Faster Than Freeman

October 16th, 2019

Outside of his magical 2010 Bucs season of 25 touchdowns, six interceptions and 10 wins, Josh Freeman was a turnover machine.

He finished his career with 68 interceptions in 61 starts against 81 touchdowns.

And, following the merciful end of the Josh McCown/Mike Glennon era, the Bucs found another epic turnover machine in Jameis Winston.

On Sunday, America’s Quarterback managed to notch his 68th interception in his 60th start, one game faster than Freeman. Jameis has 0.3 more touchdowns per start than Freeman, for a total of 100 in his career.

No, Joe won’t sadden Bucs fans with fumble stats this morning.

There are many parallels between Jameis and Freeman. Each showed growth in his second season, and each had two Bucs offensive coordinators (Joe’s not counting Jeff Jagodzinski) and a couple of quarterbacks coaches.

Freeman, too, had Byron Leftwich around to tutor him. And like Jameis, Freeman had excellent receiver and tight end play in some years. Freeman got two years of a great running game. Jameis has had just one. Like Jameis, Freeman also dealt with a Bucs secondary that was one of the very worst on the planet in 2011 and 2012.

In his final Bucs season, Freeman had to deal with a horrid play that had nothing to do with him, the Lavonte David personal foul against the Jets, who won the game on the next snap. This season, a brutal Matt Gay miss against the Giants is casting a horrible shadow on the starting quarterback even though he put the team in position for an easy win.

Regardless, viable Jameis-Freeman comparisons in mid-October of 2019 are not what Bucs fans fantasized about in the spring of 2015.

101 Responses to “Faster Than Freeman”

  1. Mike in MO Says:

    It is what it is. Time to move on from Winston.

  2. LUVMYBUCS Says:

    I’ve preaching about this for 3 seasons now.
    Happy to see that you final recognize the comparison.

  3. AlteredEgo Says: Your comment is awaiting moderation. Says:

    Two headcases…two big kids growing up that were good at football…but were not football players…they were something else

  4. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    Desperately trying to prop up #3 with “most points in the NFC”……suggesting “Franchise Tag”……likely not happening…

    Shocked to see an article without Joe’s new whipping boy, Scotty Miller…..a 6th round rookie forced into service because of an injury….

    A distraction for sure…..turnovers are the problem….not the only problem but the primary problem.

  5. Morgus the Magnificent Says:

    This must be Joe Thing Two writing. Because Joe Thing One is still delusionally a America’s Turnover Quarterback.

  6. D-Rome Says:

    For every 100 touchdowns Jameis throws, he turns the ball over 87 times. That’s a 1.14:1 TD to TO ratio. You can’t win with that.

  7. Bruce Blahak Says:

    Thanks for confirming, he sucks big time!!!!! Build the trenches with the draft and bring in a couple of QBs to compete and things will be on the upswing. 5 YEARS OF NOTHING!!!

  8. Asdf Says:

    We should trade for Nick Foles as our bridge QB and draft a QB in 1-2 years depending on the draft board

  9. Petty Officer Buc Says:

    It was hard to move on from Freeman but it was the right thing to do. He flamed out completely in Minnesota and couldn’t even hack it in the CFL.

  10. Casey Morgan Says:

    “No, Joe won’t sadden Bucs fans with fumble stats this morning.” Why not? Interceptions are just a small part of the problem. He fumbles. He takes sacks. He can’t find the open man. He can’t read a defense. He is inaccurate. He doesn’t go through progressions.

  11. JimbobBucsFan Says:

    I fully expect Winston to finish this season here. I think the Bucs (BA and JL) decided that early on. We won’t have a good idea of his fate until the end of the 2019 season.

    I do think if he continues his erratic performances and they indicate he will be coming back next year then I expect this. They will make an effort to salvage Winston by taking a significant number of steps to upgrade the OL to a major degree during the off season.

    Meanwhile back to this season.

    I wonder what other changes they will make between now and the game at Tennessee to win more games in our last nine games.

