JPP’s Exit From Gotham
March 23rd, 2018
New York deemed expendable.
So why did the Giants part with Jason Pierre-Paul?
Whenever a reader of Joe asks about obtaining a certain player, Joe always tries to put himself in the office chair of the opposing general manager. Why would he want to wash hands of a good player?
So Joe went to the New York tabloids. And Paul Schwartz of the New York Post declared the Giants’ agreement to give up JPP to the Bucs was multilayered.
The move is a possible signal the Giants are thinking of taking North Carolina State defensive end Bradley Chubb with the No. 2 overall pick. Chubb is viewed as the best pass rusher in this draft and would be a better fit than Pierre-Paul in the 3-4 the Giants are moving to under new defensive coordinator James Bettcher.
Schwartz also noted by trading JPP, the Giants got salary cap relief.
Joe also noticed some speculation on the NFL Network that Bradley Chubb was a better fit defensively for the Giants than JPP would be.
But it is over. The Bucs have JPP. And Joe assumes that no one may be happier than stud defensive tackle Gerald McCoy.
March 23rd, 2018 at 5:04 am
What a strategic move. I think we still need an excellent rotational addition to keep the “horses fresh”. Great job Light, GO BUCS!
March 23rd, 2018 at 5:08 am
Which means the Bucs still get slim pickings. They trade down, most likely, and Licht probably knew that they wanted a change or he made an offer hoping to force the giants hand in the draft. That means with three QBs going, Chubb to the GMen, then Barkley to the Browns, the Colts take Quenton and the Bucs are stuck either taking ANOTHER Safety at 7, or moving down to get more picks in what history will show as one of the worst draft classes in over a decade.
March 23rd, 2018 at 5:25 am
Several analysts have already said that there are only about 8-10 guys worth going in the first round, and compared to other draft classes there are a ton of guys this year that are no where near the same talent level. Makes sense that Licht has been looking for starters in free agency.
March 23rd, 2018 at 5:34 am
The giants are eating 15 mil on the cap this year for sending him here. They get 19 mil off the cap next yr tho. Its gota be the combination of the new 3-4 and the cap hit. And new GM. The guy makes alot of money. Can only have a few of those guys on every team. I hope he is motivated here. It could end up a great signing or a big problem a year from now. I like it tho. Had to do something
March 23rd, 2018 at 5:51 am
Move up for Barkley OR pick Nelson if he’s there at #7…if those moves aren’t possible, trade down for more picks
March 23rd, 2018 at 6:29 am
Trade down and draft Denzel Ward
March 23rd, 2018 at 6:32 am
Sigh!
I know there are, as usual, posters here who hate the trade.
Me? For the first time in years, the Bucs have a Pass rushing DE!!
And teamed with McCoy and the new signees- we will have a decent Pass rush!
That started my day off with a smile
Now- we should do everything possible to sign Barkley!
Including trading every other pick we have!!
He is the best back since Barry Sandwrs. Im I’m ussually dead against drafting RBs in the first round.
But this kid is special.
March 23rd, 2018 at 6:39 am
They can’t move up and give away picks more picks. Yes Barkley would be nice.
They can get a db, safety and running back – 3 biggest needs with 1-2-4 which now the 4th is almost end of 3rd cause they switched with Giants. Guice or Michel at running back after getting Derwin’s James , minkah or my fav Denzel ward in the 1st . If they can pull that off , no excuses this year.
The team is stocked at all levels compared to last year. Denzel ward is being compared to lattimore from same Ohio state. Makes me think we get him or minkah since bucs are so inept at corner and didn’t pursue ej Gaines
March 23rd, 2018 at 6:43 am
The same posters that hate the trade are just trolls and can’t say nothin positive about bucs.
Cried about not getting Quinn and not getting Bennett . And now State jpp is washed up. All 3 guys had same 8.5 sacks last year and no one has more in one season then jpp 16.5. Only jj watt has more batted passes .
