“The Perfect Fit”

June 7th, 2019

Football pairing. (Photo courtesy of Buccaneers.com.)

Until the ball is in the air after the season kicks off, this will be a constant theme.

Can Bucs coach Bucco Bruce Arians, the quarterback whisperer, get America’s Quarterback, Pro Bowler Jameis Winston, back on track to NFL stardom?

Arians’ resume with quarterbacks is long and rich and he really has no failures. Will Jameis be added to Arians’ long list top-shelf signal-callers, or will Jameis be Arians’ first (and final?) speed bump?

The gang at “Good Morning Football,” seen weekdays on NFL Network, tackled this very subject.

Former NFL wide receiver and co-host Nate Burleson called Arians “The perfect fit” to help Jameis. Feel free to find out why in the NFL Network video below.

Joe will just say this: Joe is willing to lay (some) cash that Jameis returns next season.

111 Responses to ““The Perfect Fit””

  1. TexBuc Says:

    In Bruce I trust.

  2. TiredOfLosingGoBucs Says:

    Jameis will be fine… like i been saying all offseason.. if we fix the defense to at least average/above average we will be in the playoffs and thats a FACT not an opinion

  3. Bruce Blahak Says:

    Whoa! Let’s see how the season goes. Bucs aren’t tied to bringing him back. It’s been a failure so far. Can’t dump cash on an average QB…

  4. Pete I Says:

    The ” Best ” QB in Buccaneers history is not even on track to make the Ring of Honor at Ray Jay.

    Nor a second contract.

    Never gamble with your money Joe, only your life!

    Winston – Arians we shall see.

  5. TiredOfLosingGoBucs Says:

    Hey @pete dude is already the best qb bucs have ever had and thats a FACT… he is only 24 and will break every record for franchise this season get your head out the gutter

  6. Eastsidebuc Says:

    And the church said AMEN!!!!

  7. GetOverIt Says:

    Jameis isn’t gonna stop throwing picks or fumbling. He does a lot of other great things, but that stuff costs games. I just don’t see him changing much at this point. We’re drafting a QB next year, cuz you can’t drop 30 million on a turnover machine.

  8. JimmyJack Says:

    How about what Brett Farve did when he went to GB with better coaching? Look at what happened when Drew Bress hooked up with Payton. Our own Steve Young went to a superior system and thrived.

    This is all proof on how much of a impact coaching can have on QB. Bruce even has a previous example with what he did for Carson Palmer.
    This gonna be fun boys!!!

    GO BUCS!!!!!

  9. Magadude Says:

    Does anyone who understands business and ticket buying fan support reallly think this community will support having Winston back next year? They say winning cures all. True in many regards. But no, that doesn’t overcome being millstone around the neck of the team. Winston has no real endorsements, the Bucs are a laughing stock, his lack of leadership is a joke around the country, and he’s a turnover machine. This season is one last chance to satisfy those left who think Winston is “all that” that he’s not worthy of it. Winston has already dug his Tampa Bay Buccaneers grave. He has to convince ALL that not only has he climbed out of it with his play on the field, that his liability to this team and his image is completely turned. That is a tall order.

    Some here already act like he’s Jameis the Victim, vice a guy who had it all and threw it away. Yes, Jameis the victim accused by a harlet (when she was just driving her Uber), taimted by his team mate Fitz who tore it up for the first games while he was suspended, hurting his team (and family, friends, etc) on the sidelines; and now DJax, who Pearl Harbored poor Winston and his play.

    Yes, Winston is already done I think. Arians get Winston back on track to NFL stardom? Not sure he was ever was on that track to start with–but he was sure handed every opportunity and chance to succeed. And blew all of them.

    My biggest fear is that he gets injured and JL talks the Bucs into giving him another year. Me, I hope he stays healthy and scores every time he touches the ball. I hope he wins every game. And I hope he’s gone at the end of the year.

  10. Buccernutter Says:

    I was trying to figure out why your take was so dumb maga but I figured it out that last sentence. You’re biased.

    It’s been three years since his incident with absolutely no blemishes since.

    Consistency as a starter and the ability to stay healthy under arians will make your presence disappear.

    Book it.

  11. JimmyJack Says:

    Magadude you are permantly banned from the bandwagon. That’s what happens when you hope against the betterment of the team.

    You may still cheer alone in the corner if you wish.

  12. Phillybuc Says:

    If BA sees something in JW and immediately declares him our QB, I’ll take him at his word based on his track record. Hope JW has a break out year.

  13. 813bucboi Says:

    gotta trust BA!!!!!

    GO BUCS!!!!

  14. Magadude Says:

    Oh, I want the team to be better. And it is guys like Buccernutter and JimmyJack who think that’s only possible with Winston. And THAT, is where opinion’s differ. You can hardly say it’s bias when after four years he’s arguably regressed. No blemishes in years you say? What about last year when he lied to his team, fans, organization, and probably his family. His negative impact “Pearl Harbored” the team form the first game last season. The probably wiht some of you is you think to want the best for the Bucs means Winston has to stay. Not bias on my part…I’ve seen enough. Sound judgement.