  12. Jeffbuc Says:

    We would be a better team with case Keemun as our QB fact. We would be atleast 3-3 if he was starting for us. I don’t understand why everyone keeps thinking he will change. It is year 5 and it is the same exact as the last 4. Decent play for a couple then a horrific game. We already know how the next game goes. We try to run it 40 times and ask Jameis to do as little as possible to build his confidence. Then the following week give him a little more. 3rd week he lights it up. He is toast of the town. Then next game 3 plus turnovers he can’t be trusted. Repeat repeat repeat for the last 5 years. He has a 83 qb rating in a passing league. Where 100 is the new decent.

  13. 1sparkybuc Says:

    The Bucs can win with Jameis given a decent OL and a mediocre defensive backfield. No QB could win behind this OL with the NFL tourists we have disguised as DBs.

  14. Lamarcus Says:

    We are still a below .500 when JW doesn’t turn it over… 4-8. We still lose 😭

  15. 813bucboi Says:

    so he broke josh freeman’s record….

    & blake brotles…….
    18games with multiple INTS…..

    sadly, JW aint done throwing picks….

    GO BUCS!!!!

  16. Lamarcus Says:

    And simple math. We win more games with the turnovers. Awkward stat for y’all stat heads

  17. Bruce Blahak Says:

    This fraud should have been canned before last season started, but here we are….2 more wasted years of Bucs football and no replacement in place….

  18. 813bucboi Says:



    we’ve lost before JW was here….
    we’ve lost with JW….

    we can lose without JW…..

    get rid of this bust….

    GO BUCS!!!!!

  19. Lamarcus Says:

    When we draft a new guy it will be same crap. This team is in dissarry in the secondary. We ain’t winning either way where is Jameel Dean at?

    The Qb has to play near perfect shootouts for chance to win

  20. Lamarcus Says:


    Your childish as hell. We gotten to you with VH3 and all you doing is ” Him too, Him too” like a 5 year old with JW.

    Learn football first like the rest of JW bashers before opening your mouth. All I hear is the obvious. Whaaaa whaaaa turnovers. Whaaaa. Dude is trying to win a Buccaneer game. Which is the next hardest thing do next to building a rocket ship.

    Vh3 doesn’t even try

  21. Aceofaerospace Says:

    I wish the Joes would use separate names. If you’re new to this site, you’d probably think Joe doesn’t know what he knows. Anyway, Winston=Freeman. Enough said. Oh and by the way, Freeman was sooooooo great when he went to a different team, wasn’t he? Not!

  22. AlteredEgo Says: Your comment is awaiting moderation. Says:

    This year is probably going down as Jameis’s peak annual salary ….not bad for a 25 year old…hope he has a GREAT financial planner and can coast through the reast of his life after football…Jameis is a better person than football player even with his youthful indiscretions…stay sober !

  23. RustyRhinos Says:

    Al Davis said it best. “Just Win Baby” if either Freeman or Winston would just do this they would have a franchise fan base behind them. We see the results if not.

  24. danr Says:

    Why is it when we admit we need to draft a first round quarterback, it happens to be in a year where the top of the draft is filled with busts?

    Sanchize, Mariota, Freeman, Winston,

    The only one surviving is doing so in Detroit, but you would not call him a top 5, maybe not even top 10 (until this year) qb. He is about Matt Ryan level.

  25. Bradinator Says:

    As it stands, we cannot draft a QB next year. We are not going to be pathetic enough to be a top 5 pick in the draft. The top two are going to be gone by the time we draft. Also our OL still needs help, it’s not near good enough and Dotson has lost a step. Need a RT and some decent depth otherwise we are dooming a rookie QB. Get a caretaker QB that won’t kill us.

  26. Who Cares Says:

    Lamarcus, what’s your point? It’s a pretty lame defense of JW to state that the Bucs suck with him or without him. Haha. Question: Do you think we would have beaten the Panthers without JW committing 6 TOs? Time to move on and find a mobile QB that doesn’t freeze and can make decisions on the fly. The Bucs can’t fix the O line and DBs all in one draft or two, but they CAN fix the QB position.

