Jameis One Of The Best, But…

July 31st, 2019

Strong stat, with a catch.

Man, this sure explains why the Bucs give the very public impression they stand by America’s Quarterback, Pro Bowler Jameis Winston.

It seems, per “Football Outsiders 2019 Almanac,” Jameis is the second-best quarterback (Matty Ice of the Dixie Chicks leads the pack) in the NFL per an important statistic. But there is a speed bump to this stat.

Coming by way of jet-flyin’, kiss–stealin‘, data-analyzin’, Bucs-film-studyin’, limousine-ridin’ Thomas Bassinger of the Tampa Bay Times, Bassinger notes the august football annual by Joe’s favorite gaggle of stat guys has Jameis as one of the top quarterbacks in the NFL at moving the sticks.

Almost 40 percent of his passes have resulted in a first down. Since 2015, only Matt Ryan has a higher rate.

That is a fantastic number. And honestly, isn’t that what you want from your quarterback? Move the ball? First downs?

But here is where the catch rears its ugly head. What derails Jameis (and the Bucs) from scoring points, despite how Jameis can move the football up and down the field is — all together now — turnovers.

So you can see why the Bucs want Jameis fixed. You can see why Bucco Bruce Arians came out of retirement.

Cut down on a few of those turnovers and those drives end up in points.

45 Responses to “Jameis One Of The Best, But…”

  1. D-Rome Says:

    That is a fantastic number. And honestly, isn’t that what you want from your quarterback? Move the ball? First downs?

    Honestly what I want from my quaterback is someone that doesn’t:

    1. Fumble the football
    2. Pass to the other team
    3. Make wild throws
    4. Throw into tight windows
    5. Overthrow receivers on the deep ball

  2. Kalind Says:

    He’s fine. The turnovers will drop if they can run and play with a lead occasionally.

  3. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    Put a team around him…..how about a running game, a defense & a kicker for starters. It’s far too easy to blame the Quarterback for all of the team’s woes.

  4. Kobe Faker Says:

    “JW3 still doest get it

    JW went headon to tackle MJ Stwart after a ROJO fumbled 30 yards downfield in practice???

    Why? What the hell is he thinking?

    This is why Kobe has stated repeatedly it will take 2-3 more years to click on because again he still is not thinking on the field

    highschool impulse

    No one is a bigger fan of JW3 than Kobe Faker

    He is still behind in his mental and emotional awareness to be elite QB”

    Kobe Faker

  5. WestChap Says:

    JW is the reigning BUT quarterback. Bad QBs are just depressing; great QBs are rare. Yet nothing in football is more frustrating than a BUT QB… one who has a positive for every negative, a con for every pro and a weakness for every strength. Yes, JW is very talented BUT…

  6. DB55 Says:

    Let’s just remember last 6 games he threw minimal ints and they still couldn’t win so…….

  7. Slugglife Says:

    I’m with you here alone. WTF was Jameis trying to tackle somebody in practice for?

    Hope BA jumped in his a$$.

  8. Buccaroo Says:

    Seriously? are people just realizing this? When you average 25 turnovers a season along with a weak defense you’re gonna lose way more than you win. Wow, some people are always late to the party.

  9. Joe Says:

    This is why Kobe has stated repeatedly it will take 2-3 more years to click on

    You may not be far off.

    Let’s just remember last 6 games he threw minimal ints and they still couldn’t win so…

    Tom Brady would have struggled to win games with that sh!t defense of the Bucs. And that’s not hyperbole. How can any quarterback win games when the defense rolls over time and again? You pretty much have to score on the final play of the game, provided you can be within one score.

    Whoever was responsible for agreeing to hire Mike Smith (and Lovie Smith) should be taken outside and alley-beaten with a chain.

    To bring Mike Smith back after 2017 is the entire organization’s fault. Dirk Koetter right up to the Glazers.

  10. jjbucfan Says:

    No problem with James doing that. He would do it in a game, you do it in practice. It sets an example for the rest of the team. Having said that, please don’t do it again. Also RoJo, please learn that lesson now and hold onto the ball.

  11. Don_RyJo(e) Says:

    I think Jameis’ short memory might be his biggest problem. In the thick of a game, it can help him because he can miss a throw or get picked off and then bounce back. But over the course of a season, his short memory seems to prevent him from learning from his mistakes. Sure, he’ll get his sh(*)t together the game immediately following a meltdown. Maybe he’ll even cut down on turnovers and play responsible ball for a series of games. But its like he’s an alcoholic that gets sober just long enough to think he doesn’t have a problem and then hits up the pub again. Every. Single. Season.

  12. Ndog Says:

    Yep every QB is a finished product at the age of 25. CUT HIM NOW CUT HIM NOW! Let’s ride with Gabbett he is the FUTURE!!!

