the f’n loser. Why don’t you support your team and shut your damn mouth!
December 24th, 2019 at 8:21 pm
No risk it ,no biscuit.We are in a vertical offense,not a dink and dunk pad my numbers with dump offs.Mike Evans Chris Godwin would disagree with the majority of the posters on this blog.Next year get the bucs a serious running game picks should go down.
December 24th, 2019 at 8:23 pm
Say it isn’t so moderation joe. They put the sheep to sleep to dominate the weak. Hell no.
December 24th, 2019 at 8:25 pm
^^^most his picks come from the dink and dunk type plays
December 24th, 2019 at 8:27 pm
He doesn’t get a lot of picks on the deep verticals because most the time at least 50% he’s overthrowing his own receivers
December 24th, 2019 at 8:28 pm
4/23/20—–And for the 1st pick in the 2020 NFL Draft, the Cincinnati Bengals select Chase Young, Ohio State University.
4/24/20—–Cincinnati Bengals come to terms with free agent Jameis Winston on a 4yr/115mil contract.
Crazier things have happened!!!!!!!
December 24th, 2019 at 8:30 pm
^^^115 million is a lot more generous that what he wants from the Bucs
December 24th, 2019 at 8:32 pm
No No No No No.
December 24th, 2019 at 8:40 pm
Fun fact: Teddy Bridgewater this year has a 45.3 QBR… Winston has never had a QBR that bad.
In fact even in Winston’s worst year his QBR was still 10-points higher.
QBR is, in general, a much better judge of passers than the old QB rating system, that heavily inflates the numbers of west coast offenses since they throw a ton of short passes that pad their numbers. QBR doesn’t give Bridgewater credit for dumping it off to a RB on 3rd and 12 instead of trying to get a 1st down.
BUT GRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I HATE WINSTON AND YOU’VE RUINED CHRISTMAS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!
I know buddy… I know…
December 24th, 2019 at 8:40 pm
Fu$k Ja miss Lose sted.
Jameis Winston and what he wants. Tampa deserves better.
December 24th, 2019 at 8:42 pm
I couldn’t stop laughing after pick six on opening drive. New QB please
December 24th, 2019 at 8:46 pm
If it were not for his great receivers, his stats would be down 70%
December 24th, 2019 at 8:48 pm
Sure give him 31 million and deduct 1 million for every turnover
Then see how he plays…
Stupid fanbase deserves a stupid qb who plays like the dumbest player in the league
December 24th, 2019 at 8:55 pm
Winston in almost twice as many games isn’t much better at 54.2 QBR. The short time Teddy played, he ended up with 9 TD’s 2 INT’s with several games with no turnovers.
December 24th, 2019 at 8:58 pm
Oh….. JW has been tempered with. By the Bears who willingly to pay that 30 in a much better situation and will not play under the tag. We are in for ride. JW wants out if the Bucs dont pay.
December 24th, 2019 at 9:02 pm
Jean Lafitte – In QBR, 10 points is a lot… Also that was Winston’s worst year, he’s has a 57 QBR at the moment.
As for Teddy, 4 of those TDs and came against that God awful Bucs defense in one game. Thankfully the Bucs defense has improved dramatically.
Anywho, if Teddy is any good, as stated, the Saints will keep him and dump Brees. If they do that – then we’ll know something. If the Saints don’t do that, if they let him walk to keep a 41 year older who has an insane cap hit, then that tells you everything.
Bridgewater could be a serviceable to good QB for a west coast offense with a good running backs and a good defense (like the Saints or Vikings) – but in a deep ball scheme like this, he doesn’t fit and wouldn’t even be considered other than as a backup. That’s regardless of anything to do with Winston.
December 24th, 2019 at 9:05 pm
I wouldn’t be surprised if Licht makes him the highest paid QB in the NFL with no winning record to show for it. Just throw the ball deep, doesn’t matter about any accuracy and get paid for life.
If only life were that carefree for the rest of us. What a gig.
December 24th, 2019 at 9:10 pm
I love all the triggered morons who don’t actually know anything about the cap and what people are getting paid.
Dak wanted $40m before the season.
That was the rumors and the Cowboys fans went nuts – he denied he ever said that, and considering they have the same record as the Bucs with a much better defense and running game, I’m pretty sure he’s not getting it. But Dak will probably get $35m.
For Winston, my thoughts have been they’ll probably do like a 5yr/$160m or so deal deal. I know that will make everyone angry… SO ANGRY!!!! But in reality it would probably be more like 2-years fully guaranteed at around $30m a year. Maybe like $15m is guaranteed in year 3, but perhaps nothing. The Bucs don’t do signing bonuses so that would be off the table. So I’m thinking YR1 $30m (guaranteed), YR2 $30m (guaranteed), YR3 $35m, YR4 $35m, YR5 $30m. Additional bonuses for pro-bowl and playoff wins could be a few million more a year.
In any case if Winston doesn’t have the same improvement Carson Palmer had after his first year with BA, then the 2nd year fully guaranteed money won’t matter since the team will be blown up, BA will retire and we’ll be in for yet another half-decade rebuild.