  27. Dlavid Says:

    [Jameis’ fumbles drive Joe nuts. No doubt those are disturbing, but correctable. Remember when Mike Alsott had a bad case of the fumbles? He corrected it. — Joe]

  28. TampaBay55 Says:


    At this point, you are just being stubborn with your AQB moniker for Jameis. He doesn’t move the needle more than any other QB in the game. That is just nonsense. You wanna know what a QB who “moves the needle” looks like? I’ll give you a hint: he plays for one of the teams in the AFC West…

  29. Lamarcus Says:

    Who cares

    My point is ppl complaining about turnovers like that gonna help us win. JW doesn’t turn the ball over and we suck more. That’s my point. JW ints vs no ints info is damning and we need everyone to play better. Not one guy

  30. Lamarcus Says:

    There is a Baker in the Cleveland that serves hot and ready turnovers at higher rate??

  31. The Buc Realist Says:

    After years of talking about how the “Give Away’s” are hurting the whole team, it is finally a relief to see Joe and the sheep finally discussing this major issue!!!!!!!!!!!!! Even 813 is talking about the lack of talent now!!!!!!!! No one agrees with The Buc Realist they say, until a year or two later when reality finally hits them!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    2019 revealed answers to the sheep, that the “real” fans already knew!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  32. Petty Officer Buc Says:

    We can suck with Winston, or we can suck without Winston. The point is that you can get a rookie QB who makes less than a million per year and use the available cap to plug holes and rebuild. Whether we keep Winston or not this team is 2 years away from having a fixed secondary and offensive line. BTW we will need to address Donovan Smith’s contract around that time as well. Same for Ryan Jensen.

  33. Bucsfanman Says:

    There’s still 10 games to play.
    Every player can be replaced. The object is WINNING, not style points, not fragile egos, WINNING!
    If a player precludes us from winning, shouldn’t they be replaced?
    This is NOT a statement specific to the QB either. We have WRs and TEs that aren’t giving maximum effort. We have DBs that are in over their heads.
    If you can’t win with them, FIX IT!

  34. Troy Says:

    I love coming on here and reading how on O-line is trash. It’s just not true. People need to go look at next gen stats from the NFL. It will tell you that the line is slightly above average. Winston is basically the 25th best QB in the league sadly. Better than Daniel Jones and Baker Mayfield, but worse than Minshew and Kyle Allen. These are the facts. I’m sorry that people don’t like them. The stats don’t lie.

  35. Lamarcus Says:

    The Qb (whoever he is) will have to be Peyton/Brady/Vick/Terminator type Qb at our current state.

  36. Lamarcus Says:


    Oline is trash. When you need additional blockers 8-9 blockers vs a 4 man front and we still can’t protect. It’s a problem

  37. PRBucFan Says:

    Y’all can eat that fat plate of crow now.

    The past 2 years I’ve said this man is Josh Freeman 2.0

    We will go nowhere with 2.0 leading this team

  38. Buc4evr Says:

    The O-line was pretty bad Sunday and the defense is still subpar, but Jameis still makes poor decisions and after five years he still doesn’t get it. The bottom line is that a number of positions need an overhaul , QB position included. As far as Jameis, he is mediocre at best and it’s hard to support a QB that just won’t learn from his past mistakes. He is not a difference maker and if he were benched tomorrow, I’m not sure it would make a difference in the won-loss column.

  39. Troy Says:

    Time to Throw – Tom Brady average 2.56, Jameis Winston average 2.74. It’s a line problem alright.

  40. mark2001 Says:

    Joe… I’m not sure Jameis’s fumbles are correctable.

    They happen when he is in “deer in the headlights” mode…the same mode when he misses open receivers, fails to run with the ball when there is an open lane, or makes poor decisions. I think he is smart enough to be a NFL winning QB…I just don’t know that he reacts fast enough and maintains his composure enough to be a winning QB. And those fumbles are because of that. Alstott was a different situation…running in traffic and losing technique holding the ball trying for the extra yard.

  41. PRBucFan Says:

    The naivety of some of you.

    YES there are other problems but Winston IS THE BIGGEST

    Also who the hell said you can only address one problem?

    Just cause there are other issues does NOT EXCUSE turning the ball over the most in the NFL since being drafted.

    So keep reaching. Cause you look stupid.

  42. Posey99 Says:

    “Troy Says:
    October 16th, 2019 at 10:18 am
    Time to Throw – Tom Brady average 2.56, Jameis Winston average 2.74. It’s a line problem alright.”

    The problem with those numbers are time to throw and actually throwing. Plays when Jameis leaves the pocket and dances around in a panic are not factored. Also throwing the ball to the other team in 2.74 seconds isn’t something to be proud of.

