“Backwards” Mentality

January 29th, 2018

Some Bucs fans don’t want to win.

Joe is convinced the losing Bucs culture has now infected way too many fans.

A quick reminder: The Bucs have had two winning seasons since Chucky was jettisoned on that dark January Friday afternoon in 2009. Even more galling than all the losing seasons, the Bucs have yet to take a snap in a playoff game since January 2008 — a full decade, folks.

Yet when Joe served up news Sunday that the Broncos were dangling Pro Bowl cornerback Aqib Talib for a potential trade, a position of need for the Bucs and maybe a great need depending on what free agent Brent Grimes decides to do, Bucs fans reacted to Joe on Twitter as if Talib would ruin the team.

The common complaint Joe read on Twitter was, trading for Talib would “send the team backwards.”


Guys and gals, the Bucs own the longest playoff drought in the NFC. They haven’t played in a playoff game in a decade and are basically Cleveland South. Only the Browns have a worse home record than the Bucs in the past 10 years. You know, “Den of Depression?”

People, this team already is backwards!

If the Bucs pass on a chance to secure Talib for the next two years and then have Grimes thumb his nose at them, then Joe surely hopes AC/DC-loving general manager Jason Licht has some fantastic trick up his sleeve.

The way some Bucs fans freak like their checking account just got cleaned out by a hacker when it comes to Michael Bennett and Talib, Joe is confident the losing culture of the Bucs has spread to too many fans — they are so hostile about upgrading the defensive roster.

97 Responses to ““Backwards” Mentality”

  1. Season Is Over Says:

    I think it is more likely these fans aren’t morons.

  2. DB55 Says:

    they are so hostile about upgrading the defensive roster.
    They’re not hostile about upgrading the D “they” just don’t want “those thugs” in Tampa. Come on Joe how many time we need to go over this?

  3. Drew aka q Says:

    Joe we have alot of idiots as fans … alot!!!!

  4. Robert Says:

    some of us have morals

  5. Joe Says:

    some of us have morals

    Joe has morals too. One of them is winning games.

  6. vbbucfan Says:

    Denver has cap issues and will likely release Talib. I would rather the team not overpay for him and try in free agency after he is released

  7. webster Says:

    Its really very simple joe…..the fans that want Talib just do not want to trade for him. Why trade draft picks for a 32 year old that makes 12 mil? He will be cut soon enough and you will be able to get him at a discounted price.

  8. Robert Says:

    no, it’s because some of us realise he will be a cancer and/or arrested/suspended inside of his 1st year.

    Thats a great idea- bank on someone who has proven to let you down in the past.

    no thanks.

  9. Joe Says:

    Why trade draft picks for a 32 year old that makes 12 mil?

    Two words: Mike Smith.

    If you don’t want to trade draft picks for a veteran (if he produces, Joe doesn’t give a damn if he is 45) Joe understands fully. But that also means you trust the current defensive coaches to develop a young cornerback or defensive end. What evidence are you basing this on?

    Another factor folks tend to overlook. You think Jason Licht and Dirk Koetter have the luxury of picking players for the next GM/coach? These guys are likely in the midst of win-or-get-out offseason.

  10. OrlandoJoe Says:

    I just don’t want to see us give up too much for him. A third round pick would be way too pricey to me. I’d much rather bring in a rookie in the third round than Aqib. If he’s cut then I’d love to have him. He doesn’t have a history of violence towards women. Just cab drivers.

  11. Joe Says:

    no, it’s because some of us realise he will be a cancer and/or arrested/suspended inside of his 1st year.

    Please go into great detail how Talib was a cancer in New England and Denver. He’s played in three Super Bowls since he left the Bucs and has consistently produced.

    Unless you and Joe have different definitions of a cancer.

  12. Joe Says:

    He doesn’t have a history of violence towards women. Just cab drivers.

    LOL Maybe Talib’s Uber account is still active? 🙂

  13. Dusthty Rhothdes Says:

    Mixed message joe with this commentary when you were 100% negative on Incognito and now that tone has changed as the bucs have slid into clevealnd territory

  14. LakeLand Says:

    They traded a 26 year old Aqib Talib and a 7th round draft pick for the Pats 4th round draft pick.

