CBS Sports: Bucs Get A “D”
September 11th, 2019
It seems the Bucs are getting pounded on from coast to coast after their lackluster, sloppy game in a loss to the 49ers on Sunday.
And John Breech is no different. He watched NFL Game Pass for each and every game and he came away slapping the Bucs with a “D” grade.
New offense, same results. Buccaneers quarterback Jameis Winston has been an interception throwing machine in his career, and although Bruce Arians thought he could fix that, it looks like the Bucs coach is going to have to go back to the drawing board following Winston’s ugly performance against the 49ers. Winston threw three interceptions, including a two pick-sixes that basically ended up being the difference in the game. The second pick-six game with just 2:01 left in the fourth quarter and iced the loss for Tampa
Now Joe understands where some folks say, “Hey it was Week 1.” OK, Joe gets it. That’s fair. It’s been a few weeks since Bucs starters saw playing time on the field in preseason.
This is what spooks Joe about tomorrow’s game: If the Bucs were this sloppy — and they were — in their first at-bat of the season, how can we expect the team to improve much in just three days of walk-throughs before they flew to Charlotte earlier today to face the Stinking Panthers tomorrow night?
Usually, you shake the rust off if not with more games, but with practice.
September 11th, 2019 at 11:50 pm
It was over before it ever began. At least I had hope until 2 minutes remaining in first game.
September 11th, 2019 at 11:51 pm
It is what it is. I’m hoping we get the good Jameis this time. Even if that happens as a Buc its rare that all facets of our team all play good at the same time. Watch our offense play better and our D get exposed. Or the D and O do well but ST’s kill us. Fingers crossed these guys can put it together on a short week. But don’t forget Carolina is also working on a short week after a loss as well. They’re just lucky they’re at home. Not that that makes any difference to us because we lose regardless, whether we’re away or @ home.
September 11th, 2019 at 11:54 pm
This game will be highly watched by the world. In a game that was supposed to be about “McCoy s game” turned to all eyes on JW. The world will be watching
September 11th, 2019 at 11:56 pm
Week 1, yes. OF YEAR 5. A franchise QB could do so much more with this offense. No different players, just different QB. It could be so much better. The Jameis Winston experiment is a failure. Have the good sense-have the decency-to put it out of it’s misery. Then we can move on properly. But stop thinking Winston will ever be more than what he is. Mediocre.
September 12th, 2019 at 12:01 am
Maybe Carolina will beat themselves?
September 12th, 2019 at 12:03 am
Winston will ever be more than what he is. Mediocre.
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Did you know that he is the GREATEST QB IN THE HISTORY OF THE BUCCANEERS? So if he’s mediocre what’s that make the Bucs?
September 12th, 2019 at 12:05 am
Read somewhere that pointed out the Winston threw more TD passes for the 49ers than their on an did… JW is the enemy within…
The defense played well, decent running game, fied goals were made… The QB play was atrocious and could have been worse if the other 2 ints were not dropped…
Wentz played great and not in his 5th year yet.. Jared Goff did, Josh Allen did, Dak Prescott did, Watson did, Mariota did..
Recently learning Luck retired, Jacoby Brissett played well… Gardner Munches (Jags) came in 1st quarter for injured Files And played surprisingly well…
New coach, new scheme, time to develop, didn’t seem to be any of their issues…
JW just isn’t in the same categories as these guys.. JW is just not pro qb material…
September 12th, 2019 at 12:08 am
So…if JW3 throws for 5 TDs….or RoJo/Barber runs for 3 TDs/JW3 has 2 TDs in a win against Stinking Panthers?
Do we still SUCK? Did we rebound against a bad team?
Thursday night – will be telling in so many ways, for fans like me, who love Bucs football.
I expect a JW3 Rebound. And a real Running game against Stinking Panthers.
Our D – will be super-challenged by Christian McCaffrey, as a “Do-it-all” player. This dude, scares me. Crazy talent….no matter where he is on the field. Cam Newton loves CM! had 65% of offense in first game. We have to focus on stopping CM.
My prediction: Offensive Play calling will change a bit… and benefit JW3 and RoJo.
