NFL Folks Losing Faith In Jameis?

February 21st, 2018

NFL suits giving up on Jameis?

Joe has a fear.

If the Bucs start the 2018 season going 1-3 or 2-5 and have all the appearances of once again finishing in the NFC South basement, Bucs fandom in damn near unison will turn on America’s Quarterback, Pro Bowler Jameis Winston, as if he is the reincarnation of Trent Dilfer.

The cherry on top would be if NFL strongman Roger Goodell suspends Jameis for, say, four games in the middle of the season. Barring a playoff run or Jameis throwing like Aaron Rodgers, his street cred with a large faction of Bucs fans would just about be cashed.

NFL suits are already growing tired of Jameis, per an exhaustive study typed by Mike Sando of BSPN. Sando revisited NFL personnel executitves and coaches to see where they currently stand on Jameis (compared to Marcus Mariota) versus their evaluations prior to the 2015 draft.

Despite Jameis setting NFL passing records and finishing the past season on fire in December, most of those Sando polled are very down on Jameis.

It was a depressing read that signifies 2018 is a very, very, very important year for Jameis as a Bucs quarterback and as an NFL quarterback.

Will Jameis continue to mask as Josh Freeman, a guy who was talented but couldn’t win? Will Jameis continue to be a self-anointed leader who doesn’t lead (a true team leader would have kicked Swaggy Baker squarely in the balls the moment the lazy slob finished himself on a palm tree)? Or will Jameis finally be able to prove he can put a team on his back and guide the Bucs to a meaningful game in January like a franchise quarterback is supposed to do?

Currently, just going by win-loss records, Jameis is essentially the 21st-century version of Vinny Testaverde.

Joe supports Jameis, but at some point, likely sooner than later, folks are going to become fed up with all the theatrics and spoken platitudes and sky-high intangibles and feel-good quotes and start demanding wins.

120 Responses to “NFL Folks Losing Faith In Jameis?”

  1. Walter Says:

    Lol I remember when people laughed at me on these pages for suggesting that James Winston might just be another Josh Freeman.

  2. Tbbucs3 Says:

    They still do, Walter

  3. BucFanFromOH Says:

    Tbbucs3 Says:
    February 21st, 2018 at 10:03 am
    They still do, Walter


  4. D-Rome Says:

    The way I see it if Jameis doesn’t succeed in 2018 it will be an organizational failure. He plays the most dependent position on the field and requires the other 21 players on offense and defense doing their jobs effectively.

  5. tmaxcon Says:

    Every player that arrives in Tampa regresses. It’s a buc life

  6. Guzziep Says:

    The life of a Bucs QB, JW doesn’t become the 1st Bucs QB to get a 2nd contract, I’M DONE, I’m not going to live long enough to see the Bucs become a winner, and I’m 42, I’ll find better things to do with my Sundays, like rooting for the JAGS, I need to start watching hockey, that’s the only Tampa team that actually cares about their fans, PATHETIC OWNERS for Rays and Bucs

  7. Tbbucs3 Says:

    Jameis can only play 1 position, Joe. Itd be great if he could rush the passer, play safety and kick field goals. Jameis cant do everything.

  8. Syl Says:

    Who cares what those guys think. They always liked Mariota more than Jameis, but Jameis is in a more dysfunctional organization than Tennessee. He is in a tougher division with better QB’s aside from Luck who has been injured for 3 years and is still better than anyone in his division. Jameis is in a better Conference with QB’s all over the place. That is the reality they do not look at when they make these pronouncements. And I know there is a consensus that Jameis is the lowest QB in the division, but I actually think he is no. 2. The other teams are better run than Tampa. How dysfunctional is this team they put the leadership mantle on a 20 year old QB that is how dysfunctional. Jameis is far from the problem he is more of a solution than Tampa ever had at QB.

  9. Guzziep Says:

    Heck JAGS draft Lamar Jackson, I might flip the channel altogether, not saying he’s a lock or anything but that kid with Fournette and that defense would be fun to watch, in fact no harm making the JAGS my AFC team, anyone know the JAGS blog lol

  10. Bucn Enough Says:

    JW’s wins and losses are more about Jason Gumps failure to build a team on both sides of the ball….

    So, he will get the second contract, with a different coach and GM in charge.

  11. Skipper Says:

    Winston is one of the few positives this team has. Anyone that knows football can see he has played very well down the stretch under pressure with no running game.

  12. Fanalyzer34 Says:

    D-Rome is 100% spot on. I don’t care who your QB is…. if your organization isn’t structured in such a way for him to be successful long ter, he will not be successful. The Bucs had Steve Young in the 80’s and he flopped – not because he couldn’t play but because it was a bad organization starting with Hugh Culverhouse. He goes out to San Francisco (the model franchise of the 80’s) and has a HOF career. Why? Because the organization was set up for its QBs to be successful.

  13. Waterboy Says:

    JW is at the very least average. You can win super bowls with an average QB if the right pieces are in place but this team is currently built in a way that requires Winston to always play great for them to have any level of success.

  14. tmaxcon Says:


    The orgaization is incompetent not rebuilding. It does not take 16 years to rebuild in between meaningful wins.