  15. AlteredEgo Says: Your comment is awaiting moderation. Says:

    I am afraid maga is closer to the truth than Buc fans want to admit….BA has been brought in as the objective arbiter and trust me he’ll not finish his NFL career with Jameis if he thinks Jameis after 5 seasons as a starter has reached his ceiling as a NFL QB…get out of the 813 and Jameis is thought of as a scourge

  16. DaytonaBryan Says:

    Hey MagaRUDE….. Thanks for the positive energy!

  17. Todd Says:


    “Me, I hope he stays healthy and scores every time he touches the ball. I hope he wins every game. And I hope he’s gone at the end of the year.”

    MD, I appreciate quality writing. I really do. You are a very good writer. Thanks for that. Not many of those in here.

    That said, logic is not your gift.

    “I hope Jameis goes undefeated, is wins the Super Bowl and wind MVP! Then we can finally jettison him with a big, hearty SO THERE!” (Uber driver’s everywhere golf clap.)

    Whatever you say, MD…whatever you say.

    2 + 2 = 5 in MD-land.

    Did you teach Common Core?

  18. Todd Says:

    Scratch the ‘Is” in front of “wins”. Happens.

  19. Todd Says:

    Good Lord…wins vs. wind.

  20. JimmyJack Says:

    You said it. You hope Winston does great and you hope we get rid of a great QB. Your hopes are in direct conflict with the consensus hopes of the bandwagon. You are banned dude. Permanently.

    Your banning has nothing to do with opinions or bias. You said you wanted a perfect QB to be cut from our roster. Now your banned. Please be kind to stay out of my bar on Sundays you will be removed.

    I wouldn’t go anywhere near NOSBOS’s…….they are far less welcoming.

  21. Buccernutter Says:

    Nobody said winning is only possible with Winston. Why create your own narrative? That’s illogical, like Todd said.

    He’s arguably regressed? I guess we should ignore all those influences. Like the running game and defense had regressed. And coaching.

    Lied to the team? Seems like nobody ever proved anything in that case. Not sure anyone could suggest he lied and be accurate. You’re just spewing heresy.

    Opinion, sure. But certainly not logical, sound judgement.

    All so ironic with a maga screen name.

  22. JA Says:


    With a name like that you obviously are a big supporter of someone that has been accused of much worse.
    Your hypocritical, pugnacious attitude is … never mind …
    Another empty skull. Can’t believe I’ve wasted 90 seconds of my life to respond to such a padlocked mind.
    I’m done …

  23. LakeLand Says:

    Yuc fans will be calling BA

    BS before midseason

    5-11 at best

  24. BucEmUp Says:

    Im teling yall, our bucs are going to be right in it for a suoerbowl run this season. Bruce is the man!

  25. Figures Says:

    Whatever happens Winston will either get all the praise if things go well and absolutely ZERO blame if things go bad.

    FSU nut huggers.

    If Winston went to UF these same FSU fans would be singing a totally different tune. Bunch of hypocritical morons.

  26. Figures Says:


    Dude seriously just shut TF up with that BS.
    I get being optimistic but being an absolute idiot is on another level.

    This is why every year some of you are all pissed off at the world with thinking a 5-11 team is Super Bowl bound the next season.

    Everyday I think I’ve read the most idiotic post ever and then someone storms in saying “what about me” and raises the bar.

  27. AwShbucs Says:


    You gotta get the stain of the past 4 coaches out of your mind.

    BA is a completely different breed of cat. Legendary coaches like Tom Moore stake their reputation asserting that hes the man to right the ship.

    I’d called out the Koetter and Smith regime out for the frauds they were half way through 2017 and wanted them gone asap. And although I wasnt stoked about Licht being retained. I recognize that getting Arains and Bowles was worth it.

    I’m optimistic for the first time in almost 2 years. We finally have size, speed and skill in the secondary as well as a true beast of a modern age middle linebacker with charisma to spare.

    This draft class is easily the best I’ve felt about a Licht draft since 2015. And could very well end being a Saints 2017 type of crop that turns us into contenders sooner rather than later.

    BA will win you over bro. So much so you’ll change your name back to LakelandBuc. Go Bucs.

  28. JimmyJack Says:


  29. Buc1987 Says:

    Figures…..I see more fans bashing Winston than supporting him…which to me is sad. Don’t know what you’re looking at….

    Then again to you it’s only FSU nut huggers that support Winston….

    You sound like a dummy.

    Are you a dummy?

  30. Buc4evr Says:

    I think Bruce said that all Jameis needs is a running game. Hopefully, we can fix the right side of the o-line and RoJo will actually contribute this season…. this will help Jameis get to the next level more than anything else.

  31. Race to 10 Says:

    Wouldn’t be awesome if as a fan base we got that Winston from his freshman year. Even if for one season he was lights out. If not I would love to see how BA and the coaching handles inaccurate games like he had last year. Hoping he balls out just to laugh at the fake fans who hate him and want him gone

  32. GoBuxFla Says:

    6-10 Jameis is gone. You can not teach accuracy, you either have that skill or you don’t and Winston has yet in 6 years of big league football (FSU+Bucs) to demonstrate that he can CONSISTENTLY throw the mid-range or deep ball with any accuracy. If you can’t throw the deep curls, deep crossing patterns, or post accurately in an Arians’ offense, you will be seated.

