Too Much Time For Jameis?

February 8th, 2018

People lie.

Stat gurus misinterpret. Even official NFL data compiled by humans can be subjective. See QB hits, for example.

But the tracking technology in NFL footballs and uniforms tells the truth.

Joe adores the official NextGen data, though they don’t provide anyone with which to argue, so it is less fun than the other stuff.

Anyway, one metric tracked is “Time To Throw.” Officially, it’s the “average amount of time elapsed from the time of snap to throw on every pass attempt for a passer (sacks excluded).”

Based on the data of his peers, America’s Quarterback, Jameis Winston, had plenty of time to throw this season, per the definition above. Jameis had the 10th-most time in the NFL at 2.77 seconds per pass attempt. But a deeper look at the numbers made Joe take pause.

The QBs with more time than Jameis? Here they are in order most-time-to-least: DeShaun Watson, Russell Wilson, Tyrod Taylor, Brett Hundley, Jared Goff, Jacoby Brissett, DeShone Kizer, Dak Prescott, Case Keenum,

That’s not exactly an all-star bunch of QBs, and many of them are mobile and young.

So why is Jameis in with that group? Slow release? Deeper-than-most drops? Success extending plays? Not recognizing receivers early enough? Excellent pass blocking? Clearly it’s a combination of all those things.

Regardless, the hard numbers should at least quiet (a little) the crowd that thinks Donovan Smith and the Bucs’ offensive line has Jameis under siege more than most QBs.

84 Responses to “Too Much Time For Jameis?”

  1. LakeLand Says:

    I mention this exact same stat on here.

  2. LakeLand Says:

    Jameis Winston had more time to throw than the other QBs in the NFC South.

  3. Mike Evans GOAT Says:

    This stat seems misleading. It doesn’t pass the “eye test”. What I’m thinking is some of it is from the lack of quick passing game. All of our routes are long developing

  4. Drew Says:

    I am extremely proud to be part of the hardware design team that captures the data for NextGen stats.

  5. derrickbrooksforGM Says:

    He rarely checks down that’s why he sits there for so damn long waiting for that damn tiny impossible window to try to thread a pass into triple coverage. I honestly think this guy doesn’t watch enough tape, or if he does it doesn’t matter because if the primary target is #13 he’s gonna throw to #13. I think his QB coach isn’t very good.

  6. Lord Cornelius Says:

    I’m surprised to see Goff in the list. Thought they ran more of a quick passing offense but they also do a lot of play action.

    It’s a combo of things. We run a deep drop passing offense without a lot of quick reads and quick passes and a lot of longer developing routes at times. I’d say that’s factor #1. After that it’s likely on Winston wanting to keep plays alive too long at times

  7. GhostofTedford Says:

    20 points per game average. Nuff said.

  8. LakeLand Says:

    He need more time in the pocket than the other NFC South QBs.

    He has to wait for Mike Evans to get 20 yards up field

    He has to wait for DJAX get open 30 yards upfield

  9. LakeLand Says:

    No TE screens

    No WR screens (unless it’s Hump)

    A few passes a game to the RBs

  10. Lord Cornelius Says:

    This also doesn’t mean he’s had more time to throw than other QBs. This isn’t a “average snap to getting pressured” stat. That’d be what you want to accurately judge how much help he gets from the O-line vs other QBs.

    For example – Brady may throw a pass in 1.2 seconds on a screen; but that has nothing to do with the O-line really – in terms of whether or not they blocked well on the play and gave him a good pocket because the ball was out so fast

  11. oar Says:

    I’m so tired of losin’, I’ve got nothing to do
    And all day to do it
    So, I go out cruisin’, but I’ve no place to go
    And all night to get there
    Is it any wonder I’m not a criminal?
    Is it any wonder I’m not in jail?

    Is it any wonder I’ve got too much time on my hands?
    Ticking away with my sanity
    I’ve got too much time on my hands
    It’s hard to believe such a calamity
    I’ve got too much time on my hands
    And it’s ticking away – ticking away from me

  12. 813bucboi Says:

    813bucboi Says:
    February 6th, 2018 at 3:30 pm
    im keeping track of all the excuses or “reasons” why we finished 5-11
    Hard Knocks
    No Bye Week
    Lack of talent
    Dirks 2nd year
    Lack of Pass Rush
    Lack of Run Game
    Winston is still young
    and now its ” Lack of execution”…….keep em coming…..maybe one day we’ll hold people accountable…..

    well, we can toss the “oline” excuse out the window……but some want to add GMC’s “tweak’s” and noah spence to the list of excuses…..

