Jameis 20th Best
January 5th, 2019
There’s a well done weekly ranking of all starting quarterbacks at NFL.com that is informative and a shred entertaining.
It’s a pet project of Around The League chief Gregg Rosenthal. Joe enjoys soaking it in regularly but very rarely shares the findings here.
But now that the season is complete, the final rankings are a more interesting look. Wedged behind Mitch Trubisky and just ahead of Marcus Mariota is America’s Quarterback, Jameis Winston, ranked at No. 20 overall.
Winston finished in the top 10 in yards per attempt for the third year out of four, ranked eighth in QBR ahead of Jared Goff and 15th in DVOA. Those numbers seem to miss the delay of games taken, the situational struggles in the red zone and the throws that can’t be explained postgame by someone who plays with a high football IQ on so many other snaps. Winston started his career as a top-20 QB and hasn’t made much progress since then.
2018 stats: 11 games | 64.6 pct | 2,992 pass yds | 7.9 ypa | 19 pass TD | 14 INT | 281 rush yds | 1 rush TD.
Jameis ranked 17th in the NFL last year, per Rosenthal’s assessment. Joe didn’t argue with that, and Joe really can’t argue with this year’s ranking. But in both seasons, Jameis finished much stronger than he started, which just illustrates the inconsistency through his four-year career.
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It’s also why he’ll get a fifth season with the Bucs, an absolute rarity among four-year starters out of college who never reached the playoffs. Retired Texans QB David Carr was the last one in that boat.
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Man, it’s hard to win with a garbage defense, an inconsistent quarterback, no running game, and special teams that aren’t special. Yet still, many Bucs fans think this team is close.
January 5th, 2019 at 11:02 am
Team is close with the addition of a productive runner, an additional pass rusher, and at least one shut down corner. Scheme can fix the o line.
January 5th, 2019 at 11:02 am
Your last paragraph is basically like other than that how was the play mrs. lincoln. How is jason licht still employed?
January 5th, 2019 at 11:03 am
Considering his early complete melt downs this seems about right.
Would be interesting to see the post-benching rankings where he had 14 TD to 4 InT, of which 2 were not on him
January 5th, 2019 at 11:06 am
Maybe the new coach will fix things.
January 5th, 2019 at 11:06 am
Fix the defense, fix the o-line, and this team is good for 4 more wins next season. Even with an inconsistent QB and kicker.
January 5th, 2019 at 11:07 am
How many of Jameis’s yards were in GARBAGE time?
January 5th, 2019 at 11:09 am
Next year will be a very important year for Winston, let’s hope for the best!
January 5th, 2019 at 11:11 am
That’s simply not good enough for a number 1 pick.
January 5th, 2019 at 11:12 am
Where would we be with a decent running game and defense? Not reading this article that is for sure.
January 5th, 2019 at 11:23 am
Scotty in Fat Antonio Says:
January 5th, 2019 at 11:07 am
How many of Jameis’s yards were in GARBAGE time?
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January 5th, 2019 at 11:26 am
Spot on
January 5th, 2019 at 11:34 am
Give Jameis an average running game and an average defense and he will be top 10……
We have far greater problems than QB…..we need to improve the Oline and Dline and Dbacks…….
January 5th, 2019 at 11:35 am
We’re basically in the same spot as we were last year and asking the same questions. This franchise just knows how WASTE time and give their fans a disappointing, inferior product every year.
January 5th, 2019 at 11:37 am
Here come the stupid garbage yards argument. You guys do realize outside of the bears, the jucs weren’t blown out. And his qbr is number 8 in the NFL, which DOES include how close the game is. A little research is goes a long way to keeping the trolls looking stupid.
January 5th, 2019 at 11:39 am
I expect Jameis to have a break out year under BRUCE ARIANS especially after playing in Dirks QB UNfriendly System the past 4 years. Things will really start to slow down for him.
And if he can have great offseason with 0 off field troubles or distractions and come back ready for the 1st game with a clear mind, he will thrive.
January 5th, 2019 at 11:41 am
Joe we are close open your eyes !
January 5th, 2019 at 11:42 am
So B Grimes is a gonner. Good riddance I say after reading the article.
You sign a contract you honor it. Feeling disrespected for being told to do what he signed up for???????
GTFOH!!!!!
January 5th, 2019 at 11:53 am
Sounds about right. Building up the team with good balance should be the focus going forth…
January 5th, 2019 at 11:56 am
I think this is a fair assessment. If the new scheme is built around his strengths more than the last one, he will move up on that list considerably.
January 5th, 2019 at 12:01 pm
go ahead ..after 4 years and a #1 pick ..make yor excuses for Winston.
