Quarterbacks And The Bucs Pass Defense
October 29th, 2019
What do the Bucs have in common with the Patriots, 49ers, Ravens, Lions, Bills, Jaguars, Packers, Saints, Panthers, Titans, Eagles, Rams and Broncos?
The common thread is that those teams’ defenses are allowing opposing quarterbacks to complete less than 64 percent of their passes.
Didn’t think the Bucs would be on that list, did you?
Joe would be excited about that area of improvement except the Bucs have faced Daniel Jones, Ryan Tannehill, Kyle Allen, Teddy Bridgewater and a broken Cam Newton through seven games. That’s a special gift from the football gods that doesn’t come around every year.
And yet somehow, the Bucs have locked down a 2-5 record while their own quarterback has completed just 58.2 percent of his passes, second-worst in the NFL among starters who have not been benched.
Still, the Bucs have managed to improve from allowing a league-high 72.5 percent completion rate last season, and they were horrible in that area in 2017 and during the Lovie Smith regime.
That’s at least something.
October 29th, 2019 at 3:16 pm
Bucs are the first NFL team to both play 16 games a year and have a 12 month offseason… 12 months of draft talk !
October 29th, 2019 at 3:18 pm
So we can’t blame the D now? In any case, there is NO defending America’s Grop…errrrr, Quarterback.
October 29th, 2019 at 3:22 pm
2nd worse in the NFL completing passes. Tied for 1st in interceptions and 2nd in total fumbles.
October 29th, 2019 at 3:29 pm
Nah …it’s still kickers …defense …oline …lack of running game …coaching …receivers. MRSA , jock itch , ring worm , bad weather …punting …snapping …penalties …
And Jameis coach says it best ,
“He looks fantastic “
October 29th, 2019 at 3:31 pm
Bucs fanman
Remember though …Arians said those turnovers are not Jameis fault so we need to find a scapegoat goat to put those turnovers on.
10 in last 2 gAmes were just bad luck
Let’s make sure …Jameis is not part of the problem
October 29th, 2019 at 3:37 pm
My bad Bird!
It’s the intern’s fault for printing the playbook in “portrait” instead of “landscape”!!! LOL!
October 29th, 2019 at 3:37 pm
Who leads the league in average intended air yards? That’s correct. The Bucs. Their offense, by design, leads the league in risk taken by the QB, as it has since he has been here. Whatever his problems are (who knows), also the scapecoat for a team without a back since he’s been that can run the ball or (importantly), catch the ball, no screen game orshort passing game targets and virtually no intermediate passing game. Two wideouts to throw the ball to. No other place to go with the ball. Stoopid offense.
The results are very predictable.
October 29th, 2019 at 3:38 pm
The organization blows
October 29th, 2019 at 3:44 pm
Hey Bird..add to that list the new Bucs fashion; players colliding with their own teammates in the field of play…like we needed a new way of loosing…wtf…🤣🤣🤣🤣
October 29th, 2019 at 3:48 pm
‘completed just 58.2 percent of his passes, second-worst in the NFL among starters who have not been benched.’
No winning franchise would keep playing ‘Turnover’!
Good coaches (smart coaches) would bench him and move on… To who? Anyone that hasn’t started the last 61 games and failed!…
Good qbs are hard to find.. you’re right!.. and obviously you don’t have one now which reveals you don’t know how to properly assess a ‘good qb’!
October 29th, 2019 at 3:49 pm
The Perriman/DO play is right up there with Neil O’Donahue swipe kick chasing a high snap rolling towards the end zone and Garo Yepremiums pass attempt….and I think Martin Garmatica had a blooper too…
October 29th, 2019 at 3:53 pm
If Jameis plays behind Brady he might turn his career around. Everyone who has is leading teams with winning records. I.e. (brissett,garapolo) our owners/coaches fail to address needs at skill positions we will suck until we get a rb, wr not named perriman and online and CB’s who will cry if they get beat those the guys I want lol
October 29th, 2019 at 4:01 pm
@Runner
Since it sounds like you are making an excuse for Winston, let me ask you this. Tom Brady has not always had the best teams around him. Yet in his entire career he has never had a losing season. Bellicheck obviously deserves some credit as the coach but for most of his career Brady has called his own plays and whether the team around him was good/bad/injured, he’s only lost 60 games in 19 years. Case in point, he has 34 comeback wins in his career which goes to support that he’s had bad games/teams around him yet he still finds ways to win.
