No Run Game = Jameis Return

December 10th, 2019

A former NFL quarterback jumped on his national stage yesterday and explained to the world why it will be an easy decision for the Bucs to bring back America’s Quarterback, Jameis Winston, for a sixth season in 2020.

Currently a weekday host on SiriusXM NFL Radio, Brady Quinn is known for calling it straight and he disagreed with his co-host Bruce Murray when Murray painted a picture of the Bucs facing a tough decision soon regarding what to do with Jameis.

“I don’t think it’s tough at all,” Quinn said.

Speaking like a true QB, Quinn said he sees what Jameis has to work with and appreciates the numbers he’s put up.

“Bottom line is if you look at [Jameis] this year, he’s been sacked 41 times. The offensive line play around him hasn’t been quite has good. He’s already been sacked more than he ever has in his career [in a season]. … So clearly the protection hasn’t been as good,” Quinn said. “You tell me. Can this team run the football? I guess I’ll answer that for you. Because they can’t. Every once in a while you’ll see Ronald Jones or Peyton Barber step up and have a decent performance.”

Joe gave the running game take a standing ovation.

The Bucs have the 14th-most rushing attempts in the NFL but only the 25th-most yards rushing, and they rank 28th in the NFL at yards per carry. That combination is the definition of a miserable rushing attack. And remove Jameis from those rushing stats and it looks far worse for the running backs.

Dangit! Tampa Bay might have been one running back away from the playoffs this season. And that’s all on Jason Licht and Bruce Arians.

Quinn went on to acknowledge Jameis has true studs to throw to, and Quinn said the frequency of Jameis pushing the ball down the field in Arians’ offense slightly negates his high interception total.

Behind the scenes, Quinn said, Licht and Arians likely have the evaluation mindset, ‘All right. Is he doing what we ask him to do?’ in part because management knows the Bucs have no running game and a ho-hum offensive line.

Also, the Bucs will believe Jameis is ripe for improvement in his second season in Bruce Arians’ season, Quinn said, so a franchise tag is very likely for 2020, or both parties agreeing to a short multi-year deal.

64 Responses to “No Run Game = Jameis Return”

  1. AlteredEgo Says: Your comment is awaiting moderation. Says:

    Chicken or the egg…RB or OL….I say OL is priority for multiple reasons…Dotson ,bless his heart, is 35 and GONE !…I am a trench guy with the early picks both OL & DL…far too often our RB’s are meet in the hole or has the break the LOS…

  2. JP_09 Says:

    The decision is not that hard, he’s too good to just let walk but he’s not good enough yet for a 5 yr 150 million dollar contract either. You offer him a Two year deal with incentives if he takes it he stays if not then let him test the market. Either way you have to bring in QB competition(and I’m not talking Blaine gabbert or RG4)

  3. D-Rome Says:

    He’s coming back. There is no question about it. He’s still below average.

  4. Hodad Says:

    A short flexible deal with Jameis would be best, but this team needs to draft a QB somewhere regardless. I’d love to see us draft Hurts. Leftwich, Clyde, BA, all these QB coaches need a young pupil to groom.

  5. D-Rome Says:

    By the way, the offensive line gives Jameis more time to throw than 20 other starting QBs in the NFL. He has far more clean pockets from the offensive line than they are given credit for by the fans (which is zero credit).

  6. Mort Says:

    He gets 25 million a year on the open market. Sign the kid!

  7. Bobby M Says:

    Opposing teams are committed to stopping the run and letting Winston throw. We literally do the same exact thing with the benefit of a solid pass rush. It makes the opposing team predictable forcing them to beat you with the pass. In the case of Winston, teams are willing to make that gamble week in/week out and its proven to work in their favor pretty well. He gets stats, they get turnovers…which statistically puts them at a huge advantage to securing a win. As the saying goes, if it aint broke don’t fix it.….Nobody is looking at the last game against the Colts and saying, “oh no, now we have to respect the pass”….There were 3 interceptions with potentially 2 more….Teams literally comment every week how they know Winston will gift wrap opportunities multiple times per game….They just have to capitalize.

