Talent II
June 9th, 2019
Not impressed.
Yesterday Joe brought word from Bucs coach Bucco Bruce Arians noting the excellent talent on the roster during a message to his team as underwear football season concluded.
Of course, other Bucs head coaches have said the same thing as Tampa Bay continued to be moored in Buccaneers Cove (last place in the NFC South).
Well, one heavy hitter NFL writer isn’t buying the sell of Bucs coaches, past and present. Yeah, the Bucs have talent, types Jay Glazer of The Athletic, all the talent of a losing team.
Jay, which team has more talent, the New York Giants or the Tampa Bay Buccaneers? —Rodger D.
The Tampa Bay Buccaneers. I’m not going to go into a long diatribe. Neither team has great talent on its roster right now, which is why they were both picking in the top seven of this year’s draft. I think the Bucs may have a little bit more to work with, just a little, though obviously Jason Pierre-Paul’s neck injury is an unfortunate turn of events for the team.
If this team has so much talent as coaches claim, then why the hell did the Bucs need to run off the entire coaching staff last season? If Tampa Bay has so much talent, why is it a last-place team?
Show people this team has a bit more talent than endorsing checks from Team Glazer.
June 9th, 2019 at 12:08 pm
The roster will have over 20 new players on the opening day roster vs last season’s roster. You can’t judge any previous team to the 2019 roster. Change happens quickly in the NFL..
June 9th, 2019 at 12:12 pm
Its hard to have the leagues #1 passing game without talent. I would say we had decent talent on defense but that talent couldn’t overcome horrible coaching.
June 9th, 2019 at 12:15 pm
We spent most of last year complaining about the coaching. So, we need to pump the brakes a little one evaluating the talent. Let’s see what BA and Todd Bowles are able to do with this group.
June 9th, 2019 at 12:15 pm
Excellent point, Chris K, and that is why these fools that say Gruden won with Dungy’s Team don’t know history. If you go back and look, that last Dungy roster turned over by about 20%.
That and coaching made the difference then. Gruden admittedly had a much easier road than Arians will.
June 9th, 2019 at 12:32 pm
That BA talent pat on the back is 100% coaching… gotta prop up the players on hand … all sports and levels of competition…. this is what coaches say
June 9th, 2019 at 12:35 pm
Bucs fans cant make up their mind on who to blame. One minute is jameis, the next minute it was koetter, next minute its licht, the next minute its mccoy, next minute is rojo.. so if yall say our Qb,RB, O line, dline, secondary and special teams are all trash.. what makes yall think we have “talent”??? And if we dont have talent, why was koetter and Not Licht ran out the door? And if we do have “talent” then why did we suck last year? And if u say it was coaching, then why is B.A. overhauling this roster? We replaced a linebacker with a linebacker who wont ever be able to live up to his draft position no matter what he does. We replaced mccoy with another over 30yr old d tackle. Who was so good in detroit that he made them a top 5 defense.. “Nah” . Who was so good in Miami that he made them a top 5 defense.. “nah”… who the rams loved so much that they didnt even call the man. Humphries gone and replaced by who? Who?? And who replaced djax? Who gonna play right guard? So lemme guess the coach who couldnt get pass the panthers in the playoffs is supposed to beat them twice a year.
June 9th, 2019 at 12:36 pm
Ask this same question about the Rams before Sean McVay or about the Colts before Frank Reich and you get the same answer. People simply don’t understand that talent if misused always looks like poor talent. There are so many players on this team that were misused. Hargraves, Davis, Stewart and Justin Evans in the secondary. LVD as a linebacker. Vea and Gholdston on the Dline. OJ, DJax, Jones, Marpet and Beneoch on offense and to a certain extent Jameis. All of these players have a real chance to be much better due to actually getting a chance to do what they are good at instead of what a coach wants to do. So if even half of these players play to their potential and Suh and even two rookies play well this roster will be more than talented enough to make the playoffs.
For example put Peyton Manning in the read option is he still Peyton Manning?
