Crazy Season In Full Swing

April 11th, 2018

As Joe wrote earlier this week, the lunatic fringe has come out to play. And for Bucs fans, the target is America’s Quarterback, Pro Bowler Jameis Winston.

Joe is now overcome with draft fatigue. It happens every year early in April. Draft, draft, draft, draft, draft… enough already! Pick the friggin’ players!

It gets to the point that Joe is almost looking forward to talking to Bucs players about pumping weights, which will happen next week when the Bucs report for offseason conditioning April 16.

Yeah, Joe gets that bogged down with the draft. And it seems so does just about everyone else. We now have NFL writers arguing about a quarterback prospect flying first class. We now have stat nerds arguing with ex-scouts arguing with ex-NFL front office talking heads.

It is out of hand.

So much so that Bucs fans have — well, some of them have — lost their damned minds specifically the anti-Jameis crowd. As Joe suspected after last season, this subspecies has their knives sharpened and they are ready to pounce after the first incompletion Jameis throws this season.

They are already getting warmed up. As Joe noted, one Bucs fan commenting on this here site wants Bucs AC/DC-loving general manager Jason Licht to trade away Jameis for whatever the team can get for him and draft quarterback project Lamar Jackson at No. 7.

No, Joe doesn’t know how many shots this guy downed before typing the above.

But it gets worse. Yesterday, a Bucs fan from Louisiana by the handle of “Moe” called the best football show in the land, “Movin’ the Chains,” co-hosted by Pat Kirwan and Jim Miller heard exclusively on SiriusXM NFL Radio.

Moe is a semi-regular caller and he is an avowed hater of Jameis. He would rather have Josh Johnson as quarterback rather than Jameis. So unnerved is Moe, he wants the Bucs to draft a quarterback at No. 7 as well only to “scare” Jameis into playing better. Moe also added Jameis is “crazy” and Moe is of the mind Jameis shouldn’t be in the NFL.

Kirwan, a former Bucs scout who also once served as the pro player personnel director of the Jets, has grown highly skeptical of Jameis’ future as an NFL quarterback, but even he couldn’t believe his ears.

“It sounds like you want to intimidate but the reality is, you can’t afford to use your first round pick” on such a high school stunt, Kirwan said. “Now if you say you are getting rid of Jameis, we are going to trade him, then OK. But you are not going to do that.

“You can’t use your No. 7 pick in the NFL draft to” scare your quarterback.

Moe would have none of it and argued that Licht needs to draft a quarterback this month in the first round because, he said, the Bucs likely won’t have a top-10 pick next year to draft a top-shelf quarterback. Kirwan cut him off.

“Here is the double-edged sword to that one Moe,” Kirwan explained. “If you are drafting down low [in 2019], that’s probably because Winston played good.”

All of this crazy talk is the result of the NFL dragging out the draft way, way, way too long after the combine. There is no excuse for this.

Yeah, Joe gets the marketing angle of the NFL and it is vitally important for the health of the league. There is still no reason the draft couldn’t be held three weeks earlier, say the first week of April.

This dead time and the fatigue that comes with it fuels mindless, baseless if not idiotic crazy talk that torments Joe and frankly serves no purpose other than to just aggravate folks.

The lone benefit of this unnecessary delay of the draft is it means less non-basketball association talk on national sports networks.

99 Responses to “Crazy Season In Full Swing”

  1. The Buc Realist Says:

    Which is worst, Moe asking a Buc’s question, or every caller from Tampa asking about some team up in the north east??????????

    Go Bucs!!!!!!!!!

  2. Jolly Bucs Fan Says:

    Moe sounds like Grade A stupid. Donate his brain to science plz

  3. Hodad Says:

    I would not take any of the Q.B.’s in this draft over Jameis, come on man!

  4. Lamarcus Says:

    I only put my heart and time on the draft if we are picking anywhere 28-32. Otherwise it’s not fun having a top 10 pick. It’s actually embarrassing to have pick 7. Next year get that late round pick please then I’ll invest more into draft.

  5. JimmyJack Says:

    Well Moe is just gonna have to be disappointed. Sorry Mow the Bucs aren’t taking a QB……Of course anything’s possible, except for the Bucs using a first rounder on a QB.

  6. Walter Seidel Says:

    Joe, even you have routinely criticized Winston’s play, and the need for improvement. Improvements in areas in which he has DIGRESSED from year one. Quite routinely. And furthermore, you’ve acknowledged many times the possibility (I’d suggest probability), that he will miss six games not due to injury. And I believe he’s in a contract year to boot. And (as I’ve learned from your posts here), it’s hard to find a QB that stays a starter for 5 years with zero playoff appearances, and he’s almost there already. Therefore, to suggest that anyone looking beyond Jameis as QB is dumb is well….dumb.

  7. The Buc Realist Says:

    Could be worse, some dumb so-called fan, could be calling up asking that it would be a waste to draft secondary because he wrongly thought that this coaching staff could not develop a player!!!!!!!!!!!! That guy would be a total ret@*(@!!!!!!!!!!!

    GO Bucs!!!!!!!!!!!!

  8. YO BUC Says:


  9. Sumo Says:

    We really do not need another quarterback people. This one just needs to clean up mistakes. At the end of last year he realized he can’t keep turning the ball over. He will work to clean it up but the question is “can he”.

