Jameis And His Offseason
January 8th, 2018
Problem with NFL offseason rules.
One of the biggest irritants for NFL coaches is no permitted workouts with their players in the offseason.
So until the Bucs report for offseason conditioning April 16, Bucs players, in particular America’s Quarterback, Pro Bowler Jameis Winston, cannot do anything in front of Bucs coach and playcaller Dirk Koetter.
Now aside from fumbles — no trivial issue — Jameis sure seemed to improve as a quarterback once he was healthy. Joe has repeatedly typed Joe has little faith in quarterbacks coach Mike Bajakian. And Joe has heard from ex-NFL quarterbacks they are not exactly fond of George Whitfield, who used to be Jameis’ personal QB coach.
So Joe knows who Jameis needs to call.
Former long-time top-shelf quarterback guru and Cardinals coach Bruce Arians called it quits last week, though he said he wanted to stay involved in the game somehow. He would be perfect to replace Chucky in those college quarterback sessions BSPN used to televise leading up to the draft.
Arians has worked with some of the greats of the game, from Peyton Manning to Ben Roethlisberger to Carson Palmer and Andrew Luck. One quarterback Arians used to work with when the signal-caller was an Alabama high school back star was Jameis.
In the weeks leading up to the Bucs-Cardinals games the past two years, Arians just gushed about Jameis. Kept referring to him by his nickname back home, “Jaboo.” Arians said Jameis was a legend in Birmingham, and when Jameis got word about that, it was the only time Joe has ever seen Jameis embarrassed.
We all know Jameis will go anywhere to work out. He flew to Texas last year to work out and he also organized workout sessions with teammates in Tallahassee. where they used the football facilities at Florida State since One Buc Palace is off limits.
Jameis should cut a check for Arians to come to Tallahassee for brainstorming sessions or, Jameis should just go to Georgia where Arians has his retirement home and find a nearby high school there.
Since Jameis cannot work out for Koetter until April, Joe thinks it is a no-brainer for Jameis to reach out to Arians. Sure cannot hurt.
January 8th, 2018 at 5:19 am
This reinforces my argument that NFL players are part timers. They don’t work at their “office” full time. After the season, poof they’re gone. Can you or I do that? Nope. Do you or I get multi-million dollar contracts? Nope. Not a bad gig. Work part time, get millions, then to into hiding until you are called back to work. Fact is, the Bucs part-timers didn’t play as well as the part-timers in New Orleans, Carolina, Pittsburgh, New England, Minnesota, Jacksonville, etc. And, to think, these part-timers actually had time to protest whatever they say they were protesting (ask different activists and they have different answers to their protest). Pretty amazing that a part-time employee has time for such as that. One would think a part-timer would be totally focused on their craft. Just sayin’
January 8th, 2018 at 5:28 am
Lets hope he doesn’t use Uber to get around were ever he is going…
January 8th, 2018 at 5:39 am
^ 2 examples of our idiotic fanbase.
January 8th, 2018 at 5:48 am
Just wait there’s plenty more coming Buc Fan in NC.
January 8th, 2018 at 6:04 am
if the titans upset the patriots, mariota will get siced even harder than he already does.
January 8th, 2018 at 6:11 am
Amen to that, Buc Fan in NC.
January 8th, 2018 at 6:51 am
I thought Sept -Dec 2017 was Jameis’s off season
January 8th, 2018 at 6:54 am
Buc Fan in NC is an example of our jock sniffing “Bucs are great no matter their record” fanbase.
January 8th, 2018 at 7:07 am
Rich maybe you should try out for the Bucs and work”part-time”. But wait you probably aren’t big enough, fast enough, strong enough and most importantly athletic enough. These young men get the privilege of playing in the NFL because of their physical gifts that you and I don’t have. Trust me the second their talent diminishes their gone buddy. These guys have to train year round to be and stay at their physical peak. These young men deserve every penny they get because the physical aftermath on their bodies is carried with them for a lifetime. No one seems to ever bring up how much the owners and media outlets make its in the BILLIONS fellas.