Our D – will hit Cam Newton, more than he expects, and focus on CM….and result in a least one interception – maybe Pick 6.
Net – BUCS – WIN – this game…by an inch.
September 12th, 2019 at 12:09 am
Bucs @ Panthers is THE worst game of the year. Even as a lifelong Bucs fan, this is the game I hate the most as it’s always sloppy and always boring and normally low scoring. Then add to that it’s on a Thursday night, when games are always sloppy, almost always boring and normally low scoring.
If you’re thinking this is going to be a showcase game, you’re nuts and haven’t paid attention to how awful this particular game normally is.
Bucs could still win, but it will be like the Bucs @ Panthers MNF from a few years ago. I have no idea why the NFL would want to put this game on the national stage, it’s literally one of the worst games in football every single year.
September 12th, 2019 at 12:10 am
New coach. New scheme. Better defense. SAME OLD WINSTON!!! Winston is NOT an NFL quality QB. He is average or below. He certainly would not be with $30 million dollars in 2020. Draft a QB-Get a free agent QB_ But what ever the Bucs do, don’t pay Winston that kind of money. Draft a QB, train him the way you want him to be and take the extra cash and build a better team around the young QB.
September 12th, 2019 at 12:12 am
Who did we win the Super Bowl with? A slightly above average journeyman QB Brad Johnson. Great? Nope. But decent, and DIDNT turn the ball over. Everybody acknowledges Winston’s physical talents, but it’s like they say, “Million dollar arm, ten cent head”. Even with Sapp, Brooks, Rice, Lynch and Barber, I don’t think they could make up for the mind bogglingly horrible decisions Jameis has made. And I’ll limit this criticism to on-field, though we know his judgement ANYWHERE IS SUSPECT. He simply makes too many poor reads, desperate throws, just bad decisions to ever win consistently. It is what it is.
September 12th, 2019 at 12:17 am
Our D didnt allow a score other than field goals in that game! Thats a muthfn A+
September 12th, 2019 at 12:29 am
DB55 – to help you understand (if it’s not all about JW fandom for you), passing record is not as impressive as you think because in my era running the ball was the norm and passing was rare and flashy… Passing has just become a craze in the past 10+ years… Most Bucs QBs that may have been much better at passing than Winston were never allowed to pass because it wasn’t how the game was played…
September 12th, 2019 at 12:46 am
Give JW3 a break, Bucs Fans.
Notice how every pass is contested. And ask “Why?”
JW3 has ALWAYS been— a TEAM player — “TAKE IT on my CHIN, My
FAULT” QB.
JW3 entire history, has NEVER — called out why interceptions have happened, per routes, etc. He is team player.
JW3 makes us all crazy….waiting too long to throw his pass to target. Got it! I scream at TV, for JW, to THROW the damn ball!
Yet, notice how successful QB’s/NFL teams, have receivers running wide-open routes, catching uncontested passes with defender 10+ yards away??? Hmmnnn
BUCS receivers — have defenders, glued to their asses. JW3 has to be
perfect.
How does that impact the QB options?
For Stinking Panthers….I believe BA will deliver a plan for success! Learning about JW3…
GO BUCS!
September 12th, 2019 at 1:39 am
Come on Joe…be positive…it’s not just 3 days. It’s 4 years and 3 days. This is the week Jameis learns to throw the deep ball accurately! Learns to read defenses and make better decisions! Stops throwing Interceptions and fumbling! Just don’t hold your breathe Joe. We need you and luv ya.
September 12th, 2019 at 2:07 am
A “D”?.?. That was generous. JW is a pitcher playing QB in the NFL. The little nuances of a QB are somewhat lacking because of the pitcher that is hidden within him.
September 12th, 2019 at 3:59 am
Kinda related to this piece Joe, so bear with me. Was looking at the Titans-Browns boxscore (Titans won 43-13) and can see a LOT of similarities to the Bucs-49ers game. Titans won largely because of Browns’ mistakes (Mariota was 14-of-24 for 248 yds with 3 TDs, 0 INTs and was sacked 5 times). But they played excellent defense (sacked Mayfield 4 times & held them to ONE 3rd down conversion out of 10), limited penalties (6-for-54 yds), rushed well (28-for-123 yds) … and had 0 turnovers.