Put Warren Sapp in a 3-4 and ask him to eat up blockers all day so the linebackers can make all the tackles, is he still Warren Sapp?
Put Deion Sanders in a cover 2 and never let him turn and run man 2 man, is he still Primetime?
This is simple folks our coaching was freaking horrible, now will it be better who knows for sure but it can’t be much worse than the crap we just experienced. But the easy thing to say is this teams not talented. But then why do guys from this organization keep going elsewhere and succeeding? It’s called coaching or in our case, over the last 15 years, a LACK of coaching.
June 9th, 2019 at 12:44 pm
Exactly right. They are the Bucs. They can turn over 50% of players and an all the coaches. They have been doing it for years. Don’t flap your gums with the useless hype. Show me.
June 9th, 2019 at 12:46 pm
Solid points Ndog. Every year, there are surprise teams in the NFL. Hopefully this year, it will be our Bucs. I don’t think too many people are going to defend the Cutter/Smith regime. God knows Cutter was a terrible game day coach.
June 9th, 2019 at 12:54 pm
Blah blah blah blah… See you on Sunday in early September… It’s all about #3…
June 9th, 2019 at 1:02 pm
ESPN knows the truth.
June 9th, 2019 at 1:05 pm
These asinine notion say a lot about the so experts that get in front of mics and cameras spewing about a team doesn’t have talent. Dumb would be an understatement considering every team in the league has some of the best athletes in the world. The Pat boys don’t win every year because they are the most talented team in the league. They win because they have a rock solid system,one that they don’t deviate from. An ace at the QB position and a HC that is lucid and willing to make whatever subtle change necessary week to week in order to take advantage of whatever perceived weakness of upcoming opponent.
June 9th, 2019 at 1:08 pm
No writers or sports analyst has any respect for the bucs, but can you blame them. You need owners and GMs the know something about football. And that five a damn.
June 9th, 2019 at 1:08 pm
Give instead of five
June 9th, 2019 at 1:08 pm
Like mccoy who made us a top 5 defense and celebrated during losses?
June 9th, 2019 at 1:19 pm
Not many media personalities go out on the limb with their predictions. They make safe picks. After a team starts off 2-0 unexpectantly, then suddenly they have some sort of otherworldly premonition that this team may be good. With them, its all about being right
June 9th, 2019 at 1:27 pm
Well, Glazer DID say that we are probably a more talented team than the Giants (who have at least a decent amount of talent on their roster if u go thru it). And we will have Much more this year than last…
I definitely think the Bucs are going surprise alot of people this year.
Just please do the Wise thing, Bucs Fans, and put some money on the ‘Over’ for the Bucs win total this year and I promise you won’t regret it.
June 9th, 2019 at 1:32 pm
Now,I’m sure if you asked this person how he feels about the browns talent level I’m sure he would smile and go on about this and about that in reference to their new additions. But go inside your own mind and tell us where exactly do the browns exceed the Bucs in talent. If we examine the numbers of their most prized addition obj when you compare them to our stud WR ME you might come away surprised by what you find.
June 9th, 2019 at 1:34 pm
NOS…. IMO McCoy was a fool not to sign with Cleveland
June 9th, 2019 at 1:37 pm
Me personally ain’t no team in the league flat out more talented than the Bucs. Would we rank #1 in every category no. But we d$&@ sure wouldn’t rank last in any either. Then there’s that new coaching staff. Hmm,see these thread can play on the minds of some but not an observant eye like mines. I know better.
June 9th, 2019 at 1:39 pm
Only advantage any team may have over us come tournament time is experience PERIOD
June 9th, 2019 at 1:39 pm
The talent that we have at edge rusher is just average without JPP and unless Ronald Jones lives up to being a high second round pick, our talent at running back is laughable at best. The rest of the roster is good enough to have a winning record in most divisions. Our biggest obstacle is that we play twice a year against a 1st ballot hall of famer at qb and two other qb’s that have a shot at making it to the hof as well.
