“Same Ol’ Jameis”

September 10th, 2019

Talks Bruce Arians.

It seems the creator, curator and overall guru of Pro Football Talk, the great Mike Florio, is like a lot of Bucs fans.

After America’s Quarterback, Pro Bowler Jameis Winston, threw his second pick-six of the day that doomed the Bucs against the 49ers, Joe posted on Twitter it was time for the Bucs’ organization to start heavily scouting top quarterbacks in the quarterback-rich draft next winter.

Joe is not yet ready to throw the towel in on Jameis but the end is near if he doesn’t radically change up his game. He has 15 games to do so.

A whole lot of Jameis supporters Joe knows, who read Joe’s tweet, had the same reaction. For Jameis to have the support system he has (teammates, coaches) and for him to work out all offseason knowing he couldn’t shat the bed like that again, and to play like he did, it was very bad.

Florio, in his weekday “PFT Live” show seen mornings on NBC Sports Network, seemed genuinely dejected that Jameis had a rough outing as he spoke with his co-host, former Bucs quarterback Chris Simms, who was also bummed out with Jameis’ play.

“Same ol’ Jameis,” Florio began, referring to Jameis’ picks. “I said all offseason that [pairing Bucco Bruce Arians with Jameis] was either going to go extremely well or it is going to be a disaster for the Buccaneers. And I was rooting for ‘very well’ because I like Bruce Arians. But I have a feeling that by Halloween Bruce Arians is going to wish he had not come back to coaching.”

Simms summed up his feeling about Jameis melting down — again — as “disappointing” because the Bucs, he said, are his team since the franchise drafted him.

As far as Florio referencing Halloween, that’s about the launch date when Bucs fans annually begin draft talk in detail for the follow spring.

You can see the full segment in the NBC Sports video below.


70 Responses to ““Same Ol’ Jameis””

  1. AKickInTheBucNuts Says:

    “But I have a feeling that by Halloween Bruce Arians is going to wish he had not come back to coaching.”

    I think BA was thinking that by 6pm September 8.

  2. Anonymous Says:

    Jameis is deficit to this team in every way. And don’t give me this crap about two of three of the picks were someone else’s fault. Jameis L. “Loser” Winston has the same challenges as other QBs that are proven to be much better. They can blame their INTs on others too. He is bottom of the bottom tier of starting QBs in the NFL. Why can’t the Bucs have a guy a DeShaun Watson, Russel Wilson, or Pat Mahomes? This human trash needs to go.

  3. adam from ny Says:

    what if…

    what if it was just week 1 jitters, and fameis is all litty in carolina ???

    what if…

  4. richbucsfan Says:

    I agree. Jamies has proven he is not coachable. He has Tom Moore, Leftwich, Shula, and Arians to help him and yet, he is still Jameis. Remember Jimbo Fisher screaming at him on the sideline after yet another stupid decision? Very few NFL coaches do the screaming route. The expectation is to learn and integrate. Jameis simply cannot do that.

  5. Glazers Suck Says:

    Call Kaepernick

  6. Clw JB Says:

    By halftime he was googling “quickest route to the lake house in GA”

    JW looked horrible no matter what spin is put on the picks- he was off from the start and did his normal frantic, panicked, bad decision making self

    If not for the D it would have been Tennessee ready

  7. TDTB Says:

    I don’t know about BA. He’s been around the block. Despite what he says publicly about JW (what else could he or should he say), he had to know that a flame out was possible or even probable given JW’s 4 year history. It seems just as likely to me that BA viewed this as a no lose situation with one of the best QB draft classes in recent history just around the corner. Either JW kills it (and he drafts a moldable QB in round 3 or later) or he gets whoever he wants at the top of the draft. I just don’t buy the party line that he made a life altering decision to rejoin the coaching ranks based solely on his ability to salvage JW.

  8. Phred Says:

    For JW, this is a 16-part job interview. Okay, he just walked into the interview with his pants unzipped: not a great start (maybe he just took a leak and and forgot) but not a deal-breaker. Let’s see how the second part goes…

  9. firethecannons Says:

    I have seen enough, Bucs fans deserve a better quarterback. He throws the most picks in the entire league! He always has, it is of supreme importance but yet he cannot stop doing it. I hope they trade him by the end of October if possible. There are several good quarterbacks in the next draft. Joe please give us some articles on that. I have seen enough, BA finding reasons to make his piks acceptable was over the top! No qb is routinely throwing 3 piks a game like him.

