Crushing Contrast For Jameis

October 28th, 2018

It’s one thing for a starting QB to get benched for a journeyman quarterback when he’s having a garbage game.

It’s quite another thing for the journeyman to step in and light up the scoreboard on the road in just over one quarter of action and tie the score with seconds to play.

Ryan Fitzpatrick replaced America’s Quarterback, Jameis Winston, with just over two minutes remaining in the third quarter. The final line on Fitz was 11-for-15 for 194 yards and two touchdowns, plus a two-point conversion throw with the game on the line.

These weren’t junk yards on a prevent defense. This was Fitzpatrick thriving in the exact same situations that flummoxed Jameis.

“He goes in after a pick-six, so he had about two minutes to warm up and went in there and played with composure and did a great job bringing us back,” Koetter said, after calling Fitzpatrick “fantastic” this afternoon.

The in-game contrast really magnifies the bad vibes surrounding Jameis and it complicates how he’ll be evaluated at One Buc Palace.

Former Bucs glory days defensive tackle Booger McFarland took to Twitter before Jameis was pulled for Fitzpatrick and shared that he sees a different offense — in a bad way — with Jameis as the starter.

Again, the in-game contrast makes Jameis looks extra bad and makes things extra messy for the Bucs’ quarterback position. Either way, the Bucs have the worst starting QB in the NFC South, and that’s typically a key ingredient in losing football.

236 Responses to “Crushing Contrast For Jameis”

  1. MadMax Says:

    JW…sorry man. Good luck with your next team…I mean that.

  2. Tom Edrington Says:

    But wait!!! Jameis is an elite talent — the Joe(s) said so!

  3. SB Says:

    Is it too early to start the “TANK FOR TUA” campaign?

  4. Joe Blahak Says:

    A losing QB is the Bucs key ingredient….WinSTUNNED needs a new team…

  5. Season Is Over Says:

    Dear Jameis,
    Why are we not 6-2 heading into the playoff run?
    Buc Nation

  6. PSLBob Says:

    The defense played well enough today to secure a win, had Jameis not thrown all of those interceptions. You can not – CAN NOT- throw 4 interception, particularly when in the Red Zone, and expect to win. Fitz kept it exciting, but it was nearly a lost cause from the time he stepped in.

    I’ve been a Jameis supporter all along, but I can’t see a franchise QB ever, EVER, throwing 4 picks in a game.

  7. unbelievable Says:

    Damn Todd Gurley is such a beast. There’s a team playing smart. Players know when to get out of bounds and when to stay in.

  8. SchwiftyBuc Says:

    For all sad words of tongue or pen, the saddest are these; It might have been.

    I truly thought Jameis had the goods to be a franchise changing player for us when we drafted him. And I believed that all the way up until this afternoon.

    I’m really starting to believe that the Jameis Winston era in Tampa may truly be over. What sucks the most is he’ll probably end up winning a Superbowl some where else just like Doug Williams, and Steve Young, and Trent Dilfer all did.

  9. WalkdaPlank Says:

    Watched Winston’s post-game presser and I do feel a little bad for him. He looked on the verge of breaking down but didn’t. He’s a competitor and he hates to lose. I’ll give him that.

    But he’s not a franchise QB. I wish he was for the Bucs sake, but he isn’t. This was his year to finally prove himself and solidify his place as the starter and the leader of the Bucs, who have one of the best offenses we have ever seen from them.

    And he failed, before the end of October..

  10. SB Says:


  11. Nprbuc Says:

    Joe. What’s up with all the yelling we are hearing about in the Bucs locker room after the game? Can’t find anything on the net about it. Were you there? Re your post- Booger was right on the button with his observation. It’s there for everyone to se3. Fitz brings more excitement to the team. They trust him, know he will keep his cool and not panic under pressure. Sometimes you look at JW on tv close ups and he looks like a man staring down a man with a gun.

  12. SB Says:

    Too many comments at once lol. my ^^^s were to UBs comment but it also applied to the actual comment above it.

  13. Day1BucFan Says:

    Our QB situation didn’t become messy today. It became crystal clear.

  14. unbelievable Says:

    @PSLbob I could see happening a few times in a career. Not once per season.

    The weird thing is that he’s been looking worse each week since coming back. Almost have to wonder if there’s some off field stuff going on. Honestly. That was just a horrific performance. Those were mostly unforced errors which is what makes it so appalling to the objective observer. It’s not like they were tipped balls or a bounced off a WRs hands, etc.

  15. NPRSageBoy Says:

    Read it and weep Jay Miss backers. He’s a BUST and has been for awhile now.

  16. Pete I Says:

    Trade America’s QB for a years worth of free Uber rides, heck throw in one of the Joe’s too and maybe some crab legs.


  17. WalkdaPlank Says:


    Have you not watched any Alabama QB ever? Tua might be the best QB Bama has had in a long time, but he’s still like all the others. A system QB. And Alabama has the system. The Bucs do not.

  18. A’train4047 Says:

    No tua. He will be garbage. Bama plays like 1 good teams a year.

  19. Season Is Over Says:

    Winston was all talk and forgot he had to deliver or no one would follow.

  20. Bobby M. Says:

    Jameis gets pulled….defense holds bengals to 10 second half points and offense comes alive. Fitzpatrick gives the team a chance to win….In order to win with Winston, they have to do so despite of him. Every player on that roster knows its a performance based league…..Its a kick in the junk when you have to play to one level of accountability and some clown can be a train wreck week in….week out…and is still the starter. Winston is literally playing worse then kicker….and that dude is about to be on the street.

  21. tgregs Says:

    The thug must go!

  22. tgregs Says:

    I guess he ate a L

  23. SchwiftyBuc Says:

    Whatever the plan is going forward, the solution definitely should not be an effing Bama QB.

  24. Reality-is-a-Beotch Says:

    Winston haters are hilarious and act like this garbage franchise has been competitive…. jameis will be a success while you losers keep supporting low iq underachieving has beens who had 1 good year…. hilarious

  25. Bobby M. Says:

    One additional note….when Winston came in against the Bears, its nothing but excuses for his poor performance coming off the bench. Yet Fitzpatrick comes into the game in a similar situation and rallies the team to tie the game.

    That’s the difference….Same players…same coaches….consistently different results. If the NFL has deemed Fitzpatrick not good enough to build a franchise around…and he’s out playing Winston….that tells you everything.

  26. theodore Says:

    Fitz gives the offense swag.

  27. Ndog Says:

    My belief is when the players around start doubting the QB the QB will start doubting himself. The worst thing this team ever did was bring in DJAX as he turned this locker room against Winston then it all feel apart. It is Jameis’s fault 100% but as usual this franchise tItaly botched this whole thing. When you have a QB who is a good teammate and cares about serving his teammates the worst thing you can do is put a whiny, selfish, premadonna on his team as that will rarely go well. Once that relationship did not work DJAX turned on him and you can bet has been telling anyone who woukd listen that Jameis sucks. While that’s great for DJAX what exactly does that do for our team? Koetter screwed him last year while playing him while injured, Djax has been ripping him since the middle of last year and the fans have been all over him since day one. Please tell me who would thrive in that situation? Jameis is an emotional player and that has hurt him but so has this lousy franchise and even worse fan base.

  28. Zzbuc Says:

    Inconsistency is what JW gave the bucs on his career. Pretty clear to me that wr,s fell more comfortable with Fitz that obviously is not the answer for the future, but JW isn,t either. So lets try to finish this season on the best way, its difficult not imposible. We need to move on ftom this qb and find another one, via free agency or draft for 2019, and also we need morevtalent on the secoary that sucks

  29. Sunny Says:

    Trade him to the jags , for a can of Campbells soup , only way he will get to eat w’s

  30. PSLBob Says:

    The season is over. It’s been over for a while. No way this D can get the Bucs to the playoffs, much less contend. So, forget the Jameis-Fitz debate. Why not start Ryan Griffen next week and see what he’s got. He knows the system, but just lacks the experience. If he stinks up the place over the next 4-6 games, then bring Fitz back in. If he’s competitive, then maybe he’s our guy. That strategy will dictate what the Bucs have to do next year in the draft.

  31. Sunny Says:

    Curse continues for the Bucs no second contract for a QB drafted

  32. NJBucsFan Says:

    It was evident last year and again this year when wINsTon’s peers voted him out as captain. He’s not the leader of this team.

