May 25th, 2018

Busting myths.

There is a sect of Bucs fans that for reasons not entirely clear stomps their feet on the floor so hard they spill their Bud Lights into the crevices of their La-Z-Boys while hollering how inaccurate Jameis Winston is.

It happens whenever America’s Quarterback fails to connect on a pass.

The PFF tribe disagrees.

The well-trained orangutans charted every pass thrown in the NFL last season and concluded there is but one quarterback in the NFL more accurate than Jameis at throwing into tight windows.

That quarterback’s name is Tom Brady.

Now Joe doesn’t have full access to how the tribe breaks down what they call tight windows. Joe can find a whole lot better ways to drop $40.

It is interesting. While your common, beer-swilling, passionate fan believes Jameis is inaccurate, the spreadsheeters do not.

39 Responses to “Accurate”

  1. Grt1 Says:

    Enough said. Jameis will go down as the most “ love to hate him “ QB in history.

  2. Bayers Says:

    Let’s see our wide receivers get little to no yards after catch. Game after game play play after play jameis is constantly throwing into tight windows.

  3. Buc believer Says:

    At the end of his career with a few Super Bowls under his belt he will kick back and laugh (secretly because he is much to classy) at all his distractors!

  4. William Walls Says:

    Wow, PFF has some great graphics!

  5. tval Says:

    After this year there will be no question who the Bucs qb is for the next decade, in ANYONES mind.

  6. Bob in Valrico Says:

    Tight window throws have more potential to be tipped and or intercepted. There is also the potential for a defenseless receiver to be hurt because he is trying to catch the ball and can’t see whats coming at him.
    I believe they should be limited, since there should be better options with
    higher chance of completion and YAC yards as Bayers points out.

  7. LouisFriend Says:

    Part of throwing into tight windows has a lot to do with Evans and Brate. Neither get much separation but both do a great job of reeling in passes with defenders on them. The other part, IMO, is that Jameis doesn’t always do a good job of leading receivers away from defenders which creates a tight window as they have to adjust back towards the defender to make the catch.

    So it’s not about loving or hating Jameis. Just watch the games and see why that stat exists before throwing stupid melodramatic statements out there.

  8. Netwalker Says:

    So it’s great for Brady, but a weakness for Winston. Gotta love them fans.

  9. Bird Says:

    Gotta love the Joe’s

    So there is actually 3 categories

    Throwing to open receivers/step- closing receivers/tight window receivers.

    Open receivers is obviously have beat your man by a few yards etc etc

    Where does he rank with the other two categories …just curious. Cause some qbs throw into tight windows when there is a check down or wide open guy on other side of field. And again what happens more often then not when throwing into right windows when it isn’t necessary ?INTs.

    Again I feel this is Jameis best year and takes next step.

    Just funny how Joe’s hate stats but will use them when it benefits their man crush messiah

  10. Bobby M. Says:

    LouisFriend gets it. Winston also has a slightly slower delivery from his baseball wind up style of throwing…..and its possible he locks in on receivers despite the coverage being there. For example….Tom Brady and Carson Wentz might be releasing the ball before the receiver has even turned while Winston might be releasing the ball with coverage locked in……Both can create tight windows.

    The Bucs will win when Winston throws less. He can be a really great game manager and you can win with that but he’s not going to win shoot outs for you.

  11. AlteredEgo Says:

    Stats……many of his completions are inaccurate passes that if delivered on time and to the spot would result in greater YAC

  12. Bucsfanman Says:

    @AlteredEgo- Well stated! For the record, stats can be used to support just about any argument. I’m not saying he’s inaccurate, however, when I see a ball sail over DJax or Evans and they’re wide open, my eyes tell me it was NOT an accurate pass.
    Jameis is our guy, but lets be real. He still has work to do. Hopefully, he’ll get there THIS season.

  13. Kobe Faker Says:

    Brate was cut from Brees and the Saints because he couldnt get open

    Breese is statistically the best and most accurate QB in the history of the NFL…The most accurate QB in the history of the NFL couldnt complete passes to funny looking Brate because he couldnt separate from defenders

    How come our supposed inaccurate QB can complete to Brate and make him a ton of money?