  15. Frank Pillow Says:

    Yes, he’s prone to a unique level of boneheadedness, but Jaboo is NOT the reason this team flat out sucks. For large stretches of last year, the play-calling and game-plans were suspect. The GM and HCs refusal to address the critical missing piece to this offense- a running game- also killed us. Oh, and the utter lack of talent along the DL, at DB and some piss-poor scheming and execution didn’t help 😉

  16. Lamarcus Says:

    Well it’s of a Tampa Bay Buc issue than JW issue. Before he got here he defined what winning is all about. Until his name was called in the draft to come to Tampa.

  17. Lamarcus Says:


    I’m with you. If JW leaves I’m leaving. Simple as that. That would be the straw for sure

  18. ndog Says:

    A QB with the worst defense in the NFL and the 27th ranked rushing attack is blamed for losing. These people are complete and total idiots. And oh yeah he had a hurt shoulder all year but none of that matters he is a loser cause he cant overcome a defense that could not touch a QB or a Runningback that was just cut. Yeah the losing is all his fault.

  19. Gambelero Says:

    I’m with D-Rome and Fanalyzer. This post says more about the Glazers than it does about Jameis. Jacksonville’s defense gave their offense 30 more drives than our offense got. When your defense is last or near last in yards per drive, drive success rate, third down stops, plays per drive, etc., your quarterback is not going to have a lot of wins.

    The Glazers better get serious or Jameis is gone at 26 along with ME, Kwon, Ali and the boys to win Super Bowls for other teams.

  20. tmaxcon Says:

    Jameis will go down as greatest buc of all time and easily most important buc of all time if glazers get out of the way. It’s not like the bar is set high for a franchise with only 6 playoff wins in 42 years.

  21. Buccaneer scotty Says:

    That story is 100percent right on !

  22. doolnutts Says:

    I would be lying if I didn’t say I haven’t been worried. Winston’s turnovers are a real problem and I suppose you could blame coaching but when you drop a snap under center or throw a pick into triple coverage I find myself wondering if there is a coach that can fix those types of mistakes….

    I know Koetter knows this… Those that watched HBO Hardknocks saw the meeting between Winston and Koetter.. He has to cut the turnovers period… He is just 24 years old if he can cut the turnovers and we can help him more on the defense the sky is the limit.

  23. Pickgrin Says:

    “Jameis is essentially the 21st-century version of Vinny Testaverde”

    Ouch Joe – can’t believe you are turning on your boy like this.

    Man – last year really messed up Bucs fans heads something fierce.

    BTW Vinny had 35 INTs his 2nd year in the league. Winston didn’t throw that many in his 1st and 2nd years combined starting all 32 games.

  24. StPeteBucsFan Says:

    We lost seven games last year by a TD or less. Win five of those seven and we have a ten win season.

    Our franchise QB clearly had major arm problems visiting Orthopods all over the Southeast. He wasn’t really better until the final quarter of the season. We lost more player/games than any other team in the league. Yeah excuses or reality?

    It doesn’t matter how much ability our players may possess if they don’t have the critical ability….availability.

    Last year is not on one guy, one coach, one GM…it was a total meltdown.

    Meanwhile back to Jameis. You guys DO realize that our fifth win was TOTALLY due to Jameis. Yeah he’s a gunslinger who sometimes tries too hard…can you say Bret Favre? But look at that last game. #3 literally took that game into his own hands…ignored his head coach…and found Godwin on a make or break throw. The kid has heart and he has stones.

    Go ahead and ignore that final game. I think I’ll leave my attention there for awhile as just what is possible with our young QB. Jameis was the ONLY reason we won that game. I can name a few QB’s with SB cred who might have tried what Jameis pulled off…Brady…Rodgers…Roethlisberger…but a 3rd year QB on a struggling teamk. This kid has special talent and yes some special challenges.

    So #3 plays his heart out…Koetter is on the ropes…and his team went out and won a game against the best team in the division with NOTHING but PRIDE on the line. That’s where I choose to place my attention.

    Yet others here can’t seem to enjoy #3’s abilities and successes. Not saying he’s perfect but when a team that has been battered all year long responds the way our guys did the final game…how can you not love it. I’ll tell you. You’re so freaking negative that instead seeing this as building block for ’18 all you can do is whine about dropping three draft positions. It’s just freaking amazing!!!

  25. tmaxcon Says:

    St Pete

    Whether you lose by 1 or 100 its FAILURE

  26. 813bucboi Says:

    that’s BS….Winston doesn’t play defense…..Winston doesn’t call the plays or select personnel…..Winston doesn’t draft or sign FA’s….

    with that said, Winston has run out of excuses as well….don’t want to hear how young he is anymore or the “gunslinger” excuse when he turns the ball over…..

    #NOEXCUSESIN2018!!!!….GO BUCS!!!!

  27. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:

    I don’t care what anyone thinks of him. Feelings don’t win games.

    And so far as ladt year I think forcing Jackson on him instead of letting the chemistry develo naturally was the big issue.

  28. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:

    And, btw, Winston led multiple comebacks through the year only to have defense blow the lead.

  29. Lord Cornelius Says:

    Despite being injured Winston outplayed Mariota in 2017 in every passing category. Mariota had 15 interceptions to 13 TDs.

    This just shows how dumb and biased the media is; or how dumb it is to associate wins with QBs and not consider any other variables.

  30. MTM Says:

    The people in the NFL losing faith in Winston must be watching the games. It definitely not must see TV. As a long tome Bucs fan you sense the team trying to find ways to loose games. They never put there foot on the other teams throat. To dam passive.