  8. Destinjohnny Says:

    Thank god we drafted Justin Evans over Alvin Kamara

  9. Señor Harry in Costa Rica Says:

    Señor Harry in Costa Rica Says:
    December 10th, 2019 at 7:59 am
    I hate the idiot commenters on this site. ANYONE who thinks we should cut JW, who leads the friggin NFL in TDs, and yards is a complete tool. Yeah, I get the argument of the league leading #INTs, but since that is something that has the potential to be fixed, you don’t dump the talent that Jameis clearly has.

    As for sitting JW, et al, to see what we have in Griffin and any backups on the OL, come on ppl! We finally get a 3 game winning streak – the first in how many years? – and you want to bring it to a halt?! OMG, you clearly can’t fix STUPID!

  10. The Buc Realist Says:

    jameis = no playoffs

    jameis 2020 = half empty stadium

    Wait until the sheep see the schedule for 2020!!!!!!! it will not be the cupcake easy @$$ schedule that it was this year!!!!!!! 2020 will be another wasted year trying to prove that building around wrong players will never equate to success!!!!!!!!!!!! But the bruce Arrogance can [email protected] on the local media and tell them it is just raining!!!!!!! And the local media will say how it was a drought and they needed that rain!!!!!!!!!!!!! local media and the sheep will get exactly the team that they deserve!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    go bucs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  11. Jonathan Limpchimpi Says:

    Probably the most measured, reasonable take I’ve heard from an analyst. Arians offense is known to be slow developing…oftentimes putting the QB at greater risk of getting hit/intercepted. The running backs are mediocre at best…with “Don’t You” Dare making me nervous every time he touches the ball. As Joe said…he was clutch on 4th down late in the game. Thankfully we went down right away.

  12. ChanEpic Says:

    @Senor Harry – 45% of the reason the consistent JW haters hate is because they are big ots and black QBs have been hated on for their skin color since there have been black QBs. 25% of the hate comes from a very real and valid disgust of his off the field history of dumbassery the other 30% is from “fans” who couldn’t find their own (undoubtedly large) azzes without a map and GPS.

  13. Señor Harry in Costa Rica Says:

    “…Opposing teams are committed to stopping the run… teams are willing to make that gamble week in/week out…”

    This is hysterical. Teams do NOT have to COMMIT to stop the Bucs run game. Our RBs suck so bad, there is no “gamble” to stopping the running game. So one can only imagine what JW can do once he gets an explosive RB.


  14. Robert Says:

    25 million, with a million dollar loss for each interception thats obviously on him.

  15. Señor Harry in Costa Rica Says:

    Probably true, but that is very sad commentary that there are so many pathetic, stupid people who judge on appearance. For the record, I am an old white guy. Not as old as TBBF, lol, but up there.

    @Tmax, btw, did TBBF ever tell you the story about the making of the first wheel?

  16. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    For me….it’s all about the money……we should get a good deal……

  17. zzbuc Says:

    He throws so many yards because our OL is not good, you dont have a running game thats absolutely true, but the main reason is because he turns the ball over to many times and at the beginning of the game , so you get yourself in a situation where you have to have a perfect game to win, wich sometimes he does it like sundays game , but most part of the games he doesn´t, just look at his records in his 5 years tenure……He turns the ball over sistematically and he makes plays nobody can make….Will you win games? Yes sometimes! Will you win super bowls? No way!!!!!! You will keep pn being what the bucs have been, a very inconsistent team with a bipolar kind of QB!!!! I

  18. 813bucboi Says:

    2years 50mil guaranteed 3rd year option at 35mil for JW….

    re-sign JPP
    re-sign SHAQ
    offer SUH 1year 6mil with incentives that can bring it up to 8mil…
    offer nassib 3 years 18mil with incentives….

    draft DT, DE, OLB, OT and OG….

    sign FA CB, RB, FS

    GO BUCS!!!!!!

  19. Scotty in Fat Antonio Says:

    No take on the less than stellar OL play Quinn mentions Joes?

  20. ocala Says:

    Most reasonable fans and Joe have been saying this for a long time.

    The Bucs have put Jamies in a difficult position of having a bad offensive line, bad running game, terrible kicking game and a bad defense.

    I do think the Bucs defense is looking much improved over the last month. The kicking game looks much better as Matt Gay(despite loosing the Giants game on a gimme kick) looks like he has become a solid NFL kicker.