    “When Kobe speaks the sheep should listen”

    Kobe Faker

  14. webster Says:

    Some of you are idiots. If you think jameis tight windows are due to a “slow windup” then you dont know football. If you think jameis doesnt throw a ball before his receivers turn their heads then again you are an idiot. That is all

  15. tickrdr Says:

    @Kobe Faker:

    From Wikipedia: Cameron Brate

    Brate was signed by the Buccaneers as an undrafted free agent in 2014. He was released by the team on August 20, 2014 and was signed to the practice squad the next day. On November 25, 2014, Brate was promoted to the active roster.[1] On September 15, 2015, he was released by the Buccaneers.

    On September 16, 2015, one day after his release from the Buccaneers, the New Orleans Saints signed Brate to their practice squad.[2]

    Brate returned to the team on September 22, 2015, after being on the Saints’ practice squad for a week.
    That Brees guy must be “turrrrible” LMAO


  16. Ptwalk Says:

    @Bobby M, you don’t know what you’re talking about and that’s evident by you using words like possible and might to discredit Winston.

  17. Eric Says:

    As Joe said the orangutans at PFFT. I dont care what the monkeys say, I watch the piss poor accuracy every Sunday. Nice try but Jedi mind tricks don’t work on me. Winston sucks and we will finally have no more excuses for him. Cant wait!

  18. DislocatedBucsFan Says:

    Without knowing the variable considered in the analysis this a meaningless statistical measurement. What I don’t understand is why some blindly defend him while ignoring the many negatives jw Winston provides. I’m not even talking about off the field issues.
    Here’s a tight window throw.

  19. 813bucboi Says:

    for the last time….Winston aint the problem!!!!!…..


  20. Buccernutter Says:

    I have been viewing this site for a few years now and I just wanted to say I haven’t seen anything more ignorant and ridiculous than louisfriend’s comment. Are you joking?

    This never ends. No matter what positivity is posted, our fans got retort with something that negates all credit. It has to do with Evans and Brate?! 😂

    You’re wrong dude and you should probably take a break for posting such negative BS.

  21. ChipBuc Says:

    Eric do us all a favor and admit your a Gator Fan. The truth will set you free. Just saying.

  22. Matt in Bradenton Says:

    I don’t care what the haters say, I’m riding with Winston. That’s my QB. Sure, some of his decisions make me crazy, but he is the best QB we’ve ever seen around here. I believe he will lead us to the promised land.

    *** IF he groped that UBER driver, I want him gone. I don’t believe he did, but IF he did, good riddance.

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  24. rrsrq Says:

    This is the reason, it doesn’t matter about the schedule, it doesn’t matter about what Vegas says or any of the experts are saying, Jameis (playing smart), Dirk (play calling) and Mike Smith (putting players in the best position to succeed) are the x-factors. The talent is there (here)

  25. Duke Says:


    The fact that JW has a slower delivery is legit. PFF also has a stat showing bucs receiver is one of the league’s top ten in separation between defenders and receivers. Well if both sides are true, then it’s easy to find out the culprit. Time to target. I don’t believe it’s all Winston. But it’s safe to say that it’s part of the disparity between the two sides of the stats.

    If you think JW has a quick release , then you’re in a position that has been demonstrated time and time again to be an area that needs work. JW has been
    working on shortening his delivery since the days leading up to the draft. Obviously, that is an acknowledgement of an issue. Hard to say it’s not.

    If you think that the coaches have been successful in reforming his mechanics,
    I say that is a legit opinion. But that’s in conflict with the undisputed eye in sky.
    Tape don’t lie. JW has a good distance to before anyone can argue that JW is mechanically sound. The exciting part is, the kid is already showing us glimpses of greatness. Imagine how He will play as he becomes more consistent. Sky limit thing….If He just eliminates the lows……JW is going to be great.

