Perriman On Upswing?
March 13th, 2019
Toxic environment in Baltimore for the new Bucs receiver.
Joe knew that new Bucs receiver Breshad Perriman had a rough career since being a first-round pick out of Central Florida.
But after looking up his stats, Joe didn’t realize how rough his short career has been. The word “bust” is associated with the 26th overall pick of the 2015 draft.
But to try to put a happy face on this move, it seems like the speed demon might finally be breaking out. A little.
Last year in Cleveland, though he had modest numbers, he may have had his best season thus far (yes, that’s not saying much). A sign of things to come?
His days in Baltimore were less than ideal. Crows coach John Harbaugh seemed to sour on Perriman early and Crows fans absolutely turned on him, documents Jamison Hensley of BSPN.
The [Baltimore] public backlash against Perriman has been brutal. Take Twitter, for example: He wished everyone a Happy Mother’s Day, but the only reply was someone who wrote: “Your mom doesn’t love you.” Last October, he tweeted that he was praying for all those affected by the Las Vegas tragedy. One fan responded: “I’m praying that you start playing like a first round pick.”
Between his injuries, his drops and dealing with the harsh Crows fans along with personal issues that messed with his head (his best friend was killed in a dirt bike wreck and his father suffered a stroke), Baltimore sounded like hell on earth for Perriman.
Maybe getting away from Baltimore was what Perriman needed. Again, he may have had his best season last year — 16 catches for 340 yards and two touchdowns. Could it be Perriman is starting to turn the corner and the Bucs got him as his arrow is pointing up?
March 13th, 2019 at 9:05 am
Pretty brutal stuff.
Hopefully a fresh start here helps all of us.
March 13th, 2019 at 9:07 am
Maybe you can go home again……………………..
March 13th, 2019 at 9:07 am
Low risk high reward. Would pay this man over DJax any day of the week just based on the hunger alone. So much potential.
Go Knights. F*ck USF
March 13th, 2019 at 9:08 am
He doesn’t need to play like a 1st round pick….a 3rd would be fine…like Godwin , or example.
March 13th, 2019 at 9:08 am
Very little risk. They can cut him in camp if he doesn’t play well. He had some big plays in Cleveland at the end of the season. Baltimore is where receivers go to die. Crabtree, Wallace, the list goes on. They just have a poor passing game. If Perriman looks good in camp, we just got a 4.28 guy on the cheap.
March 13th, 2019 at 9:09 am
Its a cheap, 1 yr deal. Low risk high reward. Ive been saying the past few days the Djax speed was the main thing that needed to be replaced and he fills that need.
BUT
Im not holding out hope that he turns into a 1st round talent
March 13th, 2019 at 9:11 am
bye..bye Bobo….maybe …it will be the same role they will compete for
March 13th, 2019 at 9:13 am
Also consider that Cleveland was cleaning house and they wanted to keep Perriman. They even agreed to terms. They must have seen something they like.
March 13th, 2019 at 9:13 am
Not yet. Bobo is good on special teams (he and Justin Watson led the Bucs in tackles on special teams).
March 13th, 2019 at 9:14 am
So the Bucs now have 3 receivers on their roster that run in the 4.4’s. Hmmm
March 13th, 2019 at 9:15 am
Caught 16 balls. Couldn’t break into a role on a team that struggled at receiver once Flash Gordon was traded. Bobo and Jwat will have every opportunity to play.
I hope Arians knows how to use not one but two TEs in his offense.
March 13th, 2019 at 9:20 am
BrianBucs Says:
March 13th, 2019 at 9:14 am
So the Bucs now have 3 receivers on their roster that run in the 4.4’s. Hmmm
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and a QB that can’t hit them in stride….
March 13th, 2019 at 9:24 am
Bucs took a flyer. This guy’s about 6 in taller than d-jax and can smoke him in the 40. There’s our speed if it works out.
March 13th, 2019 at 9:26 am
Ton’s of bucs fans up in arms over our lack of moves but these kind of moves are exactly what I expected. Even with cuts I never expected us to be in on the tier 1 players. BA is a great offensive minded coach excited to see if he can rejuvenate this kids career.
March 13th, 2019 at 9:36 am
Well the good thing is he got scooped up by a tolerant fan base who will be kind to him as evidenced by this message board
March 13th, 2019 at 9:43 am
!st rounder that don’t live up to the hype, especially at a skill position face a brutal day to day living environment.
March 13th, 2019 at 9:45 am
Awesome the bucs get a player who cannot make it on 2 playoff teams, by 2026 this team will be amaZing
March 13th, 2019 at 9:46 am
Fair prove it deal.
March 13th, 2019 at 9:46 am
miken Says:
March 13th, 2019 at 9:43 am
!st rounder that don’t live up to the hype, especially at a skill position face a brutal day to day living environment.
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except for Jameis here in Tampa town….not so much outside of the city limits
March 13th, 2019 at 9:50 am
He can flat out FLY!