    The Bucs biggest problem is it still has a bad offensive line and no running game.

    I am hoping the Bucs draft next April looks something like this:

    First Round OT
    Second Round OG
    Third Round RB
    Third Round OT
    Fourth Round DT
    Fifth Round NT
    Sixth Round DB

  21. 813bucboi Says:


    you come from hiding in the closet the past 2weeks singing a different tune….lol….

    2019 only revealed that you’re still a fraud!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    TB has embarrassed smitty and BL has exposed dirk!!!!!!!!!!!

    real fans could care less about the schedule because we finally have competent coaches that know how to play to players strength, make in game and half time adjustments and most importantly develop players!!!!!!!!!!!

    go meet smitty in the closet chump!!!!!!!!!…dirk will be joining you soon!!!!!

    GO BUCS!!!!!

  22. lowercaseg Says:

    1st round should be OT, 2nd round should be DL

  23. Dusthty Rhothdes Says:

    Time to get rid of jason licht and the scouting department that has no clue how to build a team nor what a a legit NFL rb looks like

  24. Evolvingbucsfan Says:

    Joe, wondering if you saw the article on Pinion hitting Quinten Nelson in the head with a punt during pregame warm ups? Shows the Ca-Jonies of Pinion, Nelson marched over to give Pinion a stern and firm “watch it little man” talk lol, so what does Pinion do? he continues his warm ups by hitting another one close to Nelson.
    There is video of Nelson grabbing the ball and punting it back to Pinion with decent form for a big man, would have laughed if Nelson pulled a hammy during that stunt.

  25. BucAllNight Says:

    There is something in the water in FL… ALL of yall cant be this dumb.

    JW = Passing Crown + Re-signed + Winning Season

    See ya in 2020 ladies!!

  26. martinii Says:

    Re-sign Winston to 2 yr max deal loaded with incentives and then pick Dobbins or Taylor in the first. I really don’t see a long line of teams offering Jameis big bucks because of his W/L record and his turnover problems. (off field problems included) He has had an excellent receiving corps and has played most of his career from behind. (hence passing yards) I agree another year with BA and the fact that he is comfortable in Tampa helps also.

  27. The Buc Realist Says:


    If you want more “Realist” , Tell joe to stop the ridiculous moderation that started 2 years ago, when I was telling the truth about jw3 and turnovers when no one else wanted to talk about back then!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    and lets see these embarrassing numbers that you so wrongly claim!!!!!!!!!!

    and for those keeping score!!!!!!!!!!!

    Loser Frazier 25.6 Points Allowed per Game (16 games)
    Loser Lovie – 26.1 Points Allowed per Game (16 games)
    Coach Smitty -24.97 Points Allowed Per Game ( 37 games)
    mark duffner – 26.45 Points Allowed Per Game ( 11 games)
    toilet bowles – 29.3 Points Allowed Per Game ( 13 games)

    Pretty telling stats that the local media and sheep will never say or talk about !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    If you are excited, than it is about the players that they are/have been replacing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    But I don’t blame 813buffoon, I blame the poor public education that has failed 813buffoon!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    go bucs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  28. Rick Says:


  29. Allbuccedup Says:

    1st round OT, 2nd Round DT, 3rd round RB, 3rd round QB, 4th round OLB/EDGE, 5th round WR, 6th round TE(That stays healthy release Brate). Franchise Winston,Sign Barrett to 3y 45-48 mil. Let Suh walk, sign Nassib, see what JPP will settle for, go from there.

  30. Runnerdoc Says:

    Quinn is correct. It’s not tough at all.

  31. SammyRebel Says:

    Kareem freaking hunt joe we need to attack these trenches and get that man or Derrick Henry

  32. Steven007 Says:

    Henry would look good in a Bucs uniform but he’s likely going to want too much money. Hunt will be the way to go.

  33. Runnerdoc Says:

    Hopefully, they sign both Barrett and Jameis.

    The franchise tag creates ill will. There’s no reason. I think both will get 3 years. The guaranteed money will be negotiated.

    A commitment to Jameis is a commitment to management’s belief in this roster going forward. I believe they’ll roll the dice.