  33. sandwichman Says:


  34. Radman Says:

    We have a third string QB, he should get some playing time. I bet he’s better than JE.

  35. sandwichman Says:


  36. Sunny Says:

    Bob , Griffen is nothing more than a back up in this league , trade Jr. Grab 1st or 2nd , put fitz in hopefully we can rise his magic until it’s gone , and than draft a qb , let him study under fitz for a yr , than start him, cut/ trade/retire fitz and have Griffen back up

  37. Radman Says:


  38. Alvin Scissors Harper Says:

    It’s been a long time, but Joe Namath and Kenny “the Snake” Stabler went to Alabama.

  39. Troy Says:

    Booger hit it. The team was different with Fitz in the game. That’s troubling.

  40. Alvin Scissors Harper Says:

    Jay Miss will not win a Super Bowl with another team unless he’s holding a clipboard and is wearing a visor.

  41. Zzbuc Says:

    Pslbob, season is not over yet my men.! I would agree we are in a tough spot, but we are not dead!

  42. JimmyJack Says:

    Three options with this franchise. Give Dirk a new QB to play with or give With ston a new HC or blow the entire thing up.

    Pick your poison

  43. NJBucsFan Says:

    NDog…you’re wrong. DJax came here to play with wINsTon and wINsTon begged for him to be signed. What the team saw is Fitz come in last year and have a winning record as a starter and the same thing happen this year. DJax has over 500 yards receiving and is on pace for 1,100 yards. This is all on wINsTon not being an elite NFL QB. He’s a baseball pitcher posing as a QB.

  44. SchwiftyBuc Says:

    Pre-Saban Bama QB’s don’t count Alvin.

  45. JimmyJack Says:

    Zzbuc is right the season is not over. Our season won’t officially be over til we get waxed next week in Carolina.

  46. IndyBucsFan Says:

    @joe is it true Winston and Djax got in a scuffle after the game?? Schefter tweeted it but then deleted it?

  47. Stevbobucsfan Says:

    I’ve backed Jamis over the past 3 years and I am against calling him a thug and so on but it’s time to sit him and play Fitzpatrick even make him third string oh I forgot they paying him millions so I doubt this will happen. Never seen Jamis play this bad it almost like sometime is on his mine whatever the problem is let’s sit him and move on to another QB next year enough is enough

  48. WalkdaPlank Says:


    No Saban QB will ever find success anywhere but Alabama.

    Another thing to consider is that Koetter could likely lose his job after this year and they will bring in a new head coach. If they do you think the first order of business is to tank? No sir, especially since the Bucs have the No.1 ranked offense. Also if the Bucs do play Fitz and he keeps the magic going there’s a good chance Koetter will get enough wins to keep his job. Who knows?

  49. AlteredEgo Says:

    @joe is it true Winston and Djax got in a scuffle after the game?? Schefter tweeted it but then …… yeah it’s true Jamyth threw a couple of punches at DJax but missed……

  50. Joe Says:

    @joe is it true Winston and Djax got in a scuffle after the game??

    Never saw anything like that from Schefter.

  51. Jean Lafitte Says:


    you’re right, it’s DJax’s fault that JW got suspended. It’s DJax’s fault JW throws so many stupid INT’s. It’s all DJax’s fault because he wants to win but has an erratic QB that puts his career in peril everytime he throws him an errant pass. Fitz first pass to DJax was long and on the money in stride for a TD. So if you were DJax who the heck would you secretly want at QB?

  52. Architek Says:

    Whee is 1987 Hahahahahaha

    That pie should taste real good – this is sad

  53. SteveK Says:


    It’s D-Jax’s fault for getting blatantly open and being missed with the ball for most of the last season plus before today.

    C’mon. No excuses. It’s a long season and Jameis may well get another shot. I hope Fitz continues to ball out.

  54. BrianBucs Says:

    If the Bucs want to salvage the season and make a possible playoff run, then Winston should not take the field again this year. If things blow up for Fitz, then let’s see what Ryan Griffin has. There are some really good QB’s coming out in the next draft

  55. Brandon Says:

    Booger is exactly right…..Fitzpatrick brings the energy and the guys around him respond to that.

  56. Troy Says:

    Winston’s not going anywhere. He might ride the bench for a bit, but he’s going to play again this year. The organization and staff sealed their fate the day they drafted him. There are no NFL ready QBs in college that will be in the 2019 draft. The next GM and coach are going to have to see if they can rehab Winston. I’m not happy about it because I was in the “don’t draft a qb” minority the year Winston was taken. Oh well, the franchise will be looking for a new staff at the end of the year. Here we go again.

  57. Richard Dickson Says:

    I sometimes wonder if the coaching staff has failed to develop him; is Winston making the same mistakes a matter of him not learning or him not being properly taught? But then I look at his college stats and see the drop from 4,057/40/10 to 3,907/25/18 and wonder if his 2013 Heisman campaign was just lightning in a bottle and 2014 is who he really is.

  58. gotbbucs Says:

    If there are sane people making any kind if decisions inside the building then it’s done for Winston as a Buc.
    They made a horrible decision to not rally behind Fitz when he had the locker room united the first part of the season. They get a chance to right the wrong, let’s see if they make a smart football decision.

    Winston got his chance to show them whether or not he was worth the money they would have to pay him to keep him in the offseason. He promptly crapped his pants and made the decision easy.
    Now make the right decision for the other 52 players on the roster and start the only guy that I’ve seen unify this team in the last decade.

    Let the circus leave town and everybody else can get back to business.

    …and on a side note, drop the damn “Americas QB” moniker. He’s not even the best QB on his team, let alone the good ole US of A.

  59. PSLBob Says:

    Let me be clear, I’ve been a Bucs fan since they came into the league and I’ve been a Jameis fan since he was drafted (no I’m not an FSU grad). I had such high expectations for the team this year, as did many posters on this site. There were the detractors, preaching the Bucs wouldn’t win a game this year even before the season started. All of the true fans criticized them. But now, we’re nearly half way through the season and JW had one of his worst performances. The D is not good, but they played well enough to win had it not been for those turnovers. I’m not throwing in the towel, but I have to admit when something’s not working, and JW is not working. So, let’s come up with another strategy and start moving forward. God, when will we see a legitimate playoff team again?

  60. JimmyJack Says:

    Winston looked like an untrained QB out there today. On that second INT he had no idea what to do with the football. It looked like he had never practiced that play before. It’s embarrassing and while Winston has to play better and smarter there will still be major problems with the way this team prepared.

    This HC has done nothing but trot out unprepared teams and INTs are just part of the result.

    Thanks for absolutely nothing Buccaneers.

  61. Resurrection of Duff Says:

    Joe you need to give Jameis Johnny Football’s phone number. Manziel May help him land with a team on the CFL.

  62. JimmyJack Says:

    You can’t tell me that int is not fixable.

    Dirk was hired for one reason and only one reason and has been nothing but a effing failure.

  63. Stevbobucsfan Says:

    I am with Booger also when Fitzpatrick is in there the team seem to play better and have more energy. I think all the bucs need is a good DC and sit Jamis. Even as bad as Jamis has played the offense is still like tops in the nfl or at least the NFC so I would like to see Koetter back 1 more season but with a decent DC and starting QB

  64. BrianBucs Says:

    Winston just threw another pick from the bench!

  65. BobbyBucs Says:

    We need Wade Phillips as our next Head Coach

  66. Doctor Stroud Says:

    The players have spoken (non-verbally)! It’s time for Team Glazer to pay JW not to play. #PaidFloridaVacation

  67. JimmyJack Says:

    Our next coaching hire will be a very intriguing one. I could see a lot of big rumors circulating.

    The next coaching hire is inevitable too.

  68. AlabamaBucsFan Says:

    LICHT screwed us by taking the 5th year option (19.5 Mil) for Jameis. Because of this, no one is going to trade for him. Secondly, now we cannot afford to keep Fritz.

  69. JimmyJack Says:

    Alabama that is one of the dumber comments that could possibly be written. Please elaborate……for the sake of entertainment.

  70. JimmyJack Says:


  71. Sweeptheleg Says:

    Ndog is an idiot FSU homer that can’t bring himself to the truth because he’s….well….an idiot FSU homer.

    And FSU sucks. What a crap program.

  72. AlteredEgo Says:

    Dingy for President of football operations…. above the GM

  73. Sweeptheleg Says:

    Where’s ROD MUNCH?

