Don’t Repeat History

November 17th, 2018

The Bucs are known for two things in their franchise history: losing and giving up on quarterbacks who succeed after they bolt the Tampa Bay area.

And one reason Connor Orr of suggests the Bucs should keep America’s Quarterback, Pro Bowler Jameis Winston, is not to write another chapter in the franchise’s ugly chronicles.

Here’s why I’m tempted to say yes: Winston was the No. 1 overall pick in the draft. And even though there could be a different coach and different general manager, people hate giving up on No. 1 picks–especially quarterbacks. The fear that he will stumble into a better situation and maximize his potential is real–almost as significant as the fear that they’ll bring him back for $20 million and he’ll wind up on the bench again. If the Buccaneers make a coaching change, there will also be a curiosity as to how he’d perform with a different offensive coordinator.

Near once every decade, the Bucs give up on a quarterback who leaves and then leads his new team to a conference championship. The Bucs have four quarterbacks who did just that. Three of them won rings.

The four QBs are Doug Williams, Steve Young, Vinny Testaverde and Trent Dilfer. Only Testaverde did not win a ring.

Joe is a big history guy. Huge history guy. And Joe very much believes in the history axiom, “Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it.”

Let’s not repeat the Bucs’ sordid past. Bring America back in 2019!

77 Responses to “Don’t Repeat History”

  1. Lamarcus Says:

    It’s not about history. Koetter staff always been a “coaches coach players play” mentality. Toss in the player DIY development philosophy.

    Get another coach to put eyes on every talent as I think we don’t need to rebuild the offense and certain players on defense can stay. Just needs the teaching and coaches.

    Don’t go steam rolling everyone. Cut djx, Fitz, grimes, Conte, Glanton , Lynch, Elliot, Benenoch and Donovan smith , Dotson. And you have 60 mill to play with and that’s with keeping JW

  2. Bucs Fan #7423 Says:

    I think those guys needed to leave Tampa to get a ring. Beta male glazers are horrible NFL owners

  3. JimmyJack Says:

    I have my own opinions about Winston but my thoughts don’t matter.

    Only one guys opinion matters and we all know it’s not a Glazers. The next head coach of this football team should have the ability to make that decision. I pray we get a good football coach but that doesn’t seem to happen around here.

    Just take my top 2 choices…. Garrett or Fox and we will be fine.

  4. JimmyJack Says:

    Meanwhile everybody is concerned about the quarterback and the coach but the biggest concern needs to be on Jason Licht. He is the Glazers annointed captain…….Just like Lovie before him and Dominick and Gruden.

  5. Alaskan Abdominal Snowman Says:

    This is nothing new, plenty of people have been saying the same things for weeks on this site.
    The Bucs are not repeating history, they are reinventing stupidity. That has to be the goal.
    Let’s sit our 24 year old, former number one overall, record breaking quarterback for a journeyman QB and a coach who is halfway out the door. If the Glazers were leaders and gave a funk, this would never be happening.

    Why is Dirk still here? Really? He maybe could’ve saved face by saying look I developed Jameis and he is doing so well because of me. Now he just looks like a failure and quitter in that regard. I’m done with these fools, sucks because I really liked Dirk but this is BS and more embarrassment than I can tolerate.

  6. Jean Lafitte Says:

    Fine …let’s continue to lose while we’re at it

  7. Jean Lafitte Says:

    Even in your own words “Don’t Repeat History” but yet here we are. How many coaches do you need to facilitate at least the notion that maybe JW isn’t it? We’re in year 4. So far 2 regimes several coaches later and we’re gonna worry about a player that might do better somewhere else. 4 years? What do we sign him for now? I know what, just to insure that he will be here forever we sign him to the richest contract ever in Buccaneer history. That should buy us a Super Bowl or at this point just post season. That’s how low we have lowered the bar.

  8. Rod Munch Says:

    Here’s a fun fact: Jameis is literally the best QB in team history. He was benched after a bad road game by a coach who is literally throwing a hissy fit because he was forced to fire his buddy Mike Smith, and he’s just burning the team down on his way out the door. I know the Glazers don’t fire people during the season, but Dirk deserves to be the exception to the rule.