I am not a Patriots fan, I don’t even like Tom Brady, frankly I can’t stand him, but he is a proven winner regardless of the situation he’s in.
A truly generational talent at QB makes a team better regardless of what is around him. Winston is a loser and the only way people can defend him is by saying it’s everyone else’s fault. You don’t see that with any quality QB. Brady is not the only one, he’s just a great example of something Winston will never ever be, a winner.
October 29th, 2019 at 4:03 pm
Haha. JW didn’t get traded making y’all look really dumb.
JW get us some of those Ws you ate that day because it looking really good right now.
October 29th, 2019 at 4:05 pm
Bucsalltheway … Nice list, but you forgot the most important element: OLine. Until THAT’S fixed, your QB will continue to get pummeled more than ANY QB in the league, develop happy feet & start seeing ghosts. Your running backs will continue to get stuffed in the backfield & average near the bottom of the league in YPC. Your TEs will be kept in to block more times than not, be grossly underutilized & be effectively neutered. And your receivers will struggle to get separation because after the first couple of seconds your QB is running for his life & the play has broken down anyways.
Skill positions don’t mean diddly without the beasts in the trenches to block for them. Not usually considered ‘skill positions’ but the most critical of all.
October 29th, 2019 at 4:07 pm
Apparently the passes the Bucs do let the opponents complete are for yardage far beyond the winning teams on that list. They seem to shut down 5 passes in a row and the 6th one goes 60 yards for a TD. Not a very telling stat when we know our secondary is shaky at best.
October 29th, 2019 at 4:12 pm
Oh BTW Joe, good article. Recently it seems that you’re starting to warm, ever so slowly, to this defense. I mean the other day I thought I saw you acknowledge that this Bucs’ defense leads the NFL in rushing defense. Wow. We’re returning to our roots, thanks to Todd Bowles.
Admittedly your bottom line … “That’s at least something” … isn’t the Gettysburg Address, and certainly doesn’t fall into the category of fully conceding that this defense is on the rise, BUT … it’s a start. Hmmm, MAYBE the glass isn’t totally empty after all? Kudos on the progress.
October 29th, 2019 at 4:12 pm
Lamarcus Says:
October 29th, 2019 at 4:03 pm
Haha. JW didn’t get traded making y’all look really dumb.
JW get us some of those Ws you ate that day because it looking really good right now.
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Larmarcus….NO…NO team is going to trade for Jamyth…my GAWD !!!!
October 29th, 2019 at 4:20 pm
Oh and another BTW. Those very same ‘football gods’ who you thanked for sending us “Daniel Jones, Ryan Tannehill, Kyle Allen, Teddy Bridgewater and a broken Cam Newton” also gave us the worst opening schedule in NFL history … no home games from Sept 22nd until Nov 10th. FIVE straight games on the road.
And oh ya, those same ‘football gods’ also punished us by sending Jason Lichtweight as General Manager to oversee building this team. MAYBE you need to find someone else to thank?
October 29th, 2019 at 4:52 pm
What do the Bucs have in common with those teams?
Absolutely nothing that matters.
October 29th, 2019 at 5:13 pm
Defense Rules Says:
October 29th, 2019 at 4:20 pm
Oh and another BTW. Those very same ‘football gods’ who you thanked for sending us “Daniel Jones, Ryan Tannehill, Kyle Allen, Teddy Bridgewater and a broken Cam Newton” also gave us the worst opening schedule in NFL history … no home games from Sept 22nd until Nov 10th. FIVE straight games on the road
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Well, well, well. Plus, Bucs had to travel to London in the middle of this schedule. This is the final road game, and they still don’t get a break! They fly to Seattle and kick off at 4PM. Only bright fact is that this ain’t the All-Star squad Glennon and the Bucs beat a few years ago. That game was played in Seattle, too. How about Seattle playing the Bucs here Sunday? Devoted fan venting here. GO TAMPA BAY SUNDAY!!