  31. brooks55hof Says:

    BUCS should draft a QB in first round. Been saying that all season

  32. StPeteBucsFan Says:

    BTW…just google #3’s stats.

    His completion % has gone from 58% to 60% to 63.8%. He HAS worked on his accuracy and I see better decision making.

    His interception % is also improving…as in dropping. He went from 2.8% int % to 3.2% to a career low last year of 2.5%.

    Jameis HAS been working and improving on his accuracy, decision making.

    BUT…he has one area that’s just horrible. Ball security!!! He just has to hang on to the ball better. He fumbled 3X on year one…4X in year two and 4X last year with half the attempts of the first two years because of his injury. He needs to figure out how to hang on to the ball. Since he’s improved his completion % and reduced his int % I tend to believe he’ll figure this out as well.

  33. BUCKMAN Says:


  34. ndog Says:

    Lets just look at it this way. For a moment just ignore how horrible our running game was and lets look at the last 5 teams win totals that finished dead last in defense.
    2016 SF – 2 wins
    2015 NYG – 6 wins
    2014 Atlanta – 6 wins
    2013 Dallas – 8 wins
    2012 NO – 7 wins

    Now throw in the fact that we had no running game and the FACT that Jameis was hurt all year. How can anyone, without an agenda, look at those facts and say the QB was at fault. So I guess in 2014 Matt Ryan was a bum because they only won 6 games, or Eli Manning (2X super bowl winner) forgot how to read defenses in 2015 cause his team only won 6 games. People it is not that difficult, unless you have a good overall team you are going to lose games, but again when you have a agenda or preconceived opinion on someone it is really easy to say see I was right all along he was a bad pick from the jump. Facts are there for a reason but by all means please go ahead and ignore them as why would they matter.

  35. StPeteBucsFan Says:


    So you’re telling me if you had a team that lost all their games by four or more TD’s you’d be feeling exactly the same as losing 7 by one score or less?

    Really? You’d rather go into 2018 with a team that routinely gets routed or a team that at least shows some promise.

    You have totally unreal standards. No team is going undefeated. So they WILL have some losses which for you defines failure.

  36. Cgmaster Says:

    JOE comparing Jameis to josh freeman is an insult. Freeman didn’t work like Jameis Or have half the talent. Stop comparing w l records as it’s a TEAM SPORT. And ofcourse people on the nfl like mariota more than Jameis ,mariota is a choirboy. And when you compare last season mariota was awful, it hey his TEAM made the playoffs so there’s that.

  37. Cgmaster Says:

    BRooks 55 were all glad you aren’t the gm. You get the dumb comment of the day award.

  38. mike malarkey Says:

    sorry to say this but hes going to get at least a 2 game suspension at least

  39. tmaxcon Says:


    Just tired of the optimists not accepting how horrendous the situation is with bucs organization. This roster is soft and mentally weak. There is no hope with glazers ca lling shots.

  40. ndog Says:

    Also don’t forget this, do any of us really think any of these folks polled watched Bucs games? All they do is watch the highlights on ESPN and read stupid articles like the one Tom Jones wrote and think Jameis is some horrible person and just flat out don’t like him period end of sentence. He was going to have win 14 games a year and break every passing record there is in his first 3 years (oh wait he actually did that) for them to even consider saying something positive about him.

  41. tmaxcon Says:

    Mike malarkey

    Jameis will not be suspended. The gold digging skank has no case. No evidence just another lying beotch trying to cash in.

  42. BrianBucs Says:

    Jameis has the Bucs in a bad situation. He has too much possible potential to move away from, but at the same time has not shown that he is or possibly can/will be a true franchise QB. Next season will be very important as the Bucs will have to decide if it’s time to fish or cut bait with him

  43. denjoe Says:

    It’s hard to win with no defense or running game!

  44. Lord Cornelius Says:

    Brees went 7-9 3 f*cking years in a row. 3 LOSING seasons in a row. Guess Mariota is better than him too?

    Seriously the debate I hear on QBs are so dumb sometimes. The Denver radio guys are all talking Qbs constantly and make so many dumb points. Like saying Cousins isn’t a winning QB for example because of their record last year; but ignoring the fact that they had a terrible defense like the Bucs; on top of no skill players on offense and a banged up line. You don’t think having the Broncos defense instead of the Redskins defense would have any effect?

    It’s kind of weird how stupid a lot of analysts can be when it comes to seeing the big picture of this league

  45. JimmyJack Says:

    The shame of it all is all the stuff that happens when he’s not on the field. Without that we are not even having this conversation.

  46. stu Says:

    At some point stats and records become worthless if they are not a byproduct of W’s and rings.

  47. JimmyJack Says:

    I would not give up on Winston til you get him a team that can get into the post season.

    You invested a lot in the guy and owe it to yourselves to see how great he can be. To me it’s just stupid to give up on your franchise QB because his team sucks.

    And I get all the offield stuff but you find me one case of a guy that had controversy that didn’t go away from winning and maybe I’ll listen.

  48. StPeteBucsFan Says:


    Tell us some more details about Fameis Arizona adventure. You clearly must have been in that car since you post as if you have facts.

    Have you NO DECENCY TMAX? “The gold digging skank has no case.”