    #NOEXCUSESIN2018!!!!!….GO BUCS!!!!

  13. 813bucboi Says:

    those long developing plays…..

    #NOEXCUSESIN2018!!!!!….GO BUCS!!!!

  14. BrianBucs Says:

    It says more about offensive design than it does about Jameis. Just way too many slow developing plays

  15. webster Says:

    This stat has everything to do with extending plays period. I mean if it excludes sacks then how acurate can it be? Again, this is the type of stat that makes front offices believe their oline is good despite what the film says. You would never see a parcells taking a stat geek’s word over years of his ability to evaluate film. Again, a hat tip to jameis’ ability to extend plays.

  16. Joeypoppems Says:

    We can hate Donovan Smith all we want. Fact is he isnt going anywhere yet. Which means, depending on the plan with Marpet, LG is the biggest hole on the OL. If Marpet is to move back to RG then Center will become the biggest hole

  17. LakeLand Says:

    NFC South IAY ( Intended Air Yardage)

    Drew Brees 7.1

    Cam Newton 8.8

    Matt Ryan 9.0

    Jameis Winston 10.7

  18. StPeteBucsFan Says:


    Lot’s of posters agree with you…blame the coaches….some blame Jameis…IMHO it was probably a combo of the two.

    However I’d love to see the nextgen stats broken down by quarters of the season.

    Just an eyeball observation. The final quarter of the season either Jameis or Koetter or both together seemed to be getting. Jameis was getting the ball out a lot quicker hitting slants and some of the quicker patterns. They were even getting the ball to DJAX a lot quicker and relying on his YAC.

    I think…perhaps it’s just the optimist in me and I want to believe…that #3 is a work in progress. I think he continues to learn. Koetter is still learning how to use his talents most effectively and Jameis is beginning to realize the quicker he gets the ball out the better it is for everybody.

    Of course Brady is a master at this..probably why he’s the greatest of all time.

  19. Kobe Faker's Girl Says:

    “How much will tickets cost when Jaboo gets 30 mill per year…and we are still 4-12?”

    Kandy Faker

    “My baby boy needs new shoes”

    Jaboo Winston

  20. ben Says:

    Mr.Winston has such a ..s l o w ..release. So can coaching help with that or are nothing can be done about slow release or not being very accurate ??

  21. LakeLand Says:

    The New Orleans Saints O-Line graded out as the 2nd best in the NFL.This despite starting a rookie RT and multiple injuries. Could it be that that playcalling had some effect on the results.

    Drew Brees threw 179 passes to his RBs
    They attempted 536 passes
    They ran the ball 444 times
    They had an balanced offense
    The offense focus more on their RBS
    Mostly high percentage plays

  22. Ndog Says:

    BrianBucs Says:
    February 8th, 2018 at 3:43 pm
    It says more about offensive design than it does about Jameis. Just way too many slow developing plays

    Nailed It!!!!!

  23. AlteredEgo Says:

    Eli and Tom didn’t need much time to shred the Bucs….they just stepped up into the pocket and hit the WR in stride….in this context time is misleading

  24. Mike Johnson Says:

    Again..its the coaching, the play calling. Koetter wants to bomb Pearl Harbor all the time. A few quick hitters with our speed once in a while might….

  25. Lord Cornelius Says:

    What happened to Kobe Faker’s son? How big is the Kober Faker family / entourage?

  26. Lord Cornelius Says:

    @Lakeland basically nailing a bunch of points right now.

    Run game. More short passes.

    Everyone can see it except for those in charge apparently lol.

    Let’s extend Doug Martin! Jason Licht can make another video and show Martin highlights from 2015 wee!

  27. AlteredEgo Says:

    It is not “slow developing routes”… is slow coverage processing and slow decision making by Jameis….when he sees it ,it is too late….the top QB’s see the play developing and throw to the spot

  28. Alaskan Abdominal Snowman Says:

    I see Jameis getting pressured and buying time A LOT.
    Looking at the other names on the list I would say that is the biggest determining factor here.