  9. James Walker Says:

    Winston has 10+ years at QB ahead of him, bar injury, he will win a SB somewhere. Hopefully in Tampa.

  10. Pickgrin Says:

    Of course Winston will be back in 2019. Duh.

    What’s stupid is Dirk expecting anyone to accept his own misguided idea that somehow – Fitz gives the team a better chance to win.

    Did you WATCH the Skins game coach? Of course you did. More often and more closely than I did surely. So why the fluck is Ryan Fitzpatrick still your “starter”??? Winston may well have won that game. Sure its hindsight to say that but there’s a big difference “hope” wise for this season (and your job btw) between 4-5 and 3-6.

    Fitz’ weak ass arm is a serious liability at this point in his career and I have seen that myself on numerous throws over the last 2 weeks. Throws that Jameis can easily make. WOULD have made…

    You can continue to work with Winston on his “decision making” if that’s your alleged reason for not letting your franchise QB play out his contract year – but there’s not a damn thing you can do to add velocity to those weak ass throws that Fitz is lobbing up (for grabs all too often).

    If ‘Decision Making’ and the often associated ‘ball security’ issues you understandably have with Winston are indeed the deciding factor as to who you started last week and this week – then would you care to explain why weak armed Fitzpatrick who has 4 TDs and 6 turnovers (4 Ints, 2 Fumbles) over his last 2 games (that Winston should have started) – somehow gives this team a better chance to win than Winston??? He doesn’t! So I guess there is no explanation to give….

    Just stupid lip service.

    Sorry coach – but you lost my support starting Fitzpatrick last week and especially this week! I understand pulling Jameis in Cincy as he was having one of the worst games of his life and has been quite inconsistent ever since coming back from suspension. I can even sort of understand starting Fitz vs Carolina for the same reasoning and since Fitz played so well the first 2 games of the season…

    But now that Fitz is 0-4 in his last 4 starts and is turning the ball over just as much as a struggling Winston was – what’s the damn point of starting him this week vs a beatable Giants team sitting with a record of 3-6. You think Fitz is going to reel off 7 straight wins and save your job? Fat chance. More like NO chance…

    Winston gives this team a better chance to win on any given Sunday than Ryan Fitzpatrick does. Refusing to acknowledge that for whatever obviously “personal” reasons you have is basically the final straw that will break the camel’s back – transforming you into a former NFL head coach much sooner than you would have surely liked…

    But hey – at least you did it “your way” – right coach K?

  11. Alaskan Abdominal Snowman Says:

    Yah Winston hasn’t played 4 years.
    I keep seeing that in peoples argument and I wonder if they really think he has played 4 years or are they regurgitating the BS they read and come and parrot it here.
    It’s simple math, 16 game season, Winston has played 48 games.
    If your not a word problem guy, 48/16=3
    If your still lost, Jameis has played 3 seasons and the coach has completely screwed him out of his 4th year.
    So he breaks many many records, goes 9-7, and makes a pro bowl in 3 years soooooo, let’s sit him in year 4?
    What the heck is going on here?

    If you don’t like Jameis because of who he is or what you think he has done, fine, but stop trying to make it a football argument. Besides a couple games Jameis has PROVEN that he belongs and his work ethic is legend at one buc place. Dude is only gonna get better, I only hope Glazers are smarter than to listen to this BS mob that want him run out of town.

  12. WalkdaPlank Says:

    You know who has thrown the most TD passes in Buccaneers history?

    Hint: it ain’t any of those guys above and it ain’t America’s Turnover Machine

    It’s Josh Freeman

    We let him walk and history did not “repeat itself”. Jameis will end up just like Josh

  13. Tampaspicer Says:

    I can’t wait for this season to end. This season is an on going nightmare at this point. Clean house because this teams is BAD!!!!! Way to many holes need to be filled by next season and I don’t think the draft or free agency will fill them all. It might not be until 2020 when we possible start to see a turn around.

  14. Nate Says:

    That’s a common but WEAK ARGUMENT for 2 reasons …..

    3 of those quarterbacks were under hall of fame coaching or with hall of fame players (SF bill Walsh / younf hall of fame system…..Trent Dilder/ hall of fame defense some argue even better than. the bucs …..

    and WA/ Doug William’s both hall of coaching and players….Joe Gibbs ans some of the hogs on the kn

  15. Bad Influence Says:

    Bye bye Jameis despite the Saints, Falcons, Panthers, and the Joes wanting you to stay in Tampa.