December 24th, 2019 at 9:18 pm
Jean Lafitte – Winston is like #15th in deep ball completion percentage – and he throws it deep more often than anyone in the league AND Winston throws it deeper than anyone in the league as well (why he has over a 1,000 yard lead in intended air yards over Dak). So more chances for something to go wrong, and making harder passes, and he’s still middle of the pack in terms of completion % vs people who only throw deep when they have guys running wide open.
Your viewpoint is not based on any actual information or supporting stats.
December 24th, 2019 at 9:20 pm
Jean,,,,,about 1 mil a year less than what he wants from the Bucs. Rumor is 30 per. My above is 29ish. Imagine Cincy pulling something like that off. I believe I am Jameis’s biggest supporter in NY. With that being said, the Bucs going forward are starting to put together an extremely good defense and need more of a “Dilfer” type QB who can control the game and let the Defense do their thing. Winston does not possess that patience to just control the game. No slingers do. Now will Evans and Godwin both reach 1000 yds together again in that type of system. No. Is there a chance neither will in that type of system. Maybe. Just looking over Tom Brady’s leading yards receivers since 2013, only one year where there were two that passed the 1000 mark (2017-Gronk 1084 & Cooks 1082). In 2018 there were zero 1000 yd receivers. All the rest of those years had one per year. Now I am using a top 5 QB in my example. With Winston out of the equation, the question is who can fill in. Not sure how Evans and/or Godwin would feel about touches due to spreading the ball around like that. Specifically in Godwin’s case he will be looking to cash in after next season and if he ends up with between 700-900yds he wont be able to cash in quite as much as say after this past season. And in Evans case, he is trying for Legacy stature with this yearly 1000 yd receiving mark. Imagine what he would be saying if he did not reach that mark next year. I guess it all depends on if they are a team player or not. Anyway, it may be a good idea in Winston’s view to play elsewhere just because the fan base here is so adamant whether they like or hate him. Some dislike because of his college issues and some dislike him because his interceptions and not winning a championship. Now those are both valid arguments. On the other hand you have people who like him because of being FSU fans and seeing what he did there and some like him because the type of QB (gunslinger) he is and possible upside. All up for argument. Bottom line is it could be time to try a new organization out. It does suck a little for me as a Jameis guy because I have been watching the Bucs since he got there and the team never had a defense or offensive line, up until the middle of this season and I fear he will not be able to reap the benefits of all these other parts improving going forward. He has had to overcome a lot of team deficiencies up until now.
December 24th, 2019 at 9:24 pm
Here’s a little levity for Buc’s fans to ponder upon.
The New England Patriots just won their 11th straight division title.
The Tampa Bay Buccaneers just had their 14th straight losing season.
Merry Christmas to all, and to all Good Night!
December 24th, 2019 at 9:42 pm
Bridgewater??? LOLOLOLOL
He would be in a body bag in this offense. Yes, the o-line has had a couple good games this year, but the majority of the games Jameis has been getting beaten to a pulp. Yes there are some snaps where he holds the ball too long, but many times there is a free rusher coming at him immediately. There’s a reason our running backs get hit in the backfield at some of the highest rates in the leage (going on for several years now).
As soon as you can find someone better than Jameis, go for it. I don’t see anyone available this year who is a sure bet to be better than him.
He improved each year under Koetter, so despite his regression in some areas this year (completion % and INTs), there’s no reason to think he won’t improve next year.
I am fine with the franchise tag, I’d be fine with a multi-year deal with only the first 2 years guaranteed, etc. 30mil sounds insane but that’s the going rate these days so I’m sure it will be right around that number…
December 24th, 2019 at 10:05 pm
The text book definition of a complete lack of self awareness.
Bye Winston. He’s all your’s Bears. Good luck, I hear it’s windy there. Should make for quite a few interceptions.
December 24th, 2019 at 10:08 pm
This is ridiculous to even consider giving him that much money.
They should just let him walk. The turnovers are killing any chance of the playoffs. Just killing this team. They take the wind out of the sales… they take the fans out of the stadium. Hes not a draw.
December 24th, 2019 at 10:22 pm
So a defense blowing leads against the Giants, Titans, Seahawks and many many others over the past five didn’t take the wind out of the sails or have anything to do with the lack of fans in the seats? Yeah I there every game brother and I can tell you first have that one of the few reasons there has been to go to games the last 5 years was Jameis and the passing game. From the paying customer’s perspective do you I was excited to pay money to go see Gerald McCoy, Adam Hayward, Brent Grimes, Bradley McDougall, Beau Allen, William Gholston and like give up points like watching a pinball machine. Oh know I super excited about see us miss kick after kick after kick or us running up the middle time and time again for one yard at best or the usual 2nd and 10. You see literally Jameis, Evans, Brate, and Godwin have literally been THE ONLY THING worth stepping into that stadium for, and yes I pay for tickets and have been since 96 so I can say whatever the he!! I want.
December 24th, 2019 at 10:25 pm
Bridgewater is total bait this off-season after a 5 game stretch in a very QB friendly situation.
The Bucs would be FOOLISH to give Teddy Bridewater the keys to this franchise.
December 24th, 2019 at 10:31 pm
Jameis is like the 17th-22nd best qb in the league. I would think $20-$22mil per year is fair. Any more than that let him walk. Bring in a Bridgwater/Dalton/Derek Carr(if available)/ELI Manning/Marcus Mariota/Jacoby Brisset/ etc at a value that will allow us to build the team. Draft a Russel Wilson/Tom Brady hidden gem after the 2nd-3rd round.