And bucs can move on from jpp after 1 year if it doesn’t work out. Seems like a win win to me
March 23rd, 2018 at 6:50 am
I like this signing a lot and does plug a huge hole for us. Even before this move my thought was that we needed to find a draft partner to drop down and acquire more picks and now it seems more apparent. I heard the Ward comparison to Lattimore last night as well, but if we trade down he will not be there past 9/10. We will still have our shot at Jackson (Iowa), DE Landry(BC), Vea, but Licht could also grab our LG of the future too. That is becoming a glaring need for the Bucs. I think we drop down, go CB, LG, than RB in draft. That means we pass on Guice, Michel, and probably N Chubb. There is still a lot of time left but draft is going to be interesting for Bucs.
March 23rd, 2018 at 7:02 am
Joe why do you always refer to Gerald McCoy as a stud?
March 23rd, 2018 at 7:06 am
RLichts I don’t know, maybe his constantly being named all pro makes some posters think he is good.
March 23rd, 2018 at 7:11 am
JPP or Olivier Vernon were the guys that I called for back in Jan. The Giants had serious cap trouble and had to clear some cap space. Plus they’re converting to a 3-4 so 1 of the 2 DE’s were expendable. Great job by Licht of capitalizing on that.
March 23rd, 2018 at 7:23 am
I would be pissed if I were a Giants fan – if the Giants skipped out on the Jets trade to stay at 2 and draft Chubb. They could have traded down to 6 and got three 2s and then take their pick of Chubb, Nelson, or Barkley at 6. I still think they are going QB or trading out of that pick…Go Bucs!
March 23rd, 2018 at 7:25 am
We need a CB in FA….that will give us an option at #7 to pick Nelson if he’s there or a S.
I like the trade down option if it is available….there will still be teams needing a QB…we need to fill many holes and extra picks would be good….especially now that we don’t have our 3rd.
March 23rd, 2018 at 7:32 am
The perfect set up would be for Buffalo to want the Bucs 7 pick with the Bucs on the clock…the deal would be both Buffalo’s 1 st round picks and their 3rd round pick…..otherwise the Buc NEED to shore up the back end…CB/Safety then a RB with our 2nd round pick…..sorry I’ve change my mind….no to the big 3…hopefully they’ll all be gone and force QB’s into the 7 hole
March 23rd, 2018 at 7:37 am
Bucs made a solid move to improve the DE position but now they are in a tough spot. Do they stay at 7 and hope Nelson, Chubb, or Barkley fall to them? Or do they try and trade down with the Bills? I think if they are going to trade down they need to do it now. If Arizona who also needs a QB jumps up then there will be less incentive for the Bills to trade up. At that point unless they are jumping the Redskins which means they won’t be trading with the Bucs.
March 23rd, 2018 at 7:44 am
Same ol, same ol from the same tired posters. FACT: JPP is the first legit DE GMC has played alongside since Bennett. Do ya think there might be a correlation between lack of double-digit sacks and legit talent on the line?!
Fans?! SMH!
March 23rd, 2018 at 7:51 am
This is what happens when teams have cap problems…..NY had to eat $15 million on JPP (part of his guarantee signing bonus)……that free’s up a couple of million this year and a ton next year. They need that to sign other players.
They knew when they did this that Chubb would be there for them in the draft and that would provide them with a cheaper player going forward.
The Bucs have been fortunate to avoid cap space problems and Licht has been diligent with his contracts. We will have to be more careful going forward.
Don’t be surprised if players like GMC, LVD are on the trading block soon.
I wouldn’t be surprised if Djax was on now. They would trade Gholston but probably nobody wants him.
March 23rd, 2018 at 7:52 am
One thing is for sure. As long as they stay healthy the argument will be settled this season. McCoy now has help.
March 23rd, 2018 at 7:54 am
The Giants are in “tear down” mode, and the Bucs are in “win or else” mode.
The Giants have a completely new regime, and the Bucs regime is fighting to not be replaced by a brand new regime.
It was a logical move for both parties involved.
