Another One For The Contract Column
December 1st, 2019
Stocked with another “W,” the contract train is moving fast toward America’s Quarterback, Jameis Winston, returning for his sixth consecutive season as the Buccaneers starter.
With four games to play this season, Jameis is coming off another Sunday of making special throws and sound decisions, this time without any interceptions in today’s beating of the Jaguars.
Jameis finished 21-of-33 for 268 yards with no picks or touchdowns. Another naughty lost fumble for Jameis in the second half, but it wasn’t a factor in the 28-11 win.
He spread the ball around, made some gorgeous throws and probably would have had a much bigger day if Byron Leftwich didn’t roll out the turtle game plan in the second half.
At this point, Joe is confident only a big Jameis implosion over the final three games will keep him from getting the franchise tag slapped on him this offseason. Joe wrote “three games” because Joe sure hopes the Bucs do the smart thing and start Ryan Griffin in the season finale.
Of course, history says Jameis has another clunker in him before the end of the season. But screw history today.
December 1st, 2019 at 5:26 pm
He gave the Bucs a chance to win- Ill take it every game
December 1st, 2019 at 5:31 pm
He didn’t hurt the Bucs today. It just shows that turnovers decide games
December 1st, 2019 at 5:32 pm
268 yards and 0 tds
However, he managed the game the way it should be done
Thought he had a great game
The 1 fumble was not really a big deal.
If he plays like he did today , the bucs will win a lot more games
I know jacksonville is borderline garbage but jameis controlled game for bucs and made big plays and kept the chains going forward
December 1st, 2019 at 5:34 pm
Wasn’t too shabby, but hardly a top dollar QB. I am still not sure if Jameis can hone in and ever be consistent enough for the Bucs.
December 1st, 2019 at 5:39 pm
Pump your breaks there other Joe.
December 1st, 2019 at 5:40 pm
Agreed. Deserved or not (hell no for me) Jameis has the tag in the bag, especially since Licht and Arians will look to save face. I think that we are just delaying the inevitable, but Jameis makes some crazy good throws every game and that is enough for some. I’m happy we won, so I am gonna keep my bitchin to a minimum. 😁
December 1st, 2019 at 5:41 pm
He’s looked decent against two really bad teams.
December 1st, 2019 at 5:43 pm
FAMOUS DID IT …spread the ball around , took what the DEFENCE gave …and managed the game like the pro bowler that he is …if you don’t see growth in this guy …you ain’t looking!!
December 1st, 2019 at 5:43 pm
I believe any QB would’ve lost that ball, that was a tremendous individual effort by Wingard to get the ball out.
December 1st, 2019 at 5:45 pm
He has beaten 2 awful teams. This proves nothing. He’s done this before. It’s a roller coaster and why we should let him walk.
December 1st, 2019 at 5:45 pm
So sad Bucs don’t have the smarts or the courage to let this loser walk. JW will always be what he is,inconsistent, turnover machine that’s never won a meaning ful game as a Buc, so therefore he must be signed. SMH!!!! Another worthless article after another worthless win in the win column.
December 1st, 2019 at 5:52 pm
If Winston can be average with few turnovers…..our defense can win many games for us…..we have proven that the last 2 weeks….
December 1st, 2019 at 5:57 pm
If that’s a “win” for the contract column, how many tallies does he have in the other column?
December 1st, 2019 at 5:59 pm
^^^^^exactly ..we just can’t always put our defense on their heels
December 1st, 2019 at 6:04 pm
Wow funny dudes you’ve never seen up here before come out wagging their little fingers saying ” they were horrible teams!” We lost to terrible teams and almost beat some good teams. The big difference over the last two game? Less all out blitzing and the defense learning some instincts. Plus having the defensive player of the year in Shaq Barrett has helped.
December 1st, 2019 at 6:05 pm
Lol.
He’s been very streaky this year, yet our offense is still top 5 in scoring.