    That’s ” Backwards Thinking”.

  15. DBS Says:

    And who was one of the first people wanting Talib run out of here? Now the Bucs are in trouble and you are begging to get him back? Does he remember the long intro you use to give him?

  16. Robert H. Says:

    We need some attitude on the field, how can some one be a cancer while being an elite corner on teams that went to 2 superbowls and got a ring.

  17. Costa Rica John Says:

    If he is cut and they bring him back I’m all for it. We need our draft picks. Don’t trade them away.

  18. DanBucsFan Says:

    “JOE” …… AMEN BROTHER. Everything you said in this article , as well as comments you have made, I couldn’t AGREE MORE.It’s like you said how i have felt and been wanting to say, but haven’t. GO Bucs!

  19. C eh N eh D eh Says:

    No, some fans see the ridiculous call for a return of OLD players who have serious issues and will probably sit on their cash and be comfortable with the Bucs losing mentality…McCoy is the biggest imbecile for bringing it up. Replace MCCOY and bring in younger players in all three of those spots. Joe’s patience is extremely thin…

  20. Guzzie Says:

    He’s going to get cut anyways, no one is paying him $12 million this year, especially a 32 year old

  21. 813bucboi Says:

    Joe Says:
    January 29th, 2018 at 1:17 pm
    Why trade draft picks for a 32 year old that makes 12 mil?
    Two words: Mike Smith.

    but it the defense has another repeat of 2017 smitty will be outta here….then we lose picks and smitty….that would be a complete mess….GO BUCS!!!!

  22. Its_A_Tough_Buc_Life Says:

    Give Denver a 5th or 6th and then reconstruct his contract.. Him opposite Grimes this year with Vernon Hargreaves in the slot, is a nice little trio. Throw in Bennett and Chubb at DE, our D becomes instantly better. Hears to hoping Arizona parts ways with Mathieu

  23. Kansas95Buc Says:

    Not sure why he was let go in the first place……

  24. Guzzie Says:

    I take that back, the Bucs like overpaying over e hill veterans like Vjax and Drug Martin, Tampa is most guys retirement plan

  25. Dusthty Rhothdes Says:

    and I am all for spinkilin in veterans with some baggage if the team has a great foundation and leadership and is close but this team is at the bottom of tampa bay and very far from any form of a legit contender, talib although is FAR superior than anyone on the bucs current roster, if he is or does have any thinking of coming herre may have talked to his weed buddy TJ and heard stay away, having to sign the talibs of the worl is a direct of lichts terrible building of this franchise

  26. RawBucFan Says:

    So did the Eagles go backwards by bringing back Nick Foles??? We need a talent upgrade….period!!!

  27. Eric Says:

    How come this isn’t considered fools gold?

  28. C eh N eh D eh Says:

    The Bucs WILL win, when they compile a strong base of young players, not adding some stopgap OLD guys to hammer the salary cap ….and they will have to be replaced asap anyway…trading picks and adding free agents is the recipe that put this team in a tailspin…

  29. Not there yet Says:

    It just tells you how delusional our fanbase is. But a better folks angry this franchise doesn’t have the stones to reign in young talented players then make it worse when they go to another team and win. There is no Aura of winning mentality in this building and it’s been this way over a decade which is why after everything the guy has accomplished they don’t want to bring him back but want the team to be tough lol ok

  30. The Buc Realist Says:

    LOL, Talib is the only thing holding the Bucs back from winning?????? You have lost your mind Joe!!!!!!!!!

    I love player personnel Joe and all of his wacky idea’s!!!!!!!!!!!

    Go Bucs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  31. Dooshlarue Says:

    The “Delusional Joe” / “Back to the Future “ wrote this article.

  32. AlteredEgo Says:

    “Joe Says:
    January 29th, 2018 at 1:14 pm
    some of us have morals

    Joe has morals too. One of them is winning games.”