    YOU were not there. You have NO IDEA of what actually happened. Calling the girl a gold digging skank says far more about you than it does her.

    Again at max…at TMAXipad…10% of sexual charges, rape etc, are false charges. That’s 90% that ACTUALLY HAPPENED.

    Calling the girl a “gold digging skank” is just as inappropriate as calling Jameis a sexual predator and a thug. BOTH are horrible!!! None of us KNOWS what really happened. Slamming Jameis or the girl is just inappropriate.

  49. StPeteBucsFan Says:


    “At some point stats and records become worthless if they are not a byproduct of W’s and rings.”

    Agree although it doesn’t diminish my respect for the many outstanding…some HOF QB’ who never got to play on a championship team.

    But I agree I simply think the critical phrase in your sentence is “at some point”.
    Many here apparently feel we’ve passed that point…others are not yet willing to give up on him until we get a defense which basically now boils down to getting a pass rush.

  50. ndog Says:

    Guys this all goes back to the smear job ESPN did on Jameis when he was at FSU. Did he do some stupid things yes but they piled on like no other to distract everyone from looking at their cash cow the SEC and what was really going to there. For example just three years ago (right when Jameis was getting killed by ESPN) of the top 15 schools with the most arrests the SEC alone had 9 of them. Do you think that might be important to report or is it more important to talk about Jameis getting free crab legs from Publix for 3 hours a day on everyone of their stations. Those SEC schools combined to have 157 arrests in 5 years but I am sure none of you knew that. You know why because ESPN did not jam it down your throat every five minutes. These guys are no different they only know what they are spoon fed.

  51. ndog Says:

    Everyone don’t forget this is the same site that peddles the ridiculous notion that Cam Newton is a better QB every chance they get by saying Jameis is the 4th best QB in this division when by every individual passing measure Jameis is clearly measure. So please take this article with a grain of salt.

  52. ndog Says:

    Sorry clearly better.

  53. JimmyJack Says:

    @ndog……Don’t be ridicilous. That’s the way it goes when you’re high profile. If you get the spotlight you better act accordingly. Crying foul after the fact is just an excuse and it don’t matter how fair you think that is. That’s just the way it works and you should know this.

    Not to mention that all of that stuff would be completely forgotten by now if Winston would give no reasons to bring it back up.

    Call it a smear job all you want but it’s a fact that more people are going to give a rats ass about a Winston story then any other you wanna talk about.

  54. Max Says:

    Quarterbacks are not the leaders of the team and I think we should stop expecting that out of Jameis. All the great quarterbacks just have the teams respect and do their job, they arent the rah rah locker room guys. The only exception that comes to my mind is brees.

  55. JimmyJack Says:

    I really think it’s needless for fans to try and defend Winston on here. If you’re a Winston fan so be it get ready for him next year.

    The fact is when a team is losing the QB is the first spot many fans look to blame. It’s always been that way and it’s never going to change. Not for Winston not for anybody.

    If you are happy with Winston, fine. But don’t expect to change anybody’s mind about him. Only wins will do that.

  56. Joeypoppems Says:


    Winston’s leadership was one of his best qualities as a player. It should be expected

  57. JimmyJack Says:

    And if you don’t believe it go back 4 or so years ago when the Patriots started slow to open a season and some fans were saying Brady was over the hill.

    If you can’t stop them from turning on Brady you can’t stop it with Winston. Don’t kid yourselves.

  58. Buccaneer Bill Says:

    This topic quickly generated some comments! Joe you continue to do what you do!

    Anyone that works as hard as Jameis is automatically better than Josh Freeman.

    Jameis will be fine. Even with all the issues he’s better than we’ve had, the question is whether he’s the best we’ve had ever. His stats keep improving. As far as performance, a couple of those throws in that last drive of the season were things of beauty.

    It’s hard for a disgruntled fan base to hear, but there’s a time for patience.

  59. DBS Says:

    Funny to look back and see a few years ago at all the comments. everything was an “excuse”. But not now. So now blame the defense, offensive line , running backs coaches you name it but not the QB. But still only putting up 17 to 20 points on the board. But the main excuse was all we need is a franchise QB. Plus now it is a passing league. So came “WeaponsforWinston”. Ok you got them. Let’s kick field goals. So who is the Field General? Who can get them down the field but not into the end zone? Stats are garbage if you can’t get your team points.

  60. BucEmUp Says:

    Told my buddy the other day I would give philly the first round pick for foles and let the best qb take the job. No chances.

    Then again it doesn’t matter because Mike Smith will still lose the game for us.

  61. I'm tired and 87 is right Says:

    I’m also in that boat if Jameis leaves I’m done with this team as well. Season ticket holder since 2013. He is not at all the Bucs problem, and shame on ESPN not being able to recognize that. We know better because we watch every game. Go Bucs!

  62. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:

    We all know the national media rarely pays attention to the Bucs. IT doesn’t matter what they think.

  63. idiaznet Says:

    I think it is funny we finally get a QB that teams are afraid to put out on the field and we as a fanbase start roasting him. He is clearly a leader on this team. It isn’t his responsibilty to control guys like Baker. That should have been 93’s job.