  33. AlteredEgo Says:

    Stop comparing Manning and Farve’s INT’s to Jameis’s…they go down in the books as the same but in many ways they are different. Why is it Jameis still has the same questions about his game today as he did before the draft ? All he has done is amass a large body of work filled with question marks ,while there have been younger QB’s come out and show more promise and progress….the light is going to have to come on or Jameis is out !

  34. Alvin Scissors Harper Says:

    Joe, when you say you want to lay some cash that Jay Miss returns, do you mean as a backup wearing a visor and holding a clipboard?

  35. Dapostman Says:

    Winston’s Last 6 1/2 games tell the story. The best 6 game stretch of his career. Only the Winston Derangement Syndrome simpletons can not spot a trend in a players career. Do you haters understand that QB’s like fine wine get better with age? Where RB’s may start to lose it at a certain age the same can not be said of QB’s. Get a clue. The worst thing that can happen is if Winston leaves and becomes a true star QB and we are stuck with another young guy. Oh and please don’t talk in absolutes where some clown will say Winston will never win. You don’t know anything.

    278 pass yards a game

    26 rush yards a game

    13 TD passes

    2 REAL Int

    64% competition %

    All these are improvements across the board.

  36. TexBuc Says:

    Let the season play out with our new coaching staff and then some of these arguments can be debated.

  37. webster Says:

    All you jameis has the most turnovers crowd

    Andrew luck before he started having injuries for two years led the league in turnovers since he came into league up until the injuries (3-4 years). That means from 2012-2015 luck had the most turnovers prior to injuries. In 2014-2015, he had 32 turnovers in 21 games. Do you think Luck sucks or dumb, or doesnt get it, will never get it etc or are all those negative comments only reserved for black qbs taking #1 overall?



  38. Magadude Says:

    JA…oh, so you are suggesting that has something to do with “MAGA” as in politics. Not even close. As you said “you obviously”…I return that “you obviously” jump to baseless conclusions. Are you that stupid in the real world?

    JimmyJack…oh, declare me off your train? GTFO. LOL.

    Yes, regressed. He sat the bench the beginning of the season because of his poor character, and got benched again because of his poor play. He’s been dissed at team captain (rightfully so). Meanwhile, QBs for Bears, Titans, Texans, Browns…all looking pretty good.

    Buccernutter…It was incorrectly stated that I “hope against the betterment of the team” and clarified that “I wanted a perfect QB” to get cut. A millstone in society that is proven not to be leader year after year, and tha has been suspended after the NFL found he did what was allleged. Yes, it was proven. Not in a court of law but clearly enough to get the warning if that happens again, good chance he’s done for good. Winning doesn’t erase the fact the man shouldn’t be around women and children–in the eyes of many. Winston isn’t worth the trouble.

    You guys should get over your man crush on Winston and look at reality. I’m a Bucs fan, not a Winston fan.

  39. AlteredEgo Says: Your comment is awaiting moderation. Says:

    Dapostman Says:
    June 7th, 2019 at 6:13 pm
    Winston’s Last 6 1/2 games tell the story.
    yeah folks have said that same thing about 2017 & 2018

  40. NOSBOS Says:

    JimmyJack that 4:13 post was the post of day.

  41. Magadude Says:

    Todd, I get what you mean. You don’t have to fix spelling errors.

  42. SC Bucs Fan Says:

    JW is like Donovan Smith. The fans want him gone and don’t think he’s worth the money; but who’s going to replace him when he’s gone? Until there is a better option you keep the best players you have.

  43. Magadude Says:

    Just specially for Bucnutter and JA, who both leap to conclusions based on NOTHING to justify it. Yet call me a hypocrit, with a padlock mind, etc. You two are pretty sad. So just for you:
    Maga….regards my client portfolio and what I’m called in business circles because of who I deal with:
    Microsoft, Apple, Google and Amazon

    Do you want me to actually show you the acronym or are you so biased (or just plain stupid) it won’t matter?

  44. Magadude Says:

    Donovan Smith is not good either, and like Winston, it’s no emergency to get rid of him. But he too has really cut it. Winston is here now because he was on the roster at the beginning of the season and counts against the cap. They’ve already had to pay him. So like that last shot of radiation, may not do any good, but some can hope.

  45. Ndog Says:

    Keep it up Pete jI ust keep on digging that hole.

  46. JA Says:

    Now why wouldn’t I associate Magadude with the acronym?
    It’s ubiquitous presence is hard to ignore.
    You got lucky …

    What would you think if I called myself Nazidude?
    That I was a professor of German history from 1923-1945?
    Or dude anything?

    Please …

  47. Figures Says:

    ^^^^^ the king of nut hugging arrives to tell us Winston is better than Brady and all that have come before him.

  48. Figures Says:

    And who actually believes Winston is “elite”

  49. JA Says:


    Since I went into moderation maybe I can slip this one in …
    I’m sorry if I don’t associate the term “dude” on any professional level.
    When I think “dude” Jeffrey Lebowski comes to mind, not a “businessman.”
    You sound like a true Bucs fan. The only reason you want our quarterback to remain healthy is to have poor performances so he will be gone.
    Some fan you are … “dude!”
    More to come if I ever escape the thralls of moderation …

  50. Defense Rules Says:

    I still don’t get it. What started off as a fairly interesting supposition … ‘Is BA the perfect fit to take Jameis to the next level?’ … rather quickly turned into a peeing contest between several JBFers. Used to be that folks on JBF.com had a right to state their opinion … pro or con on an ‘issue’ … without figuratively being attacked by others who don’t share their opinion.