  10. Lamarcus Says:

    I don’t know the Florida culture when it comes to college football but i heard the only ones that hate JW are those Gator turd fans that probably thot Tim tebow was a fit here

  11. Bucsfanman Says:

    What do we expect?! We label players as “loving to lose,” “career loser” etc…
    Are we to expect fans to be indifferent to Jameis? Why? Isn’t he on the same team of “losers”. What’s so different about Jameis?!
    Vinny Testaverde was in the NFL for 21 years, TWENTY-ONE and drafted number 1 overall by the Bucs! He is in the top 10 all-time in 3 categories: 6th in career passing yardage, 7th in career touchdown passes, 6th in career completions.
    Why do I mention him you ask. Because NOBODY talks about him despite all those statistics because he didn’t win games. In other words, as of right now, Jameis is not so “rare”. Until he proves it, he’s fair game. That’s the truth whether you like it or not.
    I don’t agree with Moe but we can’t act like Jameis is Tom Brady or something. You are what your record says you are.

  12. Waterboy Says:

    Winston will have decent future in the NFL, the only question is whether the Bucs will be part of his success or another franchise. The guy has the work ethic and will to win but just need to settle down a bit and don’t try to overdue it. From a progress standpoint he’s not quite where I’d hoped he’d be at this point in his career but at the very least he’s an average QB. You can win with an average QB but just have to have strength in other areas on the team.

  13. Cannuckbuc Says:

    Moe’s middle name is Ron think about it lol

  14. 813bucboi Says:


    die hard gator fan here……that statement aint true at all!!!!!!!…..many gator fans bought his jersey when he was drafted….I have 2!!!!!….lol….

    tebow is a football player not a QB…..but he did win 2 rings(1 as a back up to leak)….a Heisman trophy and a playoff game in the NFL in his 2nd season…..

    college football is big down here…..Imo, the only ones that hate on Winston are Clemson and Miami fans…..

    #NOEXCUSESIN2018!!!!!….GO BUCS!!!!!

  15. Ga. Buc fan 42years Says:

    CALM down Joe! Smoke a fatty if it’ll help.

  16. I’m a Tandyman Bucs Fan Says:

    Looks like my wife when I haven’t got the lawn mowed!!!

  17. JA Says:

    According to the Fox News sports host, Maka Thingsup, if Brady played for the Bucs last year the team record would have been 7-9. And vice-versa, if Jameis would have played in New England the record would have been 10-6.
    All kidding aside, it’s always more about the team than one guy, whether he is the QB or not.

  18. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    You see….there are two Joes……now the one doing this article can’t possibly be the Joe that wrote this:

    “Joe would rather see a kicker or a punter drafted at No. 7. Yeah, Joe typed that.”

    I don’t believe there is a crazier draft comment than this one……and that includes drafting a QB at 7.

    So, tell the other Joe…..he’d included with the crazies.

  19. GhostofSchiano Says:

    I see a spinoff of hardknocks here, a reality based show of know it all football types (fans) run the organization.

    General Manager – MOE

    Head Coach – Tmaxcon

    Defensive Coordinator – DB55

    Offensive Coordinator – Kobe Faker

    Oh yes, I would definitely watch it

  20. __TGH__ Says:

    Joe… trade scenario for you to opine on:

    Jameis to the Browns for the 1st and 4th overall and a 2nd round this year. We draft a QB with #1, Chubb or Barkely with #4 and still get Nelson, Ward, or whomever else with #7.

    I think Jameis is good, maybe great, but hasn’t shown that consistently yet. I do know he has 2 strikes (actually more) in the court of public opinion and is one more baseless accusation away from becoming a pariah in the league. The Uber situation is going to cost him games… proof or no proof. My over/under is 4. He’s not going to be able to stay clean, we should consider shipping him while he still has a lot of value. Think Pats… better to ship them a year too early than a year too late.


  21. Walter Seidel Says:

    Lamarcus….the scourge of Buc Fandom is exactly what you brought to the table. Collegiate biases. Now THAT is Florida football culture. Drafting Jameis in the first place split the fan base, like it or not. If we had drafted MM, there wouldn’t be such a split.

  22. BrianBucs Says:

    Winston will either be out of the NFL in 5 years due to his immature and arrogant actions both on and off of the field, or will just become a Byron Leftwich type journeyman

  23. Bucsfan951 Says:

    What happened to tmaxi? I don’t go on here much but I haven’t seen his posts for a little bit it seems like.

  24. QBKilla Says:

    I have been a “Buc” since day one seen a lot of QB’s come and go. Jameis is clearly the best we’ve ever had. In just 4 years he will break most of our team records and when he does, the haters will be eating a giant slice of humble pie. And no I haven’t forgotten that Steve Young wore Bucco Bruce on his helmet for 2 years.

  25. Tampabaybucfan Says:


    Tmax is in the cooler for a while……Joe’s equivalent of the Baker Act……

  26. Wausa Says:

    Last place total defense
    Last place passing defense
    Last place 3rd down defense
    Last place defensive sacks
    Terrible kicking game
    27th in rushing offense
    4th in passing yards

    Clearly the problem with the Bucs is at QB

  27. StPeteBucsFan Says:


    That’ll be the post of the day. It’s truly funny although I fear you might be skirting edge of truth! LOL


    “All of this crazy talk is the result of the NFL dragging out the draft way, way, way too long after the combine. There is no excuse for this.”

    No excuse for the crazy talk or no excuse for the NFL dragging out the time of the draft? Actually both eh since you suggest one leads to the other.

    I don’t really disagree but after all the crazy talk I’ve seen from some posters here I’m not sure they need a down or “Crazy” time to be crazy.