    As for the offense, just look at the Panther’s game and tell me that they weren’t trying to shorten the game and keep 3 off the field. If we get him a defense he won’t be pushing the ball into tight places as much. His first year as a starter with FSU he lit it up with a defense and clearly showed the talent he has. He is still young and learning give him the chance to learn. Everyone seemed to give CAM and MCnabb the time. Just give 3 the time and he will prove you right. It takes time to get on the same page with a WR, and being hurt doesn’t help. He wants to get this team to the top and he will get them there, but it takes a total team.

  64. First Down Tampa Bay Says:


    It’s a darn good thing you aren’t in charge of our front office then

  65. Mike Johnson Says:

    Mariota may not be better than Jameis. But he does not make the most costly mistakes. And he’s becoming a fan favorite because of his temperment. Not to mention he’s rather clean cut without controversy and the law! Ubtil Jameis gets his team to apost the playoffs, he gona be looked at as average at best. Especially playin in a small market. currently he is at the bottom of QB’s in our divison and that ain’t good. lets see what this year brings. I’m luvin it because..Dirk and Smitty are under pressure to win. No hiding, no excuses. WIn or lose your job. Now thats what I call..Just-(t) us!

  66. ndog Says:

    So DBS you still think when in the redzone if the defense knows you are going to throw the ball cause you cannot run the ball that is not an advantage? See you guys make these very bold wide ranging statements with no context. If they are dropping everyone into the endzone on 2nd & 9 because we ran for our usual 1 yard or less on first down you still want our QB to make a TD throw when they are playing zone and have all of our targets blanketed and btw pressure is still coming after about 3 seconds. You see when you cant run the ball it changes the game completely but you guys just want to throw that out and act like it doesn’t matter but it does. Why do you always hear teams need to have balance? Why did the Run N Shoot not work, simple they did not have balance and could not run the ball. But again these are just “excuses” right and should not matter as the QB should just be able to throw every play and score at will regardless of what the defense is doing. Listen to yourselves it is ridiculous.

  67. Dusthty Rhothdes Says:

    Maybe dirk should go and look at what jimbo did with jameis and the fast break scheme he used and work towards jamesi stengths and capitalize on them, sometimes these coaches ask qbs to do stuff they cant, liek andy reid and alex smith is/was a perfect match….at the same time elite qbs just can do whatever it is they do and could be successful in any offense

  68. SteveK Says:

    Lord Cornelius Says:
    February 21st, 2018 at 11:39 am
    Brees went 7-9 3 f*cking years in a row. 3 LOSING seasons in a row. Guess Mariota is better than him too?


    Lord Corn,

    Brees has set numerous records for yards/completion percentage, and is consistently a top QB, statistically, in the NFL.

    Jameis just isn’t on that level, and in fact Jameis might be the 9th best QB in the NFC, and that’s average.

    The total picture should include W-L record and stats. Jameis has too many turnovers, but I do like him better than Mariota.

    Can Jameis avoid suspension? That would be a monster kick in the balls, and if we knew one way or another we could adjust the offseason plan.

    If Jameis gets suspended, then i would draft Baker Mayfield if he’s there at #7. Bc we need a QB we can count on, and Jameis can be that guy. Just avoid suspension and stop with the silly giveaways.

  69. ndog Says:

    Titans had the 13 ranked defense in the NFL.
    Bucs had the 32nd ranked defense in the NFL.

    Titans had the 4th most rushing yards in the NFL.
    Bucs the 23rd most rushing yards in the NFL.

    Titans play 4 playoff teams in 2017 (Titans did not play either Super Bowl team from the previous season)
    Bucs played 8 playoff teams in 2017 (Bucs played 3 games vs the Super Bowl teams from the previous year)

    Titans average 20.9 points per game.
    Bucs average 20.9 points per game. (Bucs actually scored 1 more point)

    Titans won four more games than Bucs. Man you guys are correct Jameis and the passing game must have been the reason we only won 5 games last year, especially based upon all of the FACTS above.


  70. ndog Says:

    Oh yeah 2 more for ya:

    Titans ranked 23rd in passing offense
    Bucs ranked 4 in passing offense

    Titans ranked 19th in FG % made
    Bucs ranked 28th in FG % made

    Yep it must have been the QB’s fault we lost all those games with all those great aspects of the team around him.

  71. aceinthehole Says:

    Man, is this fake news. If you actually read the ESPN article, the question was whether they would take Mariota or Jameis. Most of those questioned preferred Mariota coming out. Several still preferred Mariota because they claim that the “system” he has been in has hindered his progress. But a couple of the guys who preferred Mariota are VERY worried about his injuries referring to him as “brittle.” The conclusion of the article is that Jameis AND Mariota are below Wentz, Watson and Goff in terms of their desirability. Give those three guys one more year to come back to earth and we shall see.

    BTW, trollmax-go post on the Patriots board.

  72. DB55 Says:

    So rather than talking about signing kelvin Benjamin and Davonte Freeman you’re talking about wanting to get Jameis suspended again, okay! And how awful he is, okay! If I were jameis or Evans I know I’d been super thrilled to play for this team and would most definitely re-sign with a hometown discount! Go Bucs!

  73. Patrick in VA Says:

    I think Joe pretty well captured all that there is to say, really… Until he actually wins anything, he’s not leading anything worth mentioning. His big selling point was his ability to put the team on his back and carry them to wins. Thus far, we haven’t seen that. The stats are pretty and he’s the best QB we’ve had in a while, but we’re kidding ourselves to think about him as anything more than an average QB until he’s shown that he actually is anything more than an average QB.

