Matching The Carson Palmer, Cam Newton Profile
August 6th, 2018
America’s Quarterback, Jameis Winston, is a lot of things, but he’s rarely compared to Carson Palmer and Cam Newton.
Perhaps he should be.
That’s the word from one of the premier, stat-obsessed PFF tribesman Steve Palazzolo. The former minor league pitcher has crunched all kinds of numbers to rank every starting QB in the NFL. He’s got Jameis at the bottom of the middle-of-the-pack.
The PFF data shows Jameis as a quarterback with a giant ceiling and a propensity to embrace danger.
19. JAMEIS WINSTON, TAMPA BAY BUCCANEERS
2017 Cluster: 3
A highly-volatile passer throughout his career, Winston had the second-highest percentage of positively-graded throws last season, but also ranked 36th out of 41 qualifiers at avoiding turnover-worthy plays. He’s capable of carrying a passing offense due to his ability to throw with anticipation and drive the ball down the field, but he must cut down on the mistakes that have plagued his first three years in the league (and his last season at Florida State). On the bright side for Bucs fans, quarterbacks with Winston’s profile have shown capable of putting it all together in one-season stretches (Carson Palmer, Cam Newton), so a top-notch season could be in the cards at some point.
Reasonable assessment here, but Palazzolo has Jameis as the 13th best QB in the NFC. That’s harsh. Joe would argue that Jameis is 8th, 9th or 10th-best.
August 6th, 2018 at 11:33 am
For someone who calls them well trained orangutans, you sure feature them in a lot of articles… IJS 😜
August 6th, 2018 at 11:33 am
Right, Brett Fabre qualities. You can most certainly win with that as he matures.
August 6th, 2018 at 12:01 pm
“He’s maturing at his own pace”…to quote a regular poster on here.
August 6th, 2018 at 12:06 pm
Walter, it seems your maturing at a snails pace, if at all. D!ck. It’s gonna be fun knowing JW is gonna haunt you for years to come. And the thing is, he couldn’t give a rats ass about you or the other nancy boys posting their feminine opinions. I love it.
August 6th, 2018 at 12:20 pm
@gilhealy: you gonna visit him in Rayford????
August 6th, 2018 at 12:21 pm
His athletic ability is on par, or better than, the other NFC South QB’s. Brees and Ryan are at the latter end of their NFL careers (Ryan – 11th year, Drew Brees – 17th year). Jameis’ question marks are his judgment in forcing plays and his maturity. Both are unresolved.
August 6th, 2018 at 12:26 pm
Carson never won the big one. Cam bitched out of a fumble on the big stage.
August 6th, 2018 at 12:26 pm
Who, Walter. Nah.
August 6th, 2018 at 12:27 pm
Maybe I missed it but why would anyone call the 10th best passer in the NFC “America’s Quarterback”?
August 6th, 2018 at 12:28 pm
Correct me if I am wrong but I don’t think Carson or Cam have ever been suspended by the league. I am almost certain that neither would have attempted to cover up their lies by ropping in other NFL players to cover up his les.
August 6th, 2018 at 12:31 pm
Even with his supporting cast last year Winston made mistakes that cost his team wins. Difference makers elevate the players around them to play better than what they are. Farve did – not many pro bowlers stayed that way once they moved on from Green Bay. Winston doesn’t do what Farve did, not even close. Could you imagine this offense with Farve being the one throwing to Evans, Godwin, etc? They’d be terrifying.
August 6th, 2018 at 12:33 pm
I don’t know if anyone noticed…but Jameis had the same number of turnovers as Matt Ryan last year. In fact, they were pretty close on several stats.
August 6th, 2018 at 12:35 pm
Oh, and although several people like to say Jameis is the worst QB in the division, that title actually falls to Cam Newton.
And don’t bother mentioning wins. Wins are not listed as a stat for individual players for a reason…they are a team effort.
August 6th, 2018 at 12:36 pm
Louisfriend Says
“Even with his supporting cast last year Winston made mistakes that cost his team wins.”
Please…name one. Because he actually led the team from behind to take the lead late in games multiple times, and the defense lost those games.
He also had his highest rating of his career. All that while he was injured.
August 6th, 2018 at 12:37 pm
@Louisfriend
Also, if you want to use Favre as an example, use him when he was 24 like Jameis…and almost getting benched nearly every game he played.
August 6th, 2018 at 12:41 pm
JameISNOT Says
“Correct me if I am wrong but I don’t think Carson or Cam have ever been suspended by the league.”