  29. CreamsicleBananaHammock Says:

    The QBs with more time than Jameis? Here they are in order most-time-to-least: DeShaun Watson, Russell Wilson, Tyrod Taylor, Brett Hundley, Jared Goff, Jacoby Brissett, DeShone Kizer, Dak Prescott, Case Keenum,

    I think this is pretty easily explainable if you look at these names….these are almost all guys who scramble around and buy time. If I’m reading the stat right it’s time from snap to throw, no time in the pocket. Other than Keenum, who has arguably the best line in the league, the others are guys who have to buy time with their legs

  30. LifeOfABucFan Says:

    I’ve seen Jameis with more than enough time to order a pizza and grope an Uber driver or two..just sayin’

  31. SteveK Says:

    813bucboi Says:
    February 8th, 2018 at 3:42 pm
    813bucboi Says:
    February 6th, 2018 at 3:30 pm
    im keeping track of all the excuses or “reasons” why we finished 5-11
    Hard Knocks
    No Bye Week
    Lack of talent
    Dirks 2nd year
    Lack of Pass Rush
    Lack of Run Game
    Winston is still young
    and now its ” Lack of execution”…….keep em coming…..maybe one day we’ll hold people accountable…..

    well, we can toss the “oline” excuse out the window……but some want to add GMC’s “tweak’s” and noah spence to the list of excuses…..

    #NOEXCUSESIN2018!!!!!….GO BUCS!!!!

    Post of the day. 813 BucBoi!
    Bravo, you win today!

  32. LakeLand Says:

    Lorn Corn

    Sean Payton seen the light, after the Saints started the season 0-2. He benched the old man ( Adrian Peterson) and went with the rookie ( Alvin Kamara). The Saints went on a 8 game winning streak. The old man started whining about playing time, so Payton sent him packing. Dirk Koetter refused to make changes. Sean Payton went with the players that gave his team the best chances to win.

  33. SteveK Says:

    We need to win ball games. The law of averages is on our side.

    It is difficult to be this bad in the NFL for this long.

    We are nipping on Cleveland’s heals.

    Just wait Bucs Fans, if/when the Browns get it together, we are taking over as the official “factory of sadness”.

  34. Not there yet Says:

    Niners just signed Jimmy G to a 5yr 137 mil contact, Winston is probably find a happy dance right now with the way the market has just been set for quarterbacks, dude probably going to try and set the league on fire this year if he has a higher ceiling this is the time to get it regardless of the o line or who’s at running back it’s time to get it, doesn’t everyone seem to step it up around contact extension time

  35. darin Says:

    People are blaming it on a slow release? Take a look at a fast and slow release time. We are talking 2.77 seconds here. I havnt seen the stats on it but my guess is he takes the most 7 step drops in the league. Its definitely a product of the offense. Dirk doesnt like the quick passing game. He prefers the slow developing routes. I personally dont but if they win i could care less. I just think djax and evans could be great at yac if they draw it up better. Well the titans have a new offense so tampas will be the most predictable in the league by itself unless dirk changes some things. I hope, i hope. A better running game is going to be the difference. Hope it happens cuz smitty needs less time of defensive possession for success.

  36. Pickgrin Says:

    There’s a big difference between having 2-3 seconds to sit comfortably in the pocket – maybe slide one step forward and throw cleanly with solid positioning and mechanics – vs having just 1.8 seconds before you have to bail out of the pocket – run 3 steps sideways and throw somewhat off balance before you even get to 3 seconds because there’s another dude bearing down on you from the opposite direction.

    The later is what Winston had to deal with way too often the last couple of years.

    Thankfully he’s good at avoiding pressure and buying time. It somewhat covers up for the fact that the Oline is not very good at pass protection

    All 2.77 seconds are not created equal…

  37. gambelero Says:

    You guys run a great website, but you’re not math majors. If you take Cornelius’s suggested stat, time till throw or force from the pocket (throwing out planned roll outs and bootlegs), you’d have a very tight standard deviation, maybe as low as .2 or .3 of a second. With the stat you’re referring to, the average is blown up by all of Jameis’s scrambles and step-ups. A play where a quarterback steps up, runs around for 8 seconds and then throws blows the variance off the top of the NFL stat. That’s why the list is dominated by scramblers, Watson, Kizer, Hundley, Wilson.