January 5th, 2019 at 12:15 pm
There’s no reasonable person who thinking Jared Goof is a better Qb. That’s silly. Rather have Foles? No. Rather have Jackson? No.
But these teams are in the playoffs? Why? Weak divisions mixed with easy schedules mixed with running games and defenses who can stop people.
Jameis isn’t the problem. He never has been. Please note that Aaron Rodgers, Cam, Ryan, Mariota, Roethlisberger, Stafford, Cousins, Eli aren’t in the playoffs either. QB is important, but it’s not a cure-all and CANT overcome glaring Defensive issues. It simply can’t.
Jameis should be resigned this offseason. That way he won’t press this year, and he’ll be CHEAP. Let’s plan for the future. If he dominates this year, we’re up a creek cap wise. Do it now.
January 5th, 2019 at 12:17 pm
Same posters everyday on all Winston articles. Some no matter what he does they don’t want him. Others make excuses for bad play. The facts are,
he has served his 3 game suspension which happened almost 3 years ago.
he improved in 2017 after his shoulder injury
he regressed in early 2018 for whatever reason you want to tell yourself
he improved again the last 6 1/2 games in 2018.
he has played his best ball of his career the last 6 1/2 games of 2018. All his stats seem close except for INTERCEPTIONS which are down to 2 realistic ones in the last stretch. Face it Koetter did Winston a favor by benching him with tough love. He looked like he finally ‘got it’. A better coach, a better defense, a better kicker and Winston will be closer to the top 10.
January 5th, 2019 at 12:18 pm
Hilarious comments on an article by Florio this morning about the Buccaneers needing to make a big splash coach hire. My favorite one so far is:
Buccaneers hope to make a big splash
Like a turd in the toilet
January 5th, 2019 at 12:24 pm
I think Jameis needs to keep away from that supposed QB whisperer duing the off season and suspension, George Whitfield. I don’t think George has done Jameis ANY favors. Here are QBs he has helped (LMAO!) so far.
I am thinking Luck dropped him like a rock soon pretty damn quick.
Andrew Luck
Jameis Winston
Johnny Manziel
Bryce Petty
Landry Jones
Tajh Boyd
Taylor Kelly
Braxton Miller
Connor Cook
Logan Thomas
EJ Manuel
Marquise Williams
Charlie Heller
Austin Appleby
Josh Allen
January 5th, 2019 at 12:24 pm
#1 pick who is number 20 (after 4yrs)?
Sure he always rally’s the last quarter of the season, kinda like he rally’s the last quarter of games…
And it’s usually just not enough.
January 5th, 2019 at 12:30 pm
This is a fair assessment of Winston and why I want to see him play out his final season with a new coaching staff. If Winston can’t improve on his 2018 season, then I’ll assum the Bucs will have another top 10 pick, which they can use on a QB in what appears to be a loaded QB class come 2020.
I’m hoping Winston can put it all together next season.
January 5th, 2019 at 12:32 pm
I think George Whitfield has really messed Jameis up during off season workouts AND during his 3 game suspension. Look at all the QBs under Whitfield’s tutelage. Except for Luck (probably dropped him like a rock), not an allstar cast. I would love to see a story on Whitfield.
Andrew Luck
Jameis Winston
Johnny Manziel
Bryce Petty
Landry Jones
Tajh Boyd
Taylor Kelly
Braxton Miller
Connor Cook
Logan Thomas
EJ Manuel
Marquise Williams
Charlie Heller
Austin Appleby
Josh Allen
January 5th, 2019 at 12:33 pm
I think this off season, I could almost care less about last year stats, I am sure the incoming coach(es) may not be too worried either, it’s time for everybody to put up or shut up, coach, play, win. That’s what we deserve and need as a fan base. Dungy ball was almost boring sometimes, obliviously you get that occasional Alstott or Warrick Dunn run, but we loved leaving the game eating a W
January 5th, 2019 at 12:37 pm
Look….truth hurts mahomes has no running game as good as hunt but he a better qb off the top
I say you draft haskins if he is better and let him be pushed and you have your backup worst case
There is no LT worth a top 5…..William’s from AL will be gone ….no Saquon RB bucs have to draft one PERIOD….n if you can get him why draft a scrub in the 2nd or 3rd that’s your lineman or CB picks
January 5th, 2019 at 12:38 pm
Someone out there is still throwing out the garbage time yards argument? This team was got all their yards in either the first half or second half. Outside of the first two games before people forgives Koetter offense out how much of futz yards were garbage time. Such a stupid argument considering only a couple games were blowouts.