    Some here have definitely been hyperbolic about GMC to the point they’d embarrass themselves if they weren’t victims of Dunning-Kruger…a psychological study that shows many people have a higher opinion of their smarts and abilities because they are literally too dumb to know better.

    I don’t know where the irrational hate comes from…but I could expand that to other things that are going on right now in our nation.

    Why do we need to call Bucs players or Coaches absurdly negative names and ignore their achievements. Their flaws have been documented here so meticulously that I won’t bother to restate obvious areas for improvement.

    5-11 Sucks. We all get that!!! But why so many here want to throw the baby out with the bathwater just amazes me. Jameis had an injury filled disappointing season…we get that…but throw out baby Jameis now? Don’t think so.

  28. Piratic Says:

    @Walter Seidel: The word is regressed, not digressed.
    Look it up.

  29. darin Says:

    I wouldnt mind her yelling at me. Realist…please tell us which secondary player the defensive coaching staff has “developed”. I’m beyond curious. Yes, lets not waste a pick in the first 3 rounds on a cb. Every qb in this league will light up a team with no pressure who plays 15 yards off. Keep drafting Dline until it’s good enough. I hope theyre not putting all their eggs in JPP and Currys basket.

  30. bucs_365 Says:

    I could see drafting a developmental QB somewhere after round 2… if we could spare the pick (which we can’t). Would be nice to have a backup plan in case Jameis melts down or regresses or has long term issues with that shoulder… It would not surprise me at all if they picked a QB in round 5 or later if they felt it was a value pick.

  31. Defense Rules Says:

    @Joe … “Joe is now overcome with draft fatigue.” B-I-N-G-O !!! You’ve surprised me yet again Joe. Does anyone REALLY care what a (supposed) Bucs’ fan yet avowed Jameis-hater named Moe from the Bayou thinks?

    I’m actually beginning to think that these so-called ‘Jameis haters’ are a media invention. Not that Moe isn’t real mind you. And I’m betting that he votes too. Scary isn’t it.

  32. Joe Says:

    You see….there are two Joes……now the one doing this article can’t possibly be the Joe that wrote this:

    One in the same.

    Joe doesn’t know how many times he has to type that he has ***zero*** confidence this defensive coaching staff can develop a rookie corner.

    At least a kicker would have a prayer.

  33. Joe Says:

    Joe’s equivalent of the Baker Act……


    Let’s just say Joe has watched too much of “Hogan’s Heros” and “The Great Escape” too many times.

  34. Joe Says:

    Jameis to the Browns for the 1st and 4th overall and a 2nd round this year. We draft a QB with #1, Chubb or Barkely with #4 and still get Nelson, Ward, or whomever else with #7.

    Jameis isn’t getting traded. So this is like asking about Joe sleeping with Rachel Watson.

  35. Walter Seidel Says:

    Piratic Says:
    April 11th, 2018 at 2:45 pm
    @Walter Seidel: The word is regressed, not digressed.
    Look it up.

    You are correct…mea culpa. Thanks.

  36. Joe Says:

    every caller from Tampa asking about some team up in the north east??????????

    Yeah, seems like a better than 50-50 shot when they take a caller from Florida, it’s not about a Florida team.

    Isn’t there some guy that often calls Kirwan from Tampa and he is always asking about the Redskins?

  37. Joe Says:

    Looks like my wife when I haven’t got the lawn mowed!!!


  38. Bucsfanman Says:

    GhostofSchiano- Your fan coaching scenario would be better suited with tmax running the defense and his most beloved player of all time!

  39. AlteredEgo Says:

    Jameis was shown the door early at FSU…could happen in Tampa too…

  40. Kalind Says:

    This is to the people who think we need to mov on from Jameis…HE IS 25 YEARS OKD. Think about when he turns 29…you really wanna see him playing for the Jets? Or the Saints? When he finally puts it together. Haven’t we done that enough? (Testaverde, Young, Williams..)

    Not to mention the fact that Jameis is the greatest statistical web under 25 ever. But no…he’s a bum right? Let’s let someone else have him for the dominant years.

  41. BucsQcCity Says:

    Is it worst to have « draft a qb » nonsense or the other one that says « don’t draft a cb because the bucs can’t develop one »?

  42. BucswinBucswin Says:

    I just watched the replay of the Bucs and Panthers last years game on the NFL Network. If I was doubting Jameis, I wasn’t after that game. He was the best player for both teams. If not for bad play calling in the red zone, an easy 41 yard FG missed, a boneheaded play from fat arse Baker, multiple stupid penalties, the Bucs win this game easy. No where or no how was this game in anyway Winston’s fault. In fact he outplayed everyone and had an outstanding game . And if everyone on the team cared about winning and hated losing like Jameis as illustrated at the end of the game , this team would win more games.

  43. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    Some of the craziest posts are the ones that trash GMC upside down and backwards as to what a total loser he is….then they suggest we trade him for a boatload of picks…… that is insane!!!

  44. DBS Says:

    We don’t care about his age. This is year 4 . Age card is played out.

  45. Joe Says:


    Jameis played just fine in the final five games (save a fumble here or there).

  46. K2 Says:

    Totally reasonable-Just Like: If the coaches were good they would have turned Vernon Hargreaves into an all pro CB in a year that he was injured. Things like pass rush, size, and speed (don’t matter)…it is just coaching. Forget drafting a CB it won’t help the Bucs because they having no body to coach them. Totally Reasonable! Wow…do we need the draft or what!! LOL OK… I do love Joe Bucs Fan

  47. Joe Says:

    Some of the craziest posts are the ones that trash GMC upside down and backwards as to what a total loser he is….then they suggest we trade him for a boatload of picks…… that is insane!!!