  16. John B Says:

    Now we all know why Dirk was in the league 20 years and never got a chance to be a HC – he is mentally weak, and his team is a living example of why you can’t over promote people with limited skill sets

    He needs to go yesterday

  17. stpetebucsfan Says:

    Why are we known as the team that lets QB’s get away to greatness. Because of OUR revisionist history.

    Doug Williams had a magical year when he filled in for an injured starter during the Redskins SB year…and Doug did win the MVP.
    Outside of that though he was hardly the “great” player who got away.

    Williams retired with a 5-9 record as Redskins starter (8-9, counting playoffs) and a 38-42-1 record as a regular season starter (42-45-1, including 7 playoff starts).

    Trent Dilfer? Trent DILFER? Is anybody here really gonna talk about greatness with him…oh yeah perhap the greatest defense in the NFL on that Baltimore team that won Dilfer his ring.

    Vinnie Testeverde was a solid journeyman QB with an incredibly long career. Because he played 21 seasons he’s in the top ten in most NFL passing categories and he’s the only QB in the top ten in those categories not in the HOF.

    It hardly means he was an HOFer though. His regular season winning % of 42% is the lowest of any QB with at least 70 wins.
    His 123 losses as a starting QB is an NFL record. He played in five post season games going 2-3.

    I like Vinnie Testeverde but he was a journeyman not a true star.

    Steve Young. A STAR!!! So there it is. One out of four who left us for stardom. For some reason we act as if all four of those guys are in the same category.

    It’s literally insulting to mention Vinnie Testeverde, Doug Williams and Trent Dilfer in the same sentence as Steve Young.
    One was a true loss…the other three…meh.

  18. Dooshlarue Says:

    You should be running some Democrats political campaign Joe.
    You sound almost convincing yet totally desperate.
    Jameis will continue to suck and have another off-field incident that will get him banned from the NFL.

    He will then become a MLB pitcher and have minor success.

  19. B Says:

    Get Saban from Bama.

    Bring back Monte for defence/see about D. Brooks.

    Get a new o line going, one who want to play a full game, can block for q back and running back.

    Get coaches who can develop players!!!!!

  20. Dooshlarue Says:

    Oh yeah B, that’s some real modern thinking there.
    23 skidoo.

  21. D1 Says:


    I would rather see winston start but there’s nothing that stats can support. Fitz turned the ball over….Winston less games more ints, hasn’t got more TDS than ints, QB rating is not even close, completion % Fitz higher, TDS % almost double %, more long throws, you see its not going to be good to keep going

    . Everyone who loves jw and hates Marcus mariota repeated a million times do you want a QB with more ints than TDs. …….karma absolutely turned around and kick you guys squarely in the lady parts. So we ain’t talking Fitz v winston. ..nope it’s Fitz v mariota. …..

    There’s nothing wrong with saying, I want to see winston. Trying to discredit dirk, Licht and the Glazer’s (don’t think for a second they didn’t sign off) is like whizzing into the wind.
    There is no case that says you’re right and they’re wrong…’s your opinion. That’s it and it’s 10000000% less informed than they are.

  22. Defense Rules Says:

    Joe, we need more backward-thinking opinion-pieces like this. Let’s see, we could title them ‘Don’t get rid of Jameis because he MIGHT succeed somewhere else’. Ya, that’d work.

    Should we keep Jameis? Personally I think we should, but only so that the next HC & OC can work with him for a year and evaluate him. $21 mil for a POTENTIAL franchise QB is peanuts nowadays. IF he works out under a new regime next year, franchise tag him & see IF he can do it again. And IF he does (and doesn’t implode again along the way), franchise tag him AGAIN & see IF he can do it yet again (without imploding of course) THEN consider a long-term contract.