  74. Ben the GA Buc Says:

    When you look at what Mahomes is doing as a rookie, which is far better than anything Jameis ever gave us even in year one, it becomes clear that the Bucs have to find their version of THAT guy.

  75. DBS Says:

    Ndog is still looking for someone else to blame. You, DB55 and Webester should all get together and come up with a list of all the greatest excuses you can think of and publish it. And you can even get Buc1987 to help.

    Once again he could not get the offense into the 30’s . Hell he could not get them past 16 and 4 picks. But blame everybody else.

  76. JimmyJack Says:

    Sweeptheleg somebody called me a FSU Homer the other day yet I can care less about that college.

    Goes to show that the argument may not be as simple as some think it is.

  77. JimmyJack Says:

    Ben…….That’s a great point but I still have to wonder what Winston would do if Ried were his HC?

  78. Ftmyersbuc Says:

    As someone who used to think Winston was the future, I stand corrected and admit that he no longer is our starter. He is done, trade him (Jacksonville) or cut him after the season. But to all of you saying the season is over think again. This team is 5-2 with Fitz the starter every game and you can’t deny that. Fitz wins Atl and cincy if he starts. At worst 4-3 with Fitz starting. To all of you saying dirk is done and to fire him, your insane. EVERY bucs offensive record has been shattered with Kotter at the helm. We gain 450 yards plus a game. Dirk needs to go nowhere. With a quarterback who can lower are turnovers and a top 20 defense we are a playoff team Because of dirk offense. Under Kotter the bucs have the best offense in franchise history and so many of you want to get rid of him?????? Wake up, or better yet remember our offense before dirk. 3 and out 3 and out and oh yea another 3 and out. We used to throw 3 yard passes on 3rd and 10 before dirk. He at least calls plays to get the first down. Dirk goes nowhere and the glazes know that. If anything Jason licht has blown some draft picks. Think Carolina keeping Ron Rivera several years ago and firing the GM. The started winning and making playoffs right after that decision.

  79. Ben the GA Buc Says:

    JimmyJack Says:
    October 28th, 2018 at 8:57 pm
    Ben…….That’s a great point but I still have to wonder what Winston would do if Ried were his HC?
    I’m not sure Reid can fix staring down receivers and trying to throw through tiny windows that don’t exist.

  80. Ndog Says:

    Sweep I point out facts please tell me anywhere I stated something that is I accurate? I also have stated multiple times today Jameis was horrible but today does not change everything he has done before today. And again congrats on being so happy about our team failing, you are a great fan. What a tool you are, in fact so much you don’t even know it. So what do you think happens now tough guy? You think we win with Fitz who threw 3 picks himself in one half just 4 games ago! Yeah this is the worst possible outcome for true Bucs fans. But then again you don’t care cause you don’t root for the Bucs you just root against the players on the team.

  81. JimmyJack Says:

    FortMyer……I think that’s the question here. It’s either Winston or Dirk that needs to be replaced. Users choice Baby!!!!!!!

    But hey, maybe we start clicking next week in Carolina!! Hahahahaha……Just hold your breath on that one and let me know how it works out.

  82. JimmyJack Says:

    Ben he can’t fix that. That’s why Mahomes threw some of his INTs this year.

  83. NJBucsFan Says:


    Rod is preparing a nice cup of hot chocolate for wINsTon. He’s going to give him a nice back rub and say “baby it’s ok, you can get them next time.”

  84. Jason M Says:

    Imagine Fitz with and this offense with a decent or what if somehow we were able to get a good defense for him. Super bowl contenders. I think Fitz has 2-3 years of good football left.

  85. JimmyJack Says:

    Ben you wanna talk Winston’s first INT Im all ears hearing about such a poor throw. The second INT was something separate entirely. Winston looked like a untrained dog on that play and sorry but I blame the HC for part of that.

    That INT could be coached out of Winston IMO.

  86. SteveK Says:


    Judge Fitz like you do Jameis. The biased judgement of QB play is the issue amongst the fans. We want wins, and if we lose we question what’s going on.

    Jameis looked lost today. Sad for him. Worst the disappointed.

  87. Ben the GA Buc Says:

    JimmyJack Says:
    October 28th, 2018 at 9:06 pm
    Ben he can’t fix that. That’s why Mahomes threw some of his INTs this year.
    Somehow I think Mahomes will fix it. Dude is going to be a star in this league for years to come. Jameis is in year 4 and hasn’t seemed to show any progression out of that.

  88. Bird Says:

    Read the bleacher report article on Jameis.

    It talks about his negatives coming out of college.
    Nothing has changed with this kid.
    His turnovers will not change. It s plain as day that he is not the guy

  89. Resurrection of Duff Says:

    The worst thing to happened to Jameis this year?


    Fitz raise the bar with the offense. Jameis got humbled.

    Fans deserve to see quality football from now on.

    I feel bad for season ticket holders.

    Time to trade and get something for Jameis.

  90. NJBucsFan Says:

    @JimmyJack…one college and two NFL coaches couldn’t coach that INT our of wINsTon

  91. SteveK Says:

    Jimmy jack,

    You blame Koetter for Winston’s poor execution and “looking lost”? Come on dude!

  92. Greg Says:

    Ive been saying hes garbage since the Bucs made the idiotic decision to draft him. 71 interceptions and fumbles in 48 games and another girl coming forward. Glaziers are an embarrassment.

    I however am feeling quite justified. Come on Joe say it! Jameis is a BUST!!!

    Light has done everything from promoting Koetter making the Glaziers eat Lovies contract. Drafted offense when we needed defense… EVERYTHING!!!!

  93. Ben the GA Buc Says:

    JimmyJack Says:
    October 28th, 2018 at 9:08 pm
    Ben you wanna talk Winston’s first INT Im all ears hearing about such a poor throw. The second INT was something separate entirely. Winston looked like a untrained dog on that play and sorry but I blame the HC for part of that.

    That INT could be coached out of Winston IMO.
    Yeah, and the throw right before the first INT too, that SHOULD have been picked. I mean, I just don’t understand how someone with all the tools and brilliance that he’s shown just hasn’t been able to figure it out.

    Maybe it can be coached out of him, but maybe not. Is it worth it to the Bucs to see if a new coach can, at the expense of $20M next year? I guess we’ll find out.

  94. Anonymous Says:

    Name one good Alabama QB besides Joe Namath & Ken Stabler….. Please stop w the Tua crap… also most of Alabama’s players in general suck in the pro’s considering how many have been taken in first round under Saban. & Sweeptheleg where did you go to school? FSU may not be good now but it has been one of the best programs in the country over the last 40yrs #’s don’t lie… please do tell what awesome college team you root for…. let me guess Miami Hurricanes but you went to Miami Dade Community College. Your bias against FSU as a whole is clear…

  95. BuccoDav Says:

    JimmyJack Says:
    October 28th, 2018 at 8:35 pm
    This HC has done nothing but trot out unprepared teams and INTs are just part of the result.

    They looked very well prepared when Fitz entered the game… It was like night and day!

  96. Brad Isherwood Says:

    Crushing Contrast is GM Licht record falls to 25 W,…46 L

    Excerpt : Benching jamies Winston

    Winston reportedly received a signing bonus of $16.7 million on his rookie deal. He also has been given annual training camp roster bonuses. Per, if the Bucs were to trade Winston before the deadline, he would cost them $4,174,323 in dead money against the cap, and the team would save $3,767,580 in cap space.

    JW was damaged goods coming out of FSU.
    It’s was a Gamble to go for JW and Contract him for 4 years.
    Kick chairs accross the Room Glazers!

  97. Greg Says:

    Joe should come forward… Jameis screwed you too lol.

  98. Ben the GA Buc Says:

    Greg Says:
    October 28th, 2018 at 9:11 pm
    Ive been saying hes garbage since the Bucs made the idiotic decision to draft him. 71 interceptions and fumbles in 48 games and another girl coming forward. Glaziers are an embarrassment.

    I however am feeling quite justified. Come on Joe say it! Jameis is a BUST!!!

    Light has done everything from promoting Koetter making the Glaziers eat Lovies contract. Drafted offense when we needed defense… EVERYTHING!!!!
    Congrats man. I’m really sorry the GlaZERs passed you over as GM, we would have 4 more Super Bowl rings if you were the GM, right?

    Just another Johnny Come Lately Bucs fan who doesn’t care about the Bucs, but hates Winston and is pathetic enough to feel justified about his feelings on a day when most Buc fans are in mourning over our team, season and future.