    I know you think the oline was pretty good or at least average, but that’s not what I saw. Jameis was running for his life and way too often couldn’t even set up before he was under pressure. The one thing I took away from the Super Bowl was just how good the Eagles oline play was. There were a number of times where Foles had literally all day to stand in the pocket. The run blocking was just as good. If you look at Newton’s, Carr’s, Luck’s, Prescott’s one great year, compared to their other years, it was great (not average, not pretty good) oline play that made that difference. Everybody is gushing over McVey and what he did with Goff, Gurley and the Rams, but they also got a first team All-Pro left tackle in free agency. When was the last time that happend? Teams just don’t let offensive tackles, particularly left tackles, go in free agency.

    I’m with Nut, Pickgren, Cornelius and a few others. Fix the trenches; don’t settle for an average oline (which I don’t think our oline was); find an edge rusher(s), but get a studly dtackle also; and plug and play for running backs. The only skill player I’d invest heavily in this year is a DB like Fitzpatrick or something similar in free agency.

  38. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    Speaking for Pablo

    “With Haboo….it’s all due to his elongated arc…..other QBs have stubby little arcs with often premature releases”

  39. Kobe Faker's Girl Says:

    Lorn Corn,

    Kobe gave up on the Bucs and gave me the obama phone to post in his place

    Kobe was tired of posting thought provoking inside information and his FreeOJStocker movement came up futile and unproductive

    Kobe wasted enough valuable time and is back fulltime panhandling. You should see him at Lakeland exit off of I4 everyday

    Its thursday, so he has his “I need a drink, Im a Bucs Fan” card board sign

    LC, Kobe always says nice things about but very naive

    Kandy Faker

  40. Doctor Stroud Says:

    This has been a classic problem for Bucs’ QBs: in the immortal words of Colt McCoy on Gruden QB Camp, they “need to get rid of the dang ball!”

    Later, Gruden wondered: “You’re a hard guy to understand. You got that Texas yodel. You yodel?”

  41. gambelero Says:

    Okay. So, Lakeland said what I said–much more parsimoniously–and I missed it. Credit where credit is due.

  42. Defense Rules Says:

    @Lakeland … “Jameis Winston had more time to throw than the other QBs in the NFC South.” His WRs & TEs are also just as good as any of the other NFC South teams have. His OLine seems to pass block vey well (from what Joe & others keep saying).

    So, if he’s got the TIME, and the RECEIVERS, and the PASS PROTECTION … what’s the problem? Why is this team scoring less than 20 pts a game when you subtract what our defense scored? Is it Jameis fault? Is it the coaches fault (play selection, design, etc)? Is it the receivers’ fault? Is it that this team needs someone to light a fire underneath them so they don’t pee away three-quarters before they decide to play football? And the answer is … Answer E – ALL OF THE ABOVE. (BTW Joe, that is a neat toy).

  43. tnew Says:

    I hear all the time how Winton doesn’t take his check downs. Most times they are staying into help block and release way later in the progression. Watch the film and watch the timing of the release. Koetter runs a slow developing offense that often requires the RB’s to stay in to block longer. Also, according to Ronde, who should know, Koetter’s offense does not include hot reads to get the ball out fast due to pressure. RPO’s, which are a staple of most modern offenses and get the ball out quickly, is not a feature in Koetter’s offense. The Bucs very rarely use them..

  44. Kobe Faker's Girl Says:

    What was our longest pass play?

    10 yard slant pattern to Godwin for 75 yards vs carolina

    Jameis will be fantastic in the west coast, quick strike and uptempo passing attack

    we need to wait for 2019 for that to happen

    Kandy Faker

  45. LakeLand Says:


    We’re on the same page

  46. Lamarcus Says:

    I’ll take longer to throw too to keep that sorry defense off the field.

  47. Drew Says:

    The slow release is due to his baseball pitching mechanics. This will be hard to break due to how his mind processes the 2 distinctly different deliveries.

  48. 813bucboi Says:

    SteveK Says:
    February 8th, 2018 at 4:27 pm
    We need to win ball games.



    #NOEXCUSESIN2018!!!!!…GO BUCS!!!!!