  10. ITS ABOUT TIME !! Says:


  11. Kord Says:

    If Jameis starts in Carolina the Bucs will get destroyed. BA needs to show that he cares, start Griffin for ####s sake. He would be a backup on any team in pro football, hands down.

  12. ATrain Says:

    So he has had FOUR YEARS to get better and not with High School coaches

    NFL caliber coaches


    In Fact he looked worse

    No More Excuses

    Winston is an Excuse ATM You could write a BOOK on Excuses


  13. Buc believer Says:

    @Phred… yes his pants were unzipped but he also had a big wet stain in the front.

  14. Bucsfanman Says:

    This is Jameis. He throws absolute dimes to WRs and in the same game throws to the wrong color jersey. This has been the case since he’s been here. We’ve surrounded him with weapons, better coaching, and what looks like better defensive play. I would not be expecting him to be here with this type of play moving forward.
    Can he change? Well, we’re waiting. I’d love to see a turnaround but I just don’t know.

  15. adam from ny Says:

    if jameis flops, the back up plan is to get andrew luck to tampa…bruce can make this happen…

    you don’t want griff in there…reality is he’s a back up at best…and he’s really our third stringer under BA

    you want fitzy – but he’s getting a “moons over my hammy” breakfast all up in his beard as i type this…


  16. Bucsfanman Says:

    Also, he’s the best QB on the roster right now. I don’t expect him to be benched, and certainly not in favor of Griffin.
    There’s a reason they signed Gabbert in the offseason and it’s not because of their glowing confidence in Ryan Griffin!

  17. Bruce Blahak Says:

    WinSTUNNED!….QB change should have been dealt with last year when he was suspended…stuck with the buffoon now.

  18. gotbbucs Says:

    It wasnt just the interceptions either, those are just a byproduct of bigger issues. He cant throw timing routes. He cant go through progressions fast enough. He refuses to take check downs.
    All of these things equal late throws that miss open receivers when they are actually open which means throwing into tighter windows and forcing him to try to put more muscle into the pass and causing an inaccurate pass…….and when all else fails, throw it up for grabs instead of into the dirt to live another day.

    They wont be able to fix him.

  19. adam from ny Says:

    the problem with fitzy was he was equal to jameis, and had jameis buckling mentally…so arians the whisper had to let fitzy go…

    both are not really starters and not really back ups…they are tweeners…

    tweeners are: a qb thats sort of a meh starter, or an uber back up

    #JameisTheUberBackUp #PunDefinitelyIntended

  20. Ghost of Darrell Henderson Says:

    I think Jameis will be fine.

    The defense seems to be playing well and Rojo looks like the real deal.

    The offensive line wasn’t too bad.

    The Bucs should win easily in Carolina if they can control McCafferty. He is all they have.

    They have totally clipped Cam’s wings. He looks terrible.

  21. Ndog Says:

    Same old lazy media.

  22. AlteredEgo Says: Your comment is awaiting moderation. Says:

    Just read Rick Stroud’s article where BA said 2 of Jameis’s INT’s were not his fault….I understand what he is “trying to whisper”….but this will bite him HARD in the azz….Jamyth is as Jamyth does….and he has been doing this since FSU which is the real problem, not a 9′ short pass….keep digging at your own peril BA

  23. Loyaltotheend Section 312 Says:

    Apologists for JW will say 2 of the 3 INTs weren’t his fault but the decision making still sucks and is not getting better

    2 dropped INTs and numerous off target throws shows he’s not the answer

  24. adam from ny Says:

    jameis’ mechanics are like totally screwed up…he looked like a complete mess out there sunday…his feet were happier than i have ever ever seen them…he looked scared like dilfer in 1995-96…

    maybe he was shell shocked by the abuse he took in the cleveland game…because that was the last time he played…

    he might be scared of his own offensive line…something is definitely up…he did not look relaxed in the pocket for one second…BA definitely sees this…

    kwon knows jameis well, and prolly wacked him because he saw he was a mess, and gambled that one good shot would get him super shook…

    i think it’s a core offensive line problem as the main issue…

    i.e. bennonoch getting cut…dot is next – and he knows it…
    then cappa after dot, if things don’t improve fast…

    from jensen to the left will remain all season…but they will replace to the right side of jensen real soon if they don’t start balling hard