Faster and bigger then DJax, if him and Jameis develop chemistry, look out.
March 13th, 2019 at 9:50 am
He’ll be out of the league this time next year if not sooner. Michael Clayton Jr he is.
March 13th, 2019 at 10:00 am
Fun fact, according to overthecap, signing Pinion, Perriman, and Buccanon has eliminated the Bucs from receiving comp picks for losing Kwon and Hump…
https://overthecap.com/compensatory-draft-picks-cancellation-chart/
March 13th, 2019 at 10:02 am
Not sure what the big deal is that we signed him… He either makes the team or not.
March 13th, 2019 at 10:05 am
Fun fact, signing Pinion, Perriman, and Buccanon has cancelled out any comp picks the Bucs couldve gotten for Kwon and Hump…
https://overthecap.com/compensatory-draft-picks-cancellation-chart/
March 13th, 2019 at 10:06 am
Right now the Bucs don’t even have enough cap space to sign their draft picks.
March 13th, 2019 at 10:12 am
Two days in a row with no distraction of the day. 🙁
Not nearly as distracting reading about free agency. 🙂
March 13th, 2019 at 10:16 am
With Evans and Howard and Brate pulling the defenses into the middle of the field, a flyer WR should do well in this offense. He is a bigger target than DJAX and stronger. His drops have to be eliminated. Again he’s not guaranteed any money and if he can do what Brate did and what Nassib did than the Bucs get a solid depth guy with some big plays thrown in.
Still surprised that no offensive line or running back signings. Draft defense and offensive linemen but you still need some veterans for consistancy.
Get rid of Beau Allen, Mitch Unrein, Will Gholston and McCoy and find some hungry linemen in the draft and grab some second tier linemen. Don’t depend fully on the draft but don’t overpay like they did with Allen, Curry, McCoy and Unrein.
March 13th, 2019 at 10:25 am
I can see what you’re trying to do here but nope don’t get to optimistic were dumpster diving because we’re broke in this case one man’s trash is now our trash not a treasure! Buchanan is another liability too smh!
March 13th, 2019 at 10:26 am
Can Perryman return kickoff and punt?
March 13th, 2019 at 10:27 am
Sorry about the double post, @Joes
March 13th, 2019 at 10:28 am
Perriman stinks. This is a waste of $4M. No logic behind this move.
March 13th, 2019 at 10:30 am
He sucks…like all the other signings.
March 13th, 2019 at 10:31 am
R.O. Says
“Not sure what the big deal is that we signed him… He either makes the team or not.”
The big deal is his salary…$4,000,000 for a horrible WR.
March 13th, 2019 at 10:31 am
Camp meat if you ask me
March 13th, 2019 at 10:32 am
This guy should be getting league minimum.
March 13th, 2019 at 10:32 am
Gotta ask…is anyone happy with the free agent moves? We;re getting some pretty bad players.
March 13th, 2019 at 10:36 am
He just needed some sunshine. Welcome back to the warm weather. Time to call Jameis and get to work.
March 13th, 2019 at 10:39 am
The stars are aligning for the Bucs in this draft. The Niners will trade the no. 2 pick to the giants for their two first rounders who will then draft Haskins to replace Manning. The Bucs will draft either Bosa, Quinnen or Allen barring another team jumping ahead of them. Mark my words.
March 13th, 2019 at 10:42 am
According to BSPN, he had zero drops last year and had a verbal agreement to return to Cleveland until they stole OBJ from the Giants. He’s at least as good as a #3 and should feel like heaven to get coached by Bucco Bruce.
March 13th, 2019 at 10:44 am
@Bonzai
You having that opinion makes me more optimistic about this season than I’ve ever been. You were as happy as a hog in horse excrement last season when I had no faith in the team whatsoever.
Keep up that attitude and it very well could have an opposite George type of effect on the team and they might actually turn this thing around.
March 13th, 2019 at 10:46 am
Joey I read that site the same as you but I don’t believe we lost those picks, I think you need to sign similar cost FAs. I might be wrong but everything I’ve read indicated you don’t lose picks for signing journeymen to fill out your roster.
March 13th, 2019 at 10:59 am
Am I the only one who thinks that Bobo looks like a future star in this league?
Why does his skillset look so elite every time he touches the ball? (Rhetorical question)
Seriously, though. I think Bobo will eventually be a stud.
Joes? Bueller? Anyone agree?
March 13th, 2019 at 11:01 am
@Erik
Nothing really jumps out my memory from last year. Any play in particular which makes you feel Bobo is a stud?
March 13th, 2019 at 11:03 am
Just be as productive as Djax (which shouldn’t be hard) by running some deep routes thus stretching the defense and don’t be a jack@$$ in the locker room and this will be an upgrade!