Browns on the other hand beat themselves. Mayfield was 25-of-38 for 285 yds with 1 TD, 3 INTs and was sacked 4 times. Browns committed 18 penalties (losing 182 yds in the process). IOW, they beat themselves … just like the Bucs did. TURNOVERS and PENALTIES ate them alive. Gee, wonder where we’ve heard that before.
September 12th, 2019 at 4:11 am
DB55,
Unfortunately, the Buc franchise has never had an upper echelon QB . I have to believe that we’ve had maybe one QB that has been on the team 6 seasons. I don’t believe anyone has played 7. The few decent ones we’ve had are 5yrs and done.
So in light of today’s game, it’s expected that a 4yr career would put someone at the top of the stats for the team.
September 12th, 2019 at 4:53 am
JW is not the best qb in franchise history he has some stats in an era that is offensive friendly but not the best overall. The bucs defense is going to get shredded tonight by CMC, arians sold the glazers some swampland and told them he could build a beach front mansion. The glazers got cypress knees & a glades shack
September 12th, 2019 at 5:19 am
LMAO! Any they haven’t even started using the…”It’s the schedule” excuse…..YET!
September 12th, 2019 at 5:20 am
Unfotunately, I am not sure we have the best JW we have had . He doesn’t appear to be the confident QB that we had earlier in his career. In stead of overcoming mistakes and making some critical third and long opportunities,the team now lets its mistakes snowball and defeat them.
September 12th, 2019 at 5:27 am
Spot on. We would have had a B and a win if JW was not the starter.
September 12th, 2019 at 5:33 am
Although JW is not solely responsible for our losses , he has to set the tone
and be an inspirational leader on the field for almost every game. With the exception of Fitz’s two upset wins our victories have come at the expense of
some pretty bad teams.
September 12th, 2019 at 5:37 am
@MadMax
Only FG’s? I think you missed the pass from Jimmy G to a wide open and in stride James Jr.!
SF 13 – TB 7 TD 12:38
(Shotgun) J.Garoppolo pass deep left to R.James for 39 yards, TOUCHDOWN. R.Gould extra point is GOOD, Center-C.Holba, Holder-M.Wishnowsky.
September 12th, 2019 at 6:18 am
No offense …but Carolina and giants are 2 winnable games
Carolina has Cam and mccafrey . Game plan for those two
Giants have one damn player and he is a stud running back by shut him down by sending everyone at him. (Have 2 spies even)
We should come out 2-1 after first 3 games with just average to good QB play . Jameis just has to be a game manager. Nothing more nothing less until maybe he gets some confidence back cause he looked like a wounded dog last week.
And I disagree with person who said Cam with thrash Bucs defense.
Our defense is more legit then years past. Especially run defense with Suh and Vea.
Unfortunately , I think this will be an ugly game tonight just like last Thursday night . Defense and not a lot of scoring. Not saying 10-3 like bears /packers but it will be close.
September 12th, 2019 at 6:23 am
Patience, Buc fans…….this hell hole known as “America’s Quarterback” will soon be over.
September 12th, 2019 at 6:52 am
Solution. run the ball. Take the ball out of JW’s hands.
September 12th, 2019 at 6:54 am
@morgus: I pray for that daily.
September 12th, 2019 at 7:01 am
D seems like a pretty high grade considering the outcome. I would have given them an F-.
September 12th, 2019 at 7:18 am
Winston is not a pitcher either. He was not drafted until the 15th round; let that sink in. He was despised by his team mates at FSU. He was thrown off the team in the end. His chances of playing baseball are zero unless he wants to play in the minors. Reality.
September 12th, 2019 at 7:23 am
The Bucs will embarrass themselves tonight. No pride or passion. JW is good for a fumble and two picks tonight. Defense comes back to earth and gets throttled. We’ve all seen this before.