  43. mark2001 Says:

    PB…Jameis might be the biggest problem. That doesn’t mean he is the worst player on our team at his position, or that he directly causes any more losses than our D backs and such. But the mentality of a team when they know the QB is dependable withing a small perimeter is completely different than having a Jeckyl / Hyde QB, because such a QB can almost single handedly cost a game no matter how good the rest of the team plays. On that basis, yes..he likely is the biggest problem. But certainly not close to being the only problem.

  44. Troy Says:

    @Posey99 LOL!

  45. PRBucFan Says:



    Right Now, Griffin would be a more more productive QB. Winston is playing like the worst QB in the league.

    And I never said he was the only problem. I clearly stated that.

    Even Arians said most of his sacks on Sunday. Were on Jameis. Not the line.

    To quote Arians “Just throw it away, it’s that simple.”

  46. PRBucFan Says:

    Every year we make excuses and point the finger at everyone else BUT Freeman 2.0.

    It time to move on. He won’t be here be next year. If you wanna bet me money we can do that.

    The Freemanites has to accept it, now the Winstonites will have to be force fed it too.

  47. 813bucboi Says:



    folks are complaining about turnovers because it cost us games….

    did you miss the 9ers game…lol….
    did you miss the panthers game….lol…

    and we havent even discussed his fumbles….lol….

    get a clue man….JW is a bust…

    GO BUCS!!!!!

  48. PRBucFan Says:

    Griffin spent a couple years under Sean Peyton and Brees’s tutelage.

    Eventually we are going to see what he can offer with his feet to the flames cause this won’t be Winstons only bad game.

    This game will stay with him. He looked shook in his presser. And with good reason. He’s reaching the end of his time here.

  49. mark2001 Says:

    PR… hemorrhoids acting up again? I’m not disagreeing with you…just explaining why I think you are likely correct. And you do know that capital sentences don’t really strengthen your argument, don’t you?

    And regarding Arians, you can imagine how frustrating this is. You would think just throwing the ball away isn’t rocket science. But when a player gets into meltdown mode, all logic goes out the window. And though he might have “football smarts”, I don’t know that he will ever have enough composure when under pressure and fast enough reactions in such a situation to ever be successful. This isn’t a technical issue…it is a emotional and mental issue. And those are the toughest to deal with. even if you are a QB whisperer.

  50. NPRSageBoy Says:

    Last time I looked, both Freeman and JayMiss were losers. Freeman went on to a stellar career in the CFL, perhaps JayMiss will follow.


  51. Lamarcus Says:


    You don’t even what a bust is because u think Vh3 is any good. I will never accept a player evaluation from you. JW is a bust but Vh3 is good? Lay off the dope

  52. PRBucFan Says:

    It’s called EMPHASIS

    Or else I would have capitalized it all bud 😉 if that’s what my mentality was.

    It is simple.
    He’s just refusing to take direction. How many times does he have to be told?

    Mental or whatever the case may be he is choosing to not throw it away.

    That cannot be tolerated. And Arians will replace him if he does it again. Bet on that.

    And would you like to take a look doctor? 😉

  53. Petty Officer Buc Says:

    Now now, we can’t call VH3 a bust until he has had 3 different head coaches and plays out the 5th year of his contract. It’s still early to tell. What if he is the next Dieon Sanders?

  54. 813bucboi Says:


    im not talking about the lack of talent….im talking about the QB fsu fans refuse to let go…..

    GO BUCS!!!!!

  55. PRBucFan Says:

    How do you excuse all those sacks that were from pressure caused by him holding onto the ball?

    Do we expect the lineman to block for an eternity while he dances around with his happy feet?

    I’m over him. I reaching the same point I reached with Jekyll and Hyde under center. Unwatchable.

  56. PRBucFan Says:

    Maybe the Bucs will reach the playoffs in another century if the NFL is still in existence by then.

    I don’t wanna die before it happens. So I have some evaluating to do.

  57. 813bucboi Says:


    VHG has failed to live up to his 1st round bill…..he bust….


    VHG wasnt drafted to be the face of the franchise……
    VHG wasnt drafted #1 overall…..
    VHG never won a championship at UF…..
    VHG never won a heisman….
    VHG was never seen as the best CB since patrick peterson…..

