Message Sent
November 14th, 2019
Thunder in the locker room says a former player and NFL head coach
If there were any Bucs players who didn’t give Bucs coach Bucco Bruce Arians their full and undivided attention, they will now.
That’s the read former Steelers cornerback Ryan Clark has on Tuesday’s release of Vernon Hargreaves, the Bucs’ 2016 first-round pick.
Arians told a national radio audience last night there were just too many loafing plays from Hargreaves for him to tolerate.
Clark, who played for the Steelers when Arians was offensive coordinator there, believes there is no doubt Arians axed Hargreaves not just because of lack of effort at times, but to send a loud message to his locker room that no one is safe with the Bucs if they commit the football mortal sin of loafing.
Former Jaguars and Raiders coach Jack Del Rio also believed it was a message with the intended target being the Bucs’ young corners. Del Rio added loafing is crossing a sacred line in football.
You can watch the discussion in the BSPN video below.
November 14th, 2019 at 9:09 am
One of the best if not the best decision Arians made since a Buc….All I can do is give him an ovation……And the glazer´s should take a carefull look on drafts…….To many mistakes, is so evident!!
November 14th, 2019 at 9:12 am
BA and his BS is a day late and a dollar short. His credibility was already shot. This was desperate move that should have taken place weeks ago.. Players easily see through this washed up fraud…. lovie 2.0
November 14th, 2019 at 9:16 am
This message would have been better if sent right after bye before Tenn when we were still in it. Seemed like we were so sloppy that game. Oh well, better late than never.
November 14th, 2019 at 9:17 am
Please……… ur QB is making mistake after mistake each game and you keep making excuse for him. HOW IN THE HELL IS JW GETTING BETTER 3 COACHES AND 5 SEASON LATER AND ITS THE SAME CRAP. Man take of those blinders and go get a vet qb that you dont have to tell a 100 times to throw the ball away or has long ball issues.
November 14th, 2019 at 9:21 am
Message Sent ummmm a little to late, only message sent here is that u think its ok to put a player on blast in the media and not behind closed doors i wouldnt blame Hargraves a bit if he came back and said he was tired of playing for a losing organization and a coach who throws challenge flags when he doesn’t have a challenge.
November 14th, 2019 at 9:33 am
The one thing..(at least for now) that I see will all the draft picks…..is “attitude & effort”……..they are doing their best…….
This is a rebuild…..pure and simple…..we are the 2nd youngest team in the NFL
November 14th, 2019 at 9:40 am
A message needed to be sent whether we think it was too late or not, and Hargreaves was perfect candidate. He only has one more interception than I do this season. I was closer to some of the WRs he covered from here in Denver. It’s the first time in forever we have had a “real” example made of a player that wasn’t cutting it. The young guys needed to see what can happen to their NFL dream if they don’t put in the work.
November 14th, 2019 at 9:55 am
I think VH III along with a lot of other players in this generation feels a sense of entitlement. VHIII will go on a play better because this is probably the first time in his career he’s been called out. He’s a coach’s son, a great player at the best football school in the nation, Florida, he was a first-round pick. He thought he was hot snot but BA let him know he was nothing but cold boogers!
November 14th, 2019 at 9:58 am
Too late is better than never.
November 14th, 2019 at 9:58 am
Bruce Arrogance has lost the locker room at record pace!!!!!!!! And for the Bucs, that is really saying something!!!!!!! He talked all kinds of trash this past offseason, and “sent messages” back then as well!!!!!!!!!!!!
And that win last week, is the kind of win that ends up drafting VH3 instead of Jalen Ramsey!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
When is the front office going to be sent a message???????????????
2019 revealed answers to the sheep, that the “real” fans already knew!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
November 14th, 2019 at 10:03 am
so d.smith never “loafed”?….lol….
GO BUCS!!!!!
November 14th, 2019 at 10:14 am
ATLBucs
dude clean your crack-pipe best football school in nation LOL… damn dude that’s pretty damn funny considering the best highlight Florida Football has had in the last decade was the pride of UF convicted murderer Arron Hernandez hanging in his cell over a spat with his prison boyfriend…. Go Gaytors!
vh3bust is a punk bust who will not succeed in nfl period… he is a future convenience store clerk at best
November 14th, 2019 at 10:15 am
813bucboi
i admire your dedication sir. much respect even though you are clueless…
November 14th, 2019 at 10:36 am
H8JW
i agree…..
JW makes numerous mistakes but its never his fault….lol…
perriman runs into the rb….JW admits its his fault but the only thing we hear from BA is “none of those TO’s were his fault”….because the effort was there…lol..
d.smith loafs, gets beat, knocks the ball out of JWs hand and not a peep from BA….lol….why?…because the effort was there….lol….
every mistake the offense made it was VHGs fault….lol…why?…because the offenses effort was there…..lol…
im sure if we looked at each gameday film we’d find other players who’s effort wasnt there….lol…
now, joe, BA and others will have to find a new scapegoat….
GO BUCS!!!!