    Funny thing though … Glazer Boyz didn’t ask my opinion (Bummer!). I’m gonna guess that they didn’t ask yours either Joe. Anyone who thinks though that Jameis is sitting right now because ‘Koetter is throwing a hissy-fit’ is delusional. The Glazer Boyz have a plan (as misguided as it most likely is) and they’ve signed off on Jameis riding the bench. And yes, I’d bet anything that THEY were the ones who ordered the sacrifice of Scapegoat Smitty, not HC Koetter. And I’d also bet anything that come the end of the year (if not before) we WON’T be listening to the Glazers singing the theme song from ‘Welcome Back Koetter’. Or even them singing ‘I’ve Seen the Licht’.

  23. THETRUTH Says:

    B: get over the Tampa 2 , bring back monte haha let’s talk knowledgeable not with your heart.
    Enough with D brooks already

    Saban I agree but don’t thunk possible.

    If Joe goes by history last bama coach destroyed us

  24. Jim Says:

    I think letting Winton hit the NFL market would be great. It would eliminate the love factor and show how the NFL really feels about him. Tampa Bay could find another QB while fixing the defense and O line…

  25. Pete I Says:

    4 wasted years on Winston so far, and 2019 looking to be more of the same.

  26. Etzel Says:

    Lamarcus has the right idea, except he forgot one… GMAC!!!

  27. SchwiftyBuc Says:

    Been saying it for weeks now. The G’s need to fire Koetter, the entire coaching staff, Fire Licht and the entire front office, and then hire either a Bonafide football mind or a Research Firm to hire the next Head Coach and GM combo.

    Then we need to end the damn curse and resign Jameis beyond 2019.

  28. SchwiftyBuc Says:


    If Winston hits the open Market. He will be signed by either New England or Pittsburgh.

  29. El Buco Realisto Says:

    El Buco Realisto Says:
    November 14th, 2018 at 8:11 am
    No way Djax stays!!!! We all know that the new GM and retread coach will be under orders to “fix jw3” !!!! In other words a lesser retread will be hired and another year will be wasted for what we already know!!!!!!!!! Bucs should be looking for Qb to draft in 2019, but will in 2020!!!!! 4 wins in 2019!!!!!!!!!!!

    GO Bucs!!!!!!!!!!!!

  30. Im tired and 87 is right Says:

    Bring Jameis back!

  31. SchwiftyBuc Says:


    Still don’t understand how someone who was so outright and blatantly critical of Lovie Smith for all of his obvious faults can just sit there, put on a pair of blinders and delude themselves from not seeing just how bad of a Head Coach Dirk Koetter is.

    How many effing games do you need to see him get out-coached before you see whats really there you supreme fool?

  32. SchwiftyBuc Says:

    In case you didn’t notice Ol’ Fitzy and your man crush Dork Koetter are 0-4 in their last 4 games together. But Jameis is still the problem right?

  33. OneBuc55 Says:

    Imo, Winstons season was doomed before it even started…

    The 3 year old Uber incident really hurt him and the team…he lost snaps all through training camp, he lost first-team snaps all through preseason, he missed the first three games, and he came back out of sync…I understand why he was benched in Cincy, but I think the better option would have been to let him work through it, not bench him indefinitely…


  34. BrianBucs Says:

    Winston will never be any more than he is right now, a turnover machine and a problem on and off the field. It doesn’t matter who he plays for. Let him go and be somebody else’s problem and let the new Bucs regime draft or trade for a True Franchise QB

  35. Pete I Says:

    Yes Swifterbuc, Jameis is the problem.

    But so is Koetter, the coaches, the owners and of course fans like you.

    Spread the blame…

  36. Oneilbucs Says:

    When will yall learn . We say after every single game that our defense suck . We need to keep Jamies and build a good defense. This is a draft that we can build a defense. I don’t want to here about a quarterback this draft. If we don’t get a defense it doesn’t matter if Russell Wilson or Rogers playing quarterback we are going to lose without a defense. The Panthers did a good job for building around Cam they gave him a chance to be successful by giving him a running game and a defense that’s another reason why the Panthers win not just Cam. But they never did that with Jamies. Djax and Howard which Howard is good but he didn’t need Djax at all .Jamies played better without Djax on this team. Defense defense defense is what we need not quarterback.

  37. Rayjay1122 Says:

    Prior QB’s who left Tampa to have nice successful careers elsewhere only had success because they left Tampa. I bet Steve Young would never have one playoff win if he stayed in Tampa.