I don’t think Carson was, but I think Cam was. I think it was a team suspension, and he was benched because a night club incident. The team said it was a dress code violation, but it was later revealed it was because of something that happened in a San Fran strip club.
August 6th, 2018 at 12:42 pm
Louis lets just remind you that the only time Farve won the big one is when he happened to have a guy named Reggie White on this team. Just in case you forgot the facts. But then again facts probably allude you quite often when talking about football.
August 6th, 2018 at 12:44 pm
JameISNOT Says
“Correct me if I am wrong but I don’t think Carson or Cam have ever been suspended by the league.”
Cam was. He was benched because a night club incident. The team said it was a dress code violation, but it was later revealed it was because of something that happened in a San Fran club.
Also, he lost sponsors because of comments he made to a female reporter.
August 6th, 2018 at 12:46 pm
Atta boy, Bonzai. These fems are ruining this site. All facebook pages have JW’s back. They all know they can come here to spew their womanly views on the regular. It seems like it’s that time of the month all the time for these women. I appreciate your rebuttals.
August 6th, 2018 at 12:47 pm
So Joe, you are good with paying $20M per to the 9th best QB in the NFC?
August 6th, 2018 at 12:48 pm
Just about the going rate for starting quarterbacks.
August 6th, 2018 at 12:52 pm
IT’S ALL ABOUT WINNING!!!!!! SOMETHING WINSTON SIMPLY CAN NOT DO. CUT THIS GUY, HE STINKS
August 6th, 2018 at 1:04 pm
No way JW is top 10, not even close. He is middle of the pack and will need to clean up turnovers and interceptions and ball accuracy to move higher.
August 6th, 2018 at 1:12 pm
Most of his turnovers i didnt even care about. Any turnover vs carolina was a game we gonna lose anyway. And why should he tick the ball and settle for a FG? Since when the he!! could we kick freaking FGs………..Do you know what a very safe playcall is that has a very small chance to result in a turnover? That would be a running play, the thing Koetter hasnt been able to figire out………Yeah yah Winston is a laughing stock……..so are most of his teammates
August 6th, 2018 at 1:24 pm
gilhealy………..dick? Interesting.
August 6th, 2018 at 1:28 pm
And furthermore, gilhealy likes to say “Dick” “Rats ass” “Nancy boys” and “feminine opinions” …….certain indications of maturity. And apparently you do care about my opinion, or you wouldn’t take the time and effort to eloquently display your IQ which resembles Winston’s jersey number.
August 6th, 2018 at 1:31 pm
No way is JW as good or better than:
Brady
Rodgers
Ryan
Rivers
Brees
Wentz
Stafford
Carr
Wilson
Luck
And about 4 or 5 more. Anyone that asserts otherwise cant objectively evaluate talent.
August 6th, 2018 at 1:42 pm
@rob: you forgot Fitzpatrick
August 6th, 2018 at 2:11 pm
@bucbonzai: I am sure you remember me from last year. I am the one that called it exactly the way it played out for dumb as a bag of hammers JW. You came after me hard, and like your Winocheo crab leg stealing qb you ended up on the losing side. Fan of JameISNOT or not we all had the thought that n draft day “ I hope he does not screw up”….. well he has so get over it. He is done in Tampa. He has no morals and ethics and never will.
August 6th, 2018 at 3:07 pm
Rob joe said in the nfc some basic reading comprehension is required for the site full of words. There are only 16 teams in the nfc so saying he is 10th is not a compliment. Read retain relax.
August 6th, 2018 at 3:11 pm
Winston is last of four in his own division. I have him at 14 just above Trubisky and Bradford and even that’s an iffy.
Is he better than,
C.Newton
K.Cousins
A.Smith
Jimmy GQ
August 6th, 2018 at 3:14 pm
Trench War – don’t despair, it could be worse. We could have drafted Sam Darnold in the 2018 draft
August 6th, 2018 at 3:41 pm
Gilhealy does rhyme with hillbilly.
August 6th, 2018 at 3:48 pm
Comparing JW at well 23 last year against the likes of these players is apples to oranges. Unless you also see where they were at 23.
E Manning
A Smith
Rodgers
Stafford
Cousins
Ryan
Brees
Newton
Bradford
Garoppolo 2 full years older
Wilson
You can compare him too:
Wentz
Prescott
Goff
Trubiski
I would take Wentz over him at this point but the other 3 probably not. Even Wentz is a full year older.