  49. LakeLand Says:

    Defense Rules

    Dirk Koetter is the problem

    He don’t know how to use his weapons
    Charles Sims was only target 47 times and he had only 21 carries
    O.J Howard was only target 39 times
    Chris Godwin was only target 55 times ( mostly the final 3 games)
    Peyton Barber only had 108 carries
    Jacquizz Rodgers was only target 11 times
    Allan Cross only 6 targets
    Mike Evans 136 targets
    Desean Jackson 90 targets
    Adam Humphries 83 targets
    Cam Brate 77 targets

    It’s ridiculous

  50. LifeOfABucFan Says:

    @ not there yet..

    For Jameis to get paid what Jimmy G got today, he needs to win games and stay away from off the field issues..I still have my doubts on him, to be honest..

  51. LakeLand Says:

    Everyone and their mother knows that the Bucs love going to their WRs. I don’t get the reason behind drafting O.J.Howard with the 19th pick if the draft.

  52. LakeLand Says:

    **19th pick of the draft**

  53. NFLNut Says:

    ALL the QBs on that list other than Goff are very good “play-extenders” … this is a meaningless stat imho.

  54. Kobe Faker's Girl Says:


    Kobe thought his FreeOJStocker Movement finally came to fruition when Klueless finally went to OJ Stocker for 6 out of 6 targets, 2 tds and over 100 yards.

    Kobe thought from that game vs Buff, our offense will go thru our 2 best route running Yac wrs, OJ and Godwin

    ……BUT NADA

    Kandy Faker

  55. 813bucboi Says:

    DR SAYS: Why is this team scoring less than 20 pts a game when you subtract what our defense scored?

    its dirk….he calls the plays…..he creates the game plan……

    #NOEXCUSESIN2018!!!!!….GO BUCS!!!!!

  56. JimmyJack Says:

    This stat is why I believe those who say our offensive line(talent) is to blame are wrong and those who say playcalling(coaching) is to blame are right.

    Joe I do agree with you When you say it’s uneducated to call out playcalling. I don’t question playcalling. But I do question gameplanning. Two totally different things and the reason why Dirk was a fine OC and a crappy HC.

    Even when his team had a 9-7 record it was fueled from the defense over performing, not Dirks offense. Now I would love to give Dirk some credit for both sides of the ball but he openly admitted and was reported on this site saying he doesn’t like to meddle with the defensive side of the ball.

    Tampa basically has two coordinators coaching half of the team and no true HC is my opinion.

  57. bigblock690 Says:

    The reason those guys are on here is they have shorter throws plus they run a lot of boot leg action

  58. BucEmUp Says:

    Jameis has always had a slow release. From the point in time he decides where his open man is to the time in which the ball leaves his hand is too much. His throwing motion is HUGE and pretty slow. His rookie year I didn’t like his footwork and he has improved with that. Now my biggest dislike about his play is his throwing motion and speed.

    I would like to see the emotion maybe shortened up a little bit with a quicker release. That slow motion is also something that good corners and safety lick their chops at. If there is one thing that Jameis has shown is that he will keep improving.

    After his benching to injury or whatever it was, it was very clear that the game slowed down for him. He was calm, more accurate, and looked confident.

    My issue with this team and why I believe they are crap has absolutely nothing to do with the O-line, Dirjks playacting or our quarterback and playmakers. Two things that will make this team a contender in our division. Get a bad azz RB (I was wrong about Doug Martin) and GET A DC THAT DOESNT PLAY HIS DBS SO FAR BACK THAT THEY CANT TALK TRASH WITHOUT SCREAMING FROM 12 YARDS AWAY.

    They do need pass rush help but that is irrelevant until the scheme is corrected.

  59. BuccaneEric75 Says:

    I like the stat, but it is misleading. I’d like to see it broken up by 3,5 and 7 step drops. I’m also pretty confident that guys like Drew Brees, who get the ball out of thier hands in 2-3 seconds could take 5 and still get the pass off without getting sacked, so what does this stat even prove?

  60. BuccaneEric75 Says:

    I’d rather see an OL stat that shows what percentage of pass plays an OLman gets beat and how long it took on average and on what type of dropback the play called for.

  61. JimmyJack Says:

    Eric75…..Your right the stat is misleading. With most stats in football it’s basically meaningless.

    Football is purely a matchup driven league. You can have the best stat getting WR or RB in the league and you can throw it out the window on a week with a bad matchup. Teams don’t win in this league because they can put up stats in certain areas, they win because they can beat you in multiple ways and can adjust to different matchups.