March 23rd, 2018 at 7:55 am
Tampa ^^^
“Don’t be surprised if players like GMC, LVD are on the trading block soon.”
as I was falling asleep last night playing Bucs GM in my head….it occurred to me that draft day player trades will become a more common event going forward…it was years ago then became much less common….it will return as players are commodities these days unless you are a top 10 on any particular roster
March 23rd, 2018 at 7:56 am
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March 23rd, 2018 at 7:55 am
WTF ????????????
March 23rd, 2018 at 7:58 am
102nd pick overall, and New York gets the 108th.
Since 2013, a few solid NFL players have been drafted between picks 102 and 108.
Kirk Cousins, Alex Okafor, Bashaud Breeland, Devonta Freeman, Jamison Crowder, and Kendell Beckwith
March 23rd, 2018 at 8:00 am
I love it. The rotation is looking to be on par with the top dawgs of the league. Now get Vea.
My hope is that coach Smitty will play more man press now. With this kind of dline he has to have the secondary play more physical
March 23rd, 2018 at 8:01 am
Why would as Joe states “no one be happier than stud LOL defensive tackle Gerald McCoy? Now ALL his excuses go out the window. He has ZERO reasons for being the mouthpiece he is and then giving us mediocre results. I would bet $100 to your dollar that GMC knows this as well that’s why he will get “hurt in week 2-3 because he CANT have a full season under his belt with JPP otherwise Mr. soft serve will be exposed.
March 23rd, 2018 at 8:11 am
Hail to moderation!God bless America where ever you are!
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March 23rd, 2018 at 8:13 am
Please stop the Ward hype. He is nowhere near the player Lattimore is. He’s a VHIII clone! Hard pass.
Honestly, we are set up to get completely screwed in the draft this year.
March 23rd, 2018 at 8:15 am
If they pick @ 7….Ward !…Edmunds !…James !…I am a Edmunds visionary
March 23rd, 2018 at 8:16 am
The best thing about this is that McCoy will finally have help. This will probably lead him to double digit sacks.
Now, if we got Vita Vea too?
March 23rd, 2018 at 8:22 am
Bonzai, vita vea?you mean the one trick pony with no pass rush moves??yea that’s who we need!LMAO, you must have not looked at his film!HINT=Penn state game!
March 23rd, 2018 at 8:40 am
Only a Buc ‘fan’ would be sour about the possibilities of GMC playing side-by-side with legit talent. “Exposed”? That is so idiotic.
How about this, Buc Believer: Lets root for our TEAM to wreak havoc with the influx of talent. Hey, it might help get you off of those meds!
March 23rd, 2018 at 8:47 am
@Bonzai … “Now, if we got Vita Vea too?” We can dream Bonzai, but that’s probably all it is … a dream that we draft Vea (or Payne). Bucs probably have 1,000 different draft scenarios in play right now, because ANYTHING CAN HAPPEN when teams start drafting. At this point, I could see us drafting any one of about a half dozen players, and even that might change if we sign more FAs (CB? SS? LG?).
For all those in the ‘Win or Else’ camp, that’s a bunch of hooey IMO. Will we be better than 5-11? More than likely we will based on upgrades thus far (especially on defense). Will we be more competitive in the NFC South? I sure hope so, but that’s a HUGE mountain to climb … THREE teams went to the playoffs, and I expect each of them will also get better. But we still have some significant starting holes remaining (LG, RB, CB, SS & DT in my opinion). And given our history with injuries, our lack of depth in certain position groups could very well come back to haunt us. Win or Else? Not really. Cautious optimism as we approach the draft? Most assuredly.
March 23rd, 2018 at 8:53 am
It’s time for cornerbacks now!our front seven looks pretty good so now on to the backend where we need playmakers opposite of mr.miko!
March 23rd, 2018 at 9:00 am
It would not shock me given Licht’s recent past that he will use JPP as the bridge and position for Davenport in the draft. He lit up when speaking about Davenport according to Joe.