January 8th, 2018 at 7:12 am
Whatever it takes, he needs to improve his game. Arians would be a great start.
There is nobody on this team who doesn’t need work. 5-11!
January 8th, 2018 at 7:12 am
Jameis should work on his pitching so he can escape this worthless crapshow that is the bucs franchise. Run jameis run… you will never win in Tampa with glazers running circus.
January 8th, 2018 at 7:17 am
Buc Fan in NC
You calling anyone an idiot is hilarious Considering you thought the no talent heartless glennon was a star… how’d that workout… it workout just like i told you it would the loser FAILED…
January 8th, 2018 at 7:25 am
I’m all for Jameis getting help from whoever he is able…..I think he has improved and I’m not totally convinced his coaching has been bad.
I simply think Jameis is such a fierce competitor that it causes him to make errors extending plays that aren’t there…..that should only come with maturity and he seems slow to mature. I’m quite sure his coaches teach him ball control and smart play….but I don’t think he listens.
Maybe another coach will get through to him…..maybe not.
January 8th, 2018 at 7:38 am
Great point Joe. This needs to happen. Keep us informed
January 8th, 2018 at 7:44 am
Why does the #1 overall pick,the most NFL ready, QB still need help with basic mechanics of throwing a football and ball security…..all he needs to do is watch the great QB’s playing the game today….do what they do
January 8th, 2018 at 7:52 am
See Altered another ignorant comment by you. Tom Brady works on his mechanics every off season and that is why he is great and why Jameis will be great. Effort and determination always pay off no matter if you dislike him or root for him to fail he will succed. Plus clueless people like you only fuel competitiors like him so please keep firing away cause your only making him better which we all know you hate .
January 8th, 2018 at 7:56 am
Altered- Another thing is that we EXPECT him to be Brady or Brees and often forget that those elite QBs are 10+ year veterans. Experience is the greatest antidote sometimes.
Still, “Once you stop learning, you start dying.”
-Albert Einstein
January 8th, 2018 at 7:59 am
Agree with TBBF
And Joe ,that is a great idea on Arians. Kind of like raising kids,they don’t always listen to you but if somebody else suggests it then its a good idea.
January 8th, 2018 at 8:00 am
ndog you a blind fool….vailed racist to boot….Brady works on his mechanics which are already correct….Jameis’s does not have that yet !….watch Brees…watch Mariota next weekend….footwork and throwing mechanics…
January 8th, 2018 at 8:05 am
If you replace the word Jameis with Koetter the article makes more sense.
No one seems to ever bring up how much the owners and media outlets make its in the BILLIONS fellas
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Do I really need to explain this GRT1? You know why!
January 8th, 2018 at 8:54 am
After watching the three NFC south QB’s in their first playoff games,its obvious to me a QB has to play near perfect games against top defenses to give his team a chance. Only one INT in all those games. So I am onboard with a talented QB
coach on staff. Somebody with personal experience at QB would be even better.
January 8th, 2018 at 8:58 am
Blind I accept blind fool, as we disagree on the topic, but racist really, where did you get that from?
January 8th, 2018 at 8:59 am
Bob in Valrico…..are you saying the Bucs need to find a Jameis Whisperer ?….
January 8th, 2018 at 9:03 am
I am also impressed with the insight Tony Romo has added to the booth from a
offensive perspective. Jameis would do well working with somebody like that.
January 8th, 2018 at 9:15 am
B in V….I am worried that Jameis has been getting the proper advice….but under stress reverts to his lifetime sling it back yard hero habits….I have been watching QB mechanics in every game college and pros since Jameis returned from his shoulder benching….Jameis good throws since his return were directly a result of good mechanics…feet set under him …step and throw…it is all so basic
January 8th, 2018 at 9:23 am
I think there is something to Jameis trying to make plays like he would in a sandlot game. And Looking up George Whitfield raises an alarm to me. Joe is right
to question his qualifications.