20th best considered he was benched and suspended. I wouldn’t really worry about Winston as much as am worried for teams with Marcus Mariota and the other teams who’s quarterbacks were ranked behind that.
January 5th, 2019 at 12:40 pm
@ scotty
Those picks weren’t top tier / mid tier talent except for luck and wibatin …those other QBs like boyd were average to below …..
January 5th, 2019 at 12:43 pm
It aint the coach people.
It’s the gm
January 5th, 2019 at 12:44 pm
Winston*
January 5th, 2019 at 12:46 pm
Dirks whole offense had a red zone problem. Once saw that dumb ass run one receiver on a quick out and the other three just ran vertically into the end zone. Problem is tv hides a lot of that. MeJax was “open” on every play, but some how he had a defender on him every play. The whole route concept for that guy was run real fast in a straight line. The bigger problem with him was unless you put the ball in a target the size of a breadbox he wasn’t catching a thing.
January 5th, 2019 at 12:46 pm
Wish we we had mayock for GM now….all the good players …coaching up that scouting dept and most of all keeping Gruden in check on bad talent…that was his only downfall especially with qbs
January 5th, 2019 at 12:47 pm
Nate dubb Webster btw…wasnt one of em lol
January 5th, 2019 at 12:52 pm
I totally agree Scotty I’m Fat Antonio, have been saying that for a while now.
That dude is a FRAUD.
January 5th, 2019 at 12:52 pm
Mayock will be Grudens lap dog..
how do you think he got the job?
January 5th, 2019 at 12:53 pm
Jameis needs to cut George Whitfield off completely and look to someone with actual NFL quarterback experience.
January 5th, 2019 at 12:58 pm
My yardstick for good QB play is the TD %age minus the INT%age.
Nothing about wins because that is a TEAM statistic.
Nothing about yards because that means little, if you do not score points.
The last five NFL MVPs were all QBs, and had the following:
Their TD percentages during their MVP years were:
And subtracting their INT percentages yields:
2017 Brady = 5.5% – INT 1.4% = 4.4
2016 Ryan = 7.1% – INT 1.3% = 5.8
2015 Newton = 7.1% – INT 2.0% = 5.1
2014 Rodgers = 7.3% – INT 1.0% = 6.3
2013 Manning = 8.3% – INT 1.5% = 6.8
The majority of playoff QB’s always have a TD%age > 5%.
The higher the difference of those two percentages, the better the QB play.
Unfortunately you need BOTH to be a successful QB, i.e. throw enough TD passes to score points, while limiting INTs to keep from handicapping your defense. A simpler way to look at this is the TD/INT ratio, which is at least
2:1 for any QB to be in the conversation as being GOOD, let alone GREAT.
Despite being the #1 overall pick, in his 4th year starting, and having all of
those “weapons for Winston”, JW3 has not had even ONE season with twice as many TDs as INTs. Which of any of the younger (in number of NFL starts, not chronological age) QBs could we trade Winston for?
Mayfield? Watson? Trubisky? Wentz? Goff? Mahomes? All drafted after him!
tickrdr
BTW: Winston’s number for TD% – INT% for this year is 1.3, which is worse than the last two years, and ties his rookie number.
January 5th, 2019 at 1:04 pm
Tickrdr bringing knowledge.
January 5th, 2019 at 1:08 pm
Great post, tickrdr! 👍 👍
January 5th, 2019 at 1:09 pm
Just in from Rapoport…Sources: The #Bucs have real interest in former #AZCardinals coach Bruce Arians for their vacant head coach position, and the interest is mutual. The two could meet soon.
The guy is about a week off….CLOWN!
January 5th, 2019 at 1:22 pm
@SB and SteveK:
Thank you and a hat tip to both of you gentlemen.
tickrdr
January 5th, 2019 at 1:28 pm
dumb dumb Jamies barely has more TDs than he does turnovers
For God’s sakes man, we need the new HC to get Jamies a brain
We need a savior for the savior
Geezus Christ
January 5th, 2019 at 1:29 pm
Reposted from last week, so please ignore.
So, what number did this formula yield for the playoff QBs?
TD% – INT% = number for each QB
Russell Wilson = 6.6 5th seed in NFC
Patrick Mahomes = 6.5 1st seed in AFC
Drew Brees = 5.5 1st seed in NFC
Philip Rivers = 3.9 5th seed in AFC
Andrew Luck = 3.8 6th seed in AFC
Jared Goff = 3.6 2nd seed in NFC
Carson Wentz = 3.5 6th seed in NFC
Deshaun Watson = 3.3 3rd seed in AFC
Tom Brady = 3.2 2nd seed in AFC
Mitch Trubisky = 2.7 3rd seed in NFC
Dak Prescott = 2.7 4th seed in NFC
Lamar Jackson = 1.7 4th seed in AFC
tickrdr
BTW#2:
So which QB should be in the conversation for league MVP, and what is his TD% minus his INT%?