    I can’t apologize for this team anymore. They suck and seem to be cursed. We had our short run at success. Nor happening again unless the entire culture changes.

  38. ben Says:

    Joe,, you man crush is way out there,huh ?

  39. Cobraboy Says:

    So, Joe, if you are a “big history guy” why do you ignore Winston’s history, both on and off the field?

    Seems Licht DID ignore much of Winston’s history and is now doomed for ignoring it.

    IMO, the Bucs DID give Winston a shot after coming off the Uber incident. Fact is for months there was speculation, even among the Joes, that the Glazers and the F.O. may decide to wash their hands of Winston after his actions and bald-faced lies to them.

    So they kept him and gave him a shot to redeem himself. And he failed badly.

    I, for one, do NOT think the benching of Winston is Koetter’s decision alone. Has anyone asked any of the Glazers, or pinned down Licht to answer the alleged “mystery” of Winston’s benching?

    It’s clear to me why he has not been inactivated: his trade value would go down if the league knew definitively he is not in the Buc future plans.

    I will not be shocked if the guy is traded to a QB hungry team for 2019. He’s worthy of a couple of good pics, or a player and a pick, both of which the Bucs could use on defense. I’d like to see you guys do some Will Grier hype.

    I wanna see some Ryan Griffin. Let’s see what he could bring to the table.

  40. Alanbucsfan Says:

    Replace Koetter, OLine coach and hire defensive minded head coach, a young one who relates to players’ generation.
    Draft OLinemen and DLinemen early.
    DO NOT cut or trade or release Jameis unless he has another personal issue.
    Any football issues are correctable.

  41. miken Says:

    If you think giving up on trent and vinny wasn’t the right call then you are crazy. If you think steve young would have done what he did with Walsh in Tampa then same. If you make a decision on Jameis with having the last 40 years of Buc football playing a part in your decision then you shouldn’t be in football

  42. LakeLand Says:

    Steve Young was 31 years old, before he became the starting QB for the 49ers. 31 years old before he made the Pro Bowl.

    The 49ers won 3 Super Bowls during Steve Young 13 seasons in San Francisco

    2 as a backup to Joe Montana
    And one as the starting QB

  43. jmarkbuc Says:

    Damn Joe

    Really going for the low hanging fruit here huh?

    This topic has already been argued to death.

    Anything to keep your dream alive, I suppose

  44. Dooshlarue Says:

    St. Pete

    Excellent information.

  45. Danny Says:

    What nonsense.

  46. Bucko40 Says:

    Winston is never gonna amount to anything in this league. He simple can’t read defenses and he’s limited in his arsenal of throws. Dilfer mearly won a Super Bowl based on the Ravens Defense. Willams was let go in a contract dispute with High Culverhouse not because he was lacking in talent. Only Young was a undeveloped QB. Vinny was merely a serviceable starter but never consistant enough.

  47. cw_buc_crazy Says:

    Lets forget the time of leather heads, let take a look of resent history.
    So here is the new millennium QB losers list the Bucs got and got rid off. Getting rid was WERY GOOD decision. Non of them is a winner.
    They should fear not to get rid of JW as well.

    Shaun King (looser)
    Brad Johnson (SB winner and was not our draft)
    Chris Simms (looser and lost his spleen)
    Bruce Gradkowski (looser)
    Tim Rattay (looser)
    Jeff Garcia (looser)
    Luke McCown (looser)
    Brian Griese (looser)
    Byron Leftwich (looser)
    Josh Johnson (looser)
    JOSH FREEMAN (looser)
    Josh McCown (looser)
    Mike Glennon (looser)
    JAMES WINSTON (Big time looser)
    Ryan Fitzpatrick (looser and active)

  48. Dapostman Says:

    Jameis Winston when the Bucs defense gives up 24 pts or less. 24 pts is the league average.

    2015: 5-2
    2016: 9-0
    2017: 3-5
    2018: 1-0

    18-7 when the Bucs defense plays average or above average. Like most young QB’s when they don’t have to do as much they win. If you are asking a 21-23 yr old immature QB to save your butt you are asking for trouble. For all the folks with Winston Derangement Syndrome the GREAT Aaron Rodgers is 4-5-1. His offense is averaging 24.7 pts and his defense gives up 24.3 pts per game. AVERAGE all the way around.