March 13th, 2019 at 11:04 am
I’m a little disappointed that we didn’t sign Jon Brown too. Wth
March 13th, 2019 at 11:08 am
Bonzai
I’m ok with the moves. Not jumping for joy happy, but it is exactly what I expected. Low cost, low risk signings. Perriman was drafted because he has speed for days. He didn’t lose his speed overnight, you can’t teach speed. Deon Bucannon isn’t a flashy signing, but he is the hybrid that was HUGE in Arizona for a few years until Bruce left. New coaches tried to play him like a really small MLB. He is a box safety/MLB. Hell he so athletic they made up a whole new position for him. Not mad at it. Plus I’m glad we aren’t out here overpaying every Joe shmo that ever played football. These are 2nd and 3 tier signings that good teams let fill out their roster. We have had the SPLASH signings every year, and it got us nowhere. Be patient and see the product on the field
March 13th, 2019 at 11:08 am
Just his relative skillset anytime I see him involved in a play, I guess… He just looks quicker and faster and with much more playmaking ability than I would expect for an undrafted guy… He looks every bit as good as pretty much any elite slot guy I can think of right now. Definitely more explosive-looking to me than Hump (no disrespect to Hump, who was super solid).
March 13th, 2019 at 11:08 am
Joe a little off topic but the Giants are showing a ton of interest in Murray…I expect with the extra 1st round pick they received in the OBJ trade they could use it to jump up to the number 1 spot and get him. Giving us a shot at a big defensive player.
March 13th, 2019 at 11:10 am
“Joeypoppems Says:
March 13th, 2019 at 10:05 am
Fun fact, signing Pinion, Perriman, and Buccanon has cancelled out any comp picks the Bucs couldve gotten for Kwon and Hump…”
For now. I also didn’t realize it worked like that. To where you could get a 3rd compensatory pick for Kwon and cancel it out with a cheap signing.
But that chart will only stay the case if no other prior Bucs are signed by anyone in the league. That would mean no one outside the Bucs signs:
Ryan Fitzpatrick
Vinny Curry
Chris Conte
Jaquis Rodgers
Bryan Anger
Andrew Adams
Javien Elliot
Leonard Wester
Alan Cross
Adarius Taylor
+ a few other names I don’t recognize
We basically have to net 3 less signings vs this list. I.e. if 6 of these players were to sign elsewhere, we could sign another 3 players that were dropped from other teams and still get a 3rd for Kwon and a 4th for Hump, as long as we sign no major contract equal to a 3rd/4th value.
I’m not sure those guys all sign but I’d think Fitz/Curry/Anger/Adams/Rodgers(maybe back in ATL)/Conte all get some cheap vet deals somewhere
We can also re-sign some of these guys listed and it doesn’t count in the formula.
Ideal scenario is Fitzpatrick getting a contract worth a 3rd, and people signing 5 other ex FAs of ours on top of that to cheap deals, so we can still sign like 2 players and get 2 3rds and a 4th
March 13th, 2019 at 11:11 am
I see Bobo making an Adam Humphries-type rise and having a higher ceiling than Hump too…
March 13th, 2019 at 11:16 am
Antonio Brown…..Odell Beckham…….Golden Tate…….Adam Humphries…….but we’re GOOD…..we got PERRIMAN !!!! What a joke.
March 13th, 2019 at 11:24 am
Bobo is a sure handed kick returner. Bobo will have a breakout year. rather have him back there catching kicks than Bumphries. So glad Bumphries is gone and gotten way overpaid.
March 13th, 2019 at 11:27 am
20 ypc is pretty nice
March 13th, 2019 at 11:37 am
Man if Jason Licht somehow ends up losing a 3rd or 4th round pick because he signed a mother f*cking punter….
I will lose my gd mind. The formula isn’t THAT complicated. Better pray that a lot of our semi-trash FAs get signed
March 13th, 2019 at 11:38 am
Anyone who was holding out hope for L Bell can put that wish away now.
March 13th, 2019 at 11:38 am
I don’t get the negativity with this player. He has abilities that far exceed the receivers we moved on from. No issues with his attitude or work ethic. By all accounts we have a coaching staff well prepared to get the best out of him. Can’t we at least wait until we see what we have before we start bitching? He’s 60% cheaper, 6 inches taller, and faster than DJax, who the vast majority here could not wait to be rid of. We will all miss Hump. Nobody will miss DJax. Time to move on and root for our new and improved Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
March 13th, 2019 at 11:42 am
We’re not going to lose any picks from these budget signings.
Money plays a huge factor. Hump and Kwon have gotten way more money than all these little signings combined.
March 13th, 2019 at 11:42 am
Are we in trouble?
Our offense just lost half of its most productive receivers. OK, fine.
Our Defense has LVD in the entire back 7. Maybe we draft another starting caliber backer. Either way, we are hurting.
Last time I checked, we still play Brees, Ryan, and Newton 6x each year. And this year, Deshaun Watson, Andrew Luck, Goff, and Dangeruss Wilson, and Frat Stafford.
Just glad we don’t have to play the Browns again this year.