    LOL….hoping your morals are better than the Buc’s winning % over the past 10 years….too easy to pass up

  33. pelbuc Says:

    Poor planning and personnel decisions by the GM and head coaches have brought the Bucs to this sad state of affairs where we desperately need to acquire (and overpay) high character guys like Talib and Bennett. This is what happens when you give up an extra 4th rounder to move up in the 2nd round to draft a kicker and you draft and get free agents on offense as “weapons” for your immature, inaccurate 1st round QB. Bucs don’t seem to learn from their mistakes. Wish we had a “Tom Coughlin” in the front offic.e

  34. Robert Says:

    “Please go into great detail how Talib was a cancer in New England and Denver. He’s played in three Super Bowls since he left the Bucs and has consistently produced.”

    It’s called huge servings of humble pie. He was a piece of 2 great organizations. here, he’ll be back to his old self thinking he owns the place and acting as such.

    him and d jax will be great together though, and a positive influence on evans. lol

  35. webster Says:

    @ joe

    My point is why trade for someone who is about to be released? Denver knows he is not a 13 mil cornerback anymore and they are trying to if there is a sucker to take him off their hand. My point is wait until he becomes a free agent and you get him cheaper. He already has interest in coming back. That way you can potentially sign both grimes and talib. One thing is for sure, if you are paying talib 13 mil, you are not resigning grimes and then the bucs will be in the same situation with only one good cornerback. That would not help our situation.

  36. Tnew Says:

    I’ve got no problem bringing in Talib. My question is this.

    Will Mile Smith use a Defense that employable press man coverage?

    This is what VHIII does better. Get him in space and he is so aware that he lacks recovery speed he gets tentative. Ryan Smith is another guy that looks better in press man. Grimes likes off man.

    Just because Talib can play doesn’t mean he will be used properly. Make Talib play off man and his effectiveness will be drastically reduced.

  37. ndog Says:

    I think a big part of the hesitation to bring in Talib, by some, is that when he was hear and not surrounded by a great pass rush like he was in Denver, he was very ordinary. So if you are going to get a older ordinary CB then why get one with the baggage. To be clear I am not against getting him but if you are looking at it the way I described above it is a good question.

  38. AlteredEgo Says:

    I am used to the Bucs wining with high priced rentals….I would rather watch the team as it rebuilds over the next 2 years with draft picks and YOUNG FA’s…

  39. AlteredEgo Says:

    “I am used to the Bucs losing with high priced rentals….I would rather watch the team as it rebuilds over the next 2 years with draft picks and YOUNG FA’s

  40. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:

    If the Broncos are indeed dangling him, then they will likely cut him for free agency. Why give up a pick?

  41. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:

    I would rather get Grimes back and draft a good player at CB in the 3rd.

  42. jerseybuc Says:

    My lasting memory of Talib was the monday nighter vs Dallas. Got beat by Dez on like the second play of the game and then hobbled off with a hammy. Guy never was a great player for the Bucs, it took NE and Denver to bring them out of him. Now he is 32 years old and making big money as he heads to the downside of his career. Let’s find a younger and cheaper alternative, especially with an over 35 high paid Grimes on the other side.

  43. Lamarcus Says:

    Yeah yeah yeah

    We have to take these guys cuz we suck and have no other choice. Damn Browns fans don’t go that low

    But we are Bucs fans and if u want to win we must take player like these. We just have to.

    When we go on date night we must order from the dollar menu. It’s just the way it is

  44. Pickgrin Says:

    First off – does Talib WANT to come back to the Buccaneers?

    If so – then I imagine he will find his way here once Denver releases him.

    The last thing we need is another talented yet overpaid CB who doesn’t really give a rats a$$ about the fortunes of this team.

    Talib is 32 years old and was downstat last year. No team is going to want to pay Aquib $12M next year and certainly no other team is going to want to give up draft picks for the “privilege” of overpaying him…

    Focus on getting a deal done w/ Grimes and when Talib becomes available – see if he wants to come “home” and offer a fair price to do so ($8-9M per year tops for no more than 2 years).

    Anything beyond that would be reckless.

    Talib would likely be a good addition for a year or two – IF he WANTS to be here and doesn’t insist on being overpaid.

  45. doolnutts Says:

    We have what 80 million in cap space? Trading for Aquib for two years would be a great move and non-detrimental to the cap. Also free’s up draft choices for other needs and lord knows we have plenty of needs.