    Have you all noticed yet that quite a few commenters who used to be considered ‘regulars’ to JBF.com have moved on and don’t bother commenting any more? Poking fun at & teasing each other is one thing (downright fun actually), but danged, do it with some civility … please.

    This season holds a LOT of promise IMO, and I’ve been a Bucs fan since 1982. But not everyone is gonna share that optimism for a whole myriad of reasons. That’s OK, because come this Fall, the Bucs’ PERFORMANCES ON THE FIELD will either validate that optimism or throw it into yet another trash-heap. But until that happens, there’s still a LOT to be enthusiastic about. This new coaching staff from top-to-bottom for one thing. How about let’s see what they can do BEFORE we banish them to the desert to join previous years’ scapegoats.

  51. JA Says:

    This is no fun. Can’t even have a decent argument with a “dude” if all points of view are whisked away into moderation!

  52. Dapostman Says:

    @Altered Ego, why are you so Obtuse. Winston’s ending of season 2018 was much better than his 2017 ending. Just look at the turnovers. All you guys have are talking points about Winston. The facts speak for themselves. Winston in trending up and there is nothing you can do about it except jump on the bandwagon. You and the others with Winston Derangement Syndrome will be holed up somewhere downing gallon after gallon of Ben & Jerry’s ice cream and gaining 50 lbs wondering how you could be so wrong. Gonna be fun watching you simpletons who can’t see the forest through the trees.

  53. JimmyJack Says:

    Figures Winston has elite potential.

  54. Asdf Says:

    The way some fans blindly support Jameis on this site cracks me up.

    It’s almost like they’re the abused spouse in an abusive relationship. Their significant other is great sometimes and then abuses them and yet they continue to make up excuses for why they should stick in the relationship….

    This is 100% a prove it year for Jameis. He needs to be elite or else you draft someone you think will be elite. TB has had such terrible QB play for so long I think this fan base doesn’t even realize what it looks like anymore. And yes passing stats in today’s NFL are for losers. Jameis has put up great stats in a lot of losing efforts. Yes some of those you could blame of the defense, but the leader of the offense needs to be 1/ prevent costly turnovers that put more pressure on that defense and 2/ sustain drives to keep that defense off the field

  55. Magadude Says:

    @DaPostmasn…Cherry picking a bit aren’t you? You say “Winston’s Last 6 1/2 games tell the story. The best 6 game stretch of his career. Only the Winston Derangement Syndrome simpletons can not spot a trend in a players career. Do you haters understand that QB’s like fine wine get better with age?” You mean like Fitz? Or do they just kinda hang around hot and cold (like Fitz…and like Winston).

    Yeah, 6.5 games is the magic bean huh? Not 8.5, for that would not tell the story you want to put out there. You forget his freshman year in college and first start. Now THAT is the ops research algorithm to use. Just ask Joe who perhaps seemed to think that was enough to demonstrate he’s an accurate passer. So yes, looking at his first start in college and his last 6.5 games, and surely he’s the man. Of course, he had those flashes in various quarters and games over four years. The rest of the work is just not to be considered. Not.

    I like to look at the whole thing. First there is Winston by himself. Good skill, wants to win, athletic, but a gunslinger, risk taker, and poor decision maker too often. Yes, lack of running game or O line COULD be a factor. Must be considered. Playing from behind? Yes, a factor, but not a pass. Then let’s take his play all four years, and look at trends ON the field. Kind of flat really. He trended up a few years ago but then he DID get benched for his Eli Manning impression last year. Oh, but Eli has several SB rings… Let’s consider he was first overall pick, which means he’s supposed to be the face of the franchise, the leaer of the team, certainly a Captain. And he’s lost all of that…ALL on him. ALL of it on him.

    So total play over four seasons, on the field: Probably a B- or C+, or better put, about the best of the bottom third of NFL starters. Hmmm. Nothing to throw $120M at. Oh yeah, what puts it over the top: Off the field, and in his intended role for the Glazer machine. An F. And he gets an F only because they don’t give our Gs.

  56. Asdf Says:

    Oh and I really hope Jameis has an epic year an proves his worth as a Franchise QB. That is by far the best / fastest path towards the Bucs being consistently relevant.

    That being said I’m a Bucs fan first and foremost and so if he can’t get it done then it’s time to move on. Simple as that

  57. Magadude Says:

    Asdf…you say “this is 100% a prove it year for Jameis. He needs to be elite or else you draft someone you think will be elite. TB has had such terrible QB play for so long I think this fan base doesn’t even realize what it looks like anymore.”

    2017, Hard Knocks, was a prove it year, right? Last year was WTF do we do with Winston because he’s a disgrace year. So this is the Double Secret Probation Prove it year…and I think he’s got to do more than be elite. I think he has to do the impossible. Bucs fans know what good QBs are. They also know they have yet to get one they can call the franchise guy. Free and Winston are just the latests disappointments. I think too many confuse being a Winston fan with being a Bucs fan.