If he ends the year playing well, consistently, then I think that bodes well and shows an adjustment to BAs system.
Don’t forget Palmer was not very good his first 8 or so games under Arians.
December 1st, 2019 at 6:06 pm
Let’s give him time to get back to his real self…let’s wait till we play teams that have a winning record…not two terrible teams…
Let this loser walk…preferable walk the plank right into the bay…
December 1st, 2019 at 6:06 pm
Jamies will win with a good defense.
THe Bucs defense played great today. The Bucs won.
Jamies has had phenomenal games against the Giants and Seahawks, but lost because the defense was atrocious.
December 1st, 2019 at 6:07 pm
Still too slow getting the ball out, the game has changed and Winston isn’t the future. There certainly is a case to bring him back but the Bucs would be crazy to pay him a franchise quarterback price. I see his role as a journeyman QB that can bounce around the NFL plugging in as a starter for teams that need a bridge QB.
The speed of the game is too fast for him. He had a better than average day vs the Jags but against middle to above average defenses he folds.
December 1st, 2019 at 6:07 pm
If we gonna pin losses on Winston it’s only fair to credit him when we win.
Answer this……What did he not do today that we needed?
His fumbles have really ticked me off over the years. This one? I’m fine with. The fumbles that bother me are the only caused by carelessness and/or poor decision making. That was not why this one happened. He was crumbled on that play and was protecting the football.
I can give credit to the defender making a play on Winston ball. Try it sometimes.
December 1st, 2019 at 6:08 pm
Pay him 101 million
101 turnovers and counting.
December 1st, 2019 at 6:14 pm
Did Winston convert a 3rd down in the second half?
Winston is brilliant one play and inexplicably bad on the next.
In his defense, I do like seeing him run for first downs 2-3 times a game. He is very athletic and shows nice mobility and quick feet.
I think signing Winston would be a mistake. He’s just too inconsistent.
December 1st, 2019 at 6:14 pm
Sign him to a 3 year 45 million dollar deall (guarantee 30 million). At 15 million a year we can afford to resign key players and add a quality free agent or 2. We can win with Winston if we field a top 10-15 defense.
December 1st, 2019 at 6:17 pm
2 wins vs NFL garbage. Joe, 5 years of losing. Dont drag everyone else down with this stupidity. 5 years. 100+ turnovers. Bringing Winston back is a miatake.
December 1st, 2019 at 6:18 pm
Where was he in the 2nd half? Plus the D really help with the scoring today.
December 1st, 2019 at 6:21 pm
Jameis was good until we went turtle in the second half. Defense played great and Gay made his kicks. Bucs win!! Crazy how the latter two make Jameis better. Kinda looks like winning football
December 1st, 2019 at 6:23 pm
Colonel………A little bit of a minor problem in your little plan there. Starting QBs cost more then that.
Not just responding to you cause I read comments saying the same thing everyday.
These unrealistic numbers yall toss around are baseless and misinforming to the fanbase. Time to remove your GM caps. Just not wearing them properly.
December 1st, 2019 at 6:27 pm
Jeff…..He was handing the ball off and eating all come in the 2nd half.
Did I miss the part of the second half when we needed a TD or did we not never need one?
See that’s called garbage time……You know the time of the game that some fans like to scold Winston for. When he scores.
Let’s worry about the stats that matter. A W today.
December 1st, 2019 at 6:28 pm
Eating the clock**
December 1st, 2019 at 6:33 pm
After watching Potential presidential candidate Joe Biden eat fingers I’ve totally forgotten about the whole eating W’s. My confidence in Winston is going up ever so slightly. Hey it’s Christmas don’t take away my Buccaneer enthusiasm!
December 1st, 2019 at 6:34 pm
Jimmy Jack, you fail to recognize what the market means. You are assuming teams out there want Winston as a starting QB. You only pay starting QBs starting QB money. When you have a guy at the cross roads like Winston is, he is somewhere in between. Three years and 50ish is about the most anyone would go for now, and probably then only about 35 guaranteed. Those numbers are very realistic. Look at similar cases. You also forget he is not franchise face worthy because of his baggage. Anyone wanting a multiyear starting QB money also would have hopes of him being their franchise’s face.