March 23rd, 2018 at 9:07 am
Not sure why all of you get so bent regarding moderation. Many of my posts get moderated. Has more to do with commenting from multiple platforms in my observation. At any case, its more of a pain in the rear for Joe to deal with it than you. In all of my “moderations” even when Joe and I fervently disagreed on a topic, every one was posted. I was only edited once (for something I truly know to have been correct but whatever, but if it really bent me that much, I’d just start my own site). I had a forum on a previous site, believe me, the last thing I wanted to do was moderate anything.
March 23rd, 2018 at 9:15 am
If the Bucs draft Derwin James in the first this defense will have a chance to go from worst in the NFL to one of the better units in the league.
March 23rd, 2018 at 9:24 am
Davenport might even be a better 3-4 fit than Chubb, who is clearly a 4-3 DE.
I’m not sure this rules out Quentin Nelson. This is Dave Gettleman we are talking about. Their O-line is absolute trash as well.
March 23rd, 2018 at 9:25 am
Wausa- A safety at #7 though? Man, we need a corner far worse than safety and that doesn’t even take into consideration other areas that need more attention like OL and DL.
James is a nice player, but I can’t see a safety at 7.
March 23rd, 2018 at 9:25 am
The New York Times column made them sound happy to get rid of him, and sounded as if he is a washed up head case who only produces against weaker competition.
March 23rd, 2018 at 10:03 am
I believe that James should be the pick if ” big 3″ are gone. IMO, yes I agree we have bigger need at cb over ss, but James is more of a impact player then Ward is imho…. Ward has speed for days, no doubt, but he is a tad small imo and James seems to be ready to blow up in the nfl and is a “safer” pick. These are just my opinions of coarse and i am not a professional scout by any means, but James definitely passes my eye test. Ward will be a decent player but James could be a great player. John Lynch type enforcer, and way more athletic than even a young Lynch. Go BUCD
March 23rd, 2018 at 10:04 am
@AlreredEgo,
I’m digging your trade with the Bills scenario. If Giants go Chubb then another QB comes closer to 7. But hopefully the Bills will want whichever QB is left over after the run to the buffet.
March 23rd, 2018 at 10:04 am
Let the draft come to us. Litch has given us some, not a ton, of breathing room with #7.
I honestly think Nelson could go before our pick. I also think someone is going to make a silly offer to the Browns or Broncos. Nevertheless, sit tight and watch the draft unfold.
It is my hope that the bills or Cards will move up and give us a couple more picks. Then we could still select a DE in the first 2 rounds. it is also obvious that Litch has to find a CB, RB, OL and DL
March 23rd, 2018 at 10:06 am
Safties are usually top 10 picks if they are talented in the draft, could say that drafting a guard at 7 is far more of a risk then drafting a safety at 7. But several of us would be very happy if Nelson is the guy at 7.
March 23rd, 2018 at 10:44 am
F*** McCoy…got some line depth now, trade the whiny, soft ice cream man!!!
March 23rd, 2018 at 11:07 am
The new NY Giants Defensive Coordinator came from Arizona. He and Jason Licht are friends, so we can all thank Jason Licht for the JPP Trade.
The Giants plan on installing a 3-4 defense, and JPP is better suited for a 4-3.
Walter Football is of the opinion that this trade was good for BOTH teams.
Not only did it give the Giants the 69th overall pick in the draft, it also gave them some badly needed Cap relief.
Remember, JPP played here at USF, so this is a homecoming for him.
Jason Licht IMHO has done a very good job for us this year.
Now, we will get the chance to see what GMC can do, when he is not triple teamed much of the time!
March 23rd, 2018 at 11:15 am
Bucsfanman why would I want to get off those “meds”? They are the ones your wife told me she takes to keep putting up with your arse.
March 23rd, 2018 at 11:16 am
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FIRETHEGLAZERS,
There is no way the Giants are drafting Chubb at #2 imho … he’s a 4-3 DE and they’re switching to a 3-4 … they could have just kept JPP if they wanted another 4-3 DE … silly.
Also, what LOONS are saying there are only 8-10 1st rounders in this year’s first round? That’s ridiculous.
Quenton Nelson and Saquon Barkley are the BEST OG and RB prospects in any draft in the past decade.
Darnold & Rosen are two of the best QB prospects in the past decade.