Here is how the NFL works. Get your running game, defense, OL, and coaching right. Then develop a young QB that doesn’t turn the ball over and can throw the ball. Follow the mold of Pittsburg. They are playing meaningful football in week 17 with a 3rd string QB. New Orleans went undefeated with Brigewater. These are good solid defensive teams that do not need their QB to be superheroes.
December 24th, 2019 at 10:32 pm
Bridgewater is a high end backup QB and low end starter. He would flop just like Saint Nick Foles on the Jaguars.
If he signed with the Dolphins this season does anyone actually think he would’ve done better than Fitzmagic this year? I certainly don’t.
Who’s ready for some Teddy ball? 19 for 32 141 yards 1 TD 0 Ints.
Don’t be a prisoner of the moment. Nick Foles resume was a thousand times better than what Teddy did this year and that didn’t work out too well.
December 24th, 2019 at 10:39 pm
LOL at Rod aka Rodney calling people triggered. What about 100 posts in 2 days from you? But everyone else is triggered!!!!
December 24th, 2019 at 10:45 pm
Jameis can want or be unhappy if he wants. The organization will make the offer, negotiate or whatever. If he does not like it don’t let the door hit ya in the ads on the way out.
December 24th, 2019 at 10:46 pm
Ass on the way out.
December 24th, 2019 at 11:20 pm
If the Bucs pay Jamies 30m he will be in top 10. Somewhere between 7-10. It depends on how the contract is layout is what matters. As long the Bucs can get out of the contract then go for it.
But if jameis is signed. A good backup Won’t be sign. We will most likely have griffin along the way.
I won’t rule out Bucs drafting a qb in the 1 or 2 round. Didn’t the Bucs send scouts to see college qb?
December 24th, 2019 at 11:41 pm
30 m hahaha 22 He be more than happy
December 24th, 2019 at 11:48 pm
14 straight losing season? we were 9-7 just 3 years ago, 10 win season 9 years ago.
December 24th, 2019 at 11:49 pm
Bye and thanks for nothing. 30 million per and never sniffed a playoff game. Insanity. Draft someone else and pay our defensive players that money. Go Bucs!
December 24th, 2019 at 11:56 pm
It’s funny, our defense has been good for 2 weeks and we’re gonna pretend they haven’t been historically bad since 2014.
Blame Jameis
December 25th, 2019 at 12:01 am
@trex, don’t be so angry, there are plenty of knobs for you to bob, TOOL!
December 25th, 2019 at 12:09 am
You gotta ask yourself where would be without him? What are we going to do? Draft a QB and start him immediately? Sign a castoff free agent? Think about it.
December 25th, 2019 at 12:17 am
Pay him. He is 25. Interceptions can be fixed.
December 25th, 2019 at 12:24 am
What a dumb “report”. Any player is unhappy getting tagged.
As for the $30M… That’s where the market has been set.
In other news… People prefer to make more money than less money. Also, when people are unhappy, they frown.
Internet blog idiots.
December 25th, 2019 at 12:24 am
He wants $1,000,000 for every interception he throws this year.
December 25th, 2019 at 12:47 am
One million for every int. You got to be stupid if you even consider keeping him. Lot more out there that are better
December 25th, 2019 at 12:49 am
1 million for every int have to be stupid to consider keeping him lot more better QB’s out there
December 25th, 2019 at 1:28 am
30 ml, you cant say he don’t have a set
I guess he don’t believe in getting payed for production,like us peons have to work at.
Now we will see if J.L . is an idiot and trying to sink the Bucs
December 25th, 2019 at 2:05 am
unbelievable Says: “He improved each year under Koetter, so despite his regression in some areas this year (completion % and INTs), there’s no reason to think he won’t improve next year.”
That would be correct.
Carson Palmer is the guy you look at and compare Winston to at this point.
Palmer, who was 34, his first year in Arians offense threw 24 TDs and 22 INTs. In his second full season under Arians (he was injured for most of year 2), he threw for 35 TDs and 11 INTs, made the Pro-Bowl, and his team went 13-3 with a mix of high powered offense and an aggressive, very good, attacking defense. Also the 22 INTs will come with about 70 less attempts, which means it’s more like 24 if you even it out.
Palmer was a guy who threw INTs at around the same rate as Winston, pre-BA, and then had his “worst” year as far as turnovers went and he learned the new aggressive offense. Palmers QBR was 52.6 vs Winston’s 56.9 this year.
Winston, while he leads the league in turnovers, is also 2nd in TDs, leads the 3rd highest scoring offense in football – and is basically shattering all team records, and all-time NFL records for someone his age.
Winston will reduce his turnovers in his 2nd year under Arians, if he doesn’t, then he’ll be out of a job. Or maybe he won’t. You see, if you can maintain the scoring, and the defense plays as it has been playing over the last 6 games, then the Bucs would be on an 11-5 pace for the year.
BUT….
I know…
December 25th, 2019 at 2:07 am
“DBS Says:December 24th, 2019 at 10:39 pm
LOL at Rod aka Rodney calling people triggered. What about 100 posts in 2 days from you? But everyone else is triggered!!!!”