November 14th, 2019 at 10:44 am
joe
michael clayton said CG ran a “piss poor” route on JWs first INT…..
was that lack of effort?…lol…
or did CG just feel like running a “piss poor” route?….lol…
gotta hold players accountable right?….or is that just certain players?
GO BUCS!!!!!
November 14th, 2019 at 11:16 am
I have to wonder how the other players will react to Arians making a public statement like that.
November 14th, 2019 at 11:16 am
TBBF
Very young secondary. Even though we need a top flight vet CB next year. (They still won’t accomplish anything great with Davis and Dean on the outside),the young secondary will improve (hopefully) with a second season of Bowels defense
November 14th, 2019 at 11:20 am
Convinced that ‘lack of effort’ was just a convenient cover for ‘kid you’re not good enough’. Hargreaves got burnt continually & was a liability. He wasn’t going to be paid $9 mil plus next year in any event. He served his purpose … to get us through this first half season while the youngsters came up to speed … and after that he was a liability. The bigger liability is Jason Licht for wasting our 2016 #11 pick on VHIII and for keeping him around for 3.5 years. THAT’S the accountability I’m waiting to see.
November 14th, 2019 at 11:23 am
As to Jameis…no one here can accurately say he loafs.
His mistakes are owned by him, and Jameis supporters do not deny them. Jameis haters, on the other hand, blame him for every little thing that goes wrong.
I don’t know if Jameis is the guy for the future or not. Time will tell. Honestly, I could understand keeping him throughout the rest of the season and then evaluating, or moving on sooner.
It’s Arians call. He’s the QB whisperer and if he believes he can turn things around for Jameis, then he should try.
Expecting him to say negative things about Jameis is stupid. Only haters would want that.
Look how speaking positive to Rojo helped. It makes a difference. One day, if Jameis makes it to elite status, he’ll be interviewed and say how Arians never stopped supporting him.
Can he become elite? Yes.
IF he can play smarter. Can he win? That depends on him and the REST OF THE TEAM.
November 14th, 2019 at 11:26 am
@Defense Rules
I believe that if VHIII were making less money, he might still be here. He was simply making too much, and his production doesn’t match his salary. If he were making, say, $3m? Maybe he’d be here still, as a backup.
November 14th, 2019 at 11:28 am
813bucboi Says:
“JW makes numerous mistakes but its never his fault….lol…
perriman runs into the rb….JW admits its his fault but the only thing we hear from BA is “none of those TO’s were his fault”…”
Jameis claimed it was his fault to take the heat off Perriman, like most QBs do. We all know Perriman is absolutely horrible.
November 14th, 2019 at 11:36 am
What message? You can get off this worthless ship and go to a luxury liner? If I was Mike Evens id tie up the Lombardi trophy to my car and do laps around the parking lot. Dig Sapps jersey out of the trophy case put it on and eat ribs.
November 14th, 2019 at 11:58 am
@813 theres a massive differnece between chris godwin and hargreaves. Godwin is actually good, Hargreaves was a liability the minute he stepped on the field. The fact that you can even comoare the two is mind numbing.
November 14th, 2019 at 12:05 pm
BONZAI
thats my point!!!!!!….
perriman is horrible…..VHG is horrible….
perriman drops TDs and 1st downs, runs wrong routes and tackles RBs…lol…
so why isnt BA calling out perriman?….because he gives maximum effort while dropping passes, running wrong routes and tackling his team mates…lol…
i know JW tried to cover up, but if its all about “accountability” we doesnt BA call other players out?….
GO BUCS!!!!
November 14th, 2019 at 12:29 pm
CG
we’re not talking about skills….
we’re talking about effort….
on that “piss poor” route, did CG give maximum effort?….according to michael clayton the answer is NO….
so if CG didnt give max effort that resulted in an INT, why wasnt he called out by BA?…..
and if you say its because VHG sucks, then what type of message doe that send to the team?….good players can get away with loafing and players that suck cant?…..
GO BUCS!!!!!!
November 14th, 2019 at 12:43 pm
813 still crying abut vh3 lol
November 14th, 2019 at 12:48 pm
Bonzai … I’m not sure how the money works when a plays is cut in mid-season. Does the player’s salary come off the salary Cap but the dead Cap money still count? According to today’s Spotrac, Vernon is now costing us $981,365 this year (dead Cap), but for some reason I thought that his salary was around $4.5 mil before he was cut and that the dead Cap was up there too. Very confusing the way they keep the books.
November 14th, 2019 at 12:53 pm
I find it ironic that Joe agrees about the loafing aspect but believes we should tank every game going forward ..smh
November 14th, 2019 at 1:06 pm
unbelievable
lol…
you lame as hell….
aint nobody “crying” about VHG…lol…
joe wants to continue to beat a dead horse….which is no surprise because he did the same thing to GMC and KWON….
VHG, GMC, KWON all sucked…..but they’re all on winning teams fighting for playoff spots….
the JW led bucs are fighting for a top5 pick…again….lol…
GO BUCS!!!!!