Winston still doesn’t have his own personal marquee on our own stadium for a reason, and still doesn’t draw advertisers for a reason. The numbers above are VERY realistic. Learn business, and stop stealing seats you don’t pay for in my stadium, and you might amount to something. Kinda funny you are telling people to stop playing GM…of all people.
December 1st, 2019 at 6:35 pm
Idiots!!!! Winston didn’t go turtle. Leftwitch did as we were up by 25 and running the ball
December 1st, 2019 at 6:40 pm
guys fun fact this is the lowest points an opponent has ever been held to in the Winston era get the man a defense simple as that
December 1st, 2019 at 6:43 pm
“Joe is confident only a big Jameis implosion over the final three games will keep him from getting the franchise tag slapped on him this offseason.”
There are two problems with this. First, Winston will have at least one implosion in one game of the four left. That is ONE reason why he doesn’t have a contract now. It’s who he is. Second, teams only put the franchise tag on players who could be future true franchise players. His best case is as a bridge QB that starts for three years, likely less, but maybe more (doubtful). Winston’s continued problems this year (don’t forget he had a good stretch last year his last six games when they were out of it then too) and him playing well in meaningless games carries little weight. It is a business decision at this point. focus on that. It is fans supporting the team (or not) and cap space. All know who Winston is. Period. Like I said, his best case (is a bridge deal). It is fair to say because of his character issues he will never be endeared by multitudes of fans. Sure, maybe he’s a new man now. But that doesn’t erase the past–never will. Don’t believe me? Just ask all those teams talking to his agent now and all those corporations who want Jameis to sell their products. Oh, there are none.
December 1st, 2019 at 6:45 pm
Haha morons defense plays great two weeks in a row which means Jameis isn’t playing from behind and can trust his defense to play another down and look what happens…2 wins in a row! Go Bucs! Draft o and d line and pick up an RB and lock down corner and we will be set for the Super Bowl in Tampa!
December 1st, 2019 at 6:46 pm
Three major takeaways today. First: Winston didn’t make a multitude of poor decisions. Very good. That is what is ALWAYS expected. The fact everyone is seems so suprprised shows how low expectations of Winston are. Second: This is the fourth win of five where the defense made plays to complement offense’s play and seal the game. If they can do this against next week against Indy, this team is really improving in that young secondary. Three: Matt Gay has shown his resilience in ability to bounce back from last week’s poor showing. Think he’ll be okay.
December 1st, 2019 at 6:47 pm
I dont get the argument that he holds the ball to long. Do u people even watch the game who say that? On 90% of them sacks hes running for his life right of the snap if he tried to throw it to the side line it would get picked. The o line is shakey at best. Also his season time to throw is bottom half of the entire nfl. The dude does wonders with what he has. Does he try to hard sometimes? Sure but that’s the blessing and curse of a player like that. Get him complimentary deffence like we seen the last 2 games and he wins games. It’s not rocket science.
Sign jameis for as cheap as possible if he even wants to stay here.(I wouldn’t., his fan base is a bunch of haters)
Tag shaq if we cant get a deal worked out.
Sign jpp,suh,Godwin.
December 1st, 2019 at 6:48 pm
Draft, oline x 2, rb, dl, db
December 1st, 2019 at 6:52 pm
I’m glad that Minshew didn’t start the game for the Jags today or this article may be totally different
December 1st, 2019 at 7:00 pm
Barrett is the clear candidate for franchise tag money, but the Bucs believe this defense is close to where they want it personnel wise, with the exception of a veteran corner and DT to replace Suh. Suh’s done his job in mentoring Vea, and likely cost-prohibitive to bring back unless he takes a huge cut. Focus needs to be JPP, Barrett, Nassib, and locking Godwin up long term. In that order. If they can do all that without the franchise tag, that provides stability. They may be able to do the first three, but not Godwin. Basically, they know they want these guys long term. You don’t franchise tag a guy that you won’t long term–as it’s actually more expensive short term, which is where their problems with salary cap have been. My bet is they don’t use the franchise tag at all.