  13. Pittsshore Says:

    Another captain obvious article. I have finally found out the career of another overall first round pick that mirrors JW’s career, although with less turnovers. It is Tim Couch. The similarities will blow your mind. Couch even lasted 5 years with the Browns before being benched after a handful of games in his fifth year. And of course some dumb arse team took a chance of picking him up after the abrowns let him go. He is Tim Couch.

  14. Kobe Faker Says:

    “The Don

    great post…u must be not from around here

    this short memory, lapse of judgment, lack of focus, consistency

    is a personality flaw. its not onfield coaching but JW3 really needs a professional in the mental coach …physicist?”

    Kobe life coach Faker

  15. Joe Says:

    Another captain obvious article.

    So, you knew all along about this stat? Right.

  16. Don_RyJo(e) Says:

    @Kobe Faker

    Thanks for the sorta-kinda complement. I’m actually a lifelong Tampa Bay native and 2nd-generation Bucs fan. And I think you need to re-read what I said because I was saying the same exact thing you’re saying.

  17. Don_RyJo(e) Says:

    @Kobe Faker

    You know, except more eloquently.

  18. Slugglife Says:


    Yeah, great point. Let your QB risk injury in training camp. Genius idea.

    While we’re at it, let’s let him ditch the red or green jersey in practice and let him get blindside sacked by Kong Suh. I mean itd happen in a game right?

    Dumbest thing I’ve read all day.

  19. Slugglife Says:

    Let’s just agree that maybe, just maybe in a game we want him to tackle somebody if need be. But not in FN practice. Unless he’s taking part in Oklahoma drills, I’m pretty sure tackling isn’t something we need him to do.

  20. Alanbucsfan Says:

    Jameis, and rest of teammates from past couple of years, have not been coached to win.
    That will change this year.

  21. Greg Says:

    That’s a really big butt there Joe Kardashian!

  22. Raceto10 Says:

    Everyone who has not played to potential under the previous trashy coaching staff will take their game up a notch including winston. Will the interceptions stop who knows until the season starts but at least we have a coaching staff working to limit his turnovers the right way

  23. jmarkbuc Says:


    The ” He’s only X years old argument” has lost it’s relevance and efficacy

  24. Ndog Says:

    Like I said CUT HIM NOW, CUT HIM NOW, every player was HOF worthy going into their 5th year. I mean look a Brees, Manning, Luck, Brady all of them had way less TOs than Jameis after 4 years! Oh wait is that not true?

    WHO CARES, CUT HIM NOW, CUT HIM NOW!!! Who needs defense, a running game or a kicker, we should have a QB that throws for 5,000 yards, leads the team in rushing average, and never turns the ball over, after all QBs like that are available all over the place.

    Sooooooo CUT HIM NOW, CUT HIM NOW!

  25. Dapostman Says:

    Once again Pittsshore proves he’s the Cliff Claven of Joebucsfan.

  26. Go Bucs 72 Says:

    Jameis definitely needs to cut down on the foolishness and turnovers but he’s not going anywhere, he’s going to get franchised next season and once the new CBA comes out he’s going to get extended. Fact. So suck it you whining Haters. GO BUCS!!

  27. TexBuc Says:

    I remember when this town ran Steve Young out of town even celebrated the Bucs got a few drafts picks in return.

    Drew Brees was run out of San Diego and did not flourish until Sean Payton.

    I remember BA as OC taking the Browns to the playoffs with a QB named Tim Couch.

    Just some random thoughts.

  28. Couch Fan Says:

    i dont know what the stats are but IMO what has been a bigger detriment to this offense than turnovers is the lack of execution in the Red Zone. We move the ball fine between the 20s but we have to settle for FG attempts way to often, and of course we know how bad our kickers have been.

  29. RustyRhinos Says:

    “And honestly, isn’t that what you want from your quarterback? Move the ball? First downs?”

    Can we not “want” wins too? Or expect them with an “elite” “franchise QB”? Or is that to much to expect?

  30. RustyRhinos Says:

    TBD, “It’s far too easy to blame the Quarterback for all of the team’s woes.” So when and if we do end up paying Winston 25+ million a season. And that contract causes us to not keep our home grown good players and not be able to improve our team in FA, Due to that contract. Will this also be washed off with the same old same old. “It’s far too easy to blame the Quarterback for all of the team’s woes.”?
    Show me! Do not tell me, Show me!
    Go Bucs!

  31. Buc4evr Says:

    I just want him to score in the red zone. This offense is great until it gets to the red zone.

  32. Morgus the Magnificent Says:

    Does that stat count first downs for the other team?

  33. jmarkbuc Says:


    He doesn’t have to be HOF worthy.