January 5th, 2019 at 1:29 pm
Good info tickrdr –
I am glad you put that up because I am sure the Favre comparison’s were coming soon.
January 5th, 2019 at 1:32 pm
Why is George Warhop still here?
January 5th, 2019 at 1:38 pm
Three of those last five MVPs did NOT make the playoffs (Manning retired)
So how did they perform this year compared to the playoff QBs?
Newton = 2.3
Ryan = 4.5
Rodgers = 3.9
It looks like Ryan and Rodgers certainly played at better than “playoff-level”, but agree with others that their supporting casts were not quite up to the task.
I AGREE with everyone’s favorite “straw man” argument that it takes a TEAM to win in the NFL.
Nevertheless, you have to have strong QB play as well to make the playoffs.
So far at least, Winston has not been that quarterback.
tickrdr
January 5th, 2019 at 1:42 pm
After four years in the same system with the same OC I, and I think most others, expected better. Next year we can add a new playbook to the list of excuses or will we lazily continue to blame his high turnover-rate, inaccuracy, forced-throws and both mental and physical meltdowns on the defense?
Oh yes, how is he behaving off the field? Answer: no one knows…until it’s too late, of course.
If the Bucs can upgrade, they must do it!
January 5th, 2019 at 1:49 pm
While the draft class is not great for QB’s if compared to next year… I wonder if Jameis has any kind of trade value atm? He would relieve $20 million off the cap that could be used on other areas of need plus whatever you can get in draft capital(2nd + conditional 4th round pick). IMO unless you really think Jameis has the tools both physically and mentally to be the franchise you cut bait now while he may have some sliver of value. Definitely not going to happen but it is something that the front office should explore.
I’d make a call to the Colts for Brissett or the 49ers for Mullins and see how cheap you can get them as a stop gap for a year(at worst) then become the backup in 2020.
Tua, Herbert, Patterson, Eason, Fromm looks a lot better than Haskins, Jones, Lock, Stidham, Grier
January 5th, 2019 at 1:54 pm
Hey tickrdr,
Your numbers are correct but the conclusion you draw is wrong.
Ask yourself if any of those playoff qb’s have a 1,000 yrd rusher on their team?
Oh, and don’t forget to include what the overall defensive rank is of all those playoff teams.
I guarantee none of them have less than a 1,000yds nor a league worst 32ranked D. Go ahead while we all wait for the retorical answers.
January 5th, 2019 at 1:58 pm
Bucs fans are infamous Kool-Aide drinkers
January 5th, 2019 at 2:01 pm
The only stat that matters about QB rating is where they rate in their own division. JW is the 4th best QB or the 1st worst QB in our division depending on which is easier for you to acknowledge.
January 5th, 2019 at 2:02 pm
Oh and since you mention our argument of this being a team sport, how does their offenssive line play compare to our atrocious Oline?
I don’t see Brees or Brady running for their lives every play. Thats right, they have a run game they count on.
Ask the Titans if they’d rather have Jameis over Mariotta and they would say hell yeah. If we had Mariotta, I guarantee you that we would have the #1 pick last three years in a row.
Ship Jameis to anywhere and watch him flourish…its the truth!
January 5th, 2019 at 2:03 pm
I’m surprised he’s 20th. That means there are 12 worse than he is. Boggles the mind.
January 5th, 2019 at 2:10 pm
Both D. Koetter and B. Arians offenses originate off the Air Coryell 4 vert offense. BA has a higher commitment to the running game and dump off passes to the running back so Winston should be able to transition with just an adjustment to the verbiage of the plays called.
January 5th, 2019 at 2:11 pm
I’m surprised he’s 20th. That means there are 12 worse than he is. Boggles the mind.
So from the movie Dumb and Dumber…..SO THERE IS HOPE!
January 5th, 2019 at 2:12 pm
Bruce Arians just “officially” interviewed with the Bucs for their Head Coach position.
January 5th, 2019 at 3:17 pm
@BelligerentBuc:
Welcome to JBF, as this seems to be your first post! Or is it? (new name, old poster?)
You are absolutely right that most of the playoff teams are more balanced with better offensive lines, better rushing attacks, better kickers, and better defenses,
but most of all BETTER QB PLAY in general.