    No risk it. No biscuit.

  34. Runnerdoc Says:

    Why not LaVeon Bell?

  35. Buc1987 Says:

    The Buc Realist Says:

    “jameis 2020 = half empty stadium”

    Apparently you haven’t been paying attention.

    The stadium isn’t even 1/4 full now.

    At least not with fans wearing read that is.

    Terrible take Realist.

  36. Conte Piscateli Says:

    No one want to talk about the fact that he had over 500 pad attempts this season, add an average of 40 for the next three games, add the sacks and he is closing in on 700 dropbacks for the season, that is a historically ridiculously high number.

  37. stpetebucsfan Says:

    I’m with TBBF and those expressing cost concerns.

    Where there is a will there’s a way. If JW wants to play in Tampa even if his agent is greedy…something could get financed. If he doesn’t or if his ego needs a contract that includes boasting value…let’s face it the money became Monopoly like long ago…we are just talking about bragging rights.

    Obviously load up a contract with lots of very valuable incentives…if JW leads us to the playoffs next year he should get paid…if not…he doesn’t deserve the big bucks.

    I would want all incentives tied to WINS…and playoff appearances and how far we advance. I could CARE LESS about any passing stats…or even int’s as long as we win.

    Show me the W’s and playoffs and I say then show JW the $$$.

  38. Jean Lafitte Says:

    Quinn’s position is that offensive line is weak contrary to Joe’s belief that they are above average.

    I believe they are average against average defensive lines but are usually overmatched against talented defensive lines. Of all their weaknesses they do pass block better than the run block. Of course I think the offensive scheme makes it slightly tougher to run in than the traditional pro-set type offenses. Especially the ones that utilize a lead blocker. Imagine using Vea as a lead blocker and getting RoJo to the second level. … “Dynamic Duo”

  39. Pewter power Says:

    You can come here and get some of the craziest takes ever by average fan thing to sound like they know more than they do and it’s so comical.

    No one has to commit to stopping the run game. They have stop our receivers which means stopping Winston on the ground and through the air haters, they are the offense. Our tackles are below average even when playing against rookies and there has been no push since cappa got injured. Our center should be taking a pay cut because he is not worth the salary based on his pay. None of that excuses the interceptions but for all the changes that we should make this offseason Winston wisely wont be one of them but still draft a backup and stop wasting time and money on useless cheap vets

  40. Brandon Says:

    Say what you want about Jameis, he is the best that will be available by far. No rookie, and no available vet will be able to come in and digest Arians’ system and make it work. Nobody available can stand tall in the pocket, and push the ball down the field like him. He’s only 25. The dude is literally the present day Brett Favre. Favre had something like four years of 20+ INTs, four years of sub 80 ratings, and only six years of 4000 yards… while Jameis has one season of 20+ picks, no years of sub 80 ratings, and three out of five seasons being 4000 yards or more…. ANNNNNDDDDDDD Favre almost always had an excellent defense and sometimes had a very good running game (Dorsey Levens or Ahman Green anyone?).

    I’m not making excuses for his performances, but we’re literally watching Brett Favre here. Give Winston a good defense and any semblance of a running game and this team wins 10+ games every season.

  41. Donnie wish we were better Buc fan Says:

    In Jameis first 5 years he is -7 in TDs to TOs
    Even though he has less ints than Peyton Manning he has more turnovers and less TD to make up for it.

    IMO this organization (Jason Licht) is purposely neglecting the running game to prop up JW so he looks better at his job.

    Imagine this team with Dalvin Cook….

  42. Brandon Says:

    And speaking of the INTs and excuses… I will say that Darius Leonard made two fantastic plays on the ball, most QBs would’ve thrown those picks too… and the third hit Perriman in the hands. He threw the ball, so therefore they are his fault, but I don’t have a major problem with him throwing them. Great plays by defenders happen and balls are inadvertently tipped (OJ Howard behind the back pass anyone?).

  43. Jonny Says:

    I don’t understand why Joes never are critical of the O line as they are of the RBs. Our o line is among the worst in the league in both departments, but mainly run blocking. Watch NFL game pass replays of the last two games. The RBs are doing the most out of what little they have to work with.