  58. AlteredEgo Say: Your comment is awaiting moderation. Says:

    This is a great thread!

  59. Buc1987 Says:

    Magadude Says:

    “I think too many confuse being a Winston fan with being a Bucs fan.”

    I’m a HUGE Bucs fan since 87.

    Also a HUGE Winston fan too.

    I have no idea what your even talking about though…..

  60. Kobe Faker Says:

    “Kobe knows more about JW3 development than any one in this world

    JW3 is stll not ready

    Kobe has stated at least 3 years ago that JW3 switch will turn on/click when he is more like 27-28 years old

    the game has not slowed down enough yet. Why Kobe? JW3 strength is also his weakness. JW3 is still too emotional, hyper, overthinking. He is thinking too much and making it harder than it really is. He is making it too difficult instead of simplifying. Why is he coaching the backups in camp? FVK that. BA needs to limit JW decisions and make him disciplined, conservative and performing simple tasks and decisions…similar to what Mcvay is doing to Goff

    dont let him improvise and make a decision out of 5 choices. Not yet. He isnt ready yet.


    He was coached to run instead of walk. too much in his plate and too much decisions.

    JW3 needs to slow down. His huddle and command is still lacking.

    2 more years”

    Kobe “Jaboo whisperer” Faker

  61. Ndog Says:

    Figures Says:
    June 7th, 2019 at 7:07 pm
    ^^^^^ the king of nut hugging arrives to tell us Winston is better than Brady and all that have come before him.

    Again sir just blatant lies. I never said Jameis is better than Brady I just provided FACTS stating that Brady had more TOs than Jameis in his first 4 years starting. If you can’t accept the true, sorry fella sometimes the truth hurts, especially when it proves you wrong.

  62. Asdf Says:

    @magnadude…if the final contract of his rookie deal isn’t a prove year I don’t k ow how else to define it. I don’t agree that others were as firmly prove it years as this one.

    I do agree fans mixing up being a Bucs fan base Winston fan. 100% agree on that.

    Definitely don’t follow your “more than elite” comment. That’s ridiculous. If he puts up top numbers and takes the Bucs to the playoffs he will 1000% get resigned. You’re definitely way biased on that argument. It’s simply too hard to find good QBs these days..

  63. BucsBandit Says:

    I’ve got some cash to bet as well…


    Book it.

  64. BucsBandit Says:

    @Kobe – you’ve rarely been right about anything Bucs related. Yet you’re still referring to yourself in the 3rd Person like a total CLOWN. LOLZ.

  65. OneBuc55 Says:

    Smh, the hate is real…

    Jameis please silence these clowns once and for all…

  66. JimmyJack Says:

    Just a heads up y’all. Chirinos for the Rays has some very special stuff tonight.

    Hopefully his fastball can stay strong. He is 5 innings in. Amazing performance so far!!

  67. Ndog Says:

    Quick question for everyone. Please name the QB that has won with a bottom 5 defense, a bottom 5 running game and a bottom 5 kicking game? I’ll wait….

  68. Buccernutter Says:


    “Winston is here now because he was on the roster at the beginning of the season and counts against the cap”

    Yep that’s why he’s here. Lmao. That’s why Bruce is here too. 😂

    And no, maga, it was not proven. We’ll never truly know. Maybe Microsoft apple google or Amazon can help you figure out what is considered proof. Or maybe you’re just too dumb. I was certainly too dumb to realize what your maga stood for and instead perceived it as a word our president says everyday.

    If only Jameis had your head on his shoulders.

  69. OneBuc55 Says:

    N Dog the facts that you’ve provided repeatedly that prove Jameis is progressing at a normal pace for a young QB mean nothing to these trolls…

    Most of them never wanted him and had their minds set on hating him before he even played his first game… they’ll never see the positives because they’re too busy nitpicking him to death…

  70. JimmyJack Says:

    Chirinios gave up a hit in the sixth……weak grounder.

    He did have no-hit stuff.

    Just a update if anyone cares.

    Good news is we up 4-0 on Boston.

  71. JimmyJack Says:

    OneBuc……To be fair Winston has made his share of mistakes. Some of them have been pretty egregious and far from nitpicking.

  72. Magadude Says:

    Asdf siad: “Definitely don’t follow your “more than elite” comment. That’s ridiculous. If he puts up top numbers and takes the Bucs to the playoffs he will 1000% get resigned. You’re definitely way biased on that argument. It’s simply too hard to find good QBs these days..”

    Jameis has to be more than elite. He has to be the future of this franchise and accepted widely in the community again…like Wilson, Newton, Brady, Trubisky, Mayfield. He could have poor character and maybe make it in another position…not as the QB. Plain and simple.

  73. JimmyJack Says:

    Maga….What do you mean more then elite? If Winston lives up to potential and is elite that’s exactly what makes him a franchise QB. That’s how it works in the other 31 cities. The same standards apply here.

    As far as the community embracing him that comes with winning and you can’t be elite without winning……….Although I will warn you not to buy into community opinion. Thats how you fall in love with a retread like Lovie Smith…….Maybe even most important to consider is that community opinion is largely shaped by media. And a lot(probably most) of these media’s aren’t even Tampa Bay fans. They are yankee fans that merely cover the Bucs as a job. They dont care about what we care about.