June 9th, 2019 at 1:43 pm
Alter he didn’t want that spotlight bro. See,that strobe light about to be fixed on that franchise all season for better or worse. Makes kinda hard to get away with the shanagins he got away with here in small market Tampa for so long. Try dancing on the sidelines while losing in cleve or crying on the sideline. Or mentioning after a winning season it felt like your worse season. Nationally he would ripped to shreds. Not even those prominent pink gums would be able to save him from the media onslaught.
June 9th, 2019 at 1:46 pm
Zilla only thing laughable is your belief that this system is in need of dominant edge rusher at DE even after your HC and DC has stated a number of times it doesn’t. As for the RBs on this team how can you be so sure what they are when your HC didn’t see a need to really utilize any of them.
June 9th, 2019 at 1:48 pm
NOS … I don’t need you to tell me Anything… feel free to express your own opinions
June 9th, 2019 at 1:49 pm
Funny thing about RBs not too long they were of no value to many on this site. How times have quickly changed. I think to myself are the pats putting out 1000 yard rushers every year. I honestly don’t know. But what I do know is I never hear about any of them once they leave New England.
June 9th, 2019 at 2:02 pm
John Franklin,E.Westbrook and Morgan Fox were the listed DEs of the 3/4 defense last season. Franklin had all of 2 sacks last season,Westbrook had 1 and I couldn’t find a line for Fox. Fowler is listed as a LB he had 2 sacks once joined them. Did it matter,no they ended up in the Super Bowl.
June 9th, 2019 at 2:03 pm
I left out for the rams
June 9th, 2019 at 2:05 pm
And we’re it not for a tender Todd Gurley. They probably would’ve won it.
June 9th, 2019 at 2:08 pm
Modhair
And the real truth, if it’s to be said at all, is that Heiden won with Kiffins defense.
June 9th, 2019 at 2:09 pm
Gruden
June 9th, 2019 at 2:26 pm
All the Bucs need to have a winning season in 2019 – is a defense rated better than 20th in scoring allowed – and a kicker who hits 85% of his kicks on the season.
Both are achievable. But will we see it?
Fingers crossed.
In Arians and Bowles I trust…
June 9th, 2019 at 2:42 pm
Jay they ran off the entire coaching not the players….you shouldn’t be asking why they did that based on the question
June 9th, 2019 at 2:54 pm
Good stuff NOSBOS. And Ndog, I like your 12:36 analysis … spot on. Here it is THREE months from the 1st game, we haven’t even seen this team in pads yet, and some national pundits are already proclaiming that we’re dogmeat. Kinda ridiculous, especially considering that they have no idea what our 53-man roster will look like come Game 1.
Obviously not a rebuild on the offensive side, but it’s pretty danged close to that on the defensive side & on S/Ts. How many players on the defensive side with MORE than 1 year experience with the Bucs do y’all think we’ll keep on the final roster? I see LVD & Gholston, plus Ryan Smith & VHIII … that could very well be it. Considering that we’ll most likely keep 25 defensive players, that’s a pretty big ‘rebuilding’ since the start of 2018. More than likely the 3 S/T guys from last year will be gone & that whole unit will be new … that’s a rebuilding too.
So on the defensive & S/Ts side, I’m not convinced that the ‘talent’ really was there, although it’s hard to REALLY know because the coaching staff obviously did a poor job of player development. But it sure does already look like Todd Bowles & company have evaluated the ‘talent’ on the defensive side of the ball and that we kept the best & replaced a number of ‘meh’ players. And in the process we’ve more than likely strengthened competition for starting spots AND improved our depth, PLUS improved leadership on the defense. And those 3 things SHOULD pay huge dividends as the season rolls along.
June 9th, 2019 at 3:04 pm
Y’all are getting yourselfs worked into a tizzy about what Jay Glazer’s says? The dude isn’t even a analyst (not that any of them are right about most of their predictions anyway). This guy is the freaking rumor and gossip guy. He probably talks more to agents then he does with actual players.
What he says is tabloid material at best. Guaranteed the s guy knows very little about the Buccaneers.