  34. Stanglassman Says:

    Tex-The Young trade should be a lesson to the Bucs ‘fans’ trying to run JW3 out of town. Young was 0-7 as a starter on bad Bucs team. Although they had a better running game and defense than the Bucs have fielded lately. To put it in historical perspective the Bucs got two 2nd rounders (and cash money in Colverhouse’s pockets) for a backup Qb after they just drafted Vinny. At the time Young was looking worse in preseason games than Steve Deberg. I loved watching Young play football but he got sent to amazing system that was perfect for his skill set.

  35. BA FAN Says:

    Let’s put it this way. If Tom Brady was our QB last year he would not have been as good dodging sacks and pressures as Jameis and our OL kept letting him get clobbered how many first downs would he get? And down in the Red Zone with no running threat and the other team could load up the end zone with extra DBs and Safeties do you think he’d have the same rate of TDs? And if his defense was as porous as ours last year allowing other teams to get a big lead like the Bears got, do you think Brady’s interceptions wouldn’t have gone up as he had to take every chance he could to save the game. Do you even think he would have even made the playoffs last year? The answer is no to most of those questions above, yet you Jameis haters are just like the Steve Young haters who cheered when he was traded and then had to watch him get the last laugh at them when he became a Super Bowl winner and a Franchise QB for the 49ers! You know Brees only is a year or two away from retirement. If we don’t get Jameis under contract at the end of this year, just watch the Saints pick up Jameis and beat our Bucs twice each year til he gets so many Super Bowl rings he retires and goes into the HOF as a Saint! You better be cheering for BA to win at least ten games this year with Jameis!!!

  36. wausa Says:

    The turnovers have more to do with the Bucss having no running game and being behind because of putrid defense.

    JoeBucs Fan do the fans on here a favor and show Jameis stats on 3rd and less than 5 compared to 3rd and more than 7.

    I am sure most QB’s have worst stats on 3rd and long, but with Jamies is startling the difference.

  37. Bird Says:

    Don’t even respond to Ndog anymore. Never dog.

    He is worse then tplax
    I would rather read tplax replay comments.
    What a waste of time
    Acting like a child again.

    Unless you absolutely worship and obsess about his favorite player / his opinion you are wrong.
    What’s funny is 95 % of people on here want Jameis to succeed. Cause that means the Bucs are balling again and have a chance at playoffs.
    Most are just tired of all the excuses. He is part of the problem just like offense line / defense in past and lack of run game.

    I honestly think that arians was the perfect hire for Jameis
    Jameis can throw for 5,000 yards this year.
    No one wants to have to draft another qb with first pick.

  38. Bird Says:

    BA fan

    Really? Brady gets the ball out of his hands quickly.
    He would lick his chops with all of our receivers and tight end. He is the king of short passes. Defenses would fear the pass which would open up the run. Can’t stack the box against Brady. He would Walt there lunch. His accuracy is filthy.
    Honestly , He wouldn’t need a real running game

    Has Brady benefited from belicheat. Absolutely .
    But give me a break this team would be no different last year with Brady.

  39. BoltIsle Says:

    Cut him now; Tim Couch comparisons.
    If not the dumbest, this has to be one of the dumbest fan bases in the NFL.

  40. BA FAN Says:

    Yes Bird Brady gets the ball out quick but last year Koetter would have been calling his plays and it would not have been a Westcoast Offense and Brady would have to throw a lot of long balls and he would have been crushed by how fast DTs were running right by Benenoch. Brady would not get to choose the plays either.

  41. BuccoDav Says:

    Put a team around him…..how about a running game, a defense & a kicker for starters…

    I thought we drafted “the most pro ready QB in years” so that we didn’t need to have all pros surrounding him…
    Hell. We could have kept Glennon and surrounded him with all pros and won.

  42. Clay Travis Says:

    My friend, crap, I mean, friendS, as in plural, yes, more than one, my friends, now that the Bucs need to run JAY-MISS out of town, and get a QB that will be WORSE on 3rd down and under pressure because “stats are for losers” and if we can get a QB that will be worse than JAY-MISS in those scenarios, we will obviously win more games!!!!!

    WE will WIN for WE are LEGION!!!!

  43. BucsBandit Says:

    I standby my ‘theory’ that Winston struggles because he has a problem reading defenses and matchups quickly and therefore holds onto the ball and takes too long to make a decision, which often leads to inaccurate throws and turnovers.

    When you’ve got a Top 5 WR stud like Mike Evans who can beat anyone 1-on-1 for the ball, it’s not hard to make completions throwing the ball to him.

    As Bird importantly mentioned above, Brady is Brady because he gets rid of the ball quickly. He’s not sitting back in the pocket with happy feet and surveying the field to figure things out like Winston constantly does. He trusts his routes & WRs and once he can make a quick glance analysis he knows if they’ll be open on their route or not.

  44. Red86 Says:

    We also missing the fact that penalties killed too many drives.

  45. TexBuc Says:

    A 4 vertical offense is a DOWN the field offense. The QB has to WAIT for downfield routes to develop to make the reads as HIS OC wants it.