  48. StPeteBucsFan Says:


    “Jameis was shown the door early at FSU…could happen in Tampa too…”

    What makes you say something so far fetched? Do you have even a scintilla of proof you could link.

    That’s absurd and you normally post much better so I’m sure you can do better.

    You’re probably too young to remember Pops and Mavis Staples and the Staples singers. One of their greatest hits….”Respect Yourself”

    He won a National Championship. There was NOTHING left to prove and his draft stock was obviously at it’s peak…he went #1 overall. Can you provide one single reason why Jameis would have wished to remain at FSU….with all respect to FSU. I’m not a Nole but I do not believe they are angry with #3 for leaving early and I feel just as certain they did not want to run him off. LOL

  49. AlteredEgo Says:

    StPete…in the spirit of this page title…

  50. Craig Says:

    So, we have a QB who makes over 4000 yards in year one and two as a 21 and 22 year old? He makes nearly 4000 yards in an injury plagued 3rd year?
    Why would we want to go anywhere near a QB in the draft to scare him?
    That is seriously FUBAR!
    We now may have an offensive line who are getting close to protecting him and a defence who might get it back when he has the odd blip!
    Cmon people JW is our guy!

  51. Lamarcus Says:

    Tampa Bay

    Now ur talking. GMC should be the only “superstar” worth trading. Problem is we won’t get a boatload of picks but I’ll be happy with a supplemental pick in 7th round for him.

  52. GhostofSchiano Says:

    Joe Says:

    April 11th, 2018 at 3:03 pm

    You see….there are two Joes……now the one doing this article can’t possibly be the Joe that wrote this:

    One in the same.

    Joe doesn’t know how many times he has to type that he has ***zero*** confidence this defensive coaching staff can develop a rookie corner.

    At least a kicker would have a prayer.


  53. Buc4life Says:

    The Jameis hate really baffles me…put him against any qb you want at his age and his career looks pretty damn good…#believeinjameis

  54. webster Says:

    @ wausa

    You pretty much summed it up but unfortunately tampa has some of the dumbest fans in the league.

  55. webster Says:

    @ kalind

    Jameis is 24. Wont turn 25 until next year. Tampa has the dumbest fans

  56. SB Says:

    I’m not sure why but the chick in the Headline Photo just resonates “Great Lay” to me.

  57. SB Says:

    Why would that comment be in moderation Joe?

  58. SB Says:

    Joe Says:
    April 11th, 2018 at 4:26 pm
    Some of the craziest posts are the ones that trash GMC upside down and backwards as to what a total loser he is….then they suggest we trade him for a boatload of picks…… that is insane!!!
    Couldn’t agree more Joe. Stupid is as Stupid does.

  59. Buc68 Says:

    It’s alarming how ignorant our fan base is. How many Hall of Fame Qbs must we run off!

  60. BelleGladeBuc Says:

    BelleGladeBuc Says:
    April 11th, 2018 at 3:22 pm
    Peyton Manning’s First 4 Season’s Stats with stud Tarik Glen at LT and HOFmers Marshal Faulk/Edge James and Marvin Harrison:
    1998: 16 G-3,739 yards-26 TD-28 INT-3 Fmb-71.2 Rate-W/L 3-13-56.7% Cmp
    1999: 16 G-4,135 yards-25 TD-15 INT-4 Fmb-90.7 Rate-W/L 13-3-62.1% Cmp
    2000: 16 G-4,413 yards-33 TD-15 INT-4 Fmb-94.7 Rate-W/L 10-6-62.5% Cmp
    2001: 16 G-4,131 yards-26 TD-23 INT-4 Fmb-84.1 Rate-W/L 6-10-62.7% Cmp

    2015: 16 G-4,042 yds-22 TD-15 INT-2 FmbTO-84.2 Rate-W/L 6-10-58.3%Cmp
    2016: 16 G-4,090 yds-28 TD-18 INT-7 FmbTO-86.1 Rate-W/L 9-7-60.8% Cmp
    2017: 13 G-3,504 yds-19 TD-11 INT-8 FmbTO-92.2Rate-W/L 3-10-63.8% Cmp
    2018: ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
    Jameis Winston’s first 3 seasons stats with Bust LT Donovan Smith, Druggie Dougie at RB and potential future HOFmer Mike Evans.

    Jameis was just as accurate as Peyton over the same time frame. Myth busted. 61 Total Turnovers for Jameis and 69 Total Turnovers for Peyton over the same time. Myth busted. Jameis was equally rated to Peyton over the same time period. Myth busted. Peyton had more TD but a worse ratio of TD:IMT than Jameis over the same time period. Myth busted. Peyton’s record was much better, but he had 2 HOF RB’s, 1 stud LT, and 1 HOF WR. Jameis has had an atrocious defense, Druggie Dougie at RB, Bust/Swinging Gate Donovan Smith at LT, and possible future HOFmer in Mike Evans and Desean Jackson for 1 year.

    Two QB’s. Both #1’s. Very similar stats over the same time frame. One is white. One is African American. The African American gets criticized much harsher than the white quarterback ever did despite producing similar numbers. Makes you think.