January 8th, 2018 at 9:24 am
Winston has major doubters. His little outburst, when asked about 3 INTs in final game. ” but we won right, that’s all that matters right” tells me he knows too. The guy is showing signs of coming apart at the seems.This offseason is more about him keeping his nose clean. Careful Winston, your true character is showing.
January 8th, 2018 at 9:26 am
Alleged Buc Fan in NC;
Dude, relax, its a joke…like this franchise as been except for a period of about 8 years..
I have held season tix since ’76..where are you! I have invested $$$$ in this team.
I have lived thru Ray Perkins, Leeman Bennett; Sam Wyche; Richard Williamson; and the rest of the crap…
So, I am entitled to take a SHOT at the immature;finger lick’n, crotch grab’n fool that does not learn from his mistakes…
Quit sniff’n his jock…and every other Buc articleor comment that rubs your ass the wrong the way.
January 8th, 2018 at 9:27 am
“One of the biggest irritants for NFL coaches is no permitted workouts with their players in the offseason.”
You know, Joe, I was just thinking about that. There is a way around it thanks to social media. Jameis can live stream the workouts over the internet. It would cost much to do (hire a couple camera operators and a savvy multimedia guy), and Koetter (along with everyone else) could watch the stream, then use a go-between to get advice to him.
No rules broken, because the workouts are publicly broadcasted.
January 8th, 2018 at 9:34 am
All Jameis needs to do is watch and learn from Drew Bree’s game yesterday….mechanics….timing…throwing to the SPOT !….
January 8th, 2018 at 9:34 am
Yes, rules very much broken. Coaches are not allowed to have contact — i.e. coaching in any way — in any form with players once a season is over and when teams report for offseason conditioning.
Even if the NFL remotely suspected this was going on, they have access to digital footprints, web history, traffic, etc. Joe’s heard of how the NFL has even ordered GMs and coaches to turn over cell phones to NFL security if there is even a scent of wrongdoing.
Am convinced teams give players offseason plans, like an outline of what they should do, but once the player leaves the building after the final game of the season, any contact is verbotten.
January 8th, 2018 at 9:50 am
Jameis will be fine. In a couple years, none of this will matter.
So far as a winning record, I’m not all that concerned. Unlike the trolls around here (and I am speaking only of the trolls, not the actual good commenters here), I see some encouraging things.
1 Jameis is young.
It may seem a played out excuse, but that doesn’t mean it is not true. He’s young, and he still has that college football mentality about him. He’ll grow out of it.
2 Jameis recognizes his weaknesses. He knows them as well as anyone else. He remains positive, even though he knows he needs to get better.
3 Jameis is willing to learn and willing to put in the work to improve. Not only does he see his own faults, but he wants to get better, and he is not just a talker. He actually puts in the work in order to improve. As long as he maintains that attitude and effort, there is no way he won’t improve.
4 Remember when 3,000 yards was a milestone in the NFL? Jameis had a 3,500+ yard season and people are calling it a bad year. What about the fumbles some might say? In games where he fumbled he was sacked multiple times. The pass protection was horrible in those games. And the picks? Really, no excuse for that. It;s an area he has to get better at…see #3.
5 The offensive line actually wasn’t horrible all the time. It took time for it to improve, and those improvements were spotty…inconsistent. On the good days, though, it was blockbuster. This tells us that the potential is there. The line just needs more than a season to come together properly…you know, like most good offensive lines do.
6 So, about the defensive line…trolls like to bash Jason Licht for not building the line through the draft. Time for some life lessons. When you draft a franchise QB, you want to build around him so that the entire offensive unit can grow WITH HIM. That means dedicating the majority of picks to offense.
And let’s face it…defensive players develop faster. Not a lot of science to hitting other guys. Their main challenges are play recognition, trust and effort/conditioning, with only a couple exceptions.
So people that are complaining? Licht can fix the defense this year. He can get the right players during the draft, undrafted FA and veteran FA…but guess what? Fans will go into next season expecting the young players to play lights out, not allowing for developmental time.
Heck, it;s possible that they’ll play just good enough to get us a winning record…maybe even get us into the playoffs…but they won’t be perfect, and expecting them to be that way is ignorant.