    This stat is absolutely worthless when we played the Panthers and the Packers this year. In those games they were able to put pressure on our QB and gave him less time………..IMO we showed no ability to adjust to what they were doing and our offense bogged down and was force down into mistakes. Of course our defense couldn’t bail us out either because we decided this team needed DJax in stead of defensive help to get us winning. DJax is a nonfactor when your QB is getting mauled.

    This coach either figures it out this year or we’re going nowhere again.

  62. Tbbucs3 Says:

    In 2017, the Bucs were the 4th best passing offense in the NFL. 4th!! Thats thanks to your Quarterback, Jameis Winston. However the Bucs were 27th in rushing offense. So lets not sit here and act like its all Jameis’s fault because we are literally 1 running back away from being a DOMINATE offense. Yes, I mean DOMINATE. Last time I checked Jameis isnt responsible for the Bucs running game.

    And lets stop putting so much blame on DIrk Koetter too because we saw what Dirk can do with a decent running game in 2015. If anything, its more Jason Lichts fault for resigning Doug Martin and letting him staying another year while failing to see that hes washed up.

  63. Bobby M. Says:

    He holds the ball too long….with that comes fumbles. He led the league in fumbles last year and didn’t even play all 16 games.

  64. Ndog Says:

    AlteredEgo at leat your consistent, you’re wrong but consistent. I’ll give you that.

  65. Kevin Says:

    It was mostly the run-blocking that was bad. The pass blocking was fine.

  66. Defense Rules Says:

    @Bobby M … “He holds the ball too long….with that comes fumbles. He led the league in fumbles last year and didn’t even play all 16 games.” Interesting observation Bobby. Jameis got sacked 33 times & fumbled 15 times. Tyrod Taylor (Bills) got sacked 46 times but only fumbled 4 times. A case could probably be made that there’s a relationship between sacks & how long a QB holds the ball. But I’m not so sure a relationship exists between fumbling & how long a QB holds the ball. Ball security is ball security. Being laser-focused on ‘making a play’ is one thing. Being lackadaisical in terms of ball security is quite another. Jameis has to learn how to protect the football better.

  67. Chrisco4Bucs Says:

    Where’s the Ira podcast? It’s a must listen, y’all do a hell of a job

  68. LakeLand Says:

    New Orleans target Alvin Kamara 100 times

    Carolina target Christian McCaffrey 113 times

    Both are rookies

    The QB need to get the ball to his RBs

    All about playcalling

  69. JimmyJack Says:

    Lakeland…….Doug MARtin and Sims combined for 144 targets in 2015. Since then(since Dirk has been HC) it has been less then half that.

    Same playcaller…….The difference IMO is game planning and different attack plans. Just look at the fact that in 2015 we were an offense that primarily ran out of pro formation. Dirk changed our formations and changed our gameplanning.

    Point is that it likely won’t matter who the play caller is. So long as Dirk is the HC the playcaller will be calling plays out of this one dimensional vertical downfield scheme Dirk has…….My hope is he changes his philosophy this year, but it’s unfounded hope.

  70. BucEmUo Says:

    Here is a fun fact, Jeff Fischer has NICK FOLES, Case Keenum, and Jared Goff on his roster with the rams. All three outstanding qbs this past season.

    Tell me again how bad coaching cannot ruin good talent!!!!!!!!!


  71. LakeLand Says:


    I should have worded it better, using game planning, formations instead of playcalling.

  72. JimmyJack Says:

    You go back and look to when Dirk was hired. Most of the fanbase was optimistic about it, probably even many of those who wanted L.Smith to stay. The assumption was that the offense we saw in 2015 was Dirks offense and was what we were getting.

    But we were all wrong. Dirks offense is a one dimensional offense. A pass catching back wasn’t drafted for him, he doesn’t know how to use one……..Sims was not drafted to be a predictable 3rd down pass option.

    Now we are left hoping this team can get a running game if they can get a stud back involved……I blame MARtin for sucking but those blaming the offensive Line may have a point……The running scheme is much different now that Dirk is here and that may be evidence that they are being asked to run a blocking scheme that they weren’t drafted to do.