  25. adam from ny Says:

    i don’t want it to seem like cappa will get cut, from what i wrote…cappa will get benched and demoted if necessary

  26. adam from ny Says:

    most of rojo’s success sunday came from running thru the crease between marpet and jensen…not cappa and jensen

  27. Bob in Valrico Says:

    Jameis has struggled against the better defenses since he came into the league.
    When he has bad games he gets desperate and reverts to a less controlled sand lot type of football. This has to affect his confidence and self doubt is not a confidence builder. My concern is
    if he repeating these types of games, he will no longer have the confidence to lead the team effectively.

  28. Anglican Says:

    On top of this me paying 4 Grand a year to watch this dumpster fire called JW is ridiculous. Let alone the NFL scheduling screwed us over, that has us a majority of our games are 1 in the afternoon which is hot as hell. This is getting old very fast

  29. Anonymous Says:

    He is a lost cause. A fan drag. A loser in life, in football. Move on from this guy.

  30. Pittsshore Says:

    7.3 QBR
    DJax (aka cancer) had two 50+ yard catches in his first game away from JW
    I’ve been telling you all along he will be gone immediately after the London game. I am so glad I will be in attendance to watch his funeral.

  31. Bird Says:

    Run game good – over 100 yards rushing
    Defense great – only gave up 17 pts and scored 7 themselves -250 yards total
    Oline decent but not terrible

    Pretty much ideal situations for a team to win

    Bucs have carolina and giants next 2 games
    Both winnable . Easier games left on schedule. And would Love to have Cam show up all bummed …wearing a funky outfit and jacked up hair to his post game press conference.

    Let’s have this conversation heading into week 4

  32. Tom Edrington Says:

    Everyone’s being so mean to Jameis……

  33. Bird Says:

    I heard somewhere that the 49ers only had 2 INTs all of last year
    And 3 against us obviously in 1 game

    I hope that statement was not accurate

  34. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    Joe….you keep saying Jameis has 15 games to improve…..I think not…..more like 6 or 7…..if he is not playing extremely well by then, the Bucs will pull the plug.
    The minute they decide he will not be extended, he’s history.
    They should let him go to FA….some team will give him a healthy backup contract and we will get a good comp pick.
    That will finally give Ryan Griffin some NFL snaps….and who knows what will happen with him?

  35. Pittsshore Says:

    NDog. I have a cabin in the North Georgia mountains (Helen, Ga) and will be up there this weekend. There is a local bar called the Troll Tavern, which is not a spot I normally frequent. I will make an attempt to stop by and look for your picture on the wall.

  36. AceOfAerospace Says:

    I’ll be shocked if Winston makes it past the trade deadline. A 7th round pick would be better than nothing. Surely some team will cough up a pick for an experienced backup.

  37. Defense Rules Says:

    Adam from NY … ‘What if’ is such a great question. Started wondering last night ‘What if Jameis HAS been OVER-COACHED?’ What would it look like? Could it look like what we saw in his performance on Sunday?

    I’m starting to think that’s exactly what might’ve happened. A (still) young man with lots of weight (in terms of expectations) on his shoulders. A history of inconsistency behind him … his career potentially hanging in the balance. Four very experienced coaches telling him what to do right and what to avoid. And to Jameis it’s very likely all coming down to ‘Don’t make a mistake, don’t make a mistake. Trust your teammates and the coaches. Just DO YOUR JOB and we’ll win.’

    From the very git-go, I thought Jameis looked tentative. I think there’s a decent chance that he was trying so hard to ‘be someone he’s not’ that he lost himself in the process. Very possibly a good chance that that the first INT (off OJ’s hands) got to him and he had trouble shaking it. We’ve always had TWO Jameises … Good Jameis and Bad Jameis. ‘What if’ four voices in his head has quadrupled that number and he’s lost his identity? IF that’s the case, HOPEFULLY BA sets him straight & gets him back on-track by Thursday.

  38. Morgus the Magnificent Says:

    “And I was rooting for ‘very well’ because I like Bruce Arians”…..LOL….no mention of Jameis love!! This Winston Experiment/Debacle is over and done. Move on.