I know right… a Bucs fan talking football, stats, facts, figures, historical comparisons, contracts, etc… How triggered of me…
December 25th, 2019 at 6:26 am
Pay this guy 30 mil to lose games, yeah right.
December 25th, 2019 at 6:30 am
According to Spotrac, Bridgewater made $3.25 this year. I’d feel much more comfortable paying Bridgewater what Jameis’ wants if I was GM. Same with Carr. To the extent folks have been praising Jameis’ production this year just remember he’s a pro quarterback throwing the ball on plays that the OC called. If you don’t think multiple pro level qb’s would generate similar production with reduced int’s you’re nuts. I personally think JW made his contract desires known before the Texans game and BA called plays to remind Jameis how far off the mark he really is. If JW had lit it up in the Texans game then maybe he deserves his contract demands. Since he fell flat on his face it was obvious he doesn’t. Moreover, the Texans are barely a playoff team and their secondary is horrible….and JW still sh!t the bed. At least two other int’s were dropped. Imagine how much worse it would have been against a good secondary with the pressure of a playoff. No thank you. Looks like a good back up and future coach to me, not a SB winning starter.
December 25th, 2019 at 6:43 am
He may not be the ideal qb but he’s not the worst all who critisize I’d like to see you play for the bucs as there signal caller and do half of what he did this season
December 25th, 2019 at 6:46 am
Correction 34 Qbs have won a Super Bowl with 12 winning multiple SBs. My point still stands that it would be a bad bet to pick any Qb to win a Super Bowl regardless of their talent. There are too many great Qbs who never had the team around them to win it all.
December 25th, 2019 at 6:47 am
Arians’ age, lack of a running game, turnstile tackles, no tight ends, the need to keep this defense intact…this adds up to the perfect storm. Keep captain turnover, or resign the core of an improving defense, which honestly is a pleasant surprise? Doesn’t matter what they’ll pay him, the length of the contract will be the same length of time this site will be filled with “He throw four interceptions, again!” posts. After several years of major college football and the NFL combined, he simply is what he is. The locker room will be fractured because of his play, long before he leaves Tampa. And for those who say, “They’ll be sorry if they cut him loose!” Two years at FSU, five with Tampa while setting the Guinness book of world records for interceptions in that span…the team is already sorry, and unfortunately committed. Merry Christmas, fellow Bucs fans.
December 25th, 2019 at 6:49 am
Great points Rod. If anyone is triggered it’s the JW3 haters jealous of getting paid.
December 25th, 2019 at 7:00 am
Hope they let him walk, I get that there might not be a better fa available, or worry about drafting someone, but they shouldn’t keep him for those reasons, no way he ever stops making horrible game losing choices and no way the Bucs ever finish better than 500 with him in a Bucs uniform, jay cutler 2.0
December 25th, 2019 at 7:01 am
Besides the one 9-7, almost forgot about the season we had hope
December 25th, 2019 at 7:06 am
If this is true, it answers a boatload of questions…
1. Does Jameis realize the consequences of all his INT’s? The answer is no.
2. Does he believe he can improve enough next year to garner a top level long term deal? The answer is no.
3. Will he work with the team, salary wise, to help bring back some of the much needed defensive pieces to continue to build this team? The answer is no.
4. Is he smart enough to understand all these things, and improve his game in those mental areas where he has problem…reading coverage’s, finding the open guy in a split second, and knowing when to get rid of the ball? Probably not.
So if this is true, and that is how he feels, the only words I can say are from an oldie but goodie song…
Hit the road, Jack.
December 25th, 2019 at 7:21 am
Jameis knows he’ll NEVER get another opportunity to get paid like this again……….because HE KNOWS that he is an interception machine…….he’s been fooling and pulling the Glazers money strings
See…….if Jameis was on any normal NFL team…..he would’ve been benched and reduced to 2nd string like Marcus Mariotta………Jameis knows it all too well.
Sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo………………….this is Jameis last ploy to get paid by some foolish Franchise.
GLAZERS………….DON’T PAY HIM!!!!!!!
LET JAMEIS WALK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
December 25th, 2019 at 7:47 am
Anthem… how many teams would want him to sit second on their “bench”? If he is making these demands, makes me wonder how much he has really “grown up”? And if he hasn’t, who would want him there?
The Bears…LOL….as if they would sign him to those “big bucks”.
This might just be agent messaging. But if we don’t hear a word from Arians, Licht, or Jameis regarding this report, it is likely true. Not a confirmation or denial, per say. But just to say it is a “mischaracterization”, in the least.
December 25th, 2019 at 7:57 am
I can’t believe some here are all for giving Winston about 1/4 of the team’s whole salary allotment for the cap rules. Yeah, let’s way overpay who has not performed to standard when he needed to over a five years. I’ll bet those wanting to pay Winston big make such bad decisions financially they are some broke azz MoFos with their own money.
December 25th, 2019 at 8:09 am
We have a half the fan base that has so invested in Winston that losing is fine.
The other half is tired of losing and is ready to move on.
One half thinks it will be funny when fans are pissed that they re-signed him to a long term deal, though it neither benefits them financially or with the holy grail of the NFL- Winning games.
The inability to move on from favorite players will be the death of this franchise. We have zero home field advantage at this point. Nobody is attending games except opposing fans. We get zero national attention. Zero mentions on Monday mornings unless JW has thrown 4+ picks and are the laughing stock of NFL franchises.