  61. Eric Says:

    Browns 1st 4th and 2nd round pick for Winston = Chubb, Barkley, and Jaire Alexander . And with out 7th pick one of the 5 quarterbacks (my preference Lamar Jackson). Plus all of the rest of our picks would fix every single hole and with studs at the most important position. I’ll take that trade all day. Yeah Winston has upside but he definitely has more downsides to me.
    #1 he cant throw a deep ball to anyone except one time to Godwin.
    #2 too many interceptions (2nd behind Desone Kiser) *he’s a rookie
    #3 way too many fumbles ( lead the league )
    #4 slow to start games very lopsided
    #5 too many off the field incidents guilty or not, its happened twice with two women in under 5 years and likely getting suspended
    #6 sucks in the redzone
    #7 he screwed us for our draft position due to not following the coach
    #8 he acts like a fool to the point where other players make fun of him publicly. (Never seen that in 41 years)
    I think thats enough to be cut much less traded for such a haul.
    Make the trade and cut this overhyped underwhelming problem child!!

  62. BelleGladeBuc Says:

    Pat Kirwan was the director of player personnel for the New York Jets. The Director of Player Personal is #2, the GM is #1. The New York Jets record under Pat Kirwan’s talent evaluation expertise was atrocious. He was a failure at talent evaluation. 49 Wins – 95 Losses with only one winning season in Kirwan’s 9 seasons with the Jets atrocious. I don’t put a lot of merit into Kirwan’s talent evaluations as Kirwan’s with Jameis because Kirwan has proven that he can’t evaluate talent, as the losing New York Jets demonstrated under his talent evaluation. Silly is listening to a proven failure when it comes to evaluating talent. Hey Kirwan and everyone else, ever heard of the franchise tag? It’s an option that the Bucs have with any player, including Jameis. Are the Steelers tied down to Bell for a massive contract over numerous years? No, they aren’t, you don’t say. Shocking.

  63. Piratic Says:

    @Walter Seidel: Cheers!! 🍻

  64. BelleGladeBuc Says:

    Hey Eric, you might want to check your stats. Jameis had 11 INT last year. Nowhere close to leading the league as you incorrectly stated that Jameis was 2nd behind Kizer’s 22 INT. #2 was Cam Newton with 16. #3 was Mariota with 15. #4 was Big Ben with 14. Prescott, Carr, Matt Ryan, Russell Wilson all threw more INT’s than Jameis last year. Jameis was #17 with 11 INT last year. Can’t take anything you say seriously when you use fabricated, factually incorrect and thus invalid statistics to support your claims against Jameis.

    Jameis has thrown more TD’s than any other QB in the history of the NFL before the age of 24, breaking Dan Marino’s record set over 30 us years ago.

    Dan Marino played for a Super Bowl Caliber team from the time he was a rookie. Those Dolphins had an amazing defense and offense for Marino when he set that record. The Bucs have been nowhere near a Super Bowl contending team in any of Jameis seasons.

  65. JimmyJack Says:

    BelleGlade…….That’s kind of a reach to blame Kirwan for W-L record or evaluating. That just seems like your doing a lot of guesswork for what his job truly entailed.

    Can you honestly look at even just one player that flopped for the Jets and say that it was Kirwans fault? For all we know the guy negotiated contracts for most of his job.

  66. Phillip Says:

    Bragging about Winston not leading the league in INT’s when he didn’t even play in all games but still up there with others who did.. Awesome job

    His stats are amazing for under 24.. Wait the NFL isn’t the same as it was 30 years ago? Wait it’s not even the same as it was 10 years ago? That’s crazy! Also Jameis is/was extremely young when drafted compared to other QB’s as well.. Heck of a biased stat.. smh

    Here’s to hoping he puts it all together this year and cuts down on the childish antics

  67. Eric Says:

    Excuse me bellglade you are correct, what I meant to say is he has led the league in interceptions since he was drafted so the last 3 years. Even worse!

  68. BelleGladeBuc Says:

    @ Jimmy Jack
    Kirwan was Director of Player Personel for the New York Jets. GM is the only position higher than that in the NFL team’s front office. No guess work involved. Those are the facts. The New York Jets were awful under Kirwan’s tenure as director of player personnel.

    “John Spytek, a national scout for the Broncos, agreed to terms to become the Bucs director of player personnel. Spytek, 35, replaces Jon Robinson as the right-hand man for Bucs general manager Jason Licht.” Tampa Bay Times

    Facts are a stubborn thing. I like to stick to them.

  69. Lamarcus Says:

    U guys stop it. Jw is a top 10 QB In the league TODAY. Matter of fact better than 28 other starters in the league.

    U guys simple look at number and draw a player. That’s dumb, stupid and lazy or just keep off Madden and ESPN

  70. BelleGladeBuc Says:

    @ Phillip

    You do realize Marino was drafted on a Super Bowl team his rookie year, right?

    Marino also would have made this league look ridiculous if he played today with there no defense rules. 60 TD seasons would have been easy for Marino with today’s NFL rules.

    Your sarcasm misses the mark and makes you appear that you do not know what you’re talking about, as your sarcasm actually supports the pro Jameis camp.

    68 TD’s before the age of 24 when you play against defenses that were amazing defenses back in the 80’s and would be illegal in today’s NFL is a tribute to how great Marino was, and how NO modern NFL QB other than Winston has ever broken that record is a tribute to Winston.

  71. JimmyJack Says:

    BelleGlade sorry but that is not a fact. The GM is not the highest position on every team. The Bucs are a good example when they had two coach’s Lovie and Gruden that were given more power then their respective GMs.