  39. Loyaltotheend Section 312 Says:

    Don’t buy the new system excuse

    QBs deranged Bucs fans think are worse than Jameis played with new coordinators and played better

    Andy Dalton, Mariota and even Case Keenum played against better defenses and played much better

  40. Jimbuc2 Says:

    BA said about those accountability sheets, “If your name shows up too often that means either you don’t give a sh!t, or you’re too dumb. So, you can’t be a Buc.” Well, tell us, the long-suffering fans just how the above applies to Jameis. I really don’t give a hang who the QB is. Suit up Alfred E. “What, Me worry?” Newman for all I care. Just as long as the man under center can remain calm under duress. Jameis gets that bug-eyed ‘deer-in-the-headlights look too often and his panic-driven decision making leads to disaster. Time to move on from this panty waister.

  41. firethecannons Says:

    who cares what is wrong with Jameis, it cant be fixed, so lets get out of worse salary cap helll and get a QB we can all like and be proud of. It does not matter why or how JW got screwed up and started throwing piks every game (since his early FSU days) don’t feel sorry for him just dump him and move on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  42. Morgus the Magnificent Says:

    And even the Jameis defenders have gone stone cold silent here. Good.

  43. firethecannons Says:

    Jameis is this year’s Blake Bortles

  44. Dusthty Rhothdes Says:

    Think that BA sold the bucs a bill of goods and the glazers took it. I mean Koetter was getting a lot out of JW and the bucs offense was humming. Now you saddle jameis with an offense that is like the dungy era and a mike shula esque OC in Byron, that game plan was horrible. Having Barber out wide on Sherman? WTF, you have evans OJ brate, perrriman, bobo….what a joke of a gameplan

  45. 1sparkybuc Says:

    Jameis didn’t lose this game all by himself. There’s 15 left. We saw progress with the ground attack, and the defense was spectacular in comparison to the puke Mike Smith came up with. Jameis will never be Tom Brady, but BA might drag a Bret Favre out of him over the course of the season. I remember Farve throwing 6 interceptions in a single game as an NFL veteran. Sunday sucked, but I want to see what BA does with Jameis after 16 games. A single game against a really tough defense is not a great gauge.

  46. snookman Says:

    1) Jameis sucked on Sunday
    2) James has shown he can bounce back……..He played better after the Cincy game last year and after the Tennesee debacle in 2015 so he has it in him.
    3) Bruce arians is a very good coach and smart person, he is proven. He would not have taken this job if he did not think that this team could be better than it was on sunday.
    4) Its week #1. Nobody other than New England is ready on week#1

    5) if Jameis throws for 350 yards 4 tds and no INTS and we win on Thursday night than everything changes

    Im with everyone else im very disappointed and discouraged with how Jameis was still making the same mistakes as he did in Years 1-4. Im not giving him any excuses. I still hold out glimmer of hope that he improves but would jnot be surprised if it goes either way with this cat. We should have drafted Mariota he is a much smarter person and a better QB. I am holding on to the hope that it is just week #1 and they will figure it out but if not Jameis will be a complete bust………if he is not already

  47. Hodad Says:

    Arains was brought in to fix Jameis, and now we’re stuck with all three. Arains, Jameis, and Licht. Bruce Arains is a dinosaur, and so is his offense. We should’ve blown the whole thing up starting with Licht, and finding a competent G.M. who could find a younger H.C. that would run a more modern offense. If Jameis flames out this year which looks very likely we’ll still have Licht drafting the next QB. Reality is as long as the Glazers own this team they’ll never field a winner.

  48. miken Says:

    @1sparkey… yes, he pretty much did, but true there are 15 left! Win Thursday and get the giants at home and then go out to LA and take our L and we are 2-2.

  49. LargoBuc Says:

    #rebuild2020 start scouting a gm. Let him do his thing and bring in his scouts and hire his head coach.
    I hate being harsh on OJ but he earned it. 2017 picks Deshaun Watson and Ryan Ramcyzk were out there contributing to a hard fought game. OJ was either invisible or dropping passes or getting ran over etc.