But yeah, you’ll be happy when the Bucs re-sign Winston and you get zero benefit from it. Makes sense from a losers standpoint.
December 25th, 2019 at 8:12 am
So many people who claim to be so knowledgeable about football can’t get it through their idiotic skills full of mush that winning is the only thing that matters. Not your favorite college player, not stats, nor records.
It’s winning. Plain and simple. Winning games. But yeah- you watch football and know so much. You’re like the next coming of John Madden.
December 25th, 2019 at 8:14 am
The real stats :-
Winston has completed 367 of 602 passes for a league-leading 4,908 yards and a second-best 31 touchdowns, but his passer rating of 84.6 ranks 50th in the NFL. His 28 interceptions thrown are 10 more than anyone else in the league has thrown.
Let’s make sure we keep this level of performance !!!
December 25th, 2019 at 8:23 am
Screw whether or not he is “unhappy.” He gets franchise tag.
December 25th, 2019 at 8:41 am
we are going to finish with 7-8 wins.
The last 5 games we have seen an improvement in our defense, offensive line, and running game to get me excited about next year. The QB play has been the same as it always has been.
Jameis has a great arm and I belive he can cut down the INTs if not force to pass so much every game. He is not woth 30mill and will not get 30 mill from anyone else. Bucs have all the cards in their hand so I am not too concerned. Franchise tag him or offer him a 3 year 65million deal………start thinking about his replacement in the 2021 draft or pick up a Mariota/Dalton/Bridgwater/Rivers/Manning/ replacement
Its a no brainer
December 25th, 2019 at 9:01 am
Poor timing by the agent to let this slip after another 4 INT game. Tom Brady wants to keep winning, so his salary is 22 mil. Of the top 7 offenses, only one isn’t in the playoffs. Can anyone guess who that might be?
December 25th, 2019 at 9:28 am
Sluglife…good points. Consider the ones ready to move on from Winston are probably the ones actually paying to watch this team play on Sunday and are tired of the humiliation in empty stadiums that have as many away team fans….folks that lauch at Winston while Bucs fans sit politely quiet as he gives the games away. The positive this year is the D has decided to step up and refuse to let him do it most of the time.
Speaking of those who claim to know the game, but don’t. Notice how they always griped about run game, lack of d, etc. Now they have simply gotten to just blame the INTs on others, including the Center, coaches, and the wind. Anyone who knows the game will always come back to the QB when they don’t improve, and knows that you will never win consistently when you lose the TO battle week after week due to you QB.
December 25th, 2019 at 9:30 am
So there are reports that Winston wants $30 million and would be unhappy about the salary cap. I have my own reports too. The Saints, Panthers, and Falcons agree with Winston. That are raising the money lock him up for multiple years to keep him in Tampa is an long-term contract.
December 25th, 2019 at 10:04 am
I read Winston sent his list of demands, but it was intercepted.
December 25th, 2019 at 10:08 am
I would say he may have been worth $30M until his recent CRAP SHOW last Saturday.
December 25th, 2019 at 10:12 am
Signing Winston to a long term 25-30 million dollar contract is the definition of insanity. The going rate argument is a loser. There’s only a handful that should be paid that kind of money and Winston will never be one of them. Unclutch the FSU NC jersey for a minute and be rational.
December 25th, 2019 at 10:29 am
Again, Slugglife
Funny how you think Winston is our primary source of losing
Do you not know how football works?
December 25th, 2019 at 10:29 am
Winston can get a $30M, 3+year deal elsewhere so it doesn’t matter what any of you mutts think. Then the Bucs can start from square one with an untested rookie or over-the-hill veteran.
December 25th, 2019 at 10:29 am
Winstons agents want 30 mill Bucs are thinking 20mill
3 years $22million take it or leave it. This team can easily go 7-9 or 9-7 with qbs that aren’t as exciting but don’t turn the ball over.
Im sorry but if we ever become a good team and get to the playoffs you know hes going to hold this team back with a critical error in a close game……….kind of like what we saw last week.
December 25th, 2019 at 10:29 am
Top 10 offense in the NFL yet Winston is our main problem
Get a clue
December 25th, 2019 at 10:37 am
Wow… I’ll take 30mil a year too to throw interceptions all day! Where do i sign up?!
December 25th, 2019 at 10:53 am
Bucs salary cap for 2020 is down to 89 mil and dropping. Signing Jameis is to 30 mil plus would drop it to 59 mil minus draft picks leaves about 50 mil or less. Barrett, JPP, Nassib 32 at least leaves 18 mil for everyone else, it’s possible but leaves no money for the depth on the team. I don’t believe any team in the NFL would sign Jameis for 30 mil.
December 25th, 2019 at 10:54 am
30million a year – $500k for each INT.
December 25th, 2019 at 11:15 am
Then he’s not the reason we win either. Either he makes receivers look good, or he doesn’t. Either his 5000 yard season matters or it doesn’t.
You’re a homer if you think this guy isn’t holding this team down. All the heroics are due to him putting this team in a hole in the first FN quarter.
It’s old hearing “do you know how football works.” Hey dipsh it, do you? You throw the ball to the guys wearing the same colors as you. You throw the ball so your receivers have a chance to make plays. You throw the ball away when the play isn’t there.