  49. Bucsfan3 Says:

    Keep Jameis! Bring in a new coach and scheme.

  50. cw_buc_crazy Says:

    100% correct

  51. lurker Says:

    article also stated:

    Here’s why I’m tempted to say no: The obvious. His off-the-field record is troubling to say the least. His teammates seemed to respond much better to Fitzpatrick and it would be difficult to trust him moving forward. Making him play out his one-year option would put Tampa in another sticky situation. If Winston plays marginally well, he’ll need a top of the market APY on his next contract. If he doesn’t, the franchise has significantly delayed its ability to find its next quarterback.

  52. Kansas95Buc Says:

    “Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it.”

    and that folks is the truth bomb of the day!

  53. Kansas95Buc Says:

    and for those who wanna cite off field issues, when is the last time you heard about Winston doing something outside of Uber that happened years ago? Don’t worry, I’ll wait….

  54. lurker Says:

    what a silly question from a silly person.

    his uber assault affected the team this year. doesn’t matter when it “happened”. That is why he was suspended by the nfl.
    he also promised when drafted he was done with stupid off-field issues. obviously can’t keep his word.

    who knows what else is waiting. bucs took a gamble. don’t need to risk more for and average qb.

  55. jmarkbuc Says:


    You’re not seriously comparing Aaron Rodgers talent to Jaymiss’s?

  56. Dapostman Says:


    Can you explain why Aaron Rodgers is 4-5-1 this season? He has a true #1 receiver and a pretty good TE in Graham. He also has a good RB in Aaron Jones who’s better than any RB the Bucs have. His defense is AVERAGE but his record is below average. Can you explain how the best QB in the NFL with an average defense is below average in winning? Aaron Rodgers can make all the throws and still his team is below average. Aaron Rodgers doesn’t turn the ball over but his team is still below average in winning. I’ll wait.

  57. jmarkbuc Says:


    You’re not seriously comparing Aaron Rodgers talent to Jaymiss’s?

  58. Dapostman Says:


    still waiting…………………………..

  59. lurker Says:

    #1 aaron rodger is not the best qb in the league right now

    #2 aaron rodgers is injured. did you see the chicago game?

    #3 should i put up aaron rodger’s stats?

    Jameis Winston
    G Cmp% Yds TD Int Rec W/L Fum/FRec
    49 61.2 12817 75 54 19-29 35/16

  60. Dapostman Says:


    #1: Aaron Rodgers is widely known as the NFL’s best QB. You saying he is not does not make it a fact.

    #2: So Aaron Rodgers gets a pass on a knee injury which he isn’t even wearing a brace for but Winston injurys his throwing shoulder in 2017 and his detractors say he sucks.

    #3: Yes put up the great Aaron Rodgers stats for 2018 and then please explain why he is a losing QB this year. I mean surely a QB with an average defense and a 19-1 TD/INT ratio should be winning.

    #4: Funny how you want to throw stats out when it benefits your Winston Derangement Syndrome. I thought winning is what matters with you folks.
    Aaron Rodgers = 4-5-1.

  61. lurker Says:

    just because you say aaron rodgers is the best qb does not make it so. just silly. that is your opinion, not a fact. smh

    so you are saying you would rather have jameis winston than aaron rodgers, though you say aaron is the best qb? what point are you trying to make?
    winston is not worth $20.5 million or more; on or off the field.

    i was all in on jameis christ as the franchise savior. i was fooled.

  62. Oneilbucs Says:

    And the packers have a losing record with Rogers cause the defense is not good . But Jamies has always had a poor defense even when he put the team in position to win they give up the game but some kind of way Jamies gets blame for the loss and Rogers don’t. I wonder why .

  63. SilverBuc Says:

    I wonder how many interceptions and fumbles the Turnover Factory Fitztragic will have on Sunday. He’ll be sure to add to his record total.