June 9th, 2019 at 3:06 pm
You cannot blame coaching all the time… I remember when leslie frazier left tampa and went and coached buffalo to a top 10 defense. Or how about Joe cullen having the ravens pass rush on point. Not only do players leave tampa and become better players.. Coaches leave tampa and have no problem with success. Im willing to bet all my money that Dirk Koetter will have no problem scoring in the redzone with Atlanta.
June 9th, 2019 at 3:10 pm
A teams talent level and their record at the end of a season are two different things. There are a lot of factors that come into play, like injuries, coaching, experience level, years in a particular system, division you play in, on and on. Now, the Bucs didn’t have much talent in certain areas of the team, that is true, but overall, they have as much talent as any playoff team, on paper, but games are not played on paper, so that’s why the other factors are important as well, especially coaching, and luck, in the form of your players staying healthy.
June 9th, 2019 at 3:15 pm
941 fair point. And I will counter your bet and proclaim that Bruce will have no problems scoring in the red zone here. He will also get us producing on 3rd & 1. Something Dirk failed at four consecutive years.
June 9th, 2019 at 3:16 pm
Jay probably thinks the Browns are true contenders……
June 9th, 2019 at 3:31 pm
A LARGE portion of Bucs fans know that this team is not worth coming out and supporting this coming season… It’s a bad investment and a waste of time and money.. Especially when over the past seasons they’ve struggled to win @ home and basically the same team!
June 9th, 2019 at 3:46 pm
Ndog excellent points made.
With the exception of a few generational players at certain positions throughout the NFL the difference in 1st round pick and a 3rd round is not much at all. Coaching and proper scheme is akin to a world class chess champ making calls with a thought out process and not just playing every opponent the same.
June 9th, 2019 at 3:54 pm
941 Bucfan is absolutely right. We been blaming so many people for this sorry
a.. team we just..pick a fresh candidate ever year. Kinda reminds me of that ole movie, Body snatchers where at the end Donald Southerland surprises the gal and..points her out to the already..infected mob with that errie scream. Thats us.
This year we sprinkled the foul smell with a new coaching staff, made one of our top players the scapegoat for seasons of loses. Who’s next? Pressure cooker is
on Mr. Arians..I hope you win..for your sake..and ours.
June 9th, 2019 at 4:15 pm
TexBuc: Exactly!
June 9th, 2019 at 4:40 pm
Ndog: 👌
June 9th, 2019 at 5:12 pm
Mr. Bonzai you say Shaq Barret is player that never met his potential??? You know this how??? Have you followed his career in denver since entering the league??? I doubt it. You might wanna watch some film on him bro,no not highlights film. Shaq has been a backup mainly because of bigger named players have gotten the nod over him. Shaq has learned from Von Miller and Demarcus Ware,young is a 3/4 olb-ing animal. I’ll for the ump-tinth time graded on a scale from 1 to 100 he has been over 70 as a pass rusher and run stopper the last three seasons. They gave him 5 mill for a reason. Maybe because they unlike did some homework and felt he was asset worth securing.
June 9th, 2019 at 5:14 pm
This whole site is asleep to the find Shaq Barret was by this organization.
June 9th, 2019 at 5:36 pm
And people out there giving credit to BA for getting rid of mccoy… no no no, lets make no mistake about it. B.A. truly wanted to keep mccoy, but we are in Cap Hell and he couldnt.. thats all that was.. if he wanted a culture “change” he wouldve got rid of him in March. And dont give me no BS about trying to find a trade partner for 3 months. End of the day BA is an “ok” coach that had an elite defense. One thing arians failed at in arizona was pass blocking, and to no surprise we dont have good pass blocking here either. And News Flash we dont have a David Johnson at RB, and we also dont have a honey badger OR patrick peterson or a Pass rush. We got 95 coaches on this staff, a d end with a broken neck, and nassib and noah spence are who we counting on to get to drew brees. All yall spit out the bruce Arians kool aid yall been drinking. Bruce arians wants to overhaul this roster so bad, but having no cap space wont allow him to. So he has to churn out the bottom of the roster, and folks you know who u replace the guys on the bottom of roster with?? Guys that were not good enough to make the bottom of the roster on other teams.