  50. Ed Says:

    There is one thing good NFL quarterbacks DO NOT DO, that is PANIC. Ronde Barber said thats exactly what Jameis did on his last pick. As Buc fans we’ve seen this before. When good NFL defenses put pressure on him his game folds. There are many other quarterbacks in the league that are able to realize that if a play isn’t working out the way it should, take the down and play another, throw it away or find a dump off. Winston hasn’t learned that option. He holds on to the ball trying to find a play downfield and then because he held it to long there is no timing. The Bucs need a quarterback that is just average or middle to good. They don’t need a superstar. The new prototype NFL quarterbacks are the Russell Wilsons, Patrick Maholmes, Lamar Jackson, DeShaun Watson, Carson Wentz and Baker Mayfield. All are slippery, can deliver the ball from various angles and when they scramble they are difficult to get to. I’m not convinced in this day and age that guys like Winston, Newton, Matt Ryan, Joe Flacco, even Aaron Rogers can be successful in a league where you have to be fast, mobile and have an accurate arm all in one.

  51. Matthew Fifer Says:

    How can literally anyone still feel confident in or defend Jameis? He is the worst starting QB in football. I’d rather have Blake Bortles start than him and he has just as many turnovers (or did before this week) as Jameis. I didn’t really get into football until 1996. I’ve been a Bucs fan since and in that 23 years, there has never been a QB I’ve disliked more than Winston. I’d take a 50 year old Brad Johnson over this crap heap we have now.

    Like I said in another article, the only way we could possibly get a good year out of Winston is if there was a stipulation in his contract that for every turnover he has, he loses $1M! Maybe if he knew his play would directly affect his wallet, he’d actually play like he cares, because I don’t believe he does now.

    For those that defend him, name any other starting QB’s in their 5th season who is still saying EVERY press conference “I just need to get/be better”. I seriously doubt you can.

  52. Defense Rules Says:

    firethecannons … “who cares what is wrong with Jameis, it cant be fixed”. Well, I for one care what’s wrong with Jameis. And yes, I’d like to see it ‘fixed’. You (and some others) might be willing to throw the rest of this season down the toilet, but I’m not. Played sports most of my life, and I never played a game to lose. Don’t intend to start now.

    I saw a very impressive Bucs’ defense Sunday. Not perfect by any means, but light-years ahead of what I saw last year and before that. Yes we lost 31-17, BUT … far as I’m concerned the defense only gave up 14 points (2 TDs & 1 FG were on the Bucs’ offense & S/Ts). For the first game of the season, with a brand-new DC and largely rebuilt defense, THAT’S impressive. No idea if it’ll continue (especially if we don’t start winning), but it’s a great beginning.

    Now we need the offense to do its’ part. And IMO that starts with ‘Don’t turn the friggin ball over to the other team’. THAT’S the killer as we saw yesterday. Bucs’ offense put up a grand total of 10 points Sunday, and gave away 14 points. There’s no world that I know of where you win a game like that. But I also believe that we’re MUCH better than that, because we returned essentially the same offense that we had last year.

    Which leads me to believe that ‘something’ went on Sunday that fundamentally impacted the effectiveness of our passing game in particular. Yes, losing Hump didn’t help, but we’ve still got many potent weapons. Personally think it had much to do with game-planning, play-calling and blocking-schemes. But hey, that’s what BA & his minions get paid the big bucks to figure out. We’ll find out Thursday how well THEY did that.

  53. 813bucboi Says:


    i agree….

    i was pissed when BA threw barber under the bus…..

    dont make excuses for winston…hold him accountable…..

    GO BUCS!!!!!

  54. Dusthty Rhothdes Says:

    This bucs defense is not very good, that niners offense is terrible. They lost their top RB, they have only one WR, the TE and the bucs could not stop him; he was wide open every play

  55. diggler Says:

    Phred Says:
    September 10th, 2019 at 5:46 am
    For JW, this is a 16-part job interview. Okay, he just walked into the interview with his pants unzipped: not a great start (maybe he just took a leak and and forgot) but not a deal-breaker. Let’s see how the second part goes…

    ^^^Hopefully he doesn’t grab the interviewers crotch in part 2 of the interview LOL

  56. 813bucboi Says:

    dont see how anyone can bring up play calling and game planning…..both were very good….

    2 players didnt come ready to play…..winston and OJ…

    GO BUCS!!!!!

  57. Jean Lafitte Says:

    groundhog day

  58. stpetebucsfan Says:

    I agree with Snookman’s #5

    “if Jameis throws for 350 yards 4 tds and no INTS and we win on Thursday night than everything changes”

    But sadly while I certainly hope that happens I believe the operative word is IF.