  74. Tony from Los Angeles Says:

    Jameis just turned 24.
    He has improved statistically in each season.
    He needs to be humbled – which i think he has been.
    He needs to have the training wheels taken off completely and and allowed to run full throttle this season.
    Then we will see what he’s made of.

    If the Bucs want him to improve greatly, they will do 2 things:
    Fix the offensive line
    Fix the defensive line

    More time to throw and less pressure equals better results.
    Better running game due to better blocking equals better down and distances and less one-dimensional play calling.
    A better defensive line means less points scored by the opposition and more time on the field for Jameis and his offense.

    It is not rocket science…


  75. ndog Says:

    So Patrick you just don’t care that we had the 32nd ranked defense, the 23rd ranked rushing attack and the 28th ranked FG% he is supposed to win regardless of anything around him? Is that what you are actually on here saying right now?

  76. tmaxcon Says:


    remember fine sir that the jameis haters could careless about wins as long as the team is filled with choirboy arse kissing losers like cancer93… again they rather lose than hold the organization accountable for not being able to manage players with personality or talent; only choirboys that toe the company fit the profile thus 16 years without a meaningful win.

  77. JJBucFan Says:

    Dusthy I have been saying this for 3 years. I have brought up in the past that there is no way that Koetter even watched Jameis at FSU. He runs no crossing routes, no sprint outs (planned) for Jameis and worst of all no QB sneaks which he was good at FSU. Cuter does realize that Jameis is 6’5 235 right? This guy is setting JW up for failure. The entire last 2 years is on Koetter and Smith, IMO. Neither of these guys know how to use the talent that they have. I don’t blame Licht or the Glazers as much as some, I think that Dirk and S*itty have no idea how adjust neither a game plan nor a scheme to fit players. S*itty just sits there in that damn zone and lets people pick us apart and control the clock because he is afraid of our corners and having no pass rush. Try something different D-Bag what your doing isn’t working. Who cares if we lose by 5 or 20, maybe JW can keep us in games with the offense. Our own defense is taking the ball out of his hands. If Baker is a thief for stealing the Glazers money, then Dirk and S*itty are like 2 Bernie Madoffs compared to him.

  78. Patrick in VA Says:

    @ndog – absolutely not. I’m not saying anything based on any rankings or stats. I’m saying that simply looking at the way that the offense looked on the field this year, it wasn’t good. He didn’t lift the offense up and cause them to be better. That’s what was sold to us. If he went out there and we lost 45-47 every game because he just couldn’t keep up with the points that the other team was stacking up, I’d buy it. But the one side of the field that he was the field general of all season often looked inept and limp-wristed, despite all of the toys brought in specifically to make his job easier.

  79. Dooshlarue Says:

    We just need MORE weapons for Winston right?

  80. tmaxcon Says:

    Dooshlarue Says:
    February 21st, 2018 at 2:05 pm

    We just need MORE weapons for Winston right?

    we would not be taling about jameis and wins if the PANSY ARSE defense led by cancer93 did not blow every lead handed to them with their soft play

  81. Lord Cornelius Says:


    Jameis has set a bunch of records too relative to his age and experience. The point is that pinning so much of the W:L record on QBs is obviously dumb as hell; considering a HOF QB is 1-3 the last 4 years in winning seasons vs losing seasons. Obviously the team / SOS / and a bunch of other sh1t matters. Just look at all the stats laid out by NDog as obvious advantages to playing for the Titans vs us.

    He needs to cut down the fumbling which seems a bit flukey considering he’s had years with barely any.

    Everything else is still on upward trajectory through 3 years despite the injury last year (Completion % / YPA / TD:INT ratio/etc – all been going up each year and all healthy top 12ish numbers typically).

    Mariota regressed in like every category despite having much more of a line/run game/defense. That’s why this article is absolutely rediculous

  82. DB55 Says:


    Will Jameis continue to be a self-anointed leader who doesn’t lead (a true team leader would have kicked Swaggy Baker squarely in the balls the moment the lazy slob finished himself on a palm tree)? Or will Jameis finally be able to prove he can put a team on his back
    I have issues with this entire paragraph.

    Self anointed leader that doesn’t lead – lol sounds like “someone” we know and love.

    leader would have kicked Swaggy Baker squarely in the balls – I thought Kwon AND Jameis did this while “someone” was eating ice cream in their locker.

    Jameis finally be able to prove he can put a team on his back – didn’t he put the team on his back against NE, Buff, Carolina, Only to have his defense give up game winning TDs and or his kicker miss kicks? Against NO and another team didn’t he ignore koetters play call and tossed TDs to godwin and Brate? Let’s not forget the 22 yard scramble against ATL his rookie year.

    This town genuinely deserves to be the worst football town in the history of loser towns. Talk about looking a gift horse in the mouth. Smh.

  83. SteveK Says:

    Lord Corn,

    Agree with that sentiment.

    Makes me wish Licht went to Tennessee and we kept Jon robinson. I would’ve love to have Jack conklin on our team vs VernonHeargraves.

  84. USFBUC Says:

    @Doosh – nobody is saying that, Winston has he WRs now the team needs a RB who isn’t like the worst RB in yard per carry in the NFL. And the team needs to not have the worst defense in the NFL.