June 9th, 2019 at 5:43 pm
I’m pretty sure BA and co. would say we don’t have talent and don’t expect winning.
June 9th, 2019 at 5:56 pm
If this team has so much talent as coaches claim, then why the hell did the Bucs need to run off the entire coaching staff last season? If Tampa Bay has so much talent, why is it a last-place team?
You answered your now question there. What other reason WOULD there be to fire an entire coaching staff. BECAUSE THEY HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THE HELL THEY ARE DOING!!!!! C’MON MAN!!!!!
June 9th, 2019 at 6:00 pm
941bucsfan Says:
June 9th, 2019 at 5:36 pm
And people out there giving credit to BA for getting rid of mccoy… no no no, lets make no mistake about it. B.A. truly wanted to keep mccoy,
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Um – Wrong…..
June 9th, 2019 at 6:04 pm
Explain how im wrong Pickgrin! The dude held on to mccoy for 4 months. He for sure thought suh was gonna sign with a contender.. Once he found out sub was interested and seen the cost savings then he pulled the trigger. It wasn’t because he didnt “Want” mccoy. Get real man
June 9th, 2019 at 6:15 pm
Ahhhhhh 941 that’s a blatent assumption. You know as much as the rest of us……..which is we’ve known nothing that’s happened behind closed doors.
Not saying your guess is wrong but it’s just a guess. It makes just as much sense that they held him through the draft to see if they could make a draft trade. After that it was rumored his agent was out there trying to work a trade & keep the 13 mil. That could be why we heard the Browns mentioned so much.
You got your guess I got mine. My guess is Bruce knew he wasn’t keeping McCoy as soon as he took the job. Finesse players like Gerald don’t fit in this attacking defense……..Not to mention they needed to get the old leader out so there would be no question that Devin White was our new Leader.
June 9th, 2019 at 6:17 pm
I hear the Glazers are strongly considering and working behind the scenes to get the team moved to Orlando. It would be a great move for both the Bucs and the NFL. Every game would be massive sellouts.
June 9th, 2019 at 6:20 pm
Your other assumption is total BS too. If Bruce wanted to overhaul the roster he would have.
Just go look up how much guaranteed money we owe to our players. It’s not much bro. He could have gotten rid of most of this team if he wanted to.
He choose this team and it’s players. He didn’t come out of retirement to tear apart a team and completely rebuild it. Bruce came here cause he believe he can win with the core players we have.
June 9th, 2019 at 6:41 pm
What do u mean jimmy Jack? Lavonte is the only player he can cut and save Real money ($9mil) with no Dead Money.. cant cut Brate, cant cut Jensen, cant cut Hargreaves. He came to Tampa to Try to save his friends Job aka Jason Licht. Lets make no mistake. If BA wasnt here right now, neither would licht.
June 9th, 2019 at 6:49 pm
@ 941
Koetter’s offenses has struggled in the red zone his entire time in the nfl going back to jacksonville, atlanta and tampa. Please do your homework before typing false narratives to fit your argument.
June 9th, 2019 at 7:05 pm
Ndog…preach. Go Bucs!
June 9th, 2019 at 7:08 pm
Reminds me when Gruden changed our whole Offense BA is changing the whole Defense let’s goBucs
June 9th, 2019 at 7:18 pm
proof it by winning the match, simple.
June 9th, 2019 at 7:29 pm
What are we comparing to? Last years buc’s team or the patriots?
The way I see it is we have 3 pro-bowlers on def and 3 pro-bowlers on offense. Imo our weakness is too many rookies in the secondary and at skill positions. Traditionally this would lead me to conclude that we’re 2-3 years away from competing but wtfdik.
In comparison to the panthers, saints and falcons rosters we probably arguably debatable have the least skilled roster.