One question Einstein- have you ever watched Brady play a mediocre game? One where he just manages the game and doesn’t go full Jameis and throw 4+picks? Of course you have. Every time you watch him play.
You can either have Jameis or you can win. Not both. Buy a New Jersey. They’re cheap compared to 5 more years of losing.
December 25th, 2019 at 11:17 am
2019
After a Bucs win- “suck that Jameis haters!”
After a loss- “it wasn’t his fault. Do you even watch football?”
December 25th, 2019 at 11:19 am
I AGREEE with defense rule….. trying to get something ….. we cant keep doing the same thing and expect a differant result….. that is insanity…. HELLO !
Defense Rules Says:
December 24th, 2019 at 3:33 pm
If we let him just walk at the end of this season, we’ll have made a 5-year investment that returned NOTHING. THAT’S not good business.
Non-exclusive franchise tag him at the end of this season first like TBBF says … THEN see what happens. IF another team is willing to make him an offer, FINE. We either get to match it (MIGHT be a low offer?) OR we get TWO 1st-Round picks back to build with. I bet the Bengals would trade their #1 pick for TWO 1st Round picks (if necessary, offer them an additional pick of ours to sweeten the pot).
IF no other teams make him an offer, he’d still be under contract to us for a year (for roughly $27 mil) and we could TRADE HIM if we choose. Never know how something like that MIGHT work out.
In either event, players (or agents) who play the ‘He’ll be VERY UNHAPPY if you franchise tag him’ game irritate me. The only people who have a right to be VERY UNHAPPY at this point are the people who Jameis has let down with his various ‘performances’ … such as his teammates and Bucs’ fans.
December 25th, 2019 at 11:31 am
Broke people hang on to 5 year financial investments that lose. Know why? The have invested too much to admit when enough is enough. Pride comes in as well.
DR is a solid poster, but he missed on this one. Smart investors know when they have a losing stock. Just look at the stadium. Somebody you pay 30 million should have his face on the side. Look at the seats. Best bargain in NFL for opposing fans.
Prepare to work til you die boys, because the way you invested your money in a loser won’t bode well for your future plans. Because if you ran your retirement fund like you want this team to run its financial operations, I feel for you. And the passing title means jack sheet.
December 25th, 2019 at 11:34 am
Update- I missed part of DR post. Agree 100 with his evaluation in this respect.
December 25th, 2019 at 11:36 am
Stanglassman,
Point taken
Cobraboy,
Hahaha merry Christmas thanks for the laugh haha
December 25th, 2019 at 11:44 am
A million per int not bad lmao
December 25th, 2019 at 12:06 pm
Winston lovers are full of excuses. Pathetic people all of you. Not bucs fans but Winston fans. You’re the worst of the worst.
December 25th, 2019 at 12:14 pm
Theres to many better free agent QB’s out there in free agent. Traditional tag him. Nobodys gonna match there offer. He needs to sign a reasonable contract so the defense can bail him out and put a better line in front of him. Winston crystal team then he needs to realize for him to work he needs a real team to win.
December 25th, 2019 at 2:06 pm
So… I wonder what the overwhelming number of Buc fans believe about Mr. Reality?
a. A Jameis fan who thinks the Bucs are a mens basketball team.
b. A Falcon fan who wishes the worst upon our beloved Bucs.
c. A Panther fan ” ” ” ” ” ” ” ”
d. A Saints fan ” ” ” ” ” ” ” ”
e. One of two mating cockroaches seen on Hard Knocks.
f. Jameis himself.
Please man…long term contract now? Has to be a through f.
December 25th, 2019 at 2:06 pm
So… I wonder what the overwhelming number of Buc fans believe about Mr. Reality?
a. A Jameis fan who thinks the Bucs are a mens basketball team.
b. A Falcon fan who wishes the worst upon our beloved Bucs.
c. A Panther fan ” ” ” ” ” ” ” ”
d. A Saints fan ” ” ” ” ” ” ” ”
e. One of two mating cockroaches seen on Hard Knocks.
f. Jameis himself.
Please man…long term contract now? Has to be a through f.
December 25th, 2019 at 2:59 pm
I’d let #3 go win multiple SBs with whosever fortunate enough to land him and take the OTHER QB who they thought JW was going to be ..Hed be less money affording a free agent RB hence a GASP!! Legit running game PLUS QB. who knows how to win and won’t make boneheaded throws ?? We got ourselves a postseason shot in 2020 Bucs fans ..someone is getting Cam Newton and it Will Be a winning organization ..or pretend JW shows up next year ‘all fixed’ ..we’ll be talking next year who the next coach will be …Last two qbs I threw out for our team we’re met with scoffs and ridicule ..Bridgewayer in 18 and I wanted Tannehill for just a backup for his Holiness of the Sacred overthrow..Memo to Glazer boys …Your stadium is half empty!! It will be 3/4 empty if history repeats itself in 2020
December 25th, 2019 at 3:37 pm
Slugglife
You really think the Bucs can win with a game manager at QB and a bad defense.
Hahahaha
December 25th, 2019 at 4:05 pm
I’d say the defense could get at least a 3 and out break between defensive stops. Or maybe we’d get to use our punter to change field position for a change. Or maybe after getting the ball to start the game the defense isn’t down 7-14 points.
I know that’s just me because I’m not an FSU fan hoping to set meaningless records for my failed favorite player.