September 12th, 2019 at 7:52 am
See this is what should bother everyone. People clearly acknowledge that two of the three picks we’re not Jameis’s fault yet all that gets talked about over and over is him. Again hate him or love him I don’t care but how people can blatantly ignore that OJ Howard was HORRIBLE in every aspect of the game and was clearly the worst player on the field for either team and ignore Dotson who was almost as bad is just ridiculous. I mean this is a team game and look at this way, our top weapon on offense was basically not playing cause he was sick, so then ok our second weapon pretty everyone would agree is OJ who was God awful. So Evans was useless, OJ was HORRIBLE, Dotson sucked out loud, Barber was fairly crappy as well and Godwin was ok. So again for a moment forget the name of the QB and ask considering those FACTS above how did you expect our offense to perform? This is the kind of stuff that should not just piss off “Jameis fans” but everyone cause it is not telling the whole accurate story. This has been going on for Jameis’s entire career, everyone just ignores all the other crap that is wrong and blames him. The fact is if he leaves and nothing else changes around here in regards to others playing like crap the results will not change. How about we start holding EVERYONE accountable not just the QB regardless of what his name is. The names are irrelevant the performance, or lack of, is what matters and to often when someone FLAT SUCKS we blame one person for basically no reason. Did Jameis make one Horrible decision absolutely, and I posted that about a minute after it happened on these boards. But you know what I also yelled catch the ball, finish your block, hold the ball, somebody get open through out the game cause most of them on offense were horrible yet the lazy media just likes to blame one person. Like I said it is lazy, weak and frankly what is wrong with this not everyone is held to the same standard cause everyone knows it doesn’t matter how I play the only person that’s going to get any heat is the QB. IT MAKES ME SICK THAT THESE GUYS CAN SUCK AND THEY SKATE THROUGH UNSCATHED. OJ was a first round pick and he was the worst player on the field THE WORST!
September 12th, 2019 at 8:25 am
NDog. You missed your calling in writing science fiction books.
September 12th, 2019 at 8:26 am
Jameis is the greatest QB in Bucs history? Forget about Doug Williams? Young? And such. That is like saying Mons Venus is the best restaurant in Tampa Bay. He owns some stat records, good and bad, but some QB’s here have won SB’s and awards. He might be the most notorious…but the best? No. His career is ongoing, and he could be. His career is in progress. But he has done nothing of significant substance so far….only a few entries in a record book of a team known for failure, but for one shinning hour.
September 12th, 2019 at 8:27 am
Your butt buddy was the worst player on the field and ALL 16 fields across the league last week. 7.3 QBR two pic sixes and another pickoff. He should have also had two more. And don’t forget the dumb arse intentional grounding.
September 12th, 2019 at 8:27 am
^^^ndog
September 12th, 2019 at 8:34 am
See Pitts you are exactly why they write what they write, they pander the the weak minded and you are their target audience.
September 12th, 2019 at 10:08 am
“See this is what should bother everyone. People clearly acknowledge that two of the three picks we’re not Jameis’s fault yet all that gets talked about over and over is him”
He threw bad picks…always does. You are the one rushing to his defense ( again)
#STFU
September 12th, 2019 at 10:19 am
So Jmarkbuc to be clear you are saying the first pick did not hit OJ in the hands and Arains is flat out lying about Barber running to far in his route, causing the ball to look inaccurate? Is that what you are saying to be crystal clear?
September 12th, 2019 at 10:56 am
So Doug Williams threw the same number of interceptions as he did TDS, and had the lowest completion percentage in franchise, if not league history, is the player some people want to hold up as the standard for Jameis to aim for? Some people obviously are not old enough to have actually witnessed the aggravation and frustration of a QB who challenged his receivers to catch the ball. The Bucs would have won several league championships back then if they had a QB who could complete 50% of their passes. Doug Williams was a great Redskin. With the Bucs it was all velocity. Accuracy and touch?….not so much.
September 12th, 2019 at 11:33 am
Jeff George. Vinny Testaverde. Jameis Winston? Yeah million dollar arms and ten cent heads. Hand the ball off 40 times. Please.
September 12th, 2019 at 11:58 am
Ndog.
Agree. Bucs fans will watch JW3 win a super bowl….wearing a different uniform.
September 12th, 2019 at 12:07 pm
he very well may win a super bowl by holding a clipboard
September 12th, 2019 at 12:36 pm
or as a backup qb….(btw, thanks for correcting me Pete)