    All that said this seems mute. You have already declared you want Winston gone after this year no matter what. Not even if he becomes Tampas own version of Joe Montana.

    I would like you to take that comment back please. Do this and we will lift your ban from the bandwagon. Fair?

  74. Ndog Says:

    Ndog Says:
    June 7th, 2019 at 8:32 pm
    Quick question for everyone. Please name the QB that has won with a bottom 5 defense, a bottom 5 running game and a bottom 5 kicking game? I’ll wait….

    Why has no one answered my question?

  75. OneBuc55 Says:

    Jimmy Jack I respect your opinion; the Uber incident was a bad look…but as far as on the field is concerned you can’t honestly say the Jameis has had much help since he arrived at just 21 years old…

    Just imagine being a young QB and realizing that you cant rely on your defense to make stops or your kicker to put points on the board if the offense stalls…Not to mention, the opposing defense knows you have to pass because you’re down 3 or 4 TDs at the half…that’s alot to deal imo; I don’t understand why his critics can’t see that…

  76. JimmyJack Says:

    BTW I listened to Tom Stroud’s little podcast today and gotta say that it made me wanna punch my own face. Nearly wrecked my truck for a second there.

    Maybe you are a big Gerald honk and loved it but I was never a big McCoy guy and found it nauseating.

  77. Ndog Says:

    OneBuc55 Says:
    June 7th, 2019 at 9:34 pm
    Jimmy Jack I respect your opinion; the Uber incident was a bad look…but as far as on the field is concerned you can’t honestly say the Jameis has had much help since he arrived at just 21 years old…

    Just imagine being a young QB and realizing that you cant rely on your defense to make stops or your kicker to put points on the board if the offense stalls…Not to mention, the opposing defense knows you have to pass because you’re down 3 or 4 TDs at the half…that’s alot to deal imo; I don’t understand why his critics can’t see that…

    That last question is a easy one. They don’t want to see it.

  78. JimmyJack Says:

    Ndog nobody’s gonna answer because we don’t care about none of them other QBs. We care about Tampas QB.

  79. Ndog Says:

    JimmyJack no you don’t answer cause you know the truth and by admitting that you realize how ridiculous you look saying “the only stats that matter are wins”, when are you asking him to be part of a winning team when that has LITERALLY NEVER HAPPENED with a bottom 5 running game a bottom 5 defense and a bottom 5 kicking game. Your asking for the impossible so sorry he hasn’t met your expectations.

  80. JimmyJack Says:

    55…….You are correct. And I don’t care about how bad Mike Smith’s defenses were.

    We got a new defense this year and our entire almost all our ST players and scheme will be different too(it’s what really makes me laugh when fools talk about lack of depth).

    Point is that the team around Winston is expected to play competent football around Winston for a change. If Winston is good enough to win this will be the year for him to finally do it!!

    All that being said his mistakes are in the past and they are real. Y’all obsess over the past if you want. I’ll worry more about 2019. TBH I was done with that last coach when we got embarrassing in Dallas in 2016.

    My bet is that he will and my bet is 10-6.

  81. JimmyJack Says:

    But Ndog the only stats that do matter are wins. That’s the football I grew up with.

    If no QB ever won with that OK…..but its irrevelant to me. A QB has his own job to do. Anything I ever critize Winston for is something real bro. A bad pick is a bad pick is a bad pick…….or a fumble.

    The defense or kicker is a different story. It should not mean we are not allowed to discuss poor QB play.

    Currently we are commenting on a Winston article. You wanna talk bad defense just get it started. I could go all day about that.

  82. JimmyJack Says:

    So if Winston throws a goofball needless pick on 2nd & goal I should not be upset he made a horrible play because our defense gave up the booty in response? Is this what you are telling me NDog? Get real bro.

    Don’t know about you but I got enough anger to be mad at both Winston and the defense on that one.

  83. Ndog Says:

    So if Winston throws a goofball needless pick on 2nd & goal I should not be upset he made a horrible play because our defense gave up the booty in response?

    Well considering that rarely happens I don’t concern myself with it. In fact outside of the pick against Atlanta where the ball bounced off a dudes head I can’t recall a pick in the redzone. I am sure I am forgetting one or two but they don’t stick out. So like usual a false narrative when discussing Jameis.

  84. JimmyJack Says:

    Ok then forget that false narrative.

    Let’s use a more real narrative and if Winston misses a wide open receiver and we punt then the defense responds by giving up the booty.

    This should be called shared plan and follows the old time saying that you win as a team and lose as a team………But maybe it’s easier to point a finger at just one side and say only they need to get better.

  85. Ndog Says:

    On that we agree THE TEAM needs to get better including the QB. But to be fair to ALL of the players the last coaching staff was horrible. Zero accountability ( with the exception of Jameis), no commitment to the running game, using players incorrectly (Spence, Hargraves, Davis, Stewart, Jones, OJ, DJax, LVD Marpet, Justin Evans) predictable running game when they did run, always predictable defense and just zero effort in trying to have an even decent special teams unit.

  86. JimmyJack Says:

    Just look at your own Atl game as a example. They were up big right before the half and our offense was not putting up much points.