December 25th, 2019 at 4:35 pm
For those of you that are detractors of this defense…. learn a little about the game, will you?
Just think about it…number 1 run D…. the great White Shark, Lavonte and co at linebacker, and DB’s that are only getting better and more confident every game. I’m telling you..this D can win you a handful of games…if the O doesn’t sabotage them. Maybe add a guy or two…and we are set.
The O isn’t bad either…need another O lineman, another RB, and a QB that won’t put us behind the eight ball continually.
This team isnt’ far from becoming playoff material,assuming it drafts correctly, keeps the D mostly intact, makes the O moves I mentioned, and doesn’t overpay at the QB position.
December 25th, 2019 at 5:05 pm
^ #1 run defense means absolutely nothing in the NFL.
Nothing, unless you have a good pass defense
Lovie Smith has a great run defense with the Bucs.
December 25th, 2019 at 5:09 pm
Tbb..it doesn’t mean “nothing”. If that were the case, why be concerned at all. Alone, it isn’t enough. But you have noticed how our D ranking has been climbing as of late, in spite of the Offensive blunders, haven’t you? It is a good place to start. Anytime you can make a team one dimensional, that is a good thing…and Lovie didn’t say that.
December 25th, 2019 at 5:19 pm
It’s a passing league and the Bucs pass defense has been garbage all year. (- Last 2 weeks)
I’m not interested in a great run defense untill a good pass defense is in place
December 25th, 2019 at 6:13 pm
Tbb…don’t know how old you are, but assume you haven’t been watching football long. If you don’t have a good run defense, they don’t have to pass…until they set you up. And the young guys will get no reps under fire…. that part of the team would never develop. These young guys are coming around… it almost always happens this way with rookies. With good coaching, and plenty of reps, and dedication, this can be a fine D. Honestly, I don’t think you have a good handle on this. And as the pass rush improves, and an improving pass D, it will all come around. Just watch…and see how it is done. Arians and Bowles know what they are doing in this.
December 25th, 2019 at 6:14 pm
The part of the team that isn’t coming around is Jameis, if he expects a 30 mil. dollar contract.
December 25th, 2019 at 6:34 pm
Former college football player here BTW so nice try.
Your not getting it. You know when having a great run defense mattered? In 1952.
It’s a passing league. Simple as that. Haven’t you watched the Bucs over the years get shredded by mediocre backup QBs over the years? Apparently you haven’t. Must be new.
December 25th, 2019 at 7:48 pm
Tbbucs3 … “You know when having a great run defense mattered? In 1952. It’s a passing league. Simple as that.”
Nothing’s every as ‘simple as that’ Tbbucs. Example: Look at the Ravens offense this year (very impressive BTW). They have the #1 scoring offense with 503 points through 15 games, and are #2 in Total Yardage with 6,217 yards (averaging well over 400 yards/game). So how did they do it?
Ravens rank #1 across the board in rushing categories: Rushing Attempts (552), Rushing Yardage (3,073), Rushing TDs (20), Rushing Yards/Attempt (5.6), and Rushing 1st Downs (173). They’re also #1 this year in Time of Possession at 34:13 average per game. Their record? 13-2.
BTW, their passing attack is rather strange from a stats perspective. Ravens rank #32 in Passing Attempts (419) & #25 in Passing Yards (3,144). However, they rank #1 in Passing TDs (37), #7 in Net Yards Gained per Passing Attempt (7.1), and #6 in INTs (7). So they run on 57% of their down & pass on 43%.
Now let’s say we met the Ravens in the Super Bowl (hey, it’s Christmas, dream a little). Would you rather try to stop their vaunted rushing attack with OUR defense (#1 in the NFL in Rushing Yardage Allowed with 72.9 YPG) or with the Bengals #32 rushing defense (allowing over twice as much at 153.9 YPG)?
Point is that it does matter Tbbucs3, especially when it’s combined with a healthy pass rush. The great teams are great at BOTH, Rushing Defense AND Passing Defense.
December 25th, 2019 at 8:31 pm
tbbucs: Why do QBs get so much more money than other players? Because they influence the game more than any other position. You’re an excuse maker. A Winston fan not a BUCS fan. We don’t need fans like you. Let’s start running these idiots off the board. They are obviously blind or fsu honks. Pewter over garnet. Time to start taking out the trash.
December 25th, 2019 at 8:36 pm
So when Lovie Smith had a top 5 run defense how’d that work out?
A great pass defense > a great run defense and it’s not even close.
Sure a good run defense is a nice bonus but it’s almost irrelevant when your pass defense is lacking.
December 25th, 2019 at 8:45 pm
And Trex
No one has mentioned FSU so you clearly have some agenda against FSU which many Winston haters have. It’s called Florida State Derangement Syndrome.
December 25th, 2019 at 9:28 pm
LOL. Half you jaboo lovers have fsu or nole in your nics.
I want to win and winston is a loser.
December 25th, 2019 at 9:48 pm
By Felicia !
December 25th, 2019 at 10:03 pm
The real funny thing is Winnie thinks he has leverage in these negotiations?????
December 26th, 2019 at 4:57 am
Jameis would EASILY get more than the $33.6mil Jared Goff got if he hits free agency, but JC Cornell isn’t known to be dialed into Jameis the way the author of the book on Jameis is, and he hasn’t said anything about a salary demand, so my guess is this is BS.