October 29th, 2019 at 7:29 pm
w/o Newton’s horrible game I wonder where the Bucs would rate
October 29th, 2019 at 7:33 pm
Hey Matthew Fifer, reading comprehension is important bud. Runnerdoc was exposing how poorly & ineffectively the weapons are used, not griping about the lack of weapons. The average intended air yards per attempt stat is pretty damning. It basically says the Bucs almost never call a game local to the LOS, ask their QB to push the ball past the sticks more than any other quarterback in the league, most of the time with low percentage looks. You never see free running crosses, slants, rubs and it’s ALWAYS a tightly contested catch because of this. These are called facts not excuses. The most tried and true formula for winning consistently in the NFL is to build a defense, establish a running game and don’t ask too much of your QB. The Bucs have done none of it. Brady plays in a system that does all of these things well but conveniently that was left out of your comment
October 29th, 2019 at 8:25 pm
October 29th, 2019 at 8:07 pm
There are turnovers and there are real turnovers.
Game 1: Winston > 2 real turnovers
Not on him> OJ ball off hands
Game 2: Winston > 0
Game 3: Winston > 1 real turnover
Game 4: Winston > 1 real turnover
Game 5: Winston > 0
Game 6: Winston > 3 real turnovers*
*1st pick, Kuechley pick, fumble.
Not on him> arm hit, RT tisk, tisk
Not on him>the 4th and 10. I guess they could have punted or he could have thrown it over everyones head. Late in game.
Not on him> pass to Evans in EZ down 2 scores. Late in game.
Game 7: Winston > 1 real turnover if that.*
*1st pick. Ball looked to be overthrown but Arians says WR ran wrong route.
Not on him> 1st fumble. Center snap too soon.
Not on him> 2nd fumble. Arm hit while in throwing motion. LT tisk, tisk.
Not on him> 2nd pick. Another hail mary with seconds to play. WR ran wrong route. High risk high reward play.
So 7 maybe 8 real turnovers are Winstons in 7 games. Not 12 interceptions and 3 lost fumbles. That’s why a lot of Americans are called Gruber’s folks. They will parrot the talking heads on ESPN and the NFL network.
There are so many simpletons who are just too lazy to do the work and figure out how many turnovers are really on Winston and how many are on other players.
I have to say Joe, your comment section is the absolute best. Where else could you find some of these posters?
And to think Hillary Clinton received OVER 65 million votes. You can’t make this stuff up.
October 29th, 2019 at 8:52 pm
Mister Negative Nancy … “w/o Newton’s horrible game I wonder where the Bucs would rate”. Just a thought Nancy … Isn’t it ALSO possible that without OUR 17 turnovers in 7 games that we MIGHT be better than 2-5? Cuts both ways.
October 29th, 2019 at 9:12 pm
Dapostman now all you need to do is qualify every other QB in the leagues “real turnovers” since 2015 and then you can truly rank him, short of that he’s still the record holder for TO’s. Unless you were being sarcastic…
October 29th, 2019 at 9:41 pm
Dapostman,
You make good points. I would contend that Jameis has strong peripheral statistics, but fails to produce wins/ and he has an alarming amount of turnovers committed. For whatever reason, we can’t stop turning the ball over.
Also, another poster pints out that Jameis is 2nd to last in completion %, tied for most INTs, and second most fumbles in the league.
Jameis also holds the ball a long ass time.
I see moments of greatness, followed up by moments of absolute buffoonery. And we don’t win. Jameis is too inconsistent. Give me a rookie on a rookie deal and let’s try again. It’s insanity after five years to continue this sh!tshow. It hurts to watch it week after week. The team is bad and so is the QB. Can’t pay $25-$30 million of cap space for less than average results. How goes a team get consistent if they don’t have a consistent QB?
If we go 5-11 for a third year in a row, then they need big changes. Good luck if selling tickets for a bunch of friggin losers: Jameis and Licht.
How are we so bad for so long?
October 30th, 2019 at 1:20 am
Not sure why everyone believes Belichick will pick up Winston as FA next year.
Winston may end up, as a FA, as bridge QB (AKA Ryan Fitz) for a team drafting their future franchise QB.
Same breath, JW3 could wind up on a good team, with a real Oline and a REAL RB. And all bets are off at that point, folks. for his potential….to be a winning QB in NFL
Who knows? But my bets are that JW3 is done is Tampa. Unless BA/Jason are still employed in 2020. Even then, I think JW is trade-bait. BA is over the turnovers, regardless of “Why”…..