    Congrats, Greg. Must feel great to be you.

  99. Ben the GA Buc Says:

    Resurrection of Duff Says:
    October 28th, 2018 at 9:10 pm
    The worst thing to happened to Jameis this year?

    This is so true. Fitz’ early success put so much pressure on Winston that he crumbled under it.

  100. SB Says:

    @Ndog……….Sorry bro but…It’s time.

  101. JimmyJack Says:

    Ben…….Is it worth it? That’s a awesome question.

    The owners are going to have to answer that question. Barring the unforseen we will be looking for a new coach next year and they are going to have to choose if they want a coach who will want to work with Winston or one who won’t.

  102. Greg Says:

    Im starting a Me3 movement for all the Bucs fans who felt screwed by the drafting of Jameis Winston. Time to come forward!

  103. Hawk Says:

    Winston can’t (won’t) be traded. His value right now is too low, unless an idiot shows up on their doorstep.
    What *should* happen, is for Fitzpatrick to start the next game… only. *If* the Bucs win, then Fitz should start again. Fitzpatrick is *NOT* the future of any team. I doubt if he even wants to be. But as long as the team is in contention for a playoff spot, Fitz should start. If (when) the Bucs are mathematically removed from the playoff picture, the Bucs should start Griffin. It is important for them to find out if Griffin is a starter , backup, or if he also needs to be replaced.

  104. BrianBucs Says:

    Winston just threw another pick from the locker room!

  105. Sweeptheleg Says:


    I’ve not missed one single game since 1987. I’m a huge Bucs fan and everything Tampa fan. I wanted Winston to be great for the next 15years. What bothers me is the blind support over and over and calling people racists for questioning his play on the field. And saying people don’t support him because of the color of his skin. That’s the problem. And no one believes Fitz is the answer but right now he gives the team the best chance to win. You and others over the past 4 years have done nothing but make excuses for Winston. And look at you bringing up one game of Fitz having int’s. But you’ve unbelievably defended Winston for the same crap.
    Maybe it’s because Fitz is white? Maybe you don’t like that he’s white. And can’t except that he’s playing better than your boy?
    Maybe you don’t support Fitz because of the color of his skin?

    That’s the bullsh#t we’ve heard from you JW supporters for 4 years. (Racists,bigots, etc.)

    So FU. You were one of them saying that bullsh#t. And rod munch as well.

    And it pisses me off. So Stfu.

  106. Mord Says:

    Exactly! (@ BuccoDav)

  107. Ben the GA Buc Says:

    JimmyJack Says:
    October 28th, 2018 at 9:20 pm
    Ben…….Is it worth it? That’s a awesome question.

    The owners are going to have to answer that question. Barring the unforseen we will be looking for a new coach next year and they are going to have to choose if they want a coach who will want to work with Winston or one who won’t.
    Agree completely. If the Bucs somehow pull their ish together and make the playoffs, I think that’s the only way Dirk sticks around. Personally, I think he’s done with Winston. That’s why seeing if you can get a pick for him makes so much sense right now, because after the deadline, if he’s still a Buc, we’ll get NOTHING for him. Then it’s on the Glazers whether or not he stays and we break him off for year 5, on what amounts to be Prove It Contract, v2.

  108. JimmyJack Says:

    SteveK I blame Koetter how his team was prepared on Winston’s 2nd INT. That play call should require a very low level of decision making from the QB.

    There is should only be three options on that play. Winston had only practiced for two of them and then had no idea what to do. He was prepared to be a fool there unless Humphry was open.

    If we practiced that play at all we half azzed it.

  109. Ben the GA Buc Says:

    Hawk Says:
    October 28th, 2018 at 9:21 pm
    If (when) the Bucs are mathematically removed from the playoff picture, the Bucs should start Griffin. It is important for them to find out if Griffin is a starter , backup, or if he also needs to be replaced.
    I like this idea. Time to get the guy some PT, just to see what you have.

  110. BrianBucs Says:

    Where are 1987, DB55, and all of those other Winston apologists, enablers and fanboys? Reality must be settling in

  111. Ben the GA Buc Says:

    JimmyJack Says:
    October 28th, 2018 at 9:26 pm
    SteveK I blame Koetter how his team was prepared on Winston’s 2nd INT. That play call should require a very low level of decision making from the QB.

    There is should only be three options on that play. Winston had only practiced for two of them and then had no idea what to do. He was prepared to be a fool there unless Humphry was open.

    If we practiced that play at all we half azzed it.
    Do any of these options involve scrambling for positive yardage, or throwing the ball away? One of those things, Winston has been adequate at, the other, we can probably count on one hand the # of times he’s done it, to the detriment of the team.

  112. Sweeptheleg Says:


    The post that didn’t show up was 100 percent true and I hope you post it.

    4 years of people like Ndog calling people raci#st for not supporting JW. And a big#ot.

    Maybe Ndog doesn’t support Fitz because he’s white and beat out his boy. Ndog is a hypocrite that said people didn’t like Winston because of the color of his skin. Well maybe Ndog doesn’t support Fitz for that reason.

  113. JimmyJack Says:

    I wouldn’t take a draft pick for Winston. Draft picks are far less meaningful then Florida fans(college football Haven) given them credit for.

    Trade Winston for a greater then 50% bust? Nah I’m good.

  114. rfdes Says:

    JW needs to sit quietly on the bench for the rest of the season. My understanding is that should he suffer an injury, he is guaranteed his 5th year payout.
    What would YOU do??

  115. BrianBucs Says:

    Winston just threw another pick from the parking lot!

  116. NJBucsFan Says:

    @Jimmy…I’d take a 50% chance of a bust over the 100% bust that is wINsTon

  117. Geno Says:

    Drew Brees just threw an interception. No one in New Orleans is asking him to be replaced.

    Oh right – that is his 1st Interception of the year.

  118. Bird Says:


    That’s halirious

  119. BrianBucs Says:

    Where in the world are 1987, DB55 and all of those other Winston apologists, enablers, excuse makers and fanboys?
    Reality must be settling in

  120. JimmyJack Says:

    NJ and yes I bet you want my team to dump Winston so your precious Giants can get him. Get out my face numbnuts.

  121. NJBucsFan Says:

    @Jimmy…you do realize that NJ is much larger than just north jersey?

    Just because your wINsTon fanboy behind is raw from the lashing you’re taking doesn’t mean you have to calll names. Now wipe the wINsTon fluids off your chin and realize he’s not good.

  122. Bucrazy Says:

    Time to clean out the Bucs house… Licht, Koetter and Winston gotta go! We deserve better.

  123. Bird Says:

    Yup. Jameis should be on bench to avoid 20 mil payout. This game needed to happen You can’t invest in someone this bad at giving the ball to the other team.

  124. Ben the GA Buc Says:

    Bird Says:
    October 28th, 2018 at 9:41 pm
    Yup. Jameis should be on bench to avoid 20 mil payout. This game needed to happen You can’t invest in someone this bad at giving the ball to the other team.
    Bad at giving the ball to the other team? That’s the one thing he’s GREAT at! 😉

  125. Greg Says:

    Glaziers hiring requirements for coach

    Find someone who thinks we have a good O-line and d-line

    Find someone who thinks Jameis is a good QB

    Find someone with no NFL head coaching experience so hell be cheaper.

    Find someone who will sign a 2 year deal

  126. NJBucsFan Says:

    @Greg you just described the Joes and every other wINsTon apologist on this page.

  127. stpetebucsfan Says:

    Here is a “crushing contrast” for me.

    We’re out of the game…but the D forces some 3 and outs…and then Fitz comes in and I see this great bomb to ME13 who fields in IN STRIDE and takes it to the house. How often do we see that? It was a thing of beauty!!!

  128. Simeon Says:

    Pre draft analysis on Winston, not much has changed

    Decision making not consistent with his football intelligence. Will throw into impossible windows rather than taking safe throw underneath. Elongated windup and release allows instinctive defenders to close on throws. Was too easily baited into dangerous throws. Struggled with intermediate passing game in 2014, completing 56.8 percent of his passes with FBS-leading 11 interceptions in that range. Still learning nuances of position and how to move and hold defenders with his eyes. Would sleepwalk through first half of many games. Inconsistent footwork and weight transfer caused balls to sail. Prone to emotional outbursts on field. Quality of decision-making drops off substantially when pocket becomes turbulent and he’s forced to leave it. Lacks athleticism to extend plays for very long outside of the pocket. Off-the-field character and ability to lead on NFL level are his primary obstacles, according to NFL evaluators.