June 9th, 2019 at 7:43 pm
941 you are right about Licht but wrong about the players.
Im not big on studying the CAP but im pretty sure Hargreaves could have been cut without dead money but we picked up his 5th year.
JPP could have been cut but that date passed by now. Now he is dead cap.
D.Smith could have been cut but they resigned him.
Dotson could have been cut but resigned.
Winston could have been cut but that date passed. Now he is dead cap.
Beau Allen could have been cut but resigned.
There are still players who can still be cut right now but it sounds like we are holding onto them……Gholston, Spence ect.
Add all the salaries up and it’s more then enough to overhaul the roster. Don’t forget to add David like you mentioned.
Yes, they are dead CAP hits now but not when Bruce first got here.
June 9th, 2019 at 8:02 pm
And that’s a joke to save Bruce came here to save Jason’s job. I should not even need to tell you why. Why don’t you call the local sports radio challel and tell the hosts about that you.
They would probably laugh and hang up on you. It would be entertaining though.
June 9th, 2019 at 8:03 pm
Typos*
June 9th, 2019 at 8:19 pm
Browns were the “only” team he would consider or listen to. So ya here he is. You figure it out. And don’t feed me the Jameis BS.
June 9th, 2019 at 8:32 pm
Hadn’t caught that but Alter get out your weak @$$ feelings dude this online cant stop someone from using your tag homeboy.
June 9th, 2019 at 8:34 pm
JimmyJack you would have cut JPP before he got injured? Really?
June 9th, 2019 at 8:38 pm
Oh nevermind you had us cutting JW too. That’s 10 seconds of my life I’ll never get back wasting my time reading that.
June 9th, 2019 at 8:42 pm
Punk mofos round here.And Pittshore don’t let that happen the city would explode. Already more Bucs tags on vehicles here than anything.
June 9th, 2019 at 8:55 pm
LMAO @ NOSBOS. What a clown. So you have been closely watching the back up LB play at Denver the past few years. GTFO! I usually don’t read your nonsense but I accidentally stumbled on to that ridiculousness.
June 9th, 2019 at 8:56 pm
Our defense had its best years under schiano… but yall ran him out of town.. and wakt if BA dont succeed in Tampa. Then Jameis will get 1000% of the blame. Real talk at the end of the day GMC gonna have the last laugh when they are competing for a playoff spot, and we are having draft talk in october
June 9th, 2019 at 9:01 pm
See here Orlando there wouldn’t be so much hatred for the starting QB because of his skin tone. Shoulda seen how the crowd reacted few years ago when they seen him at that FSU spring game here the O.. Bring’em on over Team Glazers. We’d welcome them wit open arms.
June 9th, 2019 at 9:03 pm
Typical dumb @$$ you are Touchdown considering I mentioned his “film”. Observe it awhile and you’ll come away impressed by technical skill.
June 9th, 2019 at 9:05 pm
SC no way. Im a big JPP fan.
I was talking about if the franchise had decided to do a roster overhaul.
Would not be a plan I support but if you were going to do that high salary guys like JPP would have been released and/or traded for extra draft choices months ago.
June 9th, 2019 at 9:10 pm
Was responding to someone else saying Bruce wanted to do a roster overhaul but couldn’t because of salary’s. It’s false. He could of released over half our team…..and plenty of the high school players.
June 9th, 2019 at 10:59 pm
BA doing a overhaul, wouldve took the blame off the last coaching staff and put the blame on licht.. clearly something Arians has no interest.. all this “he is my friend”, “i got all my coaches” B.S. is gonna have this team right at 5-11 again
June 10th, 2019 at 7:54 am
>i>”If this team has so much talent as coaches claim, then why the hell did the Bucs need to run off the entire coaching staff last season? If Tampa Bay has so much talent, why is it a last-place team?” – Joe
lol…I almost read that in Lee’s voice this morning.
Talent has nothing to do with why coaches were fired.
Personally, I believe that if the Glazers told Licht to put his foot down, keep Koetter and part of his staff (fire the entire defensive staff, special team staff, the OL and RB coaches), then things would have worked out well.