Whitehead can ball, but man, we need a miracle at DB.
We’re about to find out just how important coaching is. Going to be a case study. Either we hold our own, or we’ll be lucky to get to 5-11 and will have a new GM.
March 13th, 2019 at 11:43 am
@1sparkybuc
100%
March 13th, 2019 at 11:46 am
I don’t understand why Bucs fans get so crazy upset, when the Front office doesn’t sign a Household name Free agent for stupid money – When have the Patriots aside from Randy Moss ever done that? They don’t – & when the Bucs have spent $ on high priced Free agents, they don’t work out & you’re calling for the GMs head.
Perriman has world class speed = Replaced Djax
Perriman is a slot receiver = Replaced Adam Hump
Perriman is cheap = The Bucs have NO MONEY
Perriman has a chip on his shoulder being a former 1st Round pic & his dad having played 10 years in the NFL
Its a good pick up! You people need to chill out.
March 13th, 2019 at 11:46 am
Please bring Drew R on board as the guy is a negotiating Marvel !! The fact that he got this guy four million a year, if true? Well, that is equally impressive as John Lynch getting worked in the quan Alexander deal !!
March 13th, 2019 at 11:49 am
Well, despite all of his issues, if he didn’t grope Uber drivers and lie to his family, team, and fans…he’s an upgrade on a character note. Yeah, we’ve had guys that drop the ball too. Could be a rough year.
March 13th, 2019 at 11:52 am
Bucs still have Evans and Godwin and two great TEs.
Sucks to lose Hump but I am not worried about his production, and Im sure as hell not worried about losing Djax. This offense will be just fine.
Good depth/speed WR with upside.
March 13th, 2019 at 11:55 am
1sparky, I think the negativity stems from the Bucs lack of an attempt to sign a big time player in free agency.
Certainly we didn’t need to do what the Jets or 49ers did but we have clear needs and their were big time players available.
One would think that after 5 years of failing in free agency that Jason Licht would adjust his “build through the draft and supplement through free agency philosophy”. Good GMs build through the draft AND through free agency.
5 years and the guy as not signed 1 good free agent, not 1….instead he waste money away on these mediocre players like Beau Allen And Vinny Curry where he eventually admits his mistake and releases them…it’s a cycle that fails time and time again.
The reality is that the Bucs were a bad team and that have gotten worse in the last week and as long as Jason Licht is employed, the Bucs will not be better than the Miami Dolphins.
March 13th, 2019 at 11:56 am
Tbbucs3 don’t you think that’s what Licht is doing now? Avoiding big time FAs and building with the draft?
March 13th, 2019 at 12:03 pm
“unbelievable Says:
March 13th, 2019 at 11:42 am
We’re not going to lose any picks from these budget signings.
Money plays a huge factor. Hump and Kwon have gotten way more money than all these little signings combined.”
I thought so too but unfortunately we were wrong.
Proof via Seattle:
In 2018 FA they lost 4 qualifying players for a total of $27.95M in new contracts elsewhere
They signed 5 qualifying players for a total of $11.81M.
That’s an insane difference in contract value and it didn’t matter. They got 0 picks. Would have gotten a 4th for Jimmy Graham / 5ths for Sheldon Rankins & Paul Richardson
So yes
Jason Licht may have just taken a punter with a 3rd round pick.
March 13th, 2019 at 12:03 pm
at 4mil, im expecting him to be on the field as the #3wr in the slot…..seems like BA like taller slot wrs….
#REALISTKNOWSNOTHING!!!!…GO BUCS!!!!!
March 13th, 2019 at 12:05 pm
Also what I can’t figure out – if we cut perriman or buccanon – the 1 year deal guys – before the season – would they still count in the formula? Thank god the punter is locked up for 4 years lol
March 13th, 2019 at 12:08 pm
LC
i hear ya….
but last year many thought seattle was “rebuilding” after letting players walk….they did nothing special in FA, had a decent draft and made the playoffs…..
but i get your point….draft picks are super important to the team with the position we’re in…..
#REALISTKNOWSNOTHING!!!!…GO BUCS!!!!!
March 13th, 2019 at 12:15 pm
813
I just worry that they don’t even think about these things. There is a reason the well managed teams tend to have more compensatory picks year after year.
I get we want to improve special teams, but I just hope they realize that it may cost them a 3rd or 4th round pick in 2020.
I’d rather them have gotten a guy off the street personally, or drafted one in the 7th this year, or find a P that isn’t a qualified FA in general, than risk tilting that formula the wrong way.
That may be kind of a crazy way to approach FA but when you’re rebuilding and in cap hell it seems to make perfect sense.
I like the Perriman signing but think the same thing in terms of preferring the comp pick if that’s what it came to. Buccanon was kind of necessary IMO given the state of defense. But punter/another WR sounded like luxuries.