    I’ve been the blog optimist but that performance Sunday was a real gut wrenching experience. We answered most questions with optimistic results except for the single most important question…QB!

    JW has just demonstrated such losing ways from the neck up. He’s got a strong arm…is a deceptively good runner…elusive…has plenty of heart…but he just doesn’t have good judgement and he lacks anticipation.

    Most time if you wait until the target is open to throw it’s too late…NFL DB’s just are too quick to recover…the ball has to be there before target or DB. JW seems unable to pull this off.

    Many times when he does complete a pass we marvel because his cannon arm allowed him to toss a complete dart just before a tight window slams shut. Sadly many times though the window does shut and it’s a defensed pass or worse an int.

  59. Bob in Valrico Says:

    Jameis has had these stinker games since his last year in college. Impossible for me to blame three different coaching regimes. Jameis is the only constant.

    I will concede , Jameis may be looking over his shoulder,but it reminds me of Harrison Ford in Raiders of the lost Arc, running down the mountain with an evergrowing boulder chasing him. Jameis is looking over his shoulder trying to
    get away form an evergrowing boulder called turnovers.

  60. Smashsquatch Says:

    I wonder if BA actually believes that BS he’s spinning about Jameis tried to throw the ball away and was rattled by the grounding call earlier, blah, blah, blah……. The dude did what he ALWAYS does, he risked everything to save one single play. No chance you convince me he was throwing that ball away. He threw a five yard blind hail mary! Sameis Jameis

  61. passthebuc Says:

    Joe. why do you have a problem admitting you were wrong. The best talent in the business knows JW is a train wreck. I doubt if you tried to trade him you could get a 6 round p;ick

  62. Negative Nancy Says:

    Once again, another year, and it still feels like the Keystone Kops out there…. Anyone who buys a ticket to that stadium is doing a dis-service to all Bucs fans… the Glazers need to go!

  63. Sport Says:

    Its simple for me at this point, is JW an asset or a liability? The accountability sessions week after week will expose the truth, its done in front of the team, they will see JW exposed week after week. The players and the coaches know the truth and they will.support him until THEY determine he is a liability. His smooth talking words and energy won’t be able to overcome his actions on the field, especially when it counts.

    My only support of JW at this point hope, which is usually all that is left before the end. In this case, his tenure in Tampa.

    Go Bucs!

    In BA I Trust!

  64. unbelievable Says:

    Simms is 100% spot on.

    You can’t throw that screen pass when your back is covered. You have to be able to see that as a QB.

  65. Buccfan37 Says:

    At this early point 5-11 looks like a reach.

  66. T REX Says:

    If you PAID for that game on Sunday you’re a fool!

  67. Loyaltotheend Section 312 Says:


    Joe never admits when he was wrong

    He still thinks Manziel should’ve been drafted here

  68. Mike Johnson Says:

    I’d bring in Colin Kapernick. New England would do it. That’s the difference. Do something bold Tampa Bay. My bad, that’s NOT..in our DNA. I feel so sorry for our fans. We deserve so much better than to..drown our sorrows in alcohol every time our Bucs take the field to numb our pain and sorrow. Do you think the Pats care what we think about them signing Antonio Brown? They could care less. Why? its simple. They will do anything to WIN. That’s all that matters to them..WINNING. I give Jameis 8 games. Lets see if he can improve. I have very little faith in him except as a backup.

  69. tnew Says:

    Winston looked bad on Sunday.. Worst than I could’ve possibly imagined. He’s playing scared and that’s the one thing I can’t stand in a QB. Reckless I will live with, tentative I can’t take. But the entire passing game was horrible. I keep hearing about how great the Bucs weapons are but there isn’t enough separation being generated with the play design. Watch the All-22, guys just have no separation versus how other teams do. The route trees were producing congestion. The other thing is I can’t believe how many times they stopped working on their routes as Winston scrambled. Godwin… and this worried me when he was moved to the slot, just can’t separate like he needs to in short area spaces. That has to get better. Evans did look sick. Howard, lets all hope he was sick. Perriman played just like he did his entire career. None of the backs looked that competent in the passing game. Thank goodness Brate looks to finally be getting back in stride.

    Winston was bad, but he had PLENTY of company to help him along.

  70. Wesley Says:

    I fear he’s right.