Was Buccaneers’ O-Line Too Physical?

November 2nd, 2019

Here’s an interesting take.

And Joe must commend this Tampa Bay coach for being so introspective.

Joe and fellow Bucs fans saw the Buccaneers offensive line have arguably its worst day run-blocking last Sunday against Tennessee.

The push wasn’t always there and things fell apart too often. Jameis Winston’s quarterback sneak was dead in the water, too, before Ronald Jones pushed the pile.

Offensive line overseer/run game coordinator/assistant head coach Harold Goodwin thinks he may be partly to blame. Goodwin told Buccaneers Radio that he so emphasized being physical during game preparation that he thinks it may have led to Bucs offensive linemen being overly physical to the point they lost their leverage after the initial snap and engagement.

It’s not often that you hear a coach say something like that.

“A lot of times [against Tennessee] guys are getting their initial block and they’re getting thrown off the block,” Goodwin added. “You have to maintain those blocks so the halfback can get through the holes and get some yardage.”

What’s troubling about Goodwin’s take that he might have overcoached physicality is the fact that he felt he had to emphasize it so much.

Also, Alex Cappa was out Sunday, so every Bucs starter had five or more seasons of experience. All those guys should now how to manage being physical at the point of attack and carrying that through the whistle.

Growing pains for a struggling run game.

Derrick Brooks asks — and studies — whether “the Bucs have what it takes” to win in Seattle like they did in Los Angeles. It’s the can’t-miss TAMPA TWO show with Brooks and Ira Kaufman presented by Caldeco Air Conditioning & Heating. Another great episode from The Identity Tampa Bay and JoeBucsFan.

50 Responses to “Was Buccaneers’ O-Line Too Physical?”

  1. Bird Says:

    We lead the league in stupid excuses

    No other team is even close

  2. AKickInTheBucNuts Says:

    LOL! The Bucs are the most physical 2-5 team in the NFL!

  3. Ndog Says:

    What makes be a Bucs even harder is being around so many CLUELESS fans.

    How do expect to make things better without looking for what you did wrong? They are not excuses as this is what you morons say over and over.

    Is it an excuse you got a speeding ticket to say you got it cause you were going to fast? No it is the REASON you got the ticket. You learn from it go the speed limit and avoid tickets going forward.

    My goodness you people are annoyingly clueless.

  4. Jean Lafitte Says:


    what people? the two who commented? Get a grip

  5. dmatt Says:

    We will win something this year. The “Blooper Bowl”.

  6. onetrickpony Says:

    Bird Says:
    November 2nd, 2019 at 1:18 pm
    We lead the league in stupid excuses

    No other team is even close
    aaaaaaahaha that was funny, and sad, but more than likley true

  7. orlbucfan Says:

    If the Bucs HC was as great as he’s cracked up to be, we sure as hell’s bells wouldn’t be 2-5. THAT better start changing tomorrow at 4pm!

  8. SteveK Says:


    Having read the past couple of posts on JBF today, it’s clear you’re upset. And now, your name calling! Why don’t you take a timeout and come back when you can post about football.

    And, what about all the darn turnovers? How does EVERY OTHER QB IN THE NFL have less, despite facing the same

    No. More. Excuses.

    #TimeToJiveInYear5. #WinOrGoodbye. #TooManyGiveaways

  9. SteveK Says:


    Why is it that 90% of the fan base sees it differently, and the facts: turnovers and losses keep piling up?

    It’s a team game, you’re right! And our QB is a turnover machine/inconsistent performer.

  10. Doctor Stroud Says:

    No, thank you. If I want to see a less physical team, I’ll go buy a ticket to the Pirates Dinner Adventure in Orlando. #PaidFloridaVacation

  11. Ndog Says:

    SteveK who on this team is a consistent performer?

  12. orlbucfan Says:

    I don’t waste my time name-calling on here, but Ndog has a point. There are a LOT of clueless ‘fans’/trolls on here. And, as the old saying goes, they are a pollution to wade through. Go Bucs tomorrow, and may BA have a major brain fart so we can win!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  13. Ndog Says:

    You guys are CLUELESS it’s disgusting.

  14. SteveK Says:


    It’s a trick question. How can ANYONE on offense PERFORM CONSISTENTLY when our trigger man is inconsistent?

    This comment was on pro football talk, and it makes a wonderful simile.

    #SithimforStidham says:
    November 2, 2019 at 10:41 am
    Do you have a friend who is in a terrible relationship but constantly makes excuses about their significant other’s behavior? This is the Bucs with Jameis Winston.

    28 1

  15. Ndog Says:

    When we played a complete game and didn’t have to throw every play to win against the Panthers on the road how’d he do?

    Ask yourself that and then take a second to realize that it what most QBs experience weekly thus less TOs. When you are predictable and the other team can drop into coverage and rush the QB every play it makes it almost impossible to not have TOs but again that is the kind of thing you just don’t understand.