December 1st, 2019 at 7:04 pm
Guess who is due for another multiple turnover game next week in front of a home (lack of) crowd? Oh that’s right, Winston gets a the unique asterisk on his 101 turnovers that not all of them are his fault.
December 1st, 2019 at 7:04 pm
PA Bucs
It’s a love hate with me regarding Winston but release times are actually a measured stat in the NFL. Brady always being close to number one and Winston has always been bottom half of the league and that’s conservative. All I can hope is there is still tie to prove his decision making skills grow with age and experience.
December 1st, 2019 at 7:05 pm
Anonymous……That is fair. If you wanna let Winston test the market you are right. His value will be dictated by the others teams. However if you wanna keep Winston as a Buc you gonna have to keep him as your starter and pay him the going rate.
Now if you don’t wanna pay him to be a starter then 99% he gonna wanna test the market and see if he can get a starters job elsewhere. I will not pretend to know what the market will be for Winston.
Bottomline if you wanna keep Winston you not throwing a below market deal to him and asking him to lead the team. You gotta pay him what a starter makes bro…….Now if you don’t wanna pay him to be a starter that’s your opinion and you entilted to it.
You don’t go to the Dollar tree to buy energizers and you don’t sign a starting QB in NFL on a WRs contract. Just worth more bud
December 1st, 2019 at 7:05 pm
Anonymous, don’t be anonymous, you are right on the money about Jay Miss!
December 1st, 2019 at 7:10 pm
PA……I think it’s funny you call out our fans for hating……and your from PA……The two teams from PA would almost defientally have run off any QB who lost as much as Winston has and had as many turnovers.
Our fanbase is actually rather take compared to many others……..Don’t even think I remember Winston getting boos in our stadium. Absolutely would not of been the case elsewhere.
December 1st, 2019 at 7:23 pm
Don’t think BL went turtle….
jags made adjustments and BL didn’t put JW in position to lose the game….
GO BUCS
December 1st, 2019 at 7:29 pm
Winston made some decent throws today but if you actually pay attention to the ball placement it’s not good. Winston constantly overthrows Evan who can catch just about anything. There were a lot of points left off the board. Jacksonville would have probably won if Minchew would have started.
The defense played good today. Winston should be left to explore the market at the end of the season. Why should the GM bid against himself?
December 1st, 2019 at 7:30 pm
This is high comedy. I’m reading these comments as “fans” complain that we’re losing draft position and only winning against “garbage” teams (meanwhile, our team just won two in a row with really strong defense, winning the turnover battle, and a decent kicking game today) while watching a 4-7 team versus a 3-8 team play as if their lives depended upon it (meanwhile the Denver FANS are totally into it!). Are we THAT spoiled as a fan base that we can’t enjoy a couple of wins in Nov/Dec?
December 1st, 2019 at 7:35 pm
Jurivicous……Some of these Maroons just don’t know what good for em.
Remeber the words of the King from after the Falcons game……Said it was the best football he seen in……3……years.
He was right and it was followed up today with another solid performance.
GO BUCS!!
December 1st, 2019 at 7:40 pm
Another naughty fumble loss? How about protecting your QUARTERBACK! That’s right Jameis is black! Does not matter on this corner of the web?
December 1st, 2019 at 7:43 pm
JimmyJack, you just don’t seem to get it. You are acting like Winston is looked at as a starter for other teams, by other teams and as if the Bucs or anyone else think he’s worth what starters get. He’s not in the same ballpark as those other guys. His resume is pretty weak in fact–and at five years plus, you pay a guy big for “potential.” The Bucs would love for him to test the market and come back to them for the type of deal discussed. They will not overpay in some ridiculous frantic effort to keep him. That works out great for Winston too, for if he turns out to be better over the next few years, then he can talk more money.