    The team dug itself a big hole and that’s not winning formula. In that first half Winston made numerous mistakes. This doesn’t abdolve the defense of anything. But it just isn’t accurate to blame them for everything. The offense made their own share of mistakes and couldn’t get into the endzone for almost the entire half. It wasn’t good enough. Period.

  87. passthebuc Says:

    @Joe. After JW leaves next year for another city will you follow him?

  88. Ndog Says:

    JimmyJack he threw for 395 yards and 4 TDs, if we can’t win with that then we have serious issues. To make it simple if you look at this team and ask, what do we do well? Literally the only answer anyone could give is the passing game yet we are sitting here talking about the QB?

    Last few years running game sucked
    Last few years defense sucked
    Last few years kicking game sucked
    Last few years passing game good to great.

    Yet we are talking about the QB being a problem saying he’s not playing well?

    Are people seriously saying this, I JUST ASK PEOPLE TO LOOK AT THE FACTS AND HAVE COMMON SENSE!!!

  89. JimmyJack Says:

    Ndog……Whatever man. I’m talking about Winston playing a bad half of football in ATL. That’s the topic.

    No reason to deflect with your list about running game defense & kicking game. That’s not what we are talking about.

    It was a bad half of football dude. Don’t try to shove the rest of the stats in my face. Those stats aren’t revelant to what I’m saying. The Bucs were beaten badly in that first half and Winston played poorly. It don’t mean I’m blaming him solely. Quit trying to cover it up with your tales about crappy defense…….PS every Bucs fan on Earth already knows our defense is awful. But that shouldnt apply to a convocation about our QB.

  90. Ndog Says:

    Again in that game he threw for 395 yards and 4 TDs in that game. So you think he played poorly in that game?

  91. JimmyJack Says:

    Again that aren’t the topic and not what I’m talking about. I said he played a poor half of football. The 1st half. We went down by three TDs bro. The QB don’t get down by 3 TDs without touching the ball………..Maybe my standards are just too high but I expect my QB to put some points on the board. I like to expect him to give me a lead once in a while. And if his team gets behind on the scoreboard I expect my QB to answer and try to tie or take the lead……I do not expect my QB to come up dry and keep allowing the other team to go up by more and more.

    It was a poor half of football. Winston could not hit the endzone and had no answers. He made mistakes instead.

  92. Ndog Says:

    Uh we went down the field and scored a TD on the first drive of the game and of course we missed the extra point. So one we did score a TD and two we had the lead. Then boom they scored 3 TDs in a row to blow it open.

    So we had a fast start on offense then we missed an extra point and the defense could never stop them but yep that’s on the QB. SMH bro do you even hear yourself?

  93. Ndog Says:

    And oh yeah it was 24-13 at the half so we actually scored two TDs in the first half ( both passing BTW) but they scored on 4 of their 5 possessions. Yep thats all on the QB. And yes if you expect our QB to play defense and stop the other team your expectations are too high (news flash).

  94. JimmyJack Says:

    It ain’t all on the QB. But that was a game where Wiston didn’t have a answer. He got us in front and then sat on the leader and gave it up. Then he had no answer and let them go up big. Then they scored again and again no answer. They score again and yet again no answer Let’s not breeze past the inept part if that game when we got blown out. Not til we trailed by 3 TDs did he have a answer and he managed to get it to 24-13 just before the half.

    It was 6 to 25 before that. That’s called getting blown apart and poor QB contributed.

  95. JimmyJack Says:

    Good QBs should need to go down by three TDs to start performing…………and yes that does happen to the best of em but you could never tell me with a straight face that Winston doesn’t make a habit of getting behind in games before he starts performing. Look it up it’s a trend.

    Our team always plays from behind and you know it. You also know that’s not a winning formula.

  96. D1 Says:


    “Not in a court of law “?

    Yes, in a court of law. Not once but twice. As far as the NFL investigation, that is obviously not a court of law but everyone involved is an attorney or worked in law enforcement. . Basically, the league acted as a court and their findings would have been in line with any court proceedings.


    Winston lied to the team. There’s no room for doubt as Winston’s own words are the evidence. You were unwilling to move from your belief in winston even after the facts began to emerge and accumulate . As they did, your position never changed . Yes the truth difficult to accept if it conflicts with a belief. But that’s the place where intelligent people seperate themselves from the pack.

    BN, there’s no malice to these remarks nor is there any intent to elevate my own opinion at your expense. I am 100% behind winston and hope for his success. This is the point where we agree. I accept the facts and Winston’s words. He lied. This doesn’t in any way shape or form alter my previous statement.

    If you believe I’m a hater, then you’ve made the same error again .A pretty smart man observed that only types of people never needed to change their minds. Unfortunately, the vast majority falls into a single group.

  97. Tval Says:

    And “magadude” considers Winston scum and trump a SAVIOR. 😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆 you “wealthy” yet? Rhetorical

  98. Tval Says:

    And according to maga BAKER MAYFIELD IS A GREAT LEADER.

  99. Allbuccedup Says:

    Jameis will play average at best. BA or BS we shall see in September.

  100. Pittsshore Says:

    Tankfortua. By the way Joe: Jameis never experienced “stardom” in the NFL. College success means nothing now. Let it go. We all want him to de we’ll but you can’t teach a dumb dog new tricks.