If anything there was no need to rush to make these deals. These weren’t guys in high demand. Could have waited to see how many of your ex guys are getting deals and how it projects in comp picks and whether or not you want to knowingly give up 2020 picks for punters and depth WRs
March 13th, 2019 at 12:16 pm
and we’re not in total rebuild. The offense is basically built. It’s the defense that needs a complete transformation
March 13th, 2019 at 12:18 pm
Bobo or watson in the slot and perrimen #3!
March 13th, 2019 at 12:20 pm
3 names:
Zach Brown
Earl Thomas
Pierre Desir
Snag one. Make our back 7 better. Please.
March 13th, 2019 at 12:23 pm
“4 million down the toilet
Michael clayton has better hands than this bust
Should have had patterson for 2 yr 10 mill or wait for pierre garson
Both bobo and watson will outplay hands of stone
Gump being Gump”
Kobe Faker
March 13th, 2019 at 12:25 pm
@kobe
I’m on the gump’s a freaking moron page for sure now.
How do we not have a person that understands future draft picks. 3rd and 4th rounders are extremely valuable and you are risking those picks on luxury bullsh1t dumb4ss signings that no one else wanted.
I was fine with being quiet in FA. But you are finding a way to f*ck this up
March 13th, 2019 at 12:28 pm
SCbucs
The thing I will never understand with Jason Licht is why he avoid big time players when they are available in free agency. It’s not like Licht hasn’t wasted loads of money every year in free agency (which is why our salary cap is so low). He never spends it on proven NFL talent, except he trust his own bad judgement and waste it away on Vinny Curry type players.
March 13th, 2019 at 12:30 pm
Tbbucs:
The negativity stems from a roughly 33% winning pct !!
March 13th, 2019 at 12:32 pm
It is kinda funny all these posters expecting Bucs to sign big names when we had 3 mil in cap.
To be honest Now I hoped for 1 big name. Like Mathieu. But he got almost 14 mil a year.
And as you all saw, all big names got extremely big contracts … millions more then they should have gotten. So Bucs can’t play ball.
Perriman needs to stay healthy. You can’t evaluate a player if he can’t get on the field. I went to ucf but not a homer. I’m pulling for him but again , he’s had so many injuries that you get this mindset that it’s just a matter of time before another injury occurs . Bucs would be smart to let him not practice most days.
March 13th, 2019 at 12:34 pm
This is not a rebuild.
Arians confirmed it and even admitted the same since his window is closing to be a head coach. (Health reasons ) so he may go 3 years.
He is here to win now.
March 13th, 2019 at 12:34 pm
tbbucs3 is right on the money, this clown Licht is killing us with one paper cut at a time, draining all our money on bottom feeder free agents instead of signing one quality free agent. I would rather have 1 good free agent than 3 or 4 free agents that suck. Licht is a cancer and must be removed.
March 13th, 2019 at 12:39 pm
Compensatory picks are based on qualifying players, unrestricted FA, who are signed or lost. Compensation is based on salary, playing time AND postseason awards, per the NFL. The NFL does not publish their formula but many smarter than I have invested resources towards determining this. At the end of the season, qualifying player is assigned a draft number, this determines compensatory picks. The better your FA class does, the less likely your team will receive compensatory picks. If Kwon and Hump are pro bowlers, then the Bucs will likely receive compensation.
Over the cap has one of the best explanations. Playing the FA game to try to receive compensatory picks is a losers game. It is literally impossible to predict compensatory picks for 2020 now. Seattle didn’t receive Compensation because of how well their acquisitions did.
March 13th, 2019 at 12:41 pm
joestang when do you realize we don’t have the money this offseason to pay someone 15M. You can say Licht made the situation bad by previous moves and I’d agree but right now these moves can’t be made. You can’t let Smith go and sign someone worse on the left side who is cheaper, that player wasn’t available. People are complaining about signing a punter and a kicker but, hello, you need those guys to field a team.
March 13th, 2019 at 12:47 pm
As I (and a select few on here) have said on many threads prior, do your homework FIRST….then post. Don’t sound dumb. Reading comprehension is on you all individually.
Stop talking and READ. Courtesy of Over The Cap.
Compensatory Picks–The Basics:
As the NFL explains, compensatory picks are awarded to teams that lose more or better compensatory free agents than they acquire. The number of picks a team can receive equals the net loss of compensatory free agents, up to a maximum of four. Compensatory free agents are determined by a secret formula based on salary, playing time and postseason honors. Not every free agent lost or signed is covered by the formula.
Although the formula has never been revealed, by studying the compensatory picks that have been awarded since they began in 1994, I’ve determined that the primary factor in the value of the picks awarded is the average annual value of the contract the player signed with his new team, with an adjustment for playing time and a smaller adjustment for postseason honors.