December 26th, 2019 at 5:59 am
July…think that is probably correct. The agent might be fishing.. but I’d think if Jameis gets Franchise money this year, he would be happy with that, all in all. Frankly, I don’t ever remember a team putting in so many resources to create a situation where the QB can grow and be successful. And if he wants to leave that over a few million that the organization needs to help keep the D intact, he isn’t going to ever be the QB that will be a successful franchise QB.
December 26th, 2019 at 6:05 am
tbb…if you don’t think stopping the run is important in making a team one dimensional, setting them up to pass and increase their vulnerability to the pass rush and interceptions, you haven’t been learning about the game very long.
And if you don’t know it takes time for most young DB’s to transition to the Pro game and gel as a unit you know even less.
And what do you have? You throw out Lovie and some arbitrary year of when the run D was no longer relevant. Bologna.
It all matters…just as every player on the O playing in sync matters… and the entire team performance. Please…”run D doesn’t matter” to “run D doesn’t matter as much”…two completely different positions.
And “Defense Rules”.. on the money as usual.
December 26th, 2019 at 8:11 am
There was a game that ended Gruden and brooks career- the game that Carolina ran for nearly 300 yards starting out epic 4 game collapse after sitting at 9-3.
Yeah. Run defense doesn’t matter. Good take.
December 26th, 2019 at 8:18 am
These reports can’t be substantiated. Jameis has no say in being franchise tagged. We all don’t know ultimately what his true market value is. It is stupid to assume he should come on the cheap because we think he sucks.
December 26th, 2019 at 9:56 am
Pure negotiation tactics. Winston’s agent is just trying to set the table. We may be able to get a long term deal for around 28m per season as long as it has a lot of guaranteed dollar bills
December 26th, 2019 at 10:22 am
Mark2001
If you read my post I never said that the run defense wasn’t important.
My point is…..you do not have a good defense if you have a bad pass defense but good run defense.
I’m not interested in arguing with you if you actually think the run defense is just as important as the Pass defense in the NFL cause that’s total nonsense.
December 26th, 2019 at 10:38 am
Slugglife
Nice 2007 reference. Really strong argument for how football is played in 2019. Good take.
December 26th, 2019 at 10:46 am
“#1 run defense means absolutely nothing in the NFL. ”
Wow.
December 26th, 2019 at 11:01 am
And if you 1980s run defense guys actually look at the stats you’ll see that NFL teams are not running as much on the Bucs, why? Because why run when you can easily pass on us.
Opposing teams have run the ball only 332 times on us which is the 3rd fewest in the NFL.
What’s even more interesting is that the Bucs have been the MOST passed on team in the NFL with opposing teams passing on us 613 times. 613! Were the #1 most passed on team in the NFL. The 2d most is 576.
NFL teams are largely ignoring the run against us cause they have bee able to score on us easily in the passing game.
December 26th, 2019 at 11:03 am
Mark2001
Way to take me out of context.
The quote was “#1 run defense means absolutely nothing in the NFL IF YOU HAVE A BAD PASS DEFENSE”
Nice try.
December 26th, 2019 at 11:13 am
The Bucs defense has had 421 total points scored on them which is the 3rd most points allowed in the NFL.
But thank god for that stout run D. So again………
“#1 run defense label means absolutely nothing in the NFL if you have a bad pass defense”
December 26th, 2019 at 11:53 am
The modern NFL is pass happy now
……the days of getting 3 yards in a cloud of dust are over.
You gotta have a stout pass defense #1
…..then concentrate on stopping the run.
I only have on plea…….PLEASE GLAZERS…….DON’T PAY JAMEIS…..let this interception machine walk out the door.
December 26th, 2019 at 7:11 pm
It was an exact quote… what more could one give.
If you say crazy things and then have to try to restate them in a rational way isn’t my problem…it is yours.
And funny.. I wonder why, with such a great football mind as you think you have, that every D coordinator in the league is concerned about stopping the run, as well as the pass, and the pass rush…in addition to dozens of other things.
If they had your knowledge, their lives and jobs would be so much happier.
December 26th, 2019 at 7:17 pm
Anthem.. yes, the three yards and cloud of dust has been substituted with the modern game. The rules have been changed to increase scoring, the passing game, and protect receivers and the QB. You have to wonder how even greats like John Lynch would have to change their game since their playing time.
But a good running game is like an anaconda,… with less than 5 minutes to play and a good running game, you can squeeze the life out of the clock and the opponent. And that is one reason it is so desired. And of course, you can keep your D off the field, and have a well rested team, particularly as the season goes on. And a good running game will wear down a defensive.
It has it’s place…and that is why every coach wants one, and wants to stop the other teams running game. You don’t have to listen to me…listen to every HC and what they say about the run game/ defense.
December 29th, 2019 at 4:18 pm
After todays game any questions ???
Transition tag him and pray someone signs him to an offer sheet
JW sucks !!!!
December 31st, 2019 at 11:32 am
I wish they wouldn’t have pick up the optional 5th year, I had seen enough through 4 years. However Arians being a QB guru, I was thinking if he can’t fix Jameis no one can. Well, Arians has apparently given up on him. Also his demand sounds like a clown show to me. It’s time to move on!