  129. JimmyJack Says:

    Whatever NJ go root for your Delaware River Eagles and go trash your own team. When my team suck I’ll go fishing on the gulf and you can snif that cest pool that makes your city smell like a sewer.

  130. NJBucsFan Says:

    @Jimmy stay classless

    By the way…the team is bigger than wINsTon. I bet you swallow.

  131. JimmyJack Says:

    What’s that stank? Oh NJ just walked in.

    What up bro!!

  132. Alaskan Abdominal Snowman Says:

    You guys can celebrate being right all you want. I wanted to be right because that would have meant we have our franchise Qb and had a chance at success.
    This is a sad day, not one to celebrate and gloat about being right all along. I guess it’s more important that you were right then to look at the fact that the Bucs will be back at square one.
    Hope you all enjoy Eli Manning next year as your Bucs QB. I won’t.

  133. JimmyJack Says:

    I’ll stay classy. You stay outta my site NJ boy

    Hashtags true fans

  134. Bucsace Says:

    Rod Butt Munch has been very quiet today

  135. Ndog Says:

    Sweeptheleg Says:
    October 28th, 2018 at 9:28 pm

    The post that didn’t show up was 100 percent true and I hope you post it.

    4 years of people like Ndog calling people raci#st for not supporting JW. And a big#ot.

    Maybe Ndog doesn’t support Fitz because he’s white and beat out his boy. Ndog is a hypocrite that said people didn’t like Winston because of the color of his skin. Well maybe Ndog doesn’t support Fitz for that reason.

    Dude you are losing your mind. First off I have never mentioned race and second of all I’m white you idiot! I don’t give a crap about color, unlike you clearly, I just care about winning. Lastly please find a post I have done that talks about race before this one. You are looking more clueless by the moment.

  136. Blackmagic00 Says:

    We’re in such disarray. Fitz is the answer for the rest of the season and I hate typing that. Is what it is. It’s time for change once again from top to bottom. Only issue is it seems the glazer boys would buy a screen door for a submarine if the right salesman was selling it. I’m watching the saints game and realizing they had 2 rookies make the pro bowl last year. Its sickening. Why cant we have any success? Ever? I bleed red and pewter, but red and pewter blood seems to be very thin blood.

  137. ghost Says:

    If ndog “just cares about winning”, they would understand why fitzpatrick is starting next week

  138. NJBucsFan Says:

    @Jimmy first off….I’m surprised your head is out of wINsTon’s lap long enough to read my posts and respond. Second off…I’m Florida born and raised and I am a true Bucs fan, not a fan of a subpar QB that went to a college you couldn’t go to.

  139. BrianBucs Says:

    Winston just threw another pick from his Uber!

  140. Sweeptheleg Says:


    Maybe I confused you with DB55?

    In which case the only thing wrong with that post is the name.

  141. Sweeptheleg Says:

    Sorry Ndog I confused you with DB55.

  142. JimmyJack Says:

    If a Dirk coached team can come out of Carolina with a win I’d be truely shocked.

  143. Rick Says:

    I said this after the eagles game. The offense looks like it’s enjoying playing under fitz. You lead by example on and off the field. Let Jameis walk next year, get another qb in camp and completely open the qb1 spot. Under fitz, the Bucs won’t be in a position to take a legit qb in the draft.

  144. Blackmagic00 Says:

    I’m a jamies supporter…….no longer! I’m a dirk supporter……till we lose again. We need change…….again! Sucks! The saints drafted 2 rookies who made the pro bowl. Wtf! I bleed red and pewter but seems red and pewter is very thin blood.

  145. Blackmagic00 Says:

    @Joe I posted two comments and none come through. Why? You can delete the first but at least put the second.

  146. Ndog Says:

    Don’t you people get it were screwed, what happens today means new GM, new Coach, new QB and at least 5-8 years of rebuilding. You guys that think Fitz is anthing more than a flash in the pan are just clueless. Dud you not see 3 pick half against Pittsburgh or the destruction against Chicago? If you get pressure in Fitz face he’s straight trash. Now Jameis has lost his confidence this team is done long term. Even if we win 5-6 more games what does that get us? We have a middle of the round pick and will just be average at best while starting all over. That fact that you people can’t see that is beyond me.

  147. D-Rome Says:

    You can’t spell Winston without INT.

  148. NJBucsFan Says:

    @ D-Rome or TO. winsTOn….see

  149. Noles Says:

    & my post wasn’t anonymous it was me Sweep… you are Clueless.. not because of your thoughts on JW but your bias toward FSU… Again tell me what awesome school you went to college & rooted for.. no one cares if you haven’t missed a game since 87, I’ve been watching longer what the hell does that mean. Your obviously a complete tool who wants to berate people on this site… get a life dork… Who cares if people blindly support JW why does it REALLY PISS YOU OFF… its a game dork. Maybe you should try to go on a date or something… the more you message the more I am thinking you are a Sante Fe JR college Idiot as you would say… Go Gators & Aaron Henrnadez. there are lots of other posters on this site who have good views & are interesting. Yours are just to defiel someone for having an opposite view. Your a mental midget

  150. JimmyJack Says:

    Ndog…….What are you talking about with rebuild? We got more then enough pieces to win with.

    No Head Coach’s are being hired to rebuild anything!! They are being hired to win with pieces in place already!

    Goo bucs

  151. Season Is Over Says:

    Troy Says:
    October 28th, 2018 at 8:28 pm

    Winston’s not going anywhere. He might ride the bench for a bit, but he’s going to play again this year. The organization and staff sealed their fate the day they drafted him.

    This is exactly correct. There is way too much invested. Winston has plenty of time to rise again and it simply can not be a complete loss. It is up to him. Today he played scared all day. Winston has turned from the risk taker/field stretcher he was in the past and morphed into this Brian Griese type QB. He is throwing too many passes which opens up the opportunity for errors. It is like he is constantly playing the clock in the last drive of the game for short yardage. The game needs to slow down but it simply will not this year. Between the schedule, running game and shockingly bad defense any QB will have a tough time. This is where you really prove your worth.

    If Winston can’t change the Dr. Jeckle and Mr. Hyde approach he is on the way out of Tampa. This city has only wanted a rock at the QB position and have stuck with him through the growing pains for years. It is supposed to be the time. No one can explain what is going on. All they know is what they see. I have been harsh on Winston but always figured one day he would just excel. Today and much of Winston’s season so far is inexcusable at any level. Winston should have been suspended for the onfield antics last year to send a message. I want nothing more than for him to take the team over and prove people wrong but Fitz may give this team a better chance right now with the deep ball and weak D. I miss the days of knowing any game was winnable.

    Only the coaches can be changing the way Winston approaches a game. Koetter is proving himself essentially useless in all of this. He can’t help the kicker, defense and his own QB while not calling the plays anymore. I have never heard of a situation like this before. He is supposed to be an inspiration.

  152. Greg Says:

    NJBucsfan Im not sure if I understood you but Ive been aginst Winston since he was drafted and criticizing the ownership for drafting. Not sure how you thought I was an apologist. If you ever read anything Ive ever said about the sex offender turnover machine you would know that.

  153. Bird Says:


    Now you are being a hypocrite. You were rooting for fitz to fail in Chicago game. And yah fitz has that game where he turns the ball over. Jameis does this every game now. I’ll take 3 huge games from fitz to his bad game. Everyone knows Godwin lost the Steelers game. 2 drops in end zone and fumble.

    And no one showed up for the Chicago game so that one doesn’t count. This team can win with fitz. You can see the team has more swag when he is out there. Jameis looked like he never played football in his life today.

  154. Simeon Says:

    How many games do you see us winning here on out? Are we a 5 win team this year? I don’t see us beating anyone in or out of division.

  155. JimmyJack Says:

    The Buccaneers ran a play today that they only practiced once this week. We don’t prepared enough and we are never ready on game days.

    Hashtag thank God the browns made more mistakes then us.

  156. Bird Says:

    Fitz will win some games. Trust me.

  157. Ndog Says:

    JimmyJack Says:
    October 28th, 2018 at 10:08 pm
    Ndog…….What are you talking about with rebuild? We got more then enough pieces to win with.

    No Head Coach’s are being hired to rebuild anything!! They are being hired to win with pieces in place already!

    Goo bucs

    With all due respect are you insane?