    JW was drafted to be the FOF….
    JW was drafted #1 overall…..
    JW won the heisman….
    JW won a championship….
    JW was considered the best QB prospect since andrew luck…..

    JW is a HUGE BUST!!!!!……

    suck it up and admit it….

    GO BUCS!!!!!!

  58. Tye Says:

    Ever since the moment they brought in Byron Leftwich (ole wind up) to be their starting QB they have spiraled at that position… Not that the Bucs have ever had a great qb but this last few have been hard to watch..

  59. Bucnjim Says:

    You can’t turn the ball over in the NFL and win it’s as simple as that!
    1 888-410-5 68.4% 860-404-39 68.0%
    +2 699-150 82.3% 673-158-18 81.0%
    +3 372-35-1 91.4% 357-43-8 89.2%
    +4 or more 285-8-1 97.3% 279-14-1 95.2%
    TOTAL (+1 or better) 2244-603-7 78.8% 2169-619-66 77.8%

    Notice that with the Bucs being -4 or more we had a 2.7% chance of winning that game. Even at -2 there was only a 19% chance of winning. This is where we’ve been the last decade between Freeman and Winston.

  60. 541Buc Fan Says:

    It’s time to stop obsessing about JW … unless they resign him, ugh.

    What’s the team’s plan? They knew JW was 51% to bust after last year, and I don’t see a lot of good pieces. What’s our identity, what’s the vision, and how do we get franchise players?

  61. MidwestBucsFan Says:

    Great read.

    I love it when The Logical Joe™ is behind the keyboard.

  62. Oneilbucs Says:

    A quarterback that throws a 100 touchdowns is not a bust . He is just with the wrong team.

  63. JamesisNOT Says:

    Now all you punks can call me a prophet. Where are all the clowns that floated after the Rams win? You cannot teach dumb as a bag of hammers to be smart, just can’t be done.

  64. Robert Says:

    he does not have the mental capacity to be a QB. zero foresight, intuition, common sense …you know it.

    and don’t even mention his GPA…that doesn’t mean squat in the real world unless you’re an engineer or something

  65. mark2001 Says:

    Oneil…so you think the only thing important in evaluating a QB is touchdown throws? And newsflash for you…no HC would put up with multiple games from Jameis like he had in the last one. Again, it is this simple. 10 good games in a row, and he gets that franchise contract. A couple more like the last one, and he will be a backup project somewhere else.

  66. Robert Says:

    you can’t fix stupid.

    that should be on the back of his jersey

  67. mark2001 Says:

    Or that may be overly optimistic… he may be the next great QB in Canada or he can rip up the XFL.

  68. TouchDownTampaBay Says:

    So Jeff, you think Case Keenum would have put up 55 points on the Rams? You think Gay would have made the kick against the Giants if Keenum had started? You think Keenum would have beat a 49ers team that is now undefeated? GTFO! Jameis has had a couple bad games and may not make it to 2020 with this team, but the Keenum was a collossul bust as a starter. So annoying when our fans show how dumb they really are.

  69. lambchop Says:


    You’re comparing A-Train’s fumbles with Winston? What?!

    Alstott fumbled while rumbling through tackles and people punch the ball out.

    Winston fumbles cuz he sits around growing tulips and staring down receivers.

    You can’t change the hero in Winston. You just gotta change the QB.

    It’s as simple as that. It does NOT take BA to confirm that he still holds onto the ball too much where BA is clearly referencing Winston’s history and Dirk’s efforts to get that stuborness out of him.

    Case closed my man, Winston is stuck in his ways and he will fumble his way out of the league. Mark it.

  70. lambchop Says:


    How do you know another QB couldn’t win here? How do you know we would even have needed Gay to nail that kick if the game turned out differently?

    You don’t. Don’t call the kettle black, son!

  71. JamesisNOT Says:

    Trade the tard now. Arians knows how dumb he is by now. Hilarious comment he made the other day “ he sacked himself 3 or 4 times during Sunday’s game. Think of the Irony, since he could not find his way out of of wet paper sack.

  72. Toucanpi Says:

    I have seen plenty of plays where receivers were not open.JW needs better time recognition for when to ditch the play or run.Film will show if he did the right thing.