  64. Dapostman Says:


    I never said I would rather have Winston over Rodgers. The point I’m making for the obtuse crowd is as good as Rodgers is he has a losing record. As good as Brees is he had a 3 year stretch of losing. You calling a 21 year old immature kid a franchise savior is part of the problem with Buc fans. The expectations like the rent ARE TO DAMN HIGH! Jameis Winston is one piece of a 53 piece puzzle. He can not save your beloved Bucs. That must be a team effort. Once Winston stops trying to rescue these scrubs his game will improve because he won’t take as many chances. They also need to can Mr. Flip Flop Dirk Koetter. These guys need structure not a tumbleweed chasing Flip Flopping head coach who can’t figure it out. Dan Marino never went back to the Super Bowl after the 84 season and he had Don Shula and Jimmy Johnson coaching him. TEAM EFFORT is required to turn this mess around and it starts with a Head Coach who will be structured. Jim Harbaugh would be my first choice by far.

  65. BucEmUp Says:

    Bruce Arians will come here with Buckner, run a 3-4 Press defense, he will play Noah Spence at olb and win a championship with Jameis Winston at qb. IF ….he comes here.

  66. lurker Says:

    silly man and his name calling

    winston is great and the franchise but not the savior,
    it is all koetter’s fault? you are wrong.

  67. TampaBayBucsFan Says:

    BrianBuc with the idiot comment of the day. You don’t just trade for “franchise QBs!” SMH!

  68. lurker Says:

    perhaps the qb is a big problem. he is not worth the $20.5 million and has had 4 years to figure it out. he has regressed on the field and broken his promise off the field. perhaps he will be someone else’s reclamation project, but not at $20+ million per year.

  69. Dre Says:

    Jameis Winston has shown the past 3 years he is inconsistent, can’t win and he’s a turnover machine … good riddance…. joe open your eyes

  70. DaPostman Says:

    According to lurker and others Winston who is 1-2 this year and paid peanuts isn’t worth 20 million next year when Rodgers 4-5-1 should be 4-6 & Matt Ryan 4-5 are getting paid over 30 million per year. Hopefully the Glazers aren’t taking advice from this crowd who think a QB savior can take them to the promise land.

  71. Alaskan Abdominal Snowman Says:

    Again Jameis has had 3 years not 4 ( 48 games/16= 3 years). His sorry excuse for a head coach is taking his 4th season away.

    Dre- Jameis has gone 9-7, so he has proven that he CAN win in this league.

    He is one of the most accomplished young QBs in the entire history of football. This cannot be argued, it is fact. He has proven he can hang. Sorry but 1 or 3 bad games isn’t going to convince me he can’t still be a franchise QB.

  72. lurker Says:

    last 2 franchise quarterbacks. freeman had a 10-6 year. both had off-field issues. winston will next be suspended a year. rodgers and ryan have both gone to the playoffs, super bowl so yes, are worth the money. winston has only shown a proclivity towards aggression.

    Jameis Winston
    G Cmp% Yds TD Int Rec W/L Fum/FRec Sak
    49 61.2 12817 75 54 19-29 35/16 108
    (2018) 4 64.9 1181 6 10 1-2 4/0 13

    Josh Freeman
    G Cmp% Yds TD Int Rec W/L Fum/FRec Sak
    60 58.2 13534 80 66 24-35 38/13 110

    PS glennon and josh mccown aren’t worth the lookup.

  73. TBTemojin Says:

    You want a starting QB who isn’t a rookie then you’re going to pay him in the area $20 Mil!!!! Hell Tyrod Taylor made something like $18 mil this year. Case Keenum about the same. And mark my words Fitz will be asking for close to that mark next year. Jameis will be here next year and if we suck it will put us in a good position for Tua in 2020.

  74. lurker Says:

    tua will not have any knees left by the time he comes out.

  75. Alaskan Abdominal Snowman Says:

    So thanks for proving Jameis and Freeman’s stats are not close. Jameis has outpaced him in every category.
    Jameis has taken 2 less sacks in 11 less games and only about 700 less yards and 5 less TD.
    He blows Freeman out of the water and Freeman was pretty dang good in 2010, but his defense knew how to hold onto a lead and they could run the ball.
    Jameis isn’t the greatest QB I’ve ever seen but he is the best I’ve seen in a Bucs uniform. He deserves to play here and 21M is chump change for a good QB these days. No brainer to keep him and play him.
    Unfortunately that’s what our coach is, a no brainer.

  76. lurker Says:


    their stats are more similar than different.

  77. Mord Says:

    stpetebucsfan’s comment wins the thread