Minkah & Derwin are two of the best S prospects in the past decade.
Chubb & Ward are two of the best DE & CB prospects in the past decade.
Vea & Payne are two of the best DT prospects in the last decade.
That’s 10 right there, and not just 10 1st round talents, but 10 of the top prospects in the past decade.
There are still a whole bunch of 1st round talent guys: Ridley, McGlinchey, Joshua Jackson, Mike Hughes, Derrius Guice, Taven Bryant, Maurice Hurst, Josh Allen, Baker Mayfield, Davenport, etc.
Come on man … don’t make such asinine statements.
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March 23rd, 2018 at 11:25 am
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SAQUON, CHUBB OR NELSON, OR TRADE DOWN!
If the Bills can’t get into the top 6 and one of the top 4 QBs is still available at #7, I would prefer to trade the #7 to the Bills for the #12, #22 and #96.
I love Saquon and Nelson and like Chubb, but I don’t think any of those three guys are worth THREE players.
Instead of Saquon, we could get Viti Vea + Derrius Guice + Anthony Averett
Instead of Nelson we could get Derwin + Isaiah Wynn + Rashaad Penny
Instead of Chubb we could get Davenport + Joshua Jackson + Derrick Nnandi
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March 23rd, 2018 at 11:27 am
To be honest JPP is just the guy I wanted all along and I seriously think he will become a Hall of Famer here in Tampa. I’m glad we didn’t get Bennett or Quinn they are not as fast as JPP nor would they have the passion for this city like the native JPP. Quinn is nasty but like Mario Williams or the kid Bradley Chubb they carry too much weight and are not athletic speedy guys but more power and effective in run defense we have plenty of those guys that’s why I’m glad we’re not drafting Chubb. Chubb will become another Bowers, Adams, or even Bennett. Bennett is losing it by the day that’s why he’s making no money right now and he no longer has passion. Coming to Tampa Bay would’ve did nothing for Bennett but allow him to talk trash and get paid. Nothing on the field would be positive for us from Bennett just like it was before. He was playing to leave Tampa and I seriously believe he was just happy to get that opportunity plus MRSA broke out in the locker room while he was there. Yeah it’s pretty safe to say Bennett was never coming back to Tampa Bay. The organization is probably responsible for the attitude he has now which is sad to me and a testament to Schiano and who he was rather than Tampa Bay fans and the Glazers. JPP was perfect to grab and he is the perfect player for Buc Ball. Passionate man that’s bringing passion to this passionless organization. I still think they should draft Sweat out of Florida St. though as another speedy end off the bench as he adjusts his body to the NFL and continue to preserve his knee that he injured in high school. If FSU had went 9-4 even a lot of these players would be first rounders like James and Sweat and Nnandi. We have the opportunity to get all three plus a running back.
March 23rd, 2018 at 12:47 pm
Folks have been looking as to whether JPP fits the new giants defense. What about Chubb though? Chubb is a 43 DE that can play either side. He’s not a 34 player. I would t think Chubb would fit the giants defense either. So I’m a bit skeptical here.
March 23rd, 2018 at 3:11 pm
The move to a 3-4 and the huge cap hit I think made him expendable. They were paying him like a 15-sack a year guy, and they were only getting about 60% of that production. Of course 60% of that production is a HUGE increase for the Bucs who get JPP at a contract that is a lot more reasonable, in the $12-16m range AND they can cut up him no cap hit. For the Giants they had to take a cap hit this year in order to get cap relief to extend Beckham.
March 23rd, 2018 at 3:30 pm
Trading down is our best case scenerio. Chubb and Barkly will be gone. Yes, Nelson is good But..Koetter and Smitty are desparately trying to save their jobs. We need Defensive players. getting 2 for 1 and recouping that 3rd rd loss would be something else! I’m dreamin though. Bucs ain’t tradin down.
March 23rd, 2018 at 5:35 pm
Ohio, Denzel Ward has 4.32 speed and straight up lays the wood! The only thing he has in common with VHIII is size. Completely different games.