  73. Robert Says:

    Leave him in, let him earn his 20 million and get KO’d. heck a concussion would probably help his head!!!

  74. 813bucboi Says:

    Oneilbucs Says:
    October 16th, 2019 at 11:57 am
    A quarterback that throws a 100 touchdowns is not a bust . He is just with the wrong team.

    50 take it garbage time…..

    GO BUCS!!!!!

  75. Ed Says:

    It’s pretty simple, the Glazers will not want to sign him to a multi-year gigantic contract unless after 16 games the Bucs can win 8 or 9. You don’t need to pay a quarterback that much money to win 4 or 5 games, anyone in the NFL can do that. Based on years 1-4 and 6 games in, the losing record, the interceptions, the fumbling, taking too many sacks and the lack of having a better understanding of what defenses are doing isn’t overwhelming his passing yardage and touchdowns.

    The final decision lies with the Glazers and I would be shocked if they commit that much money to a QB that isn’t rising the needle.

  76. Alanbucsfan Says:

    even though he put the team in position for an easy win.-

    Joe likes to ignore the previous 4 possessions in 2nd half resulted in 4 and out, punt, sack, punt, sack , punt, interception; and Bucs were outscored 22-3 .

  77. TouchDownTampaBay Says:

    Alan, so you are saying if Gay had made that chip shot against the Giants would have won anyways? I guess guys like you, Jeff, and lambchop can’t get back to the days of Glennon, Greise, Dilfer, etc where the QB play is awful with no upside. I for one will let this play out for the rest of the season and if he balls out in 8, 9, or 10 of these last games I want him back for at least another year. So many of you are just waiting on the edge of your seat for him to fail, and when he did you all pounced and are rejoicing. I honestly believe you would rather finish the season 2-14 with Griffin then 11–5 with a resurgent Jameis Winston. I want them to win personally and I want Jameis to succeed because if he doesn’t we are rebuilding for another 5 years at least. If he succeeds we can focus on other areas of need, and there are many.

  78. Alanbucsfan Says:


    What I’m saying is the 2nd half of Giants game was typical inconsistent Jameis- he couldn’t sustain drives, incompletions, he got sacked, intercepted- even if Gay makes the kick and Bucs win, are you telling me 6 points in a half vs terrible Giants’ D is ok?
    If you’re waiting for Jameis to ball out the rest of season- I’ll give you 3 maybe 4 games he does that, the other 6 games you’ll get inconsistent, turnovers, sacks and losses- you want to sign him to a long term deal? Then you’re just a Jameis fan no matter what.
    I thought Arians’ coaching might make a difference, but he is who he is- abox of chocolates- you never know what you’re gonna get.

  79. PRBucFan Says:

    Jameis balling 8 or 9 games to close out the season bwahaha.

    That would be a FIRST.

    Inconsistency is his middle name.

    Along with Freeman

  80. PRBucFan Says:

    It’s Jameis Crablegs Freeman Inconsistency Happy Feet Winston to be exact

  81. orlbucfan Says:

    It’s the usual cast of cyber yahoos no one has ever heard of posting. Yawn……

  82. DB55 Says:

    Bucs can win 8 or 9. You don’t need to pay a quarterback that much money to win 4 or 5 games, anyone in the NFL can do that
    Fun fact only 14 or 32 teams won more than 7 games last year. Less than 50% of the league. Lol.


  83. DalvinCookRules Says:

    There are a lot of similarities, but the difference is that Jameis is the hardest worker on the field and Freeman was one of the laziest. Mentally, both processed the field at about the same rate so that factor seemz to be masking everything else.

    I dont see Jameis out of football in 5 years like Freeman, but then again we just saw what Luck did, and it is not like JW has ever faced this level of failure in his life so it might just break him

  84. mark2001 Says:

    Dalvin…know you are a fine RB…but wouldn’t Jonathan Taylor look great in a Bucs uniform? He will likely break Herschel Walkers yardage record in three years of college ball by the end of the year. You watch him look and wait for a hole, find it, use his power,and turn on the jets…with his speed and power…and pass catching added this year, would make a great Buc.