December 1st, 2019 at 7:46 pm
Winston has been looking very consistent these past 2 weeks
especially in the first half of todays game………..
Especially versus NAPOLEON DYNAMITE at QB for the Jags!
December 1st, 2019 at 7:49 pm
WInston is an average QB. He does not justify a long term deal. You can sign him to a conservative franchise friendly 1 year deal
AND DRAFT A QB LIKE JALEN HURTS (DUAL THREAT)
If “Trash” Licht refuses to draft a legit QB prospect in 2020 Im gonna go to One Buc Place and personally Flip him the bird from the sidewalk, stands or wherever physically possible
December 1st, 2019 at 7:50 pm
Losing draft position by winning late in the season is not a bad thing. Yes, I know the fans hate it, especially after a decade-plus playoff drought. But the players the Bucs want to keep, and the free agents we need to get are much easier keeps and gets when they see an upside. If the team looked (as) hopeless (as they did a month ago) they’d be looking more to push out of Tampa at the season’s end. Guys like JPP, who has roots here and who knows he can be team captain and start for the foreseeable future is more inclined to negotiate a more equitable deal for both sides. This saves money, time, and provides stability. We aren’t the Bengals, and won’t draft top five, so best to win and show promise for the fans and prospective players.
December 1st, 2019 at 7:50 pm
JimmyJack: EXACTLY. You gotta start SOMEWHERE.
In ‘96, we won 5 of our last 7 to get to 6-10 and gain momentum going into the next year. Those 5 wins? They came against 3 teams that finished below .500, one that finished 8-8, and one that finished 9-7. I seriously doubt that Tony Dungy was lamenting their draft order or WHO they beat. Line up each week and beat the team on the other side of the line.
But hey, if you folks wanna be mad that we’ve won two in a row and 3 out of 4, don’t let me stop you.
December 1st, 2019 at 7:52 pm
Pretty sure this is his 5th consecutive season….seeings how rookie deals for 1st round picks(with picking up the option) are maxed at 5 years
December 1st, 2019 at 7:55 pm
Alvin, like the Joes, I figure why use any identifying name? It’s good for me, and it also is good because there are several “anonymous” posters so it adds another dimension. If it’s good for the goose….
And thanks for agreeing. It’s nice when someone does.
December 1st, 2019 at 8:00 pm
WInston is an Average QB nothing less nothing more.
December 1st, 2019 at 8:05 pm
Buccaneers must draft a QB in 2020 draft.
Keep Winston for all games versus teams that completely SUCK,
and develop the other QB to play him in the real games that actually matter.
December 1st, 2019 at 8:20 pm
No way am I reading all of these comments, lol.
My opinion on Winston varies from day to day, just like his game play.
I firmly believe that Jameis has it in him to become elite…it’s just a matter of player maturity setting in (and when). When it does, he may well become an all time great. Maybe. But he is a long way off from that. So what we have to ask ourselves…are we willing to invest the time for him to reach that point, rather than see him do it elsewhere?
I kind of am…at this point. I am not concerned about his cap hit. Eventually, teams will get to designate a single player’s salary as exempt from the cap (that’s how negotiations are leaning). Hopefully next year.
He has improved in a couple areas this year. His deep throws are massively improved, as are all of his throws. He still leads the defense with his eyes though.
He plays as the offensive line plays. If they play well, he plays well. If they don’t, he doesn’t. So if we keep him, we need to make sure the oline is one of the best in the NFL.
Two wins in a row, against two bad teams. I don’t care. A win is a win…and any win can build confidence, and our young secondary needs confidence.
Silly reason to bench Rojo though. I could see if he missed more than one blitz, but sheesh, the kid has really stepped up. Still, Arians seems to be making this team better. Surprisingly.
