66 Dropbacks!

October 22nd, 2018

“Monk, let Jameis sleep in today.”

In a game in which they were winning or tied for the majority of play against a Browns team that was terrible against the run before they arrived in Tampa, your beloved Buccaneers dropped back to pass 66 times and handed off just 22 times.

That’s not the preferred formula for winning NFL football.

Of course, on 10 of those 66 dropbacks, America’s Quarterback, Jameis Winston, took off running when the pass options weren’t there or the pass rush was too strong. And Jameis was spectacular running the rock for 55 yards and one touchdown.

Yes, Joe saw Peyton Barber get banged up. But it’s not too much to ask for your backup running backs to have some juice. Jacquizz Rodgers and Ronald Jones were subpar.

Is anything going to make this Bucs run game consistent? Joe doesn’t see it at this point. The offensive line is healthy and the Bucs have blocking tight ends but still the run game is among the worst in the NFL. Heck, the Bucs were at home yesterday with a lead and Dirk Koetter and Todd Monken lost confidence in it — again, against a poor run-stuffing team.

What a help it would be to Jameis if the Bucs could even have an average rushing attack — kind of like if they could manage to find a below average defense on a consistent basis.

Looking to find blame in the run game, Koetter said Friday that “it’s rarely the runner.”

50 Responses to “66 Dropbacks!”

  1. Sarasota Garey Says:

    2 intereptions on 62 drop backs doesnt seem that bad.

  2. LakeLand Says:

    A ‘One Dimensional’ offense won’t get you far in the NFL

  3. JimmyT Says:

    62 dropbacks and 2 picks and all the talk is how bad Jameis played. Guess what the odds are very high for any qb to misfire if he is asked to drop back 62 times. Jameis can’t CANT win even when we win

  4. AlteredEgo Says:

    Move On .Bucs

  5. BradentuckeyBuc Says:

    Clearly Jamies needs more weapons!

  6. miken Says:

    @sarasota… it’s not but add the fumble that led to an easy 7 and a lot of missed plays and it wasn’t a great day. Some real bad decisons. Didn’t like the rojo pick and still haven’t seen anything from him. Thought Guice was a future pro bowler. Dissapointing we still cant run the ball well. At no time does it ever feel like we can break off a 20 plus yard run.

  7. NewTampaChris Says:

    OL got dominated at the point of attack. RBs had a few nice runs when there were holes but more often than not, they were consistently running into a brick wall.

  8. LakeLand Says:

    The Bucs offensive line were ranked 26th by PFF before the game

    They were ranked 31st in run blocking by Football Outsiders

  9. Alanbucsfan Says:

    Koetter should take over OL coaching himself
    If they think these OLinemen are worth $50 million contracts and yet produce 2.8 yds per carry, then they either like throwing away their money or the coaching sucks.

  10. LakeLand Says:

    I thought they should have drafted a OG in the 2nd round of the draft

  11. JimmyT Says:

    It’s obvious to ANYONE w an ounce of sense that the TBT has an agenda on their story lines re Jameis.. They said two picks and a fumble like he had ANY CHANCE in that strip sack by GARRETT! It’s a shame what is going on in this town w the media. If I was JW I would NEVER apologize, he should say ” hey I dropped back 62 times and had a couple off throws, I feel good on how I played”! Stop saying “I can’t turn the ball over”! Until this team finds balance on offense expect more of the same

  12. Pickgrin Says:

    OLine is definitely not doing the running backs many favors.

    Still can’t understand why we didn’t sign AP. He’s playing for vet minimum in Washington this year and even at 33 years old would easily be the best RB on our roster.

    Quizz is making half a million more than AP is this year. What’s wrong with that picture? Especially after Winston and a # of Bucs worked out with AP in the early off-season and came back raving about how good Peterson looked…

  13. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    Our right guard situation is a HUGE problem. Every time I look, they are getting blown up. It’s beyond ridiculous. There has to be someone that could do better. We drafted Kappa in the third (I think), so we might as well give him a chance. I know it will probably be bad, but I don’t think it could be any worse than our current situation. Until we get that fixed, we’ll never be able to run the ball.

  14. Bucsfanman Says:

    We’re LUCKY to have won! Cleveland gave us ample opportunity to crush their throat!
    62 attempts isn’t going to cut it! They better find balance, SOON!

  15. LakeLand Says:

    This O-Line has been bad for 6-8 years. When they signed Carl Nicks, they thought they had upgraded the OG position. But Nicks was injured and was forced to retire. They traded for Logan Mankins, he was good for the 2 years was here, then he retired. They drafted Donovan Smith and Ali Marpet in the 2nd round. They should have continued drafting quality O-Linemen in round 1-2.