In order to qualify for the comp equation, a player must have been a true Unrestricted Free Agent whose contract had expired or was voided after the previous season (i.e., he cannot have been released by his old team); he must sign during the UFA signing period (which ended July 27 last year); if he signs after June 1[*], he must have been tendered a June 1 qualifying offer by his old team; his compensatory value or contract value must be above a specific minimum amount; and he cannot have been permanently released by his new team before a certain point in the season (which seems to be after Week 10) or, possibly, before getting a certain amount of playing time, unless he was claimed off waivers by another team.
***Bottom line, Bucs will likely obtain 1-2 4th round or later (approximately) compensatory picks in 2020, provided Licht doesn’t sign anyone that makes say more than $5 million annually and plays 80% of the snaps next year. IT IS NOT A PLUS/MINUS NUMERICAL PRINCIPLE.
You’re welcome. And no, no one is going to provide retort back and forth if you have a reason to argue with the stuff above.
Go Bucs! Land Quinnen!
March 13th, 2019 at 12:50 pm
But the Bucs should ONLY be worried about sniffing the playoffs, not worrying about that circle jerk above^^^.
Go Bucs! Land Quinnen!
March 13th, 2019 at 1:05 pm
LC
you’re right…..
i hope they thought about losing picks…..
#REALISTKNOWSNOTHING!!!!…GO BUCS!!!!!
March 13th, 2019 at 1:09 pm
The Bucs can’t afford to rebuild. That is the saddest point. It is odd how all of the sudden after another terrible season for Bucs fans, and with no salary cap at all basically, and the same GM in place, Arians says he likes the guys he’s got. Really? THOSE guys? Yeah and let one of the most productive WRs the Bucs have had get away. But why would Arians care since he’s 67 and maybe has three years to coach? Well, because like most NFL coaches he’s got a lot of confidence in himself (that is realistic or not) and he likes a challenge. Well, he’s got one. So leaving last season, where the Bucs refused to part ways in trade deadline with DJax when they could have gotten something for him, and where they could’ve done the same with GMC who could have brought something (to give Koetter every chance to not be fired), only to go into this season with the same GM and a new HC who so far is saying all the things you’d expect for a losing team that has no money (basically a politician), and this looks like a rough year coming. I hope I’m wrong. But I’ve seen this movie before. I have a hard time believing this team has been so dysfunctional just because of coaching. I think it’s deeper.
March 13th, 2019 at 1:18 pm
From your link:
“The number of picks a team can receive equals the net loss of compensatory free agents, up to a maximum of four”
To me that does not reconcile with:
“IT IS NOT A PLUS/MINUS NUMERICAL PRINCIPLE.”
The quantification of draft picks is based on the “net loss of compensatory free agents” i.e. a plus / minus (“net”) calculation. Up to “four” as in the # using a calculation of plus/minus.
It doesn’t matter what rounds/value the qualifying FAs are for in terms of determining the net quantity of picks per that definition.
i.e you lose 2 players who would generate a 3rd and 4th round pick but
gain 2 players who would generate/be worth two 7ths
You would get no compensatory picks. At least that is the literal phenomenon that occurred with Seattle in 2018. Their qualified signings were rated as 7th rounders but they canceled out 4th and 5th rounders per overthecap’s own website.
Over the cap also currently projects the Bucs to have no compensatory picks due to 3 qualified signings vs losing just 2.
Now – I am sure if they don’t play this season due to injury, being cut, or whatever then they come out of the formula but I believe if they are on the roster all year and play at all they will likely count. Also the 1 year deal guys can always count towards 2021 if we burn and turn them if we want to really go down the rabbit hole lol. There is still flexibility and I get that I’m probably going over board but it’s just something I hope they consider.
Also for whoever said Seattle’s signings performed well and that’s why they got no picks this year for losing guys like Sheldon Rankins/Paul Richardson/Jimmy Graham:
Barkevious Mingo – 37 tackles 1 sack in 16 games
Ed Dickson – 12 catches in 10 games
Shamar Stephen – 10 tackles 2 sacks in 15 games
Jaron Brown – 14 receptions in 16 games (5 TDs tho)
DJ Fluker – #68 rated OG per PFF
meh
March 13th, 2019 at 1:51 pm
Used to be a saying in Commercial Real Estate and perhaps other businesses. Sometimes the very best deal is the deal you DON’T make!
I could care less that we are not among the teams that are clearly overpaying in what has become a total sellers market.
Another saying….buy low and sell high. Kwon was a 4th round pick…Hump wasn’t even drafted! DJAX wasted 20 million of our money but we didn’t spend anything in draft capital and we got a draft pick back for the lost 20 million!
For all the carping about Licht he must have an eye for talent. I’ve talked about “The Patriot Way” and how they let all their high priced talent walk and scarf up compensatory picks. Joe correctly pointed out that was because Belichick is perhaps the best mind ever when it comes to assembling talent.
The “best mind ever” not only had Licht as his college scout he promoted him to national scout. Belichick obviously thinks Licht has talent. And indeed this year is proof of Licht’s ability to go the “Patriot Way” if he hadn’t dabbled so much in FA. He has a 4th round pick who just broke the bank with the Niners…he has a freaking UDFA who cashed in big time. That is EXACTLY the “Patriot Way”. Find good young players and when they mature into over inflated salaries let them walk.