  16. Ndog Says:

    Ok how can the QB consistently perform if everything around them is not even close to consistent? It goes both ways tough guy, you just backed yourself into a corner. Surprise surprise you are proven wrong again. Jameis has been the scapegoat for this team long enough, you guys just can’t handle that this coaching staff is just telling you the truth.

  17. SteveK Says:


    Vita Vea has been consistently good this year in my opinion. Same with godwin. And Evans is a stud.

    Do you think you’d see guys break a huge play and house it if the QB could put the ball on time and in a place that is conducive to YAC?

    Why does Russel Wilson have 17tds and 1 INT? I’m sure his o line protection has broken down, or receivers ran the wrong route.

    Why can’t Jameis be consistent after four plus years? Why is he coddled by his coach? Why do they call out other position groups and not Jameis? Why is Fitzmagic gone- was it bc Jameis can’t handle having a good backup?

    Where are we in year five of the Winston era? Other than playoffless, three coaches in, committed more turnovers than anyone, and one off the field suspension- in which another infraction could be season long (see Vontaze Burifict)

  18. SteveK Says:


    Coach speak is not the truth. Come on dude. What are they supposed to say?

    Actions (turnovers, wins-losses) speak louder than words.

    Last I checked we are turning over the ball on 19% of our drives. How can we win with a QB who could make $25 million per year who turns the ball
    Over the much?

    I’m not in a corner. I just want to know. Wearing my Bucs Jameis Jersey right now! Pulling for the kid, just expect it not to happen at this point.

  19. Buccfan37 Says:

    At least the Bucs are consistent in their style of play. Expecting better execution seeing is believing and I’ll believe it when I see it. Something unordinary will be a plus. Go Bucs!

  20. Ndog Says:

    If you think Evans was good in London or NO then that says it all about your opinions, they are worthless. Plus Evans dropped a TD last week! That is consistent to you??????

  21. SteveK Says:


    Do you propose we pay Jameis a salary= $1 million per turnover? And, the 2019 QB franchise tag is expected to be $27 million. I’d take the over for Winston turning it over that many times.

  22. SteveK Says:


    Evans dropped a TD in London for sure!

    How many bad throws have their been? How
    Many receivers get rocked trying to compete for Jameis’ inaccurate throws? I see that Lee of the time than I do see a receiver mess up. Wouldn’t you agree? We watching the same game?

  23. SteveK Says:


    Evans dropped a TD in London for sure!

    How many bad throws have their been? How
    Many receivers get rocked trying to compete for Jameis’ inaccurate throws? I see that More of the time than I see a receiver mess up. Wouldn’t you agree? We watching the same game?

  24. SteveK Says:


    How was Winston against the 49ers, or against the Saints, or in London, or coming off a bye week last week?

    It’s just too inconsistent. Too bad we can’t have a game like we did against the Rams every week.

  25. Season Is Over Says:

    The only thing weaker than this team is the content of these articles. I think one of the last ones talked about Leftwich not blaming Winston. This website is ignoring reality. Total fake news.

    Let us break this quote down with common sense. “A lot of times [against Tennessee] guys are getting their initial block and they’re getting thrown off the block,” Goodwin added. “You have to maintain those blocks so the halfback can get through the holes and get some yardage.” -Harold Godwin

    Fan Translation = The guys I trained to play are not blocking/trying well enough. My guys are forgetting basic run blocking themes of holding blocks so the RB can get through to the next level. For some odd reason they are forgetting why they are on the field at all. I am not teaching them well enough or holding them accountable. It is mostly my fault but I will blame the players with these silly comments to appease the media that will aimlessly post anything I say in defense of Winston.

  26. CalBucsFan Says:

    Damn, that’s one dumb a$$ excuse.

  27. Rayjay1122 Says:

    Most teams in the NFL have negative spewing Trolls. With the Bucs, the positive nonsense spewing individuals are the Trolls. Only the Bucs and the awful organization that the Glazers have forced on the Tampa area and it’s fans. Shame on you Glazers!!!

  28. SteveK Says:

    We can be positive, RayJay!

    I’m positive JW3 and the Bucs will come out and play clean, crops football that leads to a “W”. If not, I will siphon through the negativity to fully understand the loss: turnovers most likely.

  29. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    Let’s get physical, physical, I wanna get physical, let’s get into physical
    Let me hear your body talk, your body talk, let me hear your body talk
    Let’s get physical, physical, I wanna get physical, let’s get into physical
    Let me hear your body talk, your body talk, let me hear your body talk

  30. Bird Says:

    God. Ndog is such a tool

    You promised to leave this site. Everyone was stoked to hear the news
    Please go away
    Annoying is an understatement

  31. donuts Says:

    Excuse time is over. They need to worry about nothing but getting a win. They have not shown any consistent play for all 4Q except the Rams game. These are team losses. The team is playing poorly is multiple phases except run D.

  32. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:

    “Was Buccaneers’ O-Line Too Physical?”