  101. FearTheFlag Says:

    I believe this year, even with the one of the worst scheduling F-ups in NFL history, will prove how much difference a coaching staff can make. There will be much less of a “learning how to coach” curve and more implementing proven techniques, approaches and philosophies. Our Buc’s simply haven’t had that in a very long time. I think we will see several players break out this year because they were coached better AND intelligently put in more situations to succeed. Better play calling. Better match ups. More accountability by every player.

    All indications so far is that this team is seriously buying in to the Arians way (and Bowles). That matters! We are going to see a Buc’s team that is going to attack it’s opponents on both sides of the ball relentlessly! That simply wasn’t how we played in years past. I predict this team will be better and straight up, fun to watch!

  102. BucsBandit Says:

    NDOG – we haven’t had the bottom 5 defense/running game/kicking game for Winston’s entire career. That’s just false. Hell, Doug Martin rushed for 1,400+ yards in Winston’s first season and Winston went 6-10.

    Ndog… if you want to know the TRUE performance of Jameis Winston’s ineptitude, look at this stats for FIRST TWO DRIVES OF A GAME.

    Those first two drives have ZERO to do with our Defense. Jameis has ranked as one of the WORST QBs in terms of driving his team to early scores in games — which is how we fall behind early and are often trying to play catch-up… the D already spending more time on the field than the opponent.

    WAKE UP! Winston is NOT the great QB you think he is just because he’s had a few stretches of decent play and has racked up tons of yards when the Bucs were down by 2+ scores in games for so much of his career; due to his turnovers giving opponents great field position and Winston’s lack of early scoring drives.


  103. DeeNICE07 Says:

    Believe in Winston‼️

  104. Buccernutter Says:


    Facts emerged. Absolutely. But not enough to indicate proof

    You would get destroyed in a court of law. Most of you.

    Dumbest fan base in sports.

  105. Allbuccedup Says:

    Jameis had a good rookie season then regressed. Looking at FSU stats he had a great freshman year then regressed. Think there is a pattern?

  106. Magadude Says:

    JA, you deserve to be in moderation. There are a LOT of Bucs fans like myself who want Jameis to win but also know business well and having supported, including travel to see this team and being a season ticket holder for many many years, know the image of the Bucs is in the toilet, locally and nationally. Winston is but ONE reason but he is a big reason…he had it all and threw it away. We need a QB and face of the franchise who can be around our daughters and children. This is not a town large enough where shady character issues will not impact community support and attendance. As for me using “dude” in my handle after “Maga” which I explained, I simply called out your wild assumption and discrimation on things you have NO idea. Don’t turn it back on me. See you when you get out of prison…erh…moderation.

  107. Magadude Says:

    TVAL…you are a big slower than the other boys…why do you bring Trump into this? Yes, I do consider #3 scum, with a history of six years to deduce that opinion….and so does a large proportation of the population and NFL play conduct rules…

    Since you missed it, MAGA in my handle does not relate the president’s jingle. It is Microsoft, Apple, Google, Amazon. Got that about 12 years ago. Those companies are clients, and I am colliquially referred to at times as the MAGA dude. Nothing to do with politics. You are also one of the rush-to-judgement morons. Stop, listen, see, and think.

  108. Magadude Says:

    Webster says: “Do you think Luck sucks or dumb, or doesnt get it, will never get it etc or are all those negative comments only reserved for black qbs taking #1 overall?”
    Why bring race into it? No one else has, and that seems to be your last assertion becuase every comparison between Luck and Winston up and down the line is different.

    What is particularly amusing yet sad in a way, is every time someone calls out Winston for all he’s done and hasen’t done (on and off the field) and states their opinion about why he needs to go, some here throw in the race card right away. Or they try to say “what about xyz?” where there is really no logical comparison. Or they say “you are not a Bucs fan or you’d be pulling for Winston” which I have said I hope he wins every game, scores every play…and due. Then there are many of you who just love JW#3 but also wanted GMC run out of town. On that, I’d assume you had your reasons too. But if so, did YOU hope for his failure? Or did you want him to disrupt the play or get to the QB every time…and then want to move on?

  109. gilhealy Says:

    Maga,quit with the pious routine. You’re overall take on things rules out any level of moral superiority over JW. But, if you and other media sheep stick to the script, Jameis will forever be maligned. Name one trial, judgement, or actual truth told by your buddy Kate that points to Jameis’ guilt. Not your opinion, but facts, and evidence. My guess is you’re a case of the pot calling the kettle black. But, that’s just a judgemental, personal opinion based on what I’ve read from you. Yet, I’ll try not to bring it up in all my posts. That would be a going overboard. Don’t you think?

  110. gilhealy Says:

    Kate, Kinsman, either one. They’re both he said, she said.
    And not a dime changed hands in the Kinsman fiasco. There’s no evidence to back up that sentence. –Joe
    Both parties paid court costs and the case was dismissed. By Kinsman, not Jameis.

  111. gilhealy Says:

    that’s the original specifics of the case dismissal. Clune dropped the case when Jameis filed a counter suit. Both parties pay their own legal fees, and dismiss the original case. Only money paid was the 950k FSU doled out for the Title 9 negligence.