The draft is a crap shoot for sure…only thing worse is FA. How has that worked out for us so far…and not just for Licht but for Dominik and Allen/Chucky before him? Chucky’s obsessive love of vets made him a sucker in FA!
I’m far more concerned about how we fare in the draft. With all the QB’s going high now several mocks have us getting Josh Allen at 5. Then I hope we can combine a player trade/draft picks to move up enough to get White if he stays on the board past ten. About 2 out of three mocks have him going later than tenth. If we could somehow land both Allen and White in the same draft we might be talking about comparing to the great draft that got Brooks and Sapp.
March 13th, 2019 at 1:54 pm
Welcome to Tampa mr. perriman, these fans aren’t much better.
March 13th, 2019 at 2:13 pm
Perriman sounds like a good pickup with potential. I was actually hoping Bucs would pickup Kelvin Benjamin–it would be cool to see him make new magic with Winston. Play Godwin in the slot.
March 13th, 2019 at 2:18 pm
A team must “lose” at least 1 more qualifying free agent than they “gain” in a given year – in order to be considered for a compensatory pick the following year.
Lose 3 excellent players – then sign 5 stiffs = NOT eligible
Lose 4 and sign 3 = eligible for 1 comp pick
Lose 7 and sign 4 = eligible for up to 3 comp picks
The value of any comp pick for which a team is eligible – is then determined (secretly of course…. SMH) primarily by how much $ an individual player that was “lost” signed for (that’s the qualifier at least)…. but also by how much and how well the “lost” FA plays for his new team.
So lets use Kwon as an example – and assume that the Bucs will wind up with more “losses” than “gains”in the qualifying free agent dept:
With a $13.5M per year average contract Kwon easily qualifies for a comp pick – initially…..
But if this year were to wind up exactly like 2018 – IE: Kwon plays in only 5 1/2 games – blows out his knee again and goes on IR early.. (God forbid – and its just an example) – then there would be NO comp pick awarded to the Bucs in the 2020 draft for “losing” Kwon Alexander.
If Kwon has the type of year we’ve seen two out of his four seasons as a Buccaneer – IE: Plays pretty well as a full time starter but misses 3-4 games due to an injury (or another alleged “energy drink”) – then the Bucs would probably get like a 5th or 6th rd comp pick for him.
If Kwon “blows up” this year for the Niners – gets 150 tackles, 25 TFLs, 4 sacks, 3 Ints – and goes to the Pro Bowl – then the Bucs are 100% getting a 3rd Rd comp pick.
So it behoves Bucs fans to “root” for Kwon and Hump to do well with their new teams – at least in the coming year – because both will “qualify” for 2020 compensatory picks for the Buccaneers – assuming Licht is able to manage “losing” 2 more qualifying free agents in 2019 than he “signs”….
And trust me – the front office is WELL aware of how the comp pick award thingy works – and what they need to do to be eligible for comp picks next year…..
March 13th, 2019 at 2:23 pm
With Evans and Godwin on the outside and OJ running up the seam, Perriman/Watson/Bobo will all have plenty of underneath routes available. I can’t wait to see Watson this year, he is going to be a good WR in this league, just watch.
I was hoping for a couple of the better free agents until I saw the contracts being given out. None of these deals were worth it and I’m personally glad we stayed away. If Allen and Q are gone I think a trade down is a real possibility but with the signings and trades made, we have a real chance at getting one of those 2 guys, which would instantly improve our odds of competing this season.
March 13th, 2019 at 2:28 pm
It’s about time the Bucs have an off-season where they aren’t backing up the brinks truck for overrated players.
March 13th, 2019 at 2:30 pm
Thank you D-Rome. I don’t understand why people aren’t getting that.
March 13th, 2019 at 2:31 pm
Poster’s here be like “We shoulda signed Bell, overpaid Badger, and traded for AB and OBJ! This team sucks!”
March 13th, 2019 at 2:31 pm
Here’s a quote from another source….“Known for dropped passes in Baltimore, Perriman was as sure-handed as they came in Cleveland, and the Bucs are hoping to get the latter version of the speedy 6’2 Perriman.”
March 13th, 2019 at 2:34 pm
Earl Thomas to Ravens. Boy I thought he’d end up in Dallas.
March 13th, 2019 at 2:37 pm
Perriman is a good pick up for a bargain. 4.19 speed and he is coming home to FL.
Side note… i told ya all
Le’Veon Bell is a joke.
There is a reason only 1 fricking team ever showed interest.
He overplayed his hand.
March 13th, 2019 at 2:38 pm
He will be our return man
March 13th, 2019 at 3:01 pm
Perriman has never returned a punt or kick in college or Pros. This is another cheap reach by the Bucs. Buc fans are gonna know real quick if BA is the greatest coach since Bear Bryant or was this all a big spoof by Licht/Glazer Inc.