  26. Duke Says:


    I agree with one exception. If He grouped the I bet driver….I weight it against everything positive He has already done and I discount the accusations because if He did and she said no…..well….The campaign by the feminist activists for years has been no means no. JW got the no and it meant something to him. He stopped. If He didn’t get the memo that changed the time of consent….He’s not alone. The fact is the neo Nazi anti procreation crowd is about as stable as a crackhead w multiple personalities disorder. It’s not easy to follow how these women no one would ever hit on keep moving the goal posts

    JW is by far more a positive influence on the area than the wails of some 30 year old virgins who would love to put another knock in their mullets by destroying his career. JW vs Neanderthal butt ugly witch burning activists……sorry but I don’t believe that latter has any positive impact on the team, field, community or nation. Well…If solylent green is legalized then there’s a positive…But I don’t believe that it’s going to be legal to recycle those walking braying meat sacks just yet…

  27. Reality_43 Says:

    He simply throws in tight windows more often than others honestly and has gotten better at it.

    It’s because he doesn’t make it through his progressions (At least in the past).

    He has had to survive thinking he must excel in tight spaces, when a guy is running wide open on the other side, or up the middle, or out of the backfield most often.

    Practice does make perfect.

  28. Jgiles87 Says:

    @ reality _43 you’re confused aren’t you.

  29. Greg Says:

    I can’t believe how delusional Joe is. It’s not a myth. You don’t need statistics. Look at the damn game. Wide receivers open by 10 yards and get the ball thrown way over their heads. Wide receivers wide open and the ball is thrown behind them. DeSean Jackson has had success everywhere he’s gone except here for one reason. Winston sucks. The only thing Winston can connect with his defenseless Uber drivers

  30. Nole&aBuc Says:


  31. Joe Says:

    If you think jameis doesnt throw a ball before his receivers turn their heads then again you are an idiot. That is all

    No question Jameis is a spot-thrower. Go to a training camp practice you see it all the time. Jameis throws to a spot before the receiver even breaks for the ball.

  32. Chris Says:

    What about him missing the easy throws?
    How many attempts is he throwing tight window?
    How many times does he throw INTs or fumble?

  33. gilhealy Says:

    Well, according to you dolts, Brady must have more issues than Jameis. Hell, he’s at 37% into tight windows. Guy sucks. As well as Ben, Drew, and Wentz. All those bums have to make tight throws as well. They all suck.

  34. SOEbuc Says:

    He’s really good at throwing the ball into tight spaces. Always has been. Just not the best at leading the receiver.

  35. NFLNut Says:


    And Jameis was MORE ACCURATE THAN EVERY QB not named Brady in a season in which he played half the games with an injured THROWING shoulder!!!!


  36. NFLNut Says:

    Where’s my comment?

  37. NFLNut Says:


  38. Eric Says:

    In all my years of watching football, I have never seen a player with such a mediocre game get so many loyal fan boys. Kim Jun Un would be a little jealous of all the praise he gets from blind Indians. The best quarterback the Bucs ever had was Doug Williams then Brad Johnson then Josh Freeman after that maybe Winston or Garcia. Yup I will take the guys who actually won something or at least made it to a playoff game before I even think of putting a yardage master-turnover king ahead. No player took more of a beating than Brad yet he still produced when we needed him to. Wasnt just our defense once Gruden arrived.

  39. Owlykat Says:

    Winston has not had a great OL since he started here. Bad OLs have been the overwhelming tradition here with the exception of when Dungy rebuilt it including an All Pro and another experienced OLman who were both signed Free Agents. That is why in our history we have had three QBs leave us and win Super Bowls with other NFL teams with excellent OLs. Right now we happen to have an OL Coach who was rejected from the lowly Cleveland Browns, who doesn’t put our OLmen in their optimum positions and we have a first time GM who til now has not drafted for needs. We will have a better OL this year than in the past but don’t expect any of them to be All Pros. Of the top QBs they all have better OLs than we do. Protect Jameis and he will be an All Pro every year. Cut him and watch him sign with a team with a top OL and win multiple Super Bowls for them!