  16. Loyaltotheend Says:

    All that money paid to Jensen and Marpet had no push up the middle

  17. DB55 Says:

    I guess no one wants to discuss the insane amount of drops the WRs has including Djax dropping a TD that hit him right in the breadbasket. Maybe it’s not Winston’s fault but wtfdik

  18. LakeLand Says:

    The Bucs put themselves in this position

    Everytime they ‘cleaned house’ the new regime wanted their players
    They got rid of some good players during the process


    Donald Penn
    Jeremy Zuttah
    Ted Larsen
    Patrick Omameh

  19. Eric Says:

    It worked.

  20. LakeLand Says:


    I would mention it
    But I didn’t watch the game
    I was watching the Bears-Patriots and the Panthers-Eagles games
    I can only comment on the stats

  21. Armando Says:

    All the QB’s that won yesterday – none had more than 40 attempts, none led their team in rushing and none had two game winning drives and none where blamed for WINNING the game

  22. Joe Says:

    But I didn’t watch the game


  23. LakeLand Says:


    I don’t live in the Tampa Bay area anymore
    They didn’t show the game where I live
    I was trying to watch it on the internet
    But I was having problems getting it

  24. Frank Pillow Says:

    We can’t execute play action or close out games due to our ineffective ground game. In part, our TEs, WRs and QB have to work a little harder to get open- at the very least, their margin for error is near or at zero. Does that excuse the lack of ball security (looking at you Hump and Brate) or Jameis short-arming the throw to a wide open Howard or whatever the heck that INT was in OT, no…not at all…but at 23-9 the Browns were ripe for being mauled into submission.

    I think we can all agree that Marpet and Smith have not exactly been road-graders. We can probably also agree that the run scheme and play-calling may not fit what are backs are best at- something’s amiss- b/c there’s no way a stretch run should be called at the .5 yd line. I mean never, ever.

    Beyond all of that is the abysmal play of Benenoch (aka El Matador). Week after week, the guy ‘Ole-Ole’s’ opposing DTs, gets over-powered and/or misses his assignments. He’s a huge liability, yet, week after week he starts…Joes, please, please, ask Monken or Koetter why! I know John Hannah isn’t in this locker room, but Evan Smith looks far more serviceable than Benenoch right now.

  25. Dapostman Says:

    More jet sweeps please for running plays……………….Or even fake jet sweeps……………..something other than smash mouth……………..because this OL can not do it……………..

  26. i like gunslingers Says:

    why is it that licht has not made a significant trade for clearly an upgrade in the running game, carlos hyde would have been a good one, there is a week left on the trade deadline jason, we clearly need a spark at running back, o-line is healthy and our backs are subpar, make it happen, we have some creme of the crop tight ends (brate) and a dangerous receiver (djax) whom winston could not hit if he tried, that other teams are desperate for, lions need a tight end, we need a corner, there’s got to be a club out there needing djax that’s got competent backs out there

  27. Brad Isherwood Says:

    O Line folds back leaving JW inside like Custer at the Lil Bighorn.
    JW has time to read and step into passes.
    RB is caught up in the Sioux rush : )

    TE might do better if this the way of things.
    Can block and take a check off pass…scoot to sidelines.
    We got Tower TEs. …could use them better.

  28. 813bucboi Says:


    we ran the ball well in 2015….doug was only behind AP….

    the problem isn’t the oline….its coaching scheme and philosophy….


  29. Joe Says:

    O Line folds back leaving JW inside like Custer at the Lil Bighorn.

    Great line, but not sure if accurate. Didn’t Custer pretty much paint himself into a fatal corner?

  30. Trench War Says:

    Also consider that with a running game, it helps limit the amount of pressure and time put on the passing game. Having a balanced attack is lethal and allows the offense to dictate the t.o.p., and neutralize a defenses game plan. When you know you have balance ya make better decisions. It gives teams more confidence, offensively, and defensively.

  31. LakeLand Says:


    It’s the same offensive coaching staff
    The only difference is Koetter is now HC

  32. adam from ny Says:

    as a kid all i remember was dallas doing sweeps and tony dorsett going for 5 yards plus on every carry…and stiff arming dudes as he turned the corner…

    i mean like hey…can’t we do that with rojo???…sounds simple enough…he’s fast…

    “alstott up the gut” no longer works here in tampa…

  33. adam from ny Says:

    dirk you didn’t give barber 22 carries like i told you to…

    give him 22 carries and he will reward you with 90-120 yards…

    try it and you shall see…

    or don’t, and watch joe mixon go 22 for 108 on sunday

  34. Trench War Says:

    The Rams are this years poster child for that perfect balanced offense, while their defense thrives off the positive energy.

  35. 813bucboi Says:


    that and the philosophy…..

    your not saying that dirk and lovie have the same offensive philosophy are you?….we all know that aint true…..