  44. Adrnagy Says:

    Easy ….
    move cappa to his natural position RT. Then go and draft Tyler Biadasz.
    D. Smith. T.Biadasz. Jensen. Marpet. Cappa.

  45. Buc1987 Says:

    Brandon…I’ve been comparing him to Favre since FSU.


  46. Pugs&Bucs Says:

    “Dangit! Tampa Bay might have been one running back away from the playoffs this season.”


  47. Donnie wish we were better Buc fan Says:

    TD/RushTD/INT/Fumbles/-/+/Passing Yards/Rushing Yards/GS
    Peyton M 138/ 9/ -100/ -27/ 20/ 20,618/ 556/ 80
    Jameis W 114/ 10/ -81/ -50/ -7/ 18,743/ 1019/ 67

  48. JimbobBucsFan Says:

    There are other things involved in a turnaround for a franchise in addition to the attitudes of the players.  Yes, culture change starts with players trying to win on the field and never giving up.

    Personnel development by the coaching staff is another.  Weeding out the talented but non-performing individuals is still another.

    Licht got us into the cap space mess this past year by trying to prop up the coaching failures with personnel he brought in previous years.  Last year his hands were tied.  Arians and Licht could not fix the defensive backfield, the offensive line and the running game in just one off season.  They prioritized and addressed what they could.

    The coaches know what we have now and what our priorities are for the the next off season.  Step two of the retool/rebuild effort will occur.

  49. bucsfaninchina Says:

    Joes protecting the O line

  50. TexBuc Says:


    Excellent points made which I totally agree with.

  51. 1sparkybuc Says:

    Peyton Manning had a far superior team around him, as well as better coaches. For that reason, his teams were competitive quicker. The defense is improving and I like this coaching staff. Fix the OL and add a dynamic RB and the Bucs will be a playoff team with Jameis at QB.

  52. Pugs&Bucs Says:

    🔼🔼🔼 SPARKY GETS IT. Peyton had Harrison and Wayne, Jameis has Evans and Godwin.

    The difference is Peyton had Edgerin James and Tony Dungy coaching a defense.

    People need to recognize that JW is leading a TOP 5 offense with NO running game. In other words, HALF of an NFL offense is more effective than 27 other teams in the NFL w/ JW at the helm. 🤩❗️🧐❗️

  53. ODY LEAN Says:


    That doesn’t negate the fact we need OL and RB improvements come this offseason. Our offense would be out of this world if the OL/RB position is addressed.

    Go Bucs!

  54. Jonathan Limpchimpi Says:

    Runnerdoc Says:
    December 10th, 2019 at 9:27 am
    Why not LaVeon Bell?


    Probably a reasonable plan…his stock is down with the Jets ( Gase never wanted him ) and most of the signing bonus/guaranteed loot is no doubt spent. Bucs will be up against the cap given Winston re-signing/ Barrett franchise option is my guess, however.