    There’s good reason and evidence to believe that Dirks offense is getting the absolute least out of the players we have…….You can only hang your hat so long on having a #4 pass attack, especially when they can’t score efficiently. And for what it’s worth Winston puts up a ton of yards when the plays break down and he has to scramble and buy time. A lot of our great passing attack isn’t even by design.

    When an NFL team practices and prepares for an opponent most of what they work on is what they run in the first half. We haven’t figured out how to put up points in the first half and you have to poin5 a finger at the HC and his attack plan.

    We can’t score in the red zone……We’ll, what do long developing vertical plays do for you when it’s a goal-to-go situation? I blame the coach here. Yes, it’s just a guess, but my opinion is we prepare too much for this vertical nonsense and not enough for short yardage plays.

    Too many problem to fix with this team and they only seem to pile up under this coach.

  73. JimmyJack Says:

    ***END RANT***

  74. JimmyJack Says:

    And I know this team is not prepared when it comes to the 2-minute drill.

    Yeah, maybe give us the ball at the 25 with 2 minutes left and we would do just fine but give us a number of tougher situations(many which we saw this year) and we constantly run out of time or give ourselves a smaller window of opportunity then we’ll ran offenses get.

    I’ll hope we get better I guess.

  75. loggedontosay Says:


    I ask you again, how much money did you lose? You are hiding behind anonymity in cyber space. You have a very personal problem with Jameis Winston. I bet it has something to do with money lost on the Erica Kinsman lawsuit.

  76. Rod Munch Says:

    The time in pocket is because Dirk is one of the few people in football that run a deep ball offense and Winston is a genius as creating time in the pocket by keeping plays alive. If you had eyes you could just watch the game and you’d realize that pretty much immediately.

  77. Broy34WantsARushx2 Says:

    Joe- nfl update tweeted the Bucs will be in the running back market. Not the greatest source but anything will help calm the fan bass

  78. Joe Says:

    Joe- nfl update tweeted the Bucs will be in the running back market.

    Not sure where the update comes from but dang, anyone paying half-way attention to the Bucs knows this. LOL

  79. Tbbucs3 Says:


    Get the ball to what Running Back?

  80. denjoe Says:

    Dorks, play calling had alot to do with the line not looking great. Some times the plays were slow developing. Also too many drive killing penalties. We must get rid of the dummies!

  81. DavidBigBucsFan99 Says:

    This is all propaganda of the pro o line Joe. He always has an angle/agenda when he writes these things. Jut like last year when we all saw with our own eyes that our rbs were being met in the backfield constantly but he tried to shovel down our throats it was all the backs fault not the line. Forward to this year he still tries to say it wasn’t the lines fault for all the sacks fumbles or interceptions even though many of us have seen Jameis having dudes in his face as soon as he turns around or having to scramble around running for his life. It’s this Joes agenda that makes this article worthless, and of course the anti Jameis goats up here who constantly bring up any short comings he has. Release speed ben really? What are you a measurer of arm speed? Rothlesburger has as slow a release and there are top qbs with a release as long as his.

    Jmeis has his faults but if it wasn’t for his uncanny ability to escape free range rushers the sacks, turn overs and injuries would have been up and this worthless stat ould be much lower.

  82. BushidoEvans Says:

    Jameis creates a lot of that time often though

  83. jjbucfan Says:

    Please just WATCH the games so we can end this crap. Anyone who actually watched the game and understands the game knows that Jameis is the “x-factor” in whatever equation these idiots come up with. Jameis keeps plays alive-hence more time. He was running for his life most of the year and that accounts for numbers you see. WATCH the games. The O-Line sucked,THE END!! Sorry Joe cannot get on board with ya on this one. Also Koetter’s plays are so vanilla and long, no crossing, no “picks”, no motion to see if the defense is in man or zone, etc, that the defensive backs and linebackers barely have to move. EVERYONE is covered on EVERY play. Sorry for shouting, LOL

  84. Tom S. Says:

    What a silly stat. So every west coast QB or QB who takes less of a drop is going to have less “time to throw” because the release of the pass is out quicker. While a QB could be taking more 5 step drops, running for his life or more prone to extend a play (as Jameis is) and then you see the Joe’s of the world trying to connect the dots that Donavan Smith must be doing a good job.

    So is Joe trying to say that Russell Wilson has a great o-line? LOL