    We have the worst defense in the league, the worst kicker in the league, no RG, an aging (quickly) RT, a punch and judy running game and now a QB that has proven he can’t win on multiple teams. We have one good defensive end who will be done in two years at best, our “stud” d tackle who really sucks is almost done, no MLB and a GM that about to get fired. Yeah things are looking great. Wake up brother we are in for 10 plus more years of disaster and you people are happy about it.

  158. Bird Says:


    Guess I have been blocked

  159. NJBucsFan Says:

    @greg…that’s it what said. I was saying you described the Joes and every other wINsTon apologist on the site as a possible canadite for the next HC position. Not saying that’s you…

  160. NJBucsFan Says:


  161. Bird Says:


    He mad

    Fitz will win them games. Don’t hate on fitz cause your man crush reached an all time low. This offense has playmakers yet Jameis struggles to get a td

    Fitz put up 18 points in a few minutes. Who is acting liking a big fan now ndog. Seems pretty hypocritical to me

  162. Bird Says:

    Dear Jameis

  163. SB Says:

    Winston just threw ANOTHER pick from his driveway before he walked in the door.

  164. LakeLand Says:

    The Bucs are still searching for a QB,while the other 3 teams in the NFC South are set at QB. Not only QB, but other positions also, and coaching staff.

    I don’t see the Bucs winning anything for years to come

  165. Bird Says:

    Where is db5$?

    That guy was the biggest messiah worshipper on here. Must be tongue tied

  166. JimmyJack Says:

    Ndog that’s sad because I can’t disagree with you.

    But I will chose to be insane and believvv that coaching could fix this team. I’m gonna still bet on these guys………just not this week in Carolina. That team is our big daddy that will last out a spanking if we don’t behave.

  167. LakeLand Says:

    There was a reason why I dropped Buc from LakeLandBuc

  168. Brad Isherwood Says:

    @Simeon says: —-Pre draft analysis on Winston, not much has changed

    Thanks for posting this.
    Was there State Sports Politic to push JW like some Futures market?
    JW was a known poor horse.
    I’m wondering if Glazers were Promised things to take Winston and push his stock

    It’s not just JW,….other Bad Palace decisions has stumbled us to this misery index

  169. JimmyJack Says:

    That 2nd INT was the most generically run play I ever watched. It was such a great example of how a badly prepared team runs a play.

  170. JimmyJack Says:

    This team will finish 8-8 give or take

  171. LakeLand Says:


    I predicted 4-12 before the season

  172. Noles Says:

    They should hire Derrick Brooks to help the Glazers with their football decisions because they are lost… like 10 plus years lost & like Lakeland said unfortunately I don’t see them being a playoff team anytime soon.. it’s unfortunate but something I have been accustomed to as a lifelong Bucs fan & Tampa native…. damn….. Think I enjoyed the Bandit games more as a kid. gary Anderson & ET were

  173. View from 132 Says:

    Fitz is fun to watch, but that final one minute collapse on D just shows this is not a playoff team… sure, offenses score more now, but if the game is on the line, you have to get a stop. That was ugly.

    Jameis could use a few years out of the spotlight, learning behind a real pro like Rodgers or follow baseball player Russell Wilson. He is playing like a man that has his life on the line every snap… sometimes you just have to be able to breathe and throw a check down. He may still have great years in him, but this didn’t work… time to move on.

  174. JimmyJack Says:

    I predicted 10-6

  175. Season Is Over Says:

    I wonder if the weekly flip flop Stick carrier podcast will be up tonight. Who do you think he turns against this week?

  176. LakeLand Says:

    I have been saying this for weeks now
    The offense is too inconsistent, too many turnovers

    Pittsburgh 23-7
    Chicago 38-3
    Atlanta 24-7
    Cincinnati 21-0

    Even the young Browns outscored them 21-7 in the 2nd half

    They need to be more consistent
    Quit shooting themselves in the feet

  177. stpetebucsfan Says:

    Here’s a wild thought….crazy for sure but at this poins perhaps JW’s best shot at success.

    He still has the big arm…and is a large man…perhaps he could resume his baseball career and get to the bigs as a power pitching relief pitcher.

    No need to develop a lot of pitches…just come in and blow it by folks a couple of innings before they catch up to your speed. If he could learn a killer changeup(maybe he already has one never seen him play baseball) to go with the fastball he might actually have a good ten year career.

    Yeah a long shot but perhaps a better chance at this point than as an NFL QB.

  178. JimmyJack Says:

    At least the world series is on.

  179. LakeLand Says:

    Marcus Davenport has 2 sacks tonight

  180. Jarhead Says:

    You Jameis Haters truly are pathetic. The thing is, it turns out you guys were right but it’s hard to give you any credit because it was mostly filled with hate.

    The Bucs organization has done the right thing in sticking by Jameis and giving him every opportunity to be the Franchise QB. True Bucs fans understand this and root for him to be successful as we know that his success means team success. Unfortunately, today it’s hard to defend keeping him the starter over Fitz and I agree now that he should be benched for FitzMagic.

    Go Bucs

  181. BrianBucs Says:


  182. Bird Says:

    Go back and watch the highlights. Oline was going nuts out there when fitz was scoring 18 points in 3 minutes.

    I think team has given up on Winston.

    Can’t believe the joes thought that eating w’s speech was cool at one time.

  183. BrianBucs Says:

    I bet the flight back from Ohio had some interesting conversations on it

  184. lambchop Says:


    You have the IQ of a 3 year old. DJax opened everyone’s eyes to the horrible QB play? Come on fruitcake. Our guys will take a bullet for whoever is our starting QB but the play speaks for itself. Jameis misses reads, mises his targets, misses his National Championship days. The NFL is a big boy game and it’s clear Fitzpatrick is out playing him. Even if Fitz has a bad game, he deserves to finish the season because he is the only realistic shot we have at not being 3-13. Fitz is accurate for the most part, can hit every single throw, has a gunslinger mentality, is consistently smart with the football, plays high energy, gets rid of the ball or takes off running instead of taking sacks, and he has a high IQ. Imagine if he had a clean pocket all game long. The reason the boys seem like they play better with Fitz is because he gives everyone confidence that he can lead the team to victory and he’s a consummate Pro even if he’s in a backup role. He has finally got the offensive system that suits him and the cast of characters to make something happen.

  185. JimmyJack Says:

    Bird. The offensive line seemed like they were playing a very good at the start of the game too. It was fun to see Barber chunking out yards at the onset. Michael Johnson and I think another defender wenout with injury in the first quarter.

    I thought we had a very strong start to the game…..until the ugly turnovers ruined the momentum.

  186. WalkdaPlank Says:


    One thing you’re forgetting is that we are halfway through the season and as of right now the Bucs have the No. 1 ranked total offense. Which is huge.

    No we do not have a respectable run game and our O-line needs a little work and discipline, but even with barely any run game and a shaky O-line and a QB who loves throwing the football to the other team we are still ranked first in the league. This receiving corp might just be the best in the game and if not it’s darn close. Imagine if we had Le’Veon Bell, or Patrick Mahomes or any of the Cowboys offensive lineman. Just one of those guys on our team would make the offense almost unstoppable.

    And the defense? Terrible. But somehow they have been playing much better since the departure of Mike Smith with a bunch of scrubs playing and people injured across the field. They kept us in this game despite not being able to get off the field for the first 3 quarters thanks to Jameis Winston who also gave the other team points by himself. The Bengals offense is nothing to sleep on and they were lost in the second half until the final drive. Point is we could’ve won this game and the Atlanta game with this defense if not Jameis Winston and his early Christmas turnovers. And those are two pretty good offenses.

    Rebuild? Absolutely not.

  187. bigdaddio Says:

    The inflection point on JW is right now. If he rightly does not start next week, he should be traded for anything you can get and if you can’t get anything he’s the 3rd string emergency QB inactive for every game the rest of the season then released.

    If he starts next week, you ride him out and if he fails to magically improve his football IQ and accuracy issues, the people who made this decision all get fired.

    The clear choice is #1. This offense has too much talent, so much talent that a “game manager” QB can kill on this team (see Fitzpatrick, Ryan). There are plenty of pretty good QB’s to be had every year. If a promising QB is available in the draft, take him, if not make the defense better.

  188. bigdaddio Says:

    Oh, and the guy with the Winston threw another interception on the plane memes sprinkled here. You had me rolling. Good job.