Koetter was not a bad coach. He was just too stubbornly loyal to bad coaches and bad players, and he needed to toughen up on the players.
And people can blame bad playcalling all they want last year, but he did not call the plays. Monken did.
June 10th, 2019 at 7:56 am
@941bucsfan
Jason Licht is a fine GM…especially when compared to the majority of GMs in this league. You might name 5 or so who are better…but no more than that.
June 10th, 2019 at 8:06 am
JimmyJack Says
“Yes, they are dead CAP hits now but not when Bruce first got here.”
JPP has only half a dead cap hit at the moment. Only 7/5 instead of 14 count against the cap atm.
And Dotson did not resign. He had another year on his contract, and it runs out after this year. Still, he carries no dead space and could still be cut…if they were willing to replace him or run with the unproven young guys. I’m all for going with the young guys this year so we can find out if we need to address the position next year.
Golston can still be released. And so can Santos and a number of other players.
However…here’s the thing you are not mentioning:
This is a prove-it year for Jameis Winston. If he fails to prove himself, then the Bucs will have to go into full rebuild mode (unless they happen upon a Drew Brees type of situation in free agency). Most of the salaries can be cleared off the books next year with no penalty, so Jason Licht planned the cap out perfectly in that regard.
And really, if Winston proves himself, there will be a chunk of cap space cleared up as well. Dotson will no longer be here, JPP will be off the books completely, David will be tradeable, and a number of other guys will be expendable.
June 10th, 2019 at 8:14 am
A fine GM??? If licht got fired tomorow he will be working for ESPN. Stop it man..A couple Facts.. Licht is trash.. And bruce arians is a poor mans andy reid
June 10th, 2019 at 11:08 am
It’s difficult to pinpoint why the Bucs have stunk for so long, might fit well in mickey mouseville where everything is fake.
June 10th, 2019 at 12:11 pm
If this team has so much talent as coaches claim, then why the hell did the Bucs need to run off the entire coaching staff last season?
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That’s exactly why the coaching staff was run off. This was an underachieving team. They had way too much talent to play and finish as badly as they did. If we had started the season with Mike Smith NOT as the DC, that alone would have led to 2-3 more wins… the Steelers and Falcons games would have been wins if we could’ve made a defensive stop. Not saying we are uber talented on either side of the ball, but there was too much talent on D to play at a league worst level. Mike Smith was terrible. Dirk Koetter running things on O wasn’t great… I know Monken was the OC… but when Winston came back the offense never clicked again, I could’ve/should’ve been better. Monken called a great game when planning for Fitzpatrick’s starts and strengths, not so much for Winston. We have way too many quality players to be drafting top 10 every year.
June 10th, 2019 at 12:18 pm
Buccaneer Bonzai Says:
June 10th, 2019 at 7:56 am
@941bucsfan
Jason Licht is a fine GM…especially when compared to the majority of GMs in this league. You might name 5 or so who are better…but no more than that
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I agree with this for the most part. Licht does well and acquiring the talent that his coaching staff wants to utilize. There is a fine balance between drafting the guys you want, and drafting the guys that your coaches want and keeping everybody happy. Even Noah Spence was highly thought of and many draft prognosticators had Spence as a 1st round pick, some had him going to us in round 1. The fact that he hasn’t panned out isn’t on Licht as much as it is on Mike Smith and Spence. He had great value as a 2nd round draft pick, considering he was widely considered a 1st rounder at the time.
He also really got great value with later picks like Kwon, Beckwith (preinjury), Godwin, OJ Howard (considered a top 5 talent), and finding UDFA gems like Humphries, Brate, and other contributors. He’s done a decent job of acquiring talent, the coaching staffs just haven’t done a very good job of utilizing it.
June 10th, 2019 at 1:26 pm
He’s a fine GM that’s why we suck so much. I would much rather have those sorry GMs from New England, Kansas City, Los Angeles, and New Orleans.