    The point is that every NFL office has its own way of doing business. It’s too much guesswork to hold Kirwan responsible for that W-L record. But since you disagree please let me know which poor decisions Kirwan directly made?

  72. Eric Says:

    For the people who keep mentioning his 4000 yards passing seasons compared to the all time greats. . Do yourself a favor and research how many Qb’s threw for 4000 since the early 2000’s. You will notice in 2002 there were 2 Qbs to pass for 4000. Keep looking at the following years and you will notice a trend where almost every year the amount who throw 4k increase every year where 1 or 2 would be the norm back in 02 but now its 5 times as many. The years Wi ston did it there where 11 and 12 more QBs who also threw 4k and btw he had the least amount above 4k and 2nd lest the other. My point is you cant compare the different eras because defense has been watered down to bring more points more offense and to a lesser degree player safety. So yeah he threw for 4k but so did 11 and 12 other guys who also surpassed Winston’s best statistical years.
    2015 Bortles pass yards 4428
    2015 Winston pass yards 4042
    2016 Bortles pass yards 3905
    2016 Winston pass yards 4090
    2017 Bortles pass yards 3687
    2017 Winston pass yards 3504

    Im no mathematician but seems like statistically Bortles has more passing yards than the great Winston. I guess that means Bortles is better. To think some of you want to compare Winston to Peyton …freaking tards! 4000 is the new 3000

  73. SB Says:

    *Grabs popcorn*

  74. BelleGladeBuc Says:


    Jameis had 3 years of college. 2 playing. 1 Redshirt Year.

    You’re aware that numerous players enter the NFL Draft every year during their junior year of college as Winston did?

    Winston was 21 when he was drafted.

    You’re aware that numerous 21 year olds are drafted by NFL teams every year like Winston was. 21 you can drink, buy a handgun, etc. Those are facts. No bias.

  75. BelleGladeBuc Says:


    Peyton was throwing to HOF Marvin Harrison, had a stud LT in Tarik blocking for him, and not one, but 2 HOF Running Backs in his backfield to hand the ball too.

    Please tell me that you aren’t using a phrase that as a Special Olympic volunteer I and numerous others find as offensive as the N word to describe me, when you are seeming to suggest that Winston handing the ball off to Martin is the same as Peyton handing the ball off to Marshall Faulk/Edge James?

    Also, you conveniently left out the fact that Jameis did not play in three games last season, and played with a hurt throwing shoulder in 3 games last year. Despite all of that he matched Bortles last year.

    Also, Bortles offensive line are monsters, he gets to hand the ball off to Fournette, and he has John Wick as his defense.

    Please tell me you’re not comparing Fournette to Martin?

  76. BelleGladeBuc Says:


    How about Kirwan’s being a leading part of choosing Blair Thomas with the #2 pick for the Jets?

    Kirwan thought Thomas was a better RB than Rodney Hampton or Emmit Smith.

    Kirwan also thought Thomas was a better player than Junior Seau or Cortez Kennedy.

  77. JimmyJack Says:

    Belle……I’ll take you’re word on that if that’s what happened. The only thing I remember about Jets football from back then was how bad of a coach Rich Kotite will go down as.

    It just sounds like your playing devils advocate with how the Jets made their decisions.

    BTW I agree with you about the T word being offensive. It’s a disgusting habit that runs rampant on this site. I usually don’t say anything…… They can learn that one the hard way IMO.

  78. BelleGladeBuc Says:


    You are wrong again about Jameis leading the league in INT’s from 2015.

    A quick check of stats proves you wrong about this fact.

    Jameis 2015-2017: 44 INT
    Rivers 2015-2017: 44 INT

  79. Phillip Says:

    You are aware he drafted a year younger than most QB’s right?

    He literally just turned 24 in January and he has been in the league 3 seasons already(how is my sarcasm coming along this time?)

    I’m also not sure if you are aware that we had no ground game 2 of the 3 seasons and absolutely sucked as a team.. Hi garbage time nice to meet you!

    Again, I hope he puts it all together this season and earns that second contract

  80. Phillip Says:

    he was drafted*

  81. Defense Rules Says:

    As the title of your article says Joe … “Crazy Season In Full Swing.” 80 comments to this point on an article about virtually nothing is proof positive I guess.

    For everyone who’s posted today pro or con Jameis, GET OVER IT (my version of screaming BTW). Jameis is OUR quarterback … no he’s not perfect, but he is very good already & is improving steadily. Be thankful we’ve got him & move on to frying bigger fish.

  82. Joe Says:

    The Bad Eric:

    Browns 1st 4th and 2nd round pick for Winston

    If Winston is as horrible as you suggest, now how the hell are you going to get any team to cough up these draft picks short of throwing in Mike Evans and O.J. Howard?

    And if you did find a team to cough up those kind of picks, maybe, just maybe, that should tell you the Bucs should keep Jameis.

    Hell, you are asking what the Steelers were asking for Antonio Brown last winter.