November 14th, 2019 at 1:14 pm
813bucboi Says:
November 14th, 2019 at 12:29 pm
on that “piss poor” route, did CG give maximum effort?….according to michael clayton the answer is NO….
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No offense, but M Clayton is your go-to guy on all matters offense? FTR, I supported Clayton the whole time he was a Buc. Ungodly made a mistake cos he’s human. Plus, JW telepathed to the Cards D where he was aiming the ball. Who called that one? Clayton is wrong period. Go Bucs Sunday!!
November 14th, 2019 at 1:27 pm
orlbuc
MC isnt my “go to guy” for offenses…..
no offense, but he played the game at the highest level and knows more about professional football than the both of us….
MC said it was a piss poor route by CG….joe wrote about it to point out that JWs first INT wasnt on JW(as usual its never JWs fault)….
so if it wasnt JWs fault according to MC or BA since he didnt call him out for it, it had to be CGs fault…..
so then ask yourself, why was it CGs fault?….was it because of lack of effort, since according to MC, CG didnt come back to the ball?…..
and if thats true, why didnt BA hold him accountable?…..
the whole “lack of effort” excuse is BS imo because we’ve all seen dotson loaf….d.smith loaf…..
so whats the difference between VHG not giving full effort that results in a catch by a WR and CG not giving full effort which results in a INT by JW….
GO BUCS!!!!!
November 14th, 2019 at 1:32 pm
orlbuc
i agree that the JW stared down CG the entire way…everyone saw that….ball shouldnt have been thrown….
but BA didnt hold JW or CG accountable publicly….
so why bash some players publicly and some not at all?…..
GO BUCS!!!!!
November 14th, 2019 at 1:43 pm
Haha y’all so funny like BA is going to listen to you about WINSTON sorry for y’all haters but WINSTON isn’t going anywhere. BA only has had WINSTON for half a season an we are seeing improvements even if the haters don’t WINSTON will be our QB next year so get over it. 2 offseason an 1 full season an BA will have had enough time to fix WINSTON an of the bad Winston still shows up that’s wen he will be cut. BA said he doesn’t care what WINSTON has done on the past he only cares what WINSTON is doing from the time they started together. Haha y’all so funny
November 14th, 2019 at 2:29 pm
813
One bad route doesn’t make CG a liability…
Vern sucked from the day he got here. When a LB out runs you to a RB 40yds down field, you’re a straight up loafer.
And heaven forbid he acyually tackle somebody …he got lucky and pushed McCaffery out of bounds.
For all those saying he went to a playoff team..let’s see how long he’s actually on their roster first.
November 14th, 2019 at 2:52 pm
@813… its about effort!!!! Like him or not JW, CG and most of the rest have given the effort
November 14th, 2019 at 3:00 pm
jmark
i never said he was a liability…..
we’re talking about effort….
again, whats the difference between CG not giving effort that results in a INT vs VHG not giving effort that results in a big gain?….
i dont see the difference…..if BA is going to call out VHG for lack of effort why didnt he call out CG for his lack of effort that resulted in a INT?…..
GO BUCS!!!!!
November 14th, 2019 at 3:06 pm
miken
i dount that….lol…
ive seen d.smith loaf…dotson loaf….ME hasnt given max effort all the time….CG didnt give max effort on JWs first INT…..
my point is, if you’re going to call out players for “lack of effort” then call them all out…dont pick and choose….hold everyone accountable…..
it is what it is….VHG sucked…he’s gone…time to move on….
im just not buying the whole, “lack of effort” BS….
GO BUCS!!!!!
November 14th, 2019 at 4:16 pm
813
Vern is a repeat offender, over and over. CG is not. That’s the difference.
November 14th, 2019 at 5:36 pm
The ppl here definitely do not understand TEAM BUILDING….it EXCEEDS talent…heart, attitude and effort. It is not how many MISTAKES you make it is whether you possess heart, great attitude anad effort.
That is for teamates and coaches to determine not uninformed fans and critics!
TEAMWORK MAKES THE DREAMWORK!!!
November 14th, 2019 at 5:37 pm
*and effort
November 14th, 2019 at 5:51 pm
All y’all Buc fans calling out another Buc player for loafing, giving full effort, from words from the NFL’S Hands of Stone. Sure should rewatch his highlights. After Hands of Stones first season he couldn’t catch a cold rock.
November 14th, 2019 at 7:21 pm
I assume everybody here is familiar with the psychological term projection?
I rarely read TMAX anymore…not because he’s a negative troll but because he’s incredibly boring. Simply change a few names and it’s the same post over and over. But I read his first sentence and just burst out LMAO.
“His credibility was already shot.”
Projection? Pot meet kettle? I’ll let you guys decide.
November 14th, 2019 at 8:20 pm
Gotta agree with 813 if it was a Loafing issue Dotson and Smith would be long gone especially Dotson. Dude is so far gone he doesn’t even gaf when they score or win. See the Jameis mic’ed up video.
November 14th, 2019 at 8:40 pm
Rusty
WTF are you talking about?
November 14th, 2019 at 9:01 pm
We can debate the timing of this move all day. But the point being it had to be done.