7 93 is not a cancer, regardless of what some persons claim. To even suggest that makes you one-dimensional. However, what he is? Expendable. The man is getting up there is years. It’s not fair to him to keep him here, negating any chance of him getting a championship.
And it just so happens he is our most valuable player that we can afford to trade. If Licht is truly worth his salt, he can get a first rounder and a 4th rounder for McCoy. That would not only replace McCoy, but gain us an extra pick.
I suggest this not because I want GMC gone…I don’t. I suggest it because it would be a smart move. What good is he to us without a supporting roster around him? Trading him would allow us to rebuild the line from scratch. Draft a replacement in the first round, use the 4th to trade up into the second and get a second DE or CB. That would get us two firsts and two second round picks. Instant rebuild. Not to mention we still have Noah Spence.
January 8th, 2018 at 9:58 am
We’d be winning in the playoffs right now had we held on to the true QB of the future Mike Glennon. The guy was throwing for 300+ yards a game and leading the team to come from behind victories. Another Bucs blunder.
January 8th, 2018 at 10:01 am
Good post Bonzai! You have some very good points.
January 8th, 2018 at 10:03 am
@joe
you may be on to something….at the very least it wouldn’t hurt….GO BUCS!!!!
January 8th, 2018 at 11:33 am
Hopefully, the main thing that Jameis needs to concentrate on is doing whatever he needs to do to get his shoulder 100% healthy.
January 8th, 2018 at 12:55 pm
Bring in Ariens to be the Bucs QB coach or even better OC.
January 8th, 2018 at 1:03 pm
And when the Glazer’s fire Koetter after next year, Ariens would be a much more likable choice to bring in than all these god awful HCs we’ve hired for the past decade.
January 8th, 2018 at 1:08 pm
Next time you see Jamies @Joe tell him not us we not gonna see him
January 8th, 2018 at 1:12 pm
Nice post Bonzai….agree with all except for perhaps points 2 and 3. I hope you’re correct…it hasn’t shown up on the field yet but as you point out he’s still very young. Agree with all the rest.
This is a brain dead rule. Just enforcing it requires way too much effort for the league because there have to be a million ways to try and cheat. Short of somebody ratting somebody out I find it hard to believe that folks in the NFL are not smart enough to communicate surreptitiously so folks wouldn’t know they were meeting in some backwater place. Just stay out of public sight…it’s not that hard!!!
I assume this comes from the CBA because the players thought they were working too hard? I get the off season rules on contact but going through plays and learning the offense and defense free coaches up in the pre season to actually work on fundamentals…like tackling!
January 8th, 2018 at 1:14 pm
Jameis has a cannon. he has wheels. He is also immature, has suspect personal character, routinely fumbles when the ball should already be landing in the sideline stands, and throws voluminous untimely interceptions. A great college QB, but an average NFL one, and more of a liability than asset in the locker room and on the street. you can have him.
There are going to be another 3 years of pain in Tampa Bay before the Glazers pull the plug on their investment. They should do it now – textbook definition of a sunk cost – but will play the hand a while longer.
go bucs
January 8th, 2018 at 1:56 pm
NC they are not Buc fans. Like Alterego, he is only to defame Jameis. Jameis stats are almost identical to QB’s that are in the hall of fame. Stats are not for loser. Stats are for those who understand them. The way Jameis moves the ball down the field without a running game and with defenders constantly in his face, there will be no stopping him once he gets better coaching.
January 8th, 2018 at 5:44 pm
TMaxiPad you have me confused with the Mike Glennon crap. He was mediocre at NCSU so he was gonna be bad in the NFL. Bucn Enut, you’re not entitled to anything because you spent your money. Altered you’re clearly mentally challenged and you have a hard on for Jameis. Maybe it’s bc you’re an inbred hillbilly. Keyboard tough guys are the worst.
January 9th, 2018 at 9:35 pm
GREAT CALL JOE … BRUCE ARIANS IS THE MAN!