  83. Eric Says:

    Bellglade just stop making excuses already. Stud left tackle…really. Mike Evans is top 3 in the league, Djax is or was for the last 10 years the best deep threat in the league(until Janeis started throwing to him) and while Martin is no HOF he did have two Hof type seasons that rank up there and dude almost won the rushing title while having a rookie Qb under center. Brate led the league in Td’s last year while splitting time with Howard who is a freak of nature. Lets not forget the rookie sensation Godwin and good ol Rudy. More important than being aware of how close the talent level at the skill positions was is the fact that Peyton made everyone better because of the timing and ACCURACY! The most important thing is he won games. For over a decade they usually made the playoffs and were a top 3 or better scoring offense. To hell with passing yards in garbage time, Ill take the points all day everyday. Brace yourself powder puff but if you think Winston could hold Manning’s jock you my friend are a moron. Btw if two people have a tie for the most or least at anything you both own the title. Look at it this way if thats tok hard to comprehend, did anyone thow more? Smh smh

  84. Lamarcus Says:


    Peyton didn’t win coming in. You also forgot to note Fitzgarbage was throwing to MEshean Jackson also. I bet Colt fans hated his turnovers also tho. Don’t be that be guy

  85. Eric Says:

    @joe The world is full of people who make mistakes and maybe they think our coaches are to blame. ie. Gaines Adams to the Bears for a 2nd round pick. Just look at Bradford and the teams that payed so much to get an often injured never done much but has potential.
    I never said he’s the worst just saying he aint worth passing up that amount of draft picks. Maybe if he has at least made it to the playoffs I would understand but I truly believe there are more talented quartebacks including Lamar Jackson, Rosen, Darnold and maybe Mayfield. Again his big claim to fame is 2 seasons of 4k passing yards which got me curious so I checked and found out he wasnt even in the top ten in either of those years. During those two seasons his yardage totals equaled less than the guy everone says Jacksonville should toss in the trash Blake Bortles, if I was Bortles Id would be losing my mind how Winston is “hall of famer in waiting” to some in Tampa and he is hated by the whole city, even though he won a playoff game. To suggest its not possible is crazy. I respect your opinion but I think that option has crossed the mind of more people than you think

  86. Eric Says:

    Im the bad Eric because I dont worship Winston… yeah!

  87. Bucko40 Says:

    Preach Eric. Peyton won 28 games in his first 3 seasons and made the playoffs twice. There is no comparison between Winston and Manning. Can’t wait for the NFL to suspend him and finally hold him accountable for Predatory behavior. While he is a talented QB, he’s just not a winning QB.

  88. __TGH__ Says:

    It would be foolish to think Jameis won’t set all kinds of passing records IF he can stay healthy and walk out on the field for the next 10 years. Surely he is the best QB the Bucs have ever had.

    But why can’t you all recognize a clear pattern of (alleged) behavior and not draw the conclusion it will continue? His career with Tampa will end in a dishonorable discharge by Team Glazer. No one will be surprised when it happens, you just don’t want to believe it.

    Still, it seems many people are willing to take such risks with their franchise given the reduced odds he will be able to stay on the field long term. That means you could still get a huge haul for him before it is too late.

    Be bold Licht, float the trade. Get off the tracks before the train comes.

  89. BelleGladeBuc Says:


    Rookie year is a rookie year for a QB in the NFL. Jameis did win 6 games. Tripling the previous year’s record.

    Jameis second year (2016) they were 9-7, and in every game up until the end as they fought for a playoff spot as they lost 4 games by 7 points or less. They were blown out by the at the Cardinals, Broncos and the Falcons at home. Not much garbage time that season.

    Jameis 3rd year, he was 3-10. The Patriots loss went down to the wire. The Buffalo loss where he played with a hurt throwing shoulder went down to the wire. The Green Bay loss went to overtime. The Detroit loss was by a field goal in the last 30 seconds of the game. The Atlanta loss Jameis drove them to put them in field goal position to win the game and Murray missed the tying field goal with 5 seconds left in the game. The Carolina loss was by 3 points and went down to the end as Baker jumped offsides to give Carolina a 4th and 1 that Cam converted and scored on.

    Jameis was not covering Dalvin, Diggs or Thielen as they shredded the secondary for a combined 343 yards and two TD’s in that loss. He also was not on the field to stop Dalvin from rushing 27 times for 97 yards and 1 score.

    Arizona loss he was hurt early as AP went Hulk Hogan on our run defense.

    Panthers game he played hurt, but he hurt his team and they lost.

    New Orleans game he played hurt again and got knocked out by halftime. They were losing 16-3 at the half thanks to our special teams giving up a blocked punt for a TD.

    Not much garbage time that season. Also our defense was the worst defense in the NFL last year bHis line is horrible and Martin, Rodgers, Barber and Simms were his RB’s.

    Are you sure that you are a fan of the Bucs. Did you watch any of the games last year?

  90. BelleGladeBuc Says:


    I believe Dr. Jamie Naughtright, who won multiple settlements against Manning for sexual assault, as her story never changed.

    Jameis college accuser said she was drunk until the police lab reports showed her not to be. Jameis college accuser then said she was drugged until the police lab report showed that she wasn’t. Jameis college accuser then said she was hit over the head until the police and hospital said that she had no head injuries.

    Peyton Manning has Hall of Fame Running Backs Marshall Faulk and then Edge James to hand the ball too from his rookie year. Don’t forget stud LT Tarik and HOF receiver Marvin Harrison to throw too.

  91. Phillip Says:

    I love how you throw out his rookie year is his rookie year.. Be objective or stop responding.

    Also quick to avoid the under 24 stats? The record is amazing till you realize he has an extra season under his belt.

    I ended my statement each time hoping he puts it all together this upcoming season for a reason.. I must not have watched him fumble so much like it was a positive stat or not have any accuracy when it comes to the deep ball.. Also watched him play like a top 10 QB down the stretch but still get them boneheaded turnovers… But ya again I didn’t watch any games..