    If the Bucs have the worst ground game, worst defense, and terrible kicking again next season it won’t matter who the QB is of the team, and I suspect you won’t have to worry about Winston any more either because he will go to a team that wants to win.

  85. tmaxcon Says:


    they rip the young kids kwon and jameis for lack of leadership yet they give the highest paid veteran captain a free pass for flat performances, disappearing acts and pre game speeches that are now used worldwide in emergency rooms for Viagra overdoses.

  86. DB55 Says:


    They just don’t get it. Logic would tell you that if you changed EVERYTHING from top to bottom EXCEPT one key piece then maybe it’s that key piece that’s causing the problem.

    New coaches, new gm, new offense, new defense, new uniforms. The ONLY constant is tutti frutti bubblegum ice cream pop aka rainbow sprinkles but wtf do we know.

    And it’s so obvious too! Losing games on the last plays of the game when the offense just shots his gap every single time BUT NOOOOOOOO everyone else is the problem. Lol what a fckn joke!!!!

  87. tmaxcon Says:


    wake me up when charges are filed and he is convicted. the accuser aka GOLD DIGGING SKANK lost the benefit of the doubt when she took advice from the attorney that represented the other LIAR who made false claims about jameis.

    the biggest concern you should have with all these claims being made without facts, evidence or witnesses years later and people are losing careers. the constitution used to matter Innocent until proven guilty used to matter but the PC losers and pansy arse libtards have rendered feelings more important than integrity.

  88. tmaxcon Says:


    you and I, plus some select others are Visionaries and see this team clearly…. the cancer93 nuthuggers and apologists are living in denial. We shall raise a glass and pray for their enlightenment. They know down deep we are correct and this team will never progress with captain blowout cancer93 wearing the C


  89. DB55 Says:


  90. StPeteBucsFan Says:


    That pretty much cuts to the chase….win and things are fine.,,lose and they suck.

    And I think you’re correct, nothing anybody says will change that.

  91. Joe Says:

    Ouch Joe – can’t believe you are turning on your boy like this.

    Not turning on Jameis whatsoever. Just reading the tea leaves from Bucs fans in general.

    BTW Vinny had 35 INTs his 2nd year in the league. Winston didn’t throw that many in his 1st and 2nd years combined starting all 32 games.

    Again, Joe was just going by win-loss records alone.

  92. grafikdetail Says:

    hard to win games when your OC doesn’t play to his QB & playmakers strengths or make any adjustments along with the DC doing the same & defense being even more inept… 5 or 6 games Winston put his team in winning position only to have the defense let the opposing team march right down the field and win the game in the final minutes… or the kicker can’t make a simple field goal

  93. Bucsfanman Says:

    ALL that matters in this game are W’s, that’s it! Fair or not, it’s a team game and JW is its leader.
    You can say all you want, if we don’t start winning games, Jameis is fair game.

  94. DB55 Says:

    Despite Jameis setting NFL passing records and finishing the past season on fire in December

  95. DB55 Says:

    Bring on the Buckner article I got somethings to say. I’m still Lmao

  96. Bucsfanman Says:

    ^^^Buckner article? I’ve been in meetings all day, enlighten me.

  97. DBS Says:

    Wake up Ndog. Every QB in the NFL with worse receivers than JW has can get it in. They do it with a jump ball, back shoulder or run it themselves. Not all teams are constantly using backs to get it in. JW has a problem in the Red Zone with those missing the receivers.

  98. Sierra048 Says:

    LOL at all the Winston nut gobblers. Hope he does leave for another team. Bye Bye!

  99. DB55 Says:


    Patience young grasshopper patience. You’ll be back to Chis Simms soon enough.

  100. Rod Munch Says:

    If Jameis just ignores Dirk like he did at the end of the NO game and decides he’s playing for TDs as opposed to Dirk playing for FGs, then all is fine. Anywho it’s hilarious to see the dolts who want to chase out the only franchise QB in the Bucs history out of town because they think Jameis leading the team repeatedly to 4th quarter leads isn’t good enough, Jameis needs to go play DE as well and protect those 4th quarter leads. If you’re a Jameis hater at this point then you really should do us all a favor and blow your life savings on a trip to North Korea and then take a poster from your hotel room, if you’re caught just say the midge in Pyongyang said you could have it.

  101. JimmyJack Says:

    No matter your opinion I believe if you don’t think Winston doesn’t need to up his game you must not be paying attention. IMO it’s three main thing.

    1) Slow starts. For three seasons Winston starts games slow and digs a hole for the game. It keeps our D on the field too much and makes us a bad team in general.

    2) Redzone. You can point to a couple of things here and Winston is one of them. He just flat out misses too many throws.

    3) Turnover. If he get get the first two problems solved this is less of an issue.

    First and foremost Winston has to be accountable in these areas. But that’s not to say the team around him doesn’t need to do more. Yes, we need more production from our backfield.

    Coaching needs to step up too. Winston himself ran for 6(I think) TD under prior coaching. It made our redzone offense better. Part of the reason Dirks redzone offense blows is because he has taken Winston’s legs away. This needs to be corrected. This is Dirks team and he needs to be accountable for not using a proven weapon(Winston’s legs) to score in the redzone.

    Another problem I have with Dirks offense is that he has proven incapable of converting third and short. Good offenses don’t lose possession because of one yard. Our QB is our best player here and short yardage inability is hurting him.