  189. DBS Says:

    To be fair. Fitz could have had 1 picked. Lucky it was just low enough. I would like to hear from Duff about that final drive and why they could not get the stop. Blown assignments or what ever.

  190. bigdaddio Says:

    Oh, and if that was JW’s last game as a buc, what a bookend to his career. 1st pass INT returned for TD. Last pass, INT returned for TD. Feels about right.

  191. Cobraboy Says:

    It’s time to see what Ryan Griffin can do when the bullets are live.

  192. Buc1987 Says:

    LakeLand Says:

    “The Bucs are still searching for a QB,while the other 3 teams in the NFC South are set at QB. Not only QB, but other positions also, and coaching staff.”

    “I don’t see the Bucs winning anything for years to come.”

    Me neither but lots of glee coming from the we hate Jameis crowd. Perhaps they think Fitz is the answer? I don’t know. I don’t that’s for sure. I was certainly not happy with Winston’s play today. Who could be? Bengal’s fans maybe? Oh wait…..certain Bucs fans too… seem to be very happy all over these boards.

    “I don’t see the Bucs winning anything for years to come.”

    Again me neither…oh GLEE!

  193. catcard202 Says:

    I’m not off the Jameis “long-term solution” wagon, just yet… He;s got the rest of this year to prove he’s franchise…Plus, after this fall…There’s an opportunity to get him humbled & refocused on his craft…(a chance to help him get his MoJo back)… Team Glazer ( & rabid fans ) showing a little faith at this low point will either: 1) Pay itself back in spades, if JW3 takes the next step in evolving his NFL game…or 2) The locker room turmoil will continue to feaster & cause slide to the bottom of the division… Which only helps set the next Bucs FO mind trust up with a better 1st rd slot on a replacement for JW3….(Drew Lock)

  194. LakeLand Says:

    The Bucs made their bed
    Now they have to lie in it
    They gave Jameis a pass when they fired Lovie
    And this fanbase was backing them

    Excuses like
    He’s still a baby
    He’s a pro bowl QB
    They thought they were going to lose Koetter
    So they promoted him to HC
    No one was going to hire Koetter as their HC
    Jameis wasn’t a pro bowl QB, he got in by default

    People talking about he’s the youngest QB to throw for 4000
    Just another smokescreen
    Everyone ignoring the turnovers, the erratic play

  195. LakeLand Says:


    There’s something going on with Jameis Winston
    I can’t put a finger on it, but it’s mental
    And has nothing to do with football

  196. Architek Says:

    I applaud you for at least showing up.

    You earned my respect brother.

    Now let’s start discussing tactical quarterback plans moving Fwd because Jameis is in a serious funk and I don’t know if the people at risk should have the patience with him to work it out.

  197. James Walker Says:

    Jameis will move to another team and win a Superbowl. Typical Bucs, give up on talent and then they flourish elsewhere. Of the 8 Bucs QB who have started for at least 3 years, three of them won SB with other teams.

  198. Architek Says:

    Jameis won’t be winning anything until he corrects his fundamentals.

  199. Seminole Bill Says:

    The Bucs really have a problem here. The person they choose to build their team around is not ready to play, and the backup (now starter, Fitz?) is too old to build a team around. So what now? We’re 3-4 but we are also in the toughest division in the NFC – we’re not going to the playoffs having to compete against Newton, Brees and Ryan. This year is a throwaway – forget about winning any more games – play for having the best first round pick we can get so we can draft a QB to replace Jameis. Sorry it turned out this way.

  200. James Walker Says:

    Which he will when he is with another team. He is only 24 years old. Jameis was 11 years old when Fitzpatrick was drafted.

  201. Buc1987 Says:

    Architek…pardon my long lapse in replying… I’m on JBF’s “watchlist” these days. I post…. 3 days later it shows up……like I’m pond scum.

    Cheers JBF’s screener. Jack and Ginger’s all around. smh

    I’d say we all have to stay tuned at this point.

    What would I do if I were HC? One of Jameis Winston’s biggest fans….me? I’m certainly not going to go apecrap like most of this site is doing that’s for sure. Joe’s talking about Licht entertaining trading Jameis, BY TUESDAY and what not….ludicrous stuff.

    What would you do?

  202. LifeOfABucFan Says:

    Yeah OK James Walker..and I believe Kucherov and Hedman will have a love-fest with me…Fantasies are just that!!!

  203. Buc1987 Says:

    Seminole Bill…sorry it turned out this way? Who’s sorry? You? You’re are sorry.

    Yes you are…sorry…you have been trashing the kid since way back….do I need to comb the archives for your posts?

    Sorry it turned out this way…..yes sorry!

  204. WalkdaPlank Says:


    WRONG. I can’t speak for everybody, but I believe for myself and the majority of the Jameis “haters” we are NOT happy about this. I would have LOVED for Jameis to come out and have a monster game against an average at best defense. But, yet again, he didn’t. You see 87, us “Jameis haters”, don’t hate Jameis, we just don’t want to settle for a guy who is never going to win us a Super Bowl but go ahead and call him a “Franchise QB” when he is, in fact, not that at all. I think we would all have loved to see Winston light it up this year and earn a new contract and take us the playoffs but it is clear that is not happening. Do you really want a guy like this to continue leading your team? A guy who was taken 1st overall but in his 4th year can’t stop making bad decisions, can’t stop turning the ball over, and has off-field issues?

    Fans who see that a QB is not the real deal and want something better are not bad fans. Unfortunately Winston is not the real deal, and now this game has brought that to light to the nation and to some Bucs fans. I’m not “happy” about Winston failing because that means the Bucs are failing too. However hopefully we can lay the “Franchise QB” and “quarterback of the future” talks to rest because Winston is not that and some people are just now realizing it because of this game.

  205. Buc1987 Says:

    Architek…I’d love to talk with you…but to the Joe’s I’m pond scum these days.

    Whatever…. how does one person(a fan)of not just a team but a site (JBF) care anymore at some point?Especially when that said site CENSORS and screens everything I type (yuck) and write. BIGGER sites than yours don’t come close to this kind of censorship….so any excuse about “what’s said on our site is our responsibility”….is NONSENSE…been to the major political sites lately? NOTHING gets screened like JBF and you guys. I can say wtf ever I want on the Hill or CNN. Not JBF though…podunk Trashco-Hernando small market BS. Hitler-esque. Grow a pair. Or is two pair?

    Dear Joe’s : you run a blog of an NFL team that’s one of the dregs of the NFL. Small market Bucs and you CENSOR it’s fans. Keep relevant ya know. Keep it real….lmfao. REALLY? Go Big Dawg style I guess….

  206. Jason Hull Says:

    This offense is almost untouchable but the defense needs help I do agree Winston can’t handle it but a lot pressure on him but he sucks time to go to magic Winston needs to go too many chances dirk the head coach aka the dickhead save your job but that’s too late anyway

  207. Buc1987 Says:

    WalkdaPlank…well then wallow in OUR sorrows for the next FOREVER then. Nobody is calling you a bad fan.

    I did not draft Jameis Winston. I don’t work for the Bucs. I wanted Jameis Winston like 10’s of thousands of Bucs fans.

    It’s not me against you……although that’s the the JBF way.

    Do I still think Jameis can work it all out…..YUP. Not here though.

  208. Buc1987 Says:

    What would you do with Jameis Joes?

  209. cmurda Says:

    @87. I’m not one of the JW haters. I could defend him for a few years but it’s becoming increasingly obvious that he can’t flourish here. I just see the makings of Josh Freeman. You see the talent but the mental part of the game is weak. Bad decisions, ill-advised throws, inaccurate throws. Trade Jameis if you can get a 1st rounder for him but I don’t think we can settle for less than that. I honestly can’t see any team giving up their 1st round pick for JW. If the organization is sure they want to move on, I don’t think JW’s value will ever be more. They’d have to take what they can get. I wouldn’t blame the Glazers if they went that route. The on-field performance isn’t making the off-field antics an afterthought.

  210. WalkdaPlank Says:


    I’ll be honest with you, I wanted Mariota. I was against drafting Winston but when the Bucs did I sucked it up because he was now our QB, and I’m not gonna root for our QB to fail as it would mean failure for our Bucs. Looking back on it, nobody can blame the Bucs for drafting Winston. The kid only lost one game in his life. And he’s a competitor. And of course Mariota wouldn’t have been any better anyway. But this is the way things have panned out. Winston has one of the best group of guys in the entire NFL to throw to and he can’t hit em when he needs to. I mean, he overthrows Mike freakin’ Evans, who does that? Obviously if Winston had a run game or the Cowboys O-line or a reliable defense I think he would play better, but then again what QB wouldn’t with all of that? I don’t expect him to win every game with this team because it’s a team sport and the Bucs are bad, but I do expect him to make the throws he needs to make, and not turn the ball over, and be a reliable and consistent QB, and he has done none of those things.