Winston is going to be a top tier NFL QB. Just a matter of time.
August 6th, 2018 at 3:57 pm
@depostman: 5 years from now you will be comparing his rap sheet stats with Leaf, Mansfield,and deMarcus Russel Now that will be an interesting stat comparison.
August 6th, 2018 at 3:59 pm
In the NFC what QB would you NOT trade Winston for equally?
August 6th, 2018 at 4:01 pm
Goff over Winston
August 6th, 2018 at 5:19 pm
Bonzai,
Winston and Ryan tied for int’ s. Ok, Winston played 3 games less than Ryan.
August 6th, 2018 at 5:28 pm
Walter Ziegheil yes he is as does every man so get over yourself. He’s going to put it all together then you and your band of butt hurts will have less to whine about. Of course we all know you clowns will never forgive him so you will cry on. If he doesn’t contrary to your belief it will be bon voyagee don’t let the door hit you where the good Lord split you. Won’t be no skin off my back. Unlike you I don’t hope the young man fails cause I can see past his deeds, and unlike you I don’t get my drawers pulled up into my neck because of him.
August 6th, 2018 at 5:38 pm
Dapostman,
The age thing is not as important as experience. JW is a 3yr starter. Not many players start at 20. So the where we’re they at 23 is misleading.
JW was the #1 pick in the NFL draft , the most, or one of the top 3, pro ready QB’ s to be drafted in years. He made that list at 19-20yrs old.
August 6th, 2018 at 5:44 pm
The best entertainment today is watching Walter and David go at it in a every thread!
😀
August 6th, 2018 at 5:59 pm
DavidBigBucsFan, your command of the English language is something to behold!! Amazing!! And it’s funny when you say “I don’t hope the young man fails”…….too late for that!! He’s already failed on multiple occasions.
August 6th, 2018 at 6:08 pm
Bonzai shoots, he scores. His points were very valid and he won even though he never had to pull the Big Ben or Vick card. Hell. Favre had his own sex scandal in New York.
August 6th, 2018 at 6:38 pm
…and the fan base continues to be split. What a shame.
August 6th, 2018 at 8:10 pm
Bucs would start out 0-3 even with Winston because it is very easy to see that he is nowhere near the class of the 3 QB’s the Bucs will face in those games.
Just like continually finishing last in your division because you have the 4th best QB there as well
August 6th, 2018 at 8:25 pm
Oh I’m sorry Walter Ziegheil did I use a double negative? My bad I don’t always hang around upstanding proper English speaking people. Please forgive me for tweaking your vernacular superiority! Bet you just made you feel good about yourself, you got to correct me on my usage of the English language. You are such a funny dude. Guys like you come dime a dozen and I’m working with $100 bill.
Until Jameis is off this team he hasn’t failed. The shame is some people wrote him off before he even got to the team. People like you already made up your minds about him.
August 6th, 2018 at 8:29 pm
BrianBucs how little you know he’s already beat the Saints and Eagles. Put down you keyboard son.
August 6th, 2018 at 9:02 pm
Yep, about a hundred bucks is about right. Your total opinion net worth. We agree.
August 6th, 2018 at 9:23 pm
In any case……..fan base divided. Thank Jameis.
August 6th, 2018 at 10:32 pm
David
Indulging in some adult beverages tonight are we?
Madden does not count. Put down your controller son
August 6th, 2018 at 10:33 pm
Put any of those QBs you mentioned on the Bucs and they all suck. Goff? Child please he’d win 1 game (against the brown) if not for gurley and Donald.
Brees? See saints circa 2016 or any year wo a pro-bowl running back.
Ryan? Lol, garbage! The biggest choke artist in the league. Again see his defense.
Cam? Cam nasty they may be neck and neck.
You can go down the whole list, put any of them behind Caleb, Sweezy and a one legged Hawley and let’s see any of them finish the season.
August 6th, 2018 at 10:51 pm
From ESPN’s Best under 25.
In his career, Winston has produced a first down on 38.5 percent of his passes, which is second to only Peyton Manning (39.6 percent) since 2001, according to ESPN Stats & Info. He’s difficult to analyze, with underrated stats balanced by shoddy decision-making and off-field concerns, but Winston is capable of being a franchise quarterback if he ever figures things out.
Jameis Winston isn’t going anywhere. Decision making will improve with maturity.
#Get After It!
August 7th, 2018 at 6:21 am
But “he’s maturing at hiw own pace”
DB55, Winston > Brees? LOL!!! Brees is arguably GOAT.