I did look up the Eagles who are 12th in points allowed, but 23rd in yards allowed by their defense. Their leading rusher Josh Adams had 511 yards, and their second-leading rusher, Wendell Smallwood, had 364 yards, so between them they didn’t have 1000 yards, and ranked 28th in rushing for the season.
They did gain 47 yards more than the Bucs though, who were ranked 29th.
They made the playoffs because their QBs combined for TD percentage of 4.8%
minus INT percentage of 1.8% = 3.0
Again, I am not saying that JW3 should CARRY the rest of the team to wins and the playoffs by himself. I AM saying that his play to date has NOT equaled his pedigree as the #1 pick in the entire draft, especially after his FOURTH year in the league.
tickrdr
BTW#3:
Which of those younger QBs besides Mariota do you think we could trade for?
January 5th, 2019 at 3:30 pm
All the excuses are hilarious
He needs a new system
He needs a elite RB
He needs a better o line
He needs OJ Horward healthy all year
He needs DJAX to dive for over thrown balls
He needs DJAX to grow 4 inches to catch all his balls
Dirk Koetter hates him
The other team catches too well
If you criticize him you must like the Gators fan
Pathetic that the expectations for a #1 overall pick with over 55 games of experience is this low
January 5th, 2019 at 5:01 pm
SB and Steve
“Tickrdr bringing knowledge.”
Agree with you guys. It’s something he does whenever he has the time to show up here. One of our very best posters who totally gets the difference between “opinion” and fact that can be proven and he doesn’t hesitate to ID which he is posting.
@Tickdr I know Arians is not your patient and so I’m not sure you can even speculate about him but heart conditions in general are your speciality of course.
No way for you to know Arians condition without an exam but generally speaking would hiring a coach with a heart condition scare you? Seems to have freaked a significant portion of our posters. I’m prejudiced having had a mild heart attack a year and a half ago and I feel great. The major difference for me is that I take a med that prevents the spasms that caused the first attack. I feel certain I could coach the Bucs….if only I had the talent and experience. LMAO
BTW Tickdr….if we hire Arians you are my first nomination to be his cardiologist. That would be way cool for we JBF guys…talk about inside info. LOL Hopefully Buc news is not HIPAA protected.
January 5th, 2019 at 7:55 pm
I have said it for 2 years. Magoo is average. Not a franchise.
January 5th, 2019 at 7:56 pm
I have said it for 2 years. Magoo is average. Not a franchise qb.
January 5th, 2019 at 9:45 pm
Nothing but excuses for 4 years for Winston. Same crap. One more season and we ate finally done with that bag of crap.
January 5th, 2019 at 10:50 pm
Jay-Miss is not an elite QB. He never will be.
January 6th, 2019 at 1:08 am
@stpetebucsfan:
Thank you so much for the kind words, and a hat tip to you sir!
To be honest, I haven’t even read any info about Bruce Arians’ medical issues, if any, and even if any have been reported in the past; it would be pure speculation on my part to comment.
tickrdr
January 6th, 2019 at 4:14 am
Lol at this pile of trash list. Jameis is top5 and great for all of mankind on top of that.
January 6th, 2019 at 4:18 am
Fake Sports News Media looking for clicks… don’t agree with the list at all.
January 6th, 2019 at 5:26 am
Mariota doesn’t belong on the list. Here is the corrected top 5.
1. Jameis Winston
2. Tom Brady
3. Lamar Jackson
4. Phillip Rivers
5. Deshaun Watson
6. Drew Brees
7. Andrew Luck
8. Matt Ryan
9. Aaron Rodgers
10. Ben Roethlisberger
11. Patrick Mahomes
12. Jared Goff
No More Rateable QBs after that.
Worst QBs to take a snap this year.
Ryan Fitzpatrick
Marcus Mariota
Blake Bortles
Cam Newton
Joe Flacco
January 6th, 2019 at 9:55 am
Winston has to understand that he can’t improve on his physical talent only. His entire outlook on preparing for Sunday’s has to be adjusted. He’s lived and died by making the tough throws and he’s missed too many easy throws.
I believe his problems can be corrected with him buying in on:
Learning to look off defenders and not locking in to his favorite targets
Speeding up his delivery/release, learning to “flick” the ball on short throws instead of throwing it with high velocity, low trajectory
Getting the ball to his running backs when he senses pressure instead of holding on to the ball and trying to make the big play
If I was him I’d be watching all the film I could of Drew Brees as he is the master of getting the ball out quick. To me as a fan I just think Winston is just a 8th of a second slower in reading defenses and getting the ball out than the top tier quarterbacks.