  85. Jeffbuc Says:

    Touchdown Tampa bay. No we are not haters I would love for him to succeed. But it would be like at work me keeping a guy in ho does pretty well at his job for 3weeks but then one week a month he just messes up and loses all the clients he got in his two weeks and now we’re in the red because of him. How long would that employee last. You call me dumb and say Keemun wouldn’t have beat the 49rs. Jameis Gave then 14 points. You take away those two pick sixes we win that game. You can’t defend Jameis for two of six games and your ok with that. I’m not anymore if he lost us two games already and we’re in week six.

  86. mark2001 Says:

    BTW…I’ve seen Taylor and Gordon play at UW… Taylor is definitely a big cut above Gordon.

  87. bucsfan951 Says:


  88. mark2001 Says:

    BF951… I would… but would never happen and don’t really see the point of the question. Now if Winston only had one game like the two stinkers he had this year already, in an entire season, that would be a much tougher decision. But he obviously hasn’t shown that he can do that…so far.

  89. DooshLaRue Says:

    AlteredEgo Says: Your comment is awaiting moderation. Says:
    October 16th, 2019 at 9:15 am
    Two headcases…two big kids growing up that were good at football…but were not football players…they were something else


    Absolutely true.

  90. JamesisNOT Says:

    Moderation Joe. Cmon man. The truth does bother you now doesn’t it.

  91. PRBucFan Says:

    “It’s the usual cast of cyber yahoos no one has ever heard of posting. Yawn……“

    I was posting here since the birth of these here comment threads.

    The Joe(s) can confirm that for you 😉

    I just took a hiatus lol.

  92. Oneilbucs Says:

    Well I remember when big Ben threw 6 interceptions and came right back in threw 4 the next game and no body ever said find a new quarterback. And Ben’s team was waaaaay better than ours so what rookie quarterback is going to come in and win with this trash team is my question????

  93. PRBucFan Says:

    With this trash team?

    Bwahahaha this team is far from trash.

    The QB is playing like trash.

    And who cares about what Big Ben did it who said anything about him?

  94. Ndog Says:

    So PR which unit of this team is good? The running game 23rd in the league, the pass protection 2nd most sacks allowed in the league, the coverage unit is dead last in the league, the pressure on the passer is the 12th worst in the league, punting 6th worst in the league at dowing inside the 20, punt return is 4th worst in the league, kick return 6th worst in the league. Yes we are the best at stopping the run but that makes no difference when teams throw the ball at will on us. So what do we well we’ll again? Oh besides throw the ball despite an admitted crap oline?

  95. Negative Nancy Says:

    Licht and the idiot sons thought they hit the jackpot with Winston. They didn’t. Gotta accept it and move on, can’t keep holding on to the same worthless asset hoping it will one day magically deliver.

    Could have drafted 5 other possible franchise QB’s by now.

  96. PRBucFan Says:

    We have an elite receiving core

    And elite front seven defensively

    Yup and most of those sacks are caused by freeman 2.0 holding onto the ball for 25 years. But that’s the lineman’s fault right?

    We have been in nearly every game DESPITE Winston’s sabotage.

    Saying we’re are not “trash” is not saying we are other worldly.

    But atm you can throw in a middle school WB and they are going to have the IQ to throw the ball away after being told to for ( years when required.

  97. Joe Says:

    And elite front seven defensively

    At stopping the run… in a passing league.

  98. PRBucFan Says:

    I didn’t say anything about the cornerbacks or safeties lol

  99. JameisNOT Says:

    Cmon guys. You do know that NDog is nothing more than a troll

  100. Oneilbucs Says:

    Then how in the world we are ranked 3rd in scoring offense and our running game is ranked 23rd if Jamies playing so bad ?? Now he had a bad game last week but how many of those interceptions were clean pockets??? I saw at least 3 of those interceptions he was hit while throwing the ball but no one ever talked about that part of it. When the 59 pick him off he was hit while throwing the ball. When he over threw OJ he was hit on that play as well. And I have 1 more important question why do he has to throw 40 times every game how come we never run the ball at least 25 times a game with out you guys saying that the coaching staff don’t trust him???? I look at the 49ers and they run the ball at least 25 or 30 times and no body say that they don’t trust Jimmy G .

  101. PRBucFan Says:

    Jesus your in such denial dude

    It’s ok huntey, it will all be over soon.