Lee Can we slip in a “spoof” on the Ira K podcast? Language arts at its finest gentleman.
March 13th, 2019 at 3:13 pm
wow lost adarius taylor to the browns. Another one bites the dust
March 13th, 2019 at 3:19 pm
Wouldn’t it had made more sense to sign a guard at 4m than a 4th string WR who will hardly ever touch the ball? Asking for a friend.
There’s like 4-5 WRs in the draft with 4.3 speed but wtfdik
March 13th, 2019 at 3:37 pm
doctor
AT was a player we shouldve tried hard to resign…..sad to see him go….
#REALISTKNOWSNOTHING!!!!…GO BUCS!!!!!
March 13th, 2019 at 3:42 pm
Anyone else notice….that the first comment on this thread was posted…….
…at 9:05 AM?!? It’s 3:40 pm. It is still….the most current article on JBF.
I guess the Oompa Loompa’s are on strike!!!
Go Bucs!
March 13th, 2019 at 3:42 pm
This guy basically gives us what you could expect from a 4th-5th round WR.
A guy with some promise you expect to win a job in camp. That’s all. Y’all gotta quit freaking out. We have plenty of capable hands on the roster to catch footballs.
Signing Perriman helps to open up the draft so we can attack it. Now you can look at the full scope…….not be reaching because you need WR depth. If a good WR drop you take him, if not you work with Perriman.
Jeez I never heard fans crying about signing a depth player. My suggestion is to become a day drinker like myself. That or take a chill pill.
First thing we need to do is get good then we can get great!
GO BUCS!!!!
March 13th, 2019 at 3:44 pm
Stout I agree. But it appears Joe was up late last night posting.
March 13th, 2019 at 3:44 pm
Honestly though Perriman could easily come in here and develope chem with Jamies. He can give us a couple at yarders every other game and do what DeSean Jackson never could!!!!!!
I can’t wait!!!!
March 13th, 2019 at 3:45 pm
Are the Joe’s ok? It has been quiet here today. We are getting worried.
March 13th, 2019 at 3:49 pm
Taylor signed with Brown’s.
March 13th, 2019 at 3:52 pm
What about Emmanuel Ogbah?
March 13th, 2019 at 3:52 pm
@Lord Corn and @pickgrin
Thanks for those articles about comp picks.
So if I have this right, we would need to sign an equal or lower # of players vs guys we lost, AND for less total money, to receive comp picks?
All I know is every year it seems like the Pats, Steelers, Seahawks and Packers always end up with multiple comp picks. Especially the Pats. Even though they always sign a few people.
Maybe we should just wait to sign anyone until after the draft… get tons of comp picks each year lol.
March 13th, 2019 at 3:55 pm
“So if I have this right, we would need to sign an equal or lower # of players vs guys we lost, AND for less total money, to receive comp picks?”
We need to sign a lower # than players lost period to get any comp picks
sign 4 / lose 5 = 1 pick
sign 4 / lose 7 = 3 picks
key is they have to qualify – so if we sign one and cut him mid season it won’t count – and vice versa – but guys like Kwon/Hump are on multi year deals. So is our punter tho lol
March 13th, 2019 at 4:21 pm
“LC,
Did we just lose our linebacker/special teams captain Taylor because Gump didnt have enough money to match the Browns?
Im wondering if Gump is going to lose Barber in front of our eyes”
Kobe Faker
March 13th, 2019 at 4:23 pm
Let’s go after Eric berry !
March 13th, 2019 at 4:53 pm
StoutGospel Says:
I guess the Oompa Loompa’s are on strike!!!
LOL. “We’ve get another puzzle for you!”
March 13th, 2019 at 6:47 pm
I think there are some mistakes among our posters but it may be me who is mistaken.
I did not read about any guaranteed money in this deal. Am I wrong or is the 4 million contingent on Perriman making the team? If that’s the case there is NO risk.
Perriman is not coming here to replace Hump. He is NOT a “possession” receiver. IE he doesn’t need great hands just adequate.
He’s actually faster than DJAX which is who he is replacing.
This move makes perfect sense IMHO.
Meanwhile to those who continue to trash Licht. Remember you are also trashing Belichik who not only had Licht as his college scout but promoted him to his national scout.
Honest people will concede that Licht’s drafts have been decent…average if you combine the great drafts with the poor drafts. He hasn’t fared as well in FA but many fail. FA’s are by definition another teams rejects. If they were worth the money…cap problems or not…their former teams would find a way. Many times they have injuries or other problems lurking just under the surface.
March 13th, 2019 at 9:36 pm
StPete. Some excellent points that nobody has even mentioned. Some fans are not thinking clearly due to seething rage. It can get annoying at times but overall it genuinely enhances the entertainment of the blog.
Maybe not cool to take joy in others suffering but just like a man taking a softball to the nuts ……it’s funny Everytime.