    Sad day in Tampa Bay.

  211. T REX Says:

    Winston should’ve never been drafted by Tsmpa. He needed a fresh start outside of FL. He still might work out somewhere else but it wont be here. He’s polarizing and divisive. Better he move on. Sorry it didnt work out but he cant stay here. Total housecleaning is needed.

  212. Alanbucsfan Says:

    Jameis was terrible and he’s the reason Bucs lost.
    Good news is running game looked much improved.
    Play Fitz while he’s hot again, let Jameis sit for a few games. If Fitz stays effective, leave him in, don’t patronize Jameis.
    You can’t trade Jameis now, his stock is too low.

    This team just doesn’t have a winning attitude. The defense was carved up by
    Mixon in 1st half, and then with game on the line at the end, they start playing prevent defense, no blitzing and Dalton has his best drive of game.

  213. LakeLand Says:

    Steve Young didn’t start for 3 seasons with the Bucs. He was only year for 2 years, only started 16 games and begged Culverhouse to trade him. He had seen enough and wanted out of this sewer.

  214. LakeLand Says:

    The Bucs offense isn’t consistent and they turn the ball over too much.

    Pittsburgh 23-7
    Chicago 38-3
    Atlanta 21-6
    Cincinnati 21-0

    Even the Young browns outscored them 21-7 in the 2nd half

    there’s nothing great about this offense

  215. WalkdaPlank Says:


    Jameis Winston is no Steve Young

    And the offense of the 80’s Bucs makes the offense of the 2018 Bucs look like gods.

    Apples to oranges my friend

  216. WalkdaPlank Says:

    “The Bucs offense isn’t consistent and they turn the ball over too much”

    I think you meant to say “Jameis Winston”

    Talk about Peyton Barber and RoJo all you want but I don’t see them fumbling the ball nor any of the receivers (minus one from Brate I think).

  217. Oneilbucs Says:

    Jamies will go win somewhere else just like the rest of them. But y’all never had his back . So I think Jamies ready to move on now . Y’all been trying to run him out of town. So now y’all can shut up. Now watch what happens when he leaves and get some real coaching. Coaching is very important for a young quarterback growth. And when you don’t have got it that’s the out come . I hate a talent young quarterback came to a franchise and fan base like this . But history will repeat itself. When he go win somewhere else.

  218. Oneilbucs Says:

    You know what Elie Mannon have had a lot of games like this and they called him a hall of fame quarter back. We will lose with fizpatrick as well.

  219. LakeLand Says:

    They was turning it over in the Steelers game

    That game started the slump

  220. LakeLand Says:

    The Bucs are the WORST team in the NFC South
    I don’t care who the QB is
    I don’t care about their total offense

    They still are the WORST team in the NFC South

  221. WalkdaPlank Says:


    Does the name Josh Freeman ring a bell? Man was that guy talented. The way he used to throw the deep ball to Vincent Jackson and Mike Williams got me excited. And when he used to run the ball his first couple of years, the guy was fun to watch, truly. He even threw 25 TD’s and only 6 INT’s and led our Bucs to 10-6 almost a decade ago. Everyone started calling him a franchise QB and that the guys taken before him in the draft (Stafford and Sanchez) were not as good as him. The Bucs should have made the playoffs that year, what a time to be a Bucs fan.

    Then he started playing bad, like really bad. And he got a new coach, Greg Schiano that clearly didn’t like him. Freeman started tossing up inconsistent games where he would flash some of that 2010 greatness but then kill drives with his inability to hit receivers or take care of the ball. People turned against him, wanted him gone. He even had some off-field issues and eventually Bucs fans got their wish when he was cut. Some Freeman Bucs fans said his talent was wasted here and Schiano and the fans ruined his talents and that he would succeed elsewhere.

    Do you know where he is now? And doesn’t his story seem a lot like Jameis Winston’s minus the winning season?

  222. LakeLand Says:

    It was the eagles game that started the turnover trend

    Philly. 2
    Steelers. 4
    Bears. 3
    Bengals. 4

    19 turnovers in 6 games
    And people are actually bragging about this offense

  223. LakeLand Says:

    I predicted 4-12 for the Bucs before the season

    I predicted Carolina and New Orleans will be fighting for the NFC South title

  224. LakeLand Says:

    The Bucs problem is, they don’t know how to win football games
    They know how to move the football

    But they don’t know how to win football games
    They don’t have that winning attitude

  225. LifeOfABucFan Says:

    Well said WalkDaPlank…well said…

  226. Godeep66 Says:

    HahahahahahHA: you JW snowflakes were wrong. I was right!!!! America’s turnover machine is as dumb as a bag of hammers and always will be. Yesterday’s effort makes you wonder if he had money on the game for the Bucs to lose.

  227. isrBuc Says:

    Fitszpatrick bring no energy and no hype and nothing like that. He’s just the better QB, one of the best in this league right now. That’s all.
    The players know FB and they don’t care about “checking what we got in JW”. They have their own issues and want to win. They know who’s the best QB and should be playing.

  228. TBTemojin Says:

    Anyone who says “Tank for Tua” needs to lose their ability to comment on this here FAN page!!! TUA IS NOT ELIGIABLE!!! HE WILL NOT BE IN THE DRAFT NEXT YEAR!!!! definition of fair weather fans.

  229. Marlow Says:

    Schiano and Freeman
    Koetter and Winston
    -I think they were both good coaches with the anchor tied to the wrong ship.
    -This time I hope the Glazers don’t fire the head coach bad for personnel decisions. Fire the GM. Also, the players do seem to like Koetter. I haven’t heard any rumbling about the coach from the locker room… just on these pages.

  230. Cobraboy Says:

    We have seen this before.

    Trent Dilfer II: moments if brilliance sandwiched between dumbass.

  231. Cobraboy Says:

    And BTW: I do not believe Koetter when he claims Winston sees the whole field incredibly well. No way, not based on some of his passes.

    Dude had 4 picks yesterday…and should have had 2 more.

  232. stpetebucsfan Says:


    I feel your pain and so I understand some of your more “emotional” responses.

    I almost always agree with you and I’m one of your fans. But here is something to be aware of…you never make your own furniture look better by chopping up your neighbors for comparison. Trashing Fitz does not make JW look any better!

    I do not believe Fitzmagic is the next coming of a great QB. But he COULD be the next coming of Rich Gannon or another older QB who flourished.

    The line in your post that triggered me? The one about how Fitz collapses with pressure in his face.

    Did you see the two point conversion that tied the game. Our OL parted in the middle like Moses parting the Red Sea and there was literally a smile on the Bengal defender’s face as he shot that gap and was ready to crush Fitz.

    Fitz jumps up into the air sideways…leaning enough to make the guy miss the CERTAIN game saving sack. Check that play out on replay….I watch it not because I’m a huge Fitz believer but because it was just an AMAZING effort.

  233. T REX Says:

    @ Oneill – will you leave with him? Please?

  234. BuccaneEric75 Says:

    PSLBob, plenty of SB winning, and/or franchise QBs have had 4 INT games. Peyton, Eli, Brett, Dan, Troy to name a few. I still think Winston is done here, but elite QBs have had more INTs in a game.

  235. BuccaneEric75 Says:

    I’ve been a Winston guy, but let’s stop pretending that we all haven’t seen the obvious. Fitzpatrick gives us the best chance to win on Sunday. That doesn’t mean that Winston won’t in the future, but nothing I’ve seen all season makes me feel worse with Fitz under center than Jameis, and that sucks.

  236. Buc-n-Idaho Says:

    I’m not a Winston guy, I’m a Buccaneer guy. I have been longer than most of you fools have been alive.

    All of you who think Fitz is a better choice than Winston are football idiots!!!

    One of you summed it up perfectly a few days ago when you said that if the Buc’s win or lose, you won’t lose any sleep. Some of us will, and know better.

    When you get your way and Winston wins his Super Bowl with his next team while we are still cellar dwellers, you will make lame excuses like you did with Dilfer. Your not real fans, you have no football intelligence. GET LOST!!!