  55. Boombang Says:

    Personally, I agree with Quinn…..The Bucs already know what they have in Winston and their decision has already been made to keep Winston.
    Like J. Limpchimpi said about Arians, it is a downfield passing game and prone to interception, I personally don’t believe Licht or BA are that concerned with Winston’s turnover rate, and I say that because it now makes sense to me concerning comments BA made.
    I read an article where a reporter asked Winston ” What does BA think or say after an interception” Winston’s reply was direct and simple “Keep Firing” To me that doesn’t sound like a coach that is too concerned about the interception….I am sure their is more to the conversation than ” Keep Firing ” and the reasoning is simple – THEY DON’T HAVE ANY OTHER OPTION….The run game is almost non-existent.
    Another comment I read in another article BA made, it referenced how the press has crucified Winston about the high turnover that Winston had become gun shy…..BA’s solution to that was ” Just throw the damn”. I don’t believe BA came into this season with a whole lot of positivity about this season….The team definitely has a lot of talent but I think BA came into this season looking to build a winning culture as opposed to a winning season….I believe his primary goal was to get the players acclimated to his offensive system.
    When you read Quinn’s comments they make a ton of sense….Like I said earlier, the Bucs ALREADY know what they’re gonna do with Winston….The Bucs will sign Winston to a contract similiar to what Kirk Cousins or Nick Foles received……I believe Cousin’s received a 4 year 90+ million contract with 70 or 80+ million GUARANTEED…..Foles received a 4 year 80+ million dollar contract with 52+ million GUARANTEED…..Winston will get the 80 – 90 and 4 years but there ain’t a chance in hell he will receive that kind of Guaranteed money…..It would not surprise me if the Bucs and Winston’s agent aren’t already in negotiations, when they come to the table, the Bucs most certainly will have a list of NEGATIVES spanning Winston’s 5 year career….Winston’s agent will counter with a list of all Winston’s POSITIVE during the same time span…..And believe me, the positives out weight the negatives…..The Bucs are’t gonna waste a franchise tag on Winston….It doesn’t make sense….Keep in mind that the Bucs will have Barrett, Suh, Nissib, and JPP hitting the market, they CAN NOT RE-SIGN all four of these players – maybe two of them, but not all four….The smart money will be to allow Suh and JPP to hit FA……You clear up 13 million from JPP’s contract and another 10 mil From Suh’s contract….I believe the Giants just extended their LB to a contract extension at 15 per year over 4 yes…..Offer Barrett the same kind of money…..Dude is only 26 years old whereas Suh and JPP are on the other side of 30 ( 34/33) and Nassid is 27.
    Should the Bucs go 8-8 or 9- 7, they will get a top 15 draft pick….Use that pick to get a stud DE or see if they can trade back in the draft, no lower than 20, pick up some extra draft choices in either the second or third round…..The PRIORITY for the Bucs are #1 sign Winston, #2 sign Barrett, #3 sign Nassid…….Draft priority:
    #1 DL
    #2 OL
    #3 RB/Receiver/kick/Punt returner

  56. pryda...sec 147 Says:

    Going to be tagged then receive massive deal when new CBA comes out after 2020 season

  57. 813bucboi Says:


    joe is doing the right thing by putting you in a temporary cooler!!!!!!!!!!!!…lol…

    joe is basically telling you to”PUT A LID ON IT”!!!!!!!!!!…..

    since you’re stuck in the closet, please post the offensive stats…..

    you’ll see BL has the offense producing at a level dirk could only dream of… 3 in scoring and top3 in yards…..

    2019 revealed that you’re still a fraud!!!!!!!!

    i dont blame you….i blame momma realist for home schooling you!!!!!!….

    welcome to the real world!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    GO BUCS!!!!!!!

  58. Oneilbucs Says:

    Remember we just got rid of our hold 2016 draft class. Draft picks are not a garoteain that he will be a good player. This offense is to high risk for a rookie quarterback with no running game to be successful.

  59. TexBuc Says:


    BIG difference between fumbles (50) and fumbles lost (31).

    Stop trying inflate numbers if you do not like Winston fine, but with the fake stats.

  60. BucHead588 Says:

    I remember what Jameis did when Doug Martin was 2nd in Rushing Yards an Sims had 500 yards rushing an 500 Rec he was Solid very solid Jameis best year yet

  61. Proudbucsfan Says:

    @Boombang that is the smartest comment out of the 60 plus here, and I’ve read them all. The only thing that I disagree with you on is that the buc’s #1 priority after the season would be to resign Barrett, I think Winston is a close 2nd, IMO, they’re gonna let Winston test the waters to see how much his market is worth then match what he is offered.

  62. July Joe Says:

    Any team that has a QB with as many yards & TDs and as high as YPA as Jameis, should be close to the top of the NFL in yards per carrying in their run game … that the Bucs are 28th proves their run game is DISGUSTINGLY BAD … even when the defense is 100% keyed to stop the passing game, they still can’t get 4.0 yards per carry … but yeah #BlameJameis

  63. Joseph Mamma Says:


    Many people have come on this blog and repeated the same line about how nobody can come in and replace Winston and perform better. Since he was drafted, many rookies have come in the league and outperformed him.

    You have no idea how the new crop of quarterbacks will perform next year. Teams spend millions of dollars researching these players and they don’t know really know.

  64. Go Bucs 72 Says:

    Joe, no doubt RB is definitely a need, but I still feel it was the terrible secondary that cost us this season. Hargreaves should have never stepped on the field this year. He’s a pretty boy and complete garbage as a player.