  33. Ndog Says:

    Why Bird you tired of seeing me prove the CLUELESS like you WRONG!
    Yeah it must suck coming onto a site have an opinion then have someone that knows way more about the subject than you prove you wrong time and time again.

  34. Ndog Says:

    My goodness some of you guys are so football stupid. Especially Bird and SteveK those two lead the CLUELESS brigade.

    Anyone notice they never bring anything to the table. Never any real football talk just “man I hate TOs and Jameis has too many”. Or “boy Jameis doesn’t win enough”. Yeah guys that’s really breaking it down. You guys should invite me over to watch a game so I can teach you a thing or twenty.

  35. Bobby Says:

    C’mon Ndog. That’s like telling the QB that it’s going to be windy and emphasizing that you need to throw a little harder into the wind and then see every ball fall short or be too long and then saying “I may have emphasized the wind too much.” Has the QB never played in the wind before?! Why the hell should you have to emphasize being physical in the first place? That should be a given. That should be the goal every friggin’ game. That may be the weakest excuse I’ve ever heard from a coach who coaches a game that epitomizes physicality. “I may have emphasized being physical too much.” STFU and get some players who can block with an attitude and still maintain fundamentals.

  36. BrianBucs Says:

    Sorry coach, not buying it

  37. Adrnagy Says:

    I see a lot of changes of personnel this offseason.

  38. Bird Says:


    What have you proven to anyone?
    You look like a creepy old man that wants to enjoy the company of another mans balls half your age

    What football knowledge do you show ?
    You act like you win debates . I don’t care to debate against you cause it’s like debating against that dog turd that’s been in your yard for 10 days and it’s started to turn white

    It’s funny that you think arians is agreeing with you
    “That’s not on Jamie’s “
    “He looks fantastic “

    He is treating Jameis like a 12 year old girl cause he is soft.
    I mean Fitzpatrick got in his head last year it’s so soft.
    Sorry you want to sit on Jameis head and go N and S

  39. FanO’Bucs Says:

    Ndog is right. Yeah, he said it! Lol
    Many dumb posts by similarl people with “big opinions”.. #2019

  40. stpetebucsfan Says:


    “We lead the league in stupid excuses

    No other team is even close”

    It’s hard to be a Buc’s fan so I certainly understand your frustration.

    If it makes you feel any better…perhaps worse..not sure we lead the league in anything right now…but my son lives in Cleveland and he says the exact same thing about the Browns.

    Can you imagine Brown’s fans exasperation? They know exactly how we feel! We have JW…they have Mayfield…they have all that talent from all those top picks…they were expected to blow up this year.

    They have the same 2-5 record as us. So much for a slew of #1 draft picks and the hot QB. Like us they’ve started beotching big time about the coaching. But Freddie Kitchens is no BA.

    Imagine living in Atlanta!!!!1-7. Bears fans are losing patience.

    Misery loves company so we should be happy. There are at least a dozen fan bases as upset as we are.

  41. Bird Says:

    Fan O Bucs

    Brand new post name
    Are you Ndog himself or is that you Webster

    Yah . Jameis looks great

    Hey in all fairness I still think he is average

  42. Bird Says:

    In moderation over using webzter name

  43. Bird Says:

    Could you imagine watching a game with Ndog

    Compare it to having diarrhea for a week

  44. Bird Says:

    Fan o

    Sorry can’t tell sarcasm or not

  45. Bird Says:


    Titans got 14 points off getting the ball twice inside the 20
    Not his fault though
    10 turnovers in 2 games not his fault

    We shouldn’t tAlk about turnovers.
    Blake bortles was garbage and I came from ucf. I knew he would probably struggle and he did. He almost beat out Jameis for turnovers I don’t male excise for bad football. And jags almost won in spite of him.

    Yah let’s not talk turnovers They mean nothing.

  46. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:

    I drank some food coloring.

    I think I dyed a little inside.

    Now lighten up, people!

  47. SteveK Says:


    Now, now, no need to insult. I am an amateur football fan. I judge my team on its success. We are coming off back to back 5-11 seasons, and Jameis’ best season was 9-7 in his second year.

    You get very defensive and insulting when folks bring up turnovers and losses. Is it because Winston has so damn many turnovers, and does that help explain why we lose so much?

    I think you get so worked up about the points made for turnovers and losses because you can’t perform the mental gymnastics or put on delusional glasses enough to believe it.

    I’m pulling for Jameis, and I hope we can talk football tomorrow on the JBF game day thread.

    I hope we win! We need it. Another loss and our playoff goose is cooked.

  48. JimmyJack Says:

    Tennessee got a top ranked defense for a reason. Overall our OL was decent. We didn’t get too many running holes but we did give our QB a a pretty nice pocket. Fundamental mistakes cost us the last game and they been costing us games for decades.

    These mistakes must be eliminated. We will keep losing til they due. I’m confident we can play solid football. If we do we can contend!!!

    GO BUCS!

  49. Denjoe Says:

    Physically challenged like their idiot GM!

  50. Bird Says:

    St Pete

    You still have Ndog