    The kid has all the talent in the world he just has to put it all together and giving him fake praise doesn’t do anyone any good.. You’ll have the blind followers(yourself), the blind haters, and objective views who can see both sides of it (like myself).. SMH

  92. Phillip Says:

    Oh let me end with this.. Just because a game ends close doesn’t mean the Bucs weren’t being blown out and played some soft time killing defense(hint that is also garbage time).

    Don’t be so quick to throw out foolish statements next time maybe?

  93. BelleGladeBuc Says:


    Can you tell me when Jameis has All Pro Jalen on his team to shut down the opposing teams receiver with Bouye and Hayden at the other corners to lick down the #2 and #3 receiver? Can you tell me when Jameis has Campbell’s 14.5 sacks, Malik’s 8 sacks, Ngakoue’s 12 sacks and Fowler’s 8 sacks on his team?

    Can you tell me when Martin, Rodgers, Simms and Barber are equal to Fournette, Yeldon, Ivory or grant?

    Can you please tell me when Cam Robinson, Omameh, Linder, Norwell and Parnell is blocking for him?

    Blake right now is performing like Buc’s version of Dilfer with the amount of talent he has.

    Or do you believe that the Bucs defensive and offensive talent was equal to the Jags?

  94. BelleGladeBuc Says:


    107 of the people drafted with Jameis were underclassmemen. That’s almost half of the draft class. 21 year old juniors are normal in the NFL draft. Have been the norm from the time of Maurice Clarett Rule back in 2003.

    Marino set that record in 27 games. That’s a tribute to how great Marino was as well as the fact that he was drafted on a Super Bowl team.

    You sound like an individual arguing Marris’ single season homerun record vs Ruth’s.

    The fact is numerous QB’s have been drafted at the age of 21 like Jameis was in the NFL since Marino set the record 34 years ago and Jameis has been the only QB to break that record.

  95. Eric Says:

    Wow bellglade you really love you some J-miss Aton . Naming the whole defense makes no sense. We were talking yardage totals compared to Borles not defense. Btw Norwell just signed this year brother and played last season in Carolina. Based on that I can see you really dont know that much about the NFL. Not worth my time

  96. BelleGladeBuc Says:


    You are the foolish one.

    In Jameis second season he was 9-7.

    The loss to the Rams was by 5 points and ended with Jameis trying to score a rushing TD to win the game at the 5 yard line as time expired. No garbage time.

    The Oakland loss went to OT. No garbage time there.

    The Cowboys loss was by 6 and we were winning in the 4th quarter 20-17. No garbage time there.

    The Saints loss was by 7 and the score in the fourth quarter was 28-21. No garbage time there.

    I noted that they did have 3 losses where they were blown out that year. Maybe that’s the HUGE amount of games his second year you were talking about.

  97. BelleGladeBuc Says:


    You don’t know very much about Football. Norwell is who Joe wanted because he would have helped us and hurt a division rival. Also, Nelson wouldn’t be on our draft board if we got a proven veteran stud like Norwell. He will be blocking for Bortles and Fournette. A Super Bowl contending team with a 2,000 yard rushing attack just got stronger.

    So a QB who has one the leagues most dominating defenses makes no sense to you?

    Did you see what they did to New England’s offense led by the GOAT in Brady?

    Have you forgotten our Super Bowl caliber defense with Sapp, Lynch, Barber, Rice, or have you never been a fan?

    Jacksonville’s defense makes it easier for a competent QB to win. A great QB with that defense wins multiple championships.

    Brady’s first Championships were because the Patriots with Law, Rodney, McGinnest, Teddy, Vrabel, Seymour, Lawyer, Wildork defenses shut down the greatest show on turf.

    The Pats Carolina Championship win the Pats defense destroyed the Panthers up until the fourth quarter when both teams offenses exploded. That game was a defensive slug fest until the fourth quarter.

    The Pats 3rd Championship they destroyed the high power offense of McNair, Westbrook and Owens. That defense had to overcome Tom Brady’s multiple turnovers giving the Eagles great field position and holding them to punts. That Pats defense also created 4 turnovers.

    Seems like you don’t know much about football. Or did you think the Patriots #6 ranked defense in their first Super Bowl, #1 ranked defense in their second championship or their #2 ranked defense in their third championship were not as big of a factor as Brady? You think the Brady of today was the Brady during those years, don’t you? You forgot that they had power running backs in Smith and Dillion. It was the Parcells/Bellicheck Super Bowl Formula. Dominating defenses with a power running game. Brady wasn’t the NFL MVP for any of those teams.

    Mic drop.

  98. BelleGladeBuc Says:


    All of those Pats defenders didn’t all play together during their first 3 Championships.

  99. LongSeason Says:

    “As Joe noted, one Bucs fan commenting on this here site wants Bucs AC/DC-loving general manager Jason Licht to trade away Jameis for whatever the team can get for him and draft quarterback project Lamar Jackson at No. 7.”

    Joe, you and I know that Jameis is not the problem. The only worry I have with Jameis is someone targeting him with an allegation of sexual assault. I really believe that the man has learned his lesson. Bill Cosby he isn’t.

    Last year, I was worried about his health when his play suffered along with his injury. He did show usa ll what he is truly capable of with his 44-32-384-1-3 passing day at Buffaro. If I am right he averaged more passing yards per game last year.

    Linebackers, WR, TE and P don’t worry me. All else fails. Let’s not waiste Jameis. Oh, the guy holding the chains on the sideline was pretty solid, too.