I knew certain players would improve with development, but it is starting to look like our secondary could be well on its way to being fixed. If we can keep the dline together, it is as well.
December 1st, 2019 at 8:22 pm
Jurevicius Circle Says
“In ‘96, we won 5 of our last 7 to get to 6-10 and gain momentum going into the next year. Those 5 wins? They came against 3 teams that finished below .500, one that finished 8-8, and one that finished 9-7. I seriously doubt that Tony Dungy was lamenting their draft order or WHO they beat.”
This is exactly what I have been saying…and if that is the case with this incarnation, we’ll have a better team than Dungy had, simply because we will be good on both sides of the ball.
December 1st, 2019 at 8:24 pm
:: Watches the Bucs run the ball 3x in a row ::
“Why didn’t Winston convert that? He sucks!”
– lazy Bucs fans
December 1st, 2019 at 8:24 pm
100% agreed Bonzai
December 1st, 2019 at 8:28 pm
Bonzai: I sincerely hope you’re right!
December 1st, 2019 at 8:44 pm
PLEASE pay this man his $125,000,000 for 4 years guaranteed deal TODAY!
It will be hilarious when he’s riding the pine by Year 2 of his 4-Year guaranteed deal and literally getting paid $30M+/year to do nothing (and counting against the cap).
The Glazers deserve this. And so do so many of the Jameis-homer fans.
December 1st, 2019 at 8:52 pm
200+ pass yards in the FIRST HALF … Jameis was AWESOME even with his run game stalling out.
HE WILL GET $$$$$$$$ PAID $$$$$$$$$$$$$
December 1st, 2019 at 9:05 pm
Jameis is going to get paid and should. H8ers gonna hate and they’re wrong here. J
Shag likely gets the tag. Who’s letting him get away?
December 1st, 2019 at 9:40 pm
Starting Griffin is smart? Why, to rest Jameis for the playoffs? Thank god the Joe’s don’t run a team. They’d have every recognizable name as free agents, be $100 mil over the cap and would be stuck with Johnny Football at QB.
December 1st, 2019 at 9:43 pm
If the Bucs are going the “game manager + defense” route, QB shouldn’t cost what Jameis will need to resign.
December 1st, 2019 at 10:04 pm
Jurevicius: Here’s the problem with your ridiculous take. We don’t have Dungy and all those great coaches. Oh yeah, we’re minus a few HOF’ers as well. Holy mother of God what rocks do these people crawl out from under. Winston is Favre/Manning/Brady and now we are the 97 Bucs. WTH.
2 wins vs garbage and the locos come running out.
December 2nd, 2019 at 5:49 am
How many attempts did Jameis have? LESS THAN 35!!!
He played well enough to help the TEAM win. I don’t know about this Brinks truck-like payday Joe keeps alluding to though.
December 2nd, 2019 at 9:49 am
Signing this turd is nicely summed up by Joe’s own words….”Screw history”
December 2nd, 2019 at 10:14 am
It’s still a fumble whether or not it factors in a loss. Regardless, if he keeps playing the way he has over the past two games the Bucs have to bring him back. What if we’re on the fringe of being a good team? We won’t know till the end of the year but if the Bucs end up 8-8 or 9-7 and the defense is playing well the team cannot afford to go backwards. Franchise Jay-Miss, use him for a year, and then move on.
December 2nd, 2019 at 3:10 pm
Sign Andy Dalton, likely to be cut by Bengals for half the money, and draft a development QB in the third round. Fix OL and DL in the first two rounds. Save Winston’s money by getting competent hungry free agents looking to prove themselves (Shaq Barrett for example).
December 2nd, 2019 at 4:24 pm
T REX: I didn’t mention our QB at all. Not once. Thanks for the negative input, though.
Glad you’re so certain that there are no great players on this roster, hindsight being 20/20 and all.
Like I said, if you want to be angry about two wins and three out of four, don’t let me stop you. Kindly keep me out your angry posts, though. Cheers!