  46. 813bucboi Says:

    Tnew Says:
    January 29th, 2018 at 2:46 pm
    I’ve got no problem bringing in Talib. My question is this.
    Will Mile Smith use a Defense that employable press man coverage?
    This is what VHIII does better. Get him in space and he is so aware that he lacks recovery speed he gets tentative. Ryan Smith is another guy that looks better in press man. Grimes likes off man.


    ive been saying this since last year!!!!…..VHG and ryan smith are man press CB’s….the only one that is successful in soft/off coverage is grimes….

    so smitty has been forcing our 2 young CB’s to play in a scheme that puts them in position to fail in favor of 1 35 year old CB that has been playing soft/off coverage his entire career…..

    that’s some real good coaching right there(sarcasm)….GO BUCS!!!!

  47. AlteredEgo Says:

    Talib will go to the Cowboys if he is released

  48. Robert Says:

    talib, or any other player in his pay scale and age should ONLY go to a contender with a hole they need to plug to get them over the top. anything else is wasted money by the team who brings him in.

    doesn’t even warrant a visit.

    can’t fix stupid.

  49. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:

    If Talib comes back, maybe TMax can pick on him a while.

  50. Bucworld Says:

    I’ve been waiting for this one. 😂. Some of the fan base attacks the good players that we have, then run them out of town. When it comes to adding good players, he has to pass the choir girl test.

  51. Marc Says:


    Can you name ONE time your suggested strategy, of signing previously jettisoned and now over the hill players has resulted in a championship title? Neither can I.

    -Die hard Bucs fan

  52. Eric Says:

    when was last time we won with high priced rentals?

  53. Clodhopper Says:

    He only needs to answer one question: Can you cover Julio?

  54. The Graham Tram Says:

    We want mean, but not too mean!!!!!!

    Don’t wait on him. Trade a pick and give him a boat load of cash that we should’ve given to Calais.

    Pretty sure Smith gives the option to the corner to play press or not.

    Get Bennett too.

  55. admin Says:

    when was last time we won with high priced rentals?



  56. martinii Says:

    Excuse me, but the Buc’s need to win some games next year or none of this really matters. Talib is younger than Grimes and has continued to play at a High level. The only reason they need to unload him is because money, not his diminished ability. As far as pride, very few of us have much of that left after 10 years. We need Talib to cover these big WR’s we face in the NFC South. So if the wild one hits the market, we need him roaming our defensive backfield causing havoc. Trade for him.

  57. aussieBucfan Says:

    Vontae Davis could be a candidate for the Brett Grimes career resurrection award.

    A former Pro Bowl corner who got injured and left his current team with an awkward break up.

    At 29 years old not exactly over the hill just yet..

  58. Phil Says:

    I never understood why we got rid of him. He’s a great corner. We need football players, not bot scout.

  59. Joe Says:

    Can you name ONE time your suggested strategy, of signing previously jettisoned and now over the hill players has resulted in a championship title? Neither can I.

    How exactly are two Pro Bowlers “over the hill?”

    Joe seems to recall the Bucs doing quite well in 2002 when free agents.

    If, say, Bennett and Talib are “over the hill,” given their production last year, then Ryan Smith and Will Clarke haven’t even seen the hill.

    But, if you are OK with losing, with being last in the NFL in passing yards allowed and last in the league in sacks is fine with you, OK. If the Bucs lose again next year and have a rotten defense, don’t be b!tching about the Bucs not upgrading talent on defense.

    If the friggin’ defensive coaches could develop young corners and/or defensive ends, we wouldn’t be discussing a giant need to sign or trade for other teams’ players.

  60. doctor_berto Says:

    Who cares, go bolts!

  61. AlteredEgo Says:

    “Joe seems to recall the Bucs doing quite well in 2002 when free agents.”…..indeed…added to a already strong roster….opposite of recent years….young FA’s and draft picks….build a team not a roster….Quarles …Gooch…Nece…all began on the bottom of the roster and many more

  62. Rod Munch Says:

    Bennett is complete garbage that won’t be coming here, but adding Talib would be a good thing if