    We also suck in the one minute offense. We are simply unprepared for multiple end game situations.

    This is why you here fans crying about how it is a team game. Winston can improve all he wants but he needs th3 players surrounding him and the coaching to match it.

    This team was built to win with offense. The problem is Winston, the problem is RB the problem is coaching and the problem is Oline and the problem is indiscipline.

  102. GhostofSchiano Says:

    DB55 Says: leader would have kicked Swaggy Baker squarely in the balls – I thought Kwon AND Jameis did this while “someone” was eating ice cream in their locker.

    Agreed, Sapp in that situation, I can only imagine.

    By the way, does he eat Breyers, Bluebell, or Ben & Jerrys? Cup or cone?

  103. DB55 Says:

    By the way, does he eat Breyers, Bluebell, or Ben & Jerrys? Cup or cone?
    Soft serve only 🍦

  104. Pryda ...sec147 Says:

    If Jameis struggles this year I’m firing Koetter

  105. Chris Says:

    Chris Simms and Jameis both have the same amount of playoff wins. You college homers pretending to be NFL fans kill me. Give Jameis all theleeway you can and roast everyone else. Got news for you, he and everyone on this team are losers untill proven otherwise. TMax, you’re an idiot. Jameis greatest Buc…..ha ha ha laughable. The guys who came in and said we’re through being laughinstocks and turned this team into something respectable, they’re the greatest Bucs, this guy….is a head case…questionable character turnover machine, and NFL career loser unti proved different. Hold the w-l record against him like all the other Buc qbs you’ve roasted before.

  106. Chris Says:

    Tired of yhe moderation on this site, been here for years, got Tmax ssying vile crap, doesn’t get moderated…..Im out…msybe join 87 on permanent leave of this site

  107. Buc4life Says:

    Jameis is just fine…still progressing as a young qb setting records while playing with a bad team…anyone who thinks a qb can win by himself is clueless…Bucs need to focus on the lines…Jameis is one of the few brightspots on this team

  108. TSyce Says:

    First off I HAVE NOT GIVEN UP ON HE. He’s shown too much upside. That being said, I’m very concerned. He CONTINUES to do dumb s*** with the ball. Hes not very smart with decision making and his to,s come in CHUNKS, 3-4 AT a time.. gotta be smarter. Seems like Joe is one of the blind that can’t see it for what it is. Yes he’s good alot of times but he’s bad far too often

  109. tmaxcon Says:


    I speak the truth not vile and i am moderated frequently…. grow a pair snowflake

  110. Alanbucsfan Says:

    These are the same idiot executives that botched the handling of the National Anthem protests… Jameis is the future hope of Bucs.. draft and sign some effective linemen and playoffs will happen

  111. BucEmUp Says:

    This is why I would trade our first rounder for Nick Foles, then trade whichever QB doesn’t win the job at the end of training camp and keep fitzpatrick as the backup

  112. JimmyJack Says:

    BucEm up…..So you would trade our first round to start a QB controversy on a team that has its HC on the block and no established identity.

    Then when Jamie’s wins the job you would trade Foles for probably a fourth rounder next year?

    Not even sure why I responded but I fully endorse your idea.

  113. BrianBucs Says:

    If it turns out that Jameis really did grab that woman’s crotch like he is accused of doing, and he lied to the Bucs about what really happened, they should release him immediately . Im greatly hoping that wont be the case, but it will be the right thing to do

  114. Nole4JabooANDdBucs Says:

    I hear violin music, I am not going to waste my time defending Jameis’s abilities, achievements, potential…etc…I will let his play do that if not in Tampa some place else…


  115. NFLNut Says:

    ^ Exactly

  116. NFLNut Says:

    Any NFL “suit” that would pick Mariota over Jameis should be eliminated from ever being considered for a GM position … Marcus threw more picks than TDs … he and DeShone Kizer did that … what a joke.

  117. NFLNut Says:


    BucEmUp … the #7 pick for Nick Foles?


    Foles is worth MAYBE a 4th rounder … maybe.

    BucEmUp, of you really want to trade the #7 pick for a QB you could EASILY get Kirk Cousins (who is far superior to Nick Foles) AND the Redskins #13 pick; just stupidly tell the Redskins to franchise Kirk and then make that trade … HOW STUPID … if Licht did that he would be fired on the spot and black-balled from the NFL for life.

    I mean, seriously, did you just lose your mind? If you really think the Bucs need a new QB you could just sign one and KEEP the #7 pick … there are multiple free agent QBs that are superior to Nick Foles who you can sign without trading the pick such as Cousins, Bradford (the guy Foles was traded for) and some would put Tyrod, Keenum and Bridgewater in that category.

    And, if your hell bent on just getting rid of the #7 pick like a nutcase, why not get an actuall star QB like Philip Rivers, as the Chargers would likely give you a 2nd rounder along with Rivers for the #7 overall and Rivers is infinitely better than Nick Foles!



  118. Rod Munch Says:

    Chris, Trent Dilfer has more Super Bowl rings than Dan Marino – so I guess that means it’s Dilfer that should be in the HOF, right? Maybe think before you bore people with your low IQ opinions.

  119. Dan Says:

    Not as good as 2010 Josh. Enough said.

  120. passthebuc Says:

    Cannot lose what you never had