  36. adam from ny Says:

    ya gotta give this jameis dilemma a proper name…i’d call it:


    sounds about right ^^^^^

  37. ClodHopper Says:

    62-22. Or as Lovie would say, “Balanced”

  38. Not there yet Says:

    I seem to remember Cam Brate fumbling also. No one accused Winston of the being an accurate passer but seriously it’s better than throwing 3 picks in a half. 62 dropbacks what qb should be doing that? Koetter is a failure and afraid of change. They looked like they had great o line depth but the starters look like crap except the two highest paid guys. Licht and Koetter won but are still on the hot seat. Your fired your friend but isn’t trying to put the pressure on your run game coordinator? And what they is up with Warhop.

  39. Joe Blahak Says:

    yeah…the 2nd and 5 to go and empty backfield crap…seen too much of that..how bout lining up in an “I” some time and pounding it behind Auclair with Barber…run game gets pushed aside too quickly…. every game! 🙁

  40. Dapostman Says:

    Article on ESPN from Mike Sando:

    Teams ideally support their young quarterbacks with a strong defense and ground game. The Buccaneers have not done this for Winston. They’ve given him excellent receiving weapons, thrown him the keys to the car and asked him to slam down the accelerator in an effort to outscore opponents.

    The numbers tell a striking story. Winston’s passes have traveled past the first-down marker on 57 percent of attempts, by far the highest rate for any of the 29 quarterbacks with at least 1,000 pass attempts since 2015. Meanwhile, the Bucs have played good defense — 50th percentile or higher in ESPN’s efficiency metric — in about 35 percent of his starts. That is the lowest rate for any of those 29 QBs and about half the rate for Case Keenum and Russell Wilson.

    Winston has played OK for a team that has needed him to play like Drew Brees.

    Also on ESPN, only 2 QB’s have a passer rating of BELOW 105 when throwing to open WR:


    Good night………………Keep Winston. He will only get better.

  41. MarkV Says:

    C’mon Joe! Just a little bit of objective journalism PLEASE. I don’t want to run Jameis out of town, but I see the issues and understand why some do and find your continuing to defend against the obvious frustrating. He obviously has talent, but he can’t develop any chemistry with our deep threat WR and some of his interceptions couldn’t come at worse times or leave many more of us scratching ouor heads wondering what he was thinking. Now throw in the off field stuff (the same “can he be the face of the franchise” fears many had before he was drafted), and I get it. Personally, I want him to succeed because if he doesn’t we have to start all over again. But I’m not sold on him being the franchise yet. He’s is arguably the best quarterback this franchise has ever had…but that’s akin to being the tallest midget on a basketball team. This team is loaded. Fitz is one of the all time journeymen QBs, and even Jameis said he knew he’d light it up with all of the talent on offense.

  42. martinii Says:

    Ya can’t criticize a “W” no matter how hard you try

  43. DB55 Says:

    The way I see it Winston got hit on 2 or the 3 turnovers and the third wouldn’t have happened if we could make a kick. Make either of the 2 missed kicks and there’s no overtime.

  44. JimmyJack Says:

    All I know is when Dirk was named HC he was handed a team that was very successful running the ball. The decisions made on the Oline have been questionable at best and that’s likely a huge part of the problem.

    I really think Dirk is trying to copy what they do in GB……Problem is he doesn’t have Aaron Rodgers yet he seems to act like he does.

    If you wanna rush the ball it takes commitment………yesterday Barber got less then 3 carries per quarter(11 total). Dirk is not committed to rushing, probably never will. It just is what it is

  45. JimmyJack Says:

    Barber averaging less then 3 carries per quarter for the whole season so far too.

  46. Vivian Says:

    I saw too many people complaining about JW’s interceptions and sack/fumble. You can’t expect perfection when a qb throws 52 TIMES.

  47. Rod Munch Says:

    22 runs up the middle on 1st down.

    Dirk, and I know it’s Dirk calling this horse-s, here’s an idea, if you run the ball up the gut on every 1st down, when you’re going to pass on 1st down, try not going to shotgun. You see dope, there’s this thing called a play action pass, and if you’re known as a hack who does the same thing over and over and over again, then use that to your advantage, come out and make the opponent THINK you’re going to run up the middle again and instead pass the ball – but don’t telegraph to the defense that you’re passing the ball by going to shotgun. Use some football smarts for once.

    With that said I will say against a blitz heavy team you don’t want to get stuck in a PA when they’re run blitzing and get through the line – yes, that can be bad, but this is literally what the Bucs have been doing since after week 2 when Dirk said we MUST run the ball more.

  48. Kenny Says:

    It’s not 1994 anymore, Joe. All modern analytics show that every time you hand the ball off, youre wasting a play.

    Passing is the future and statistically a FAR better/smarter play than running.

    In 10 years, the run game will be all but dead. Alvan Kamara is the future.

  49. Kobe Faker Says:

    “Hey Munch,

    Part of Kobe died when Klueless starting calling plays away from Monken. I wanted JW to QB under Monks playcalling…..

    Like is not fair”

    Kobe Faker

  50. Dapostman Says:


    Alvin Kamara runs and catches balls. Geez if only life was that simple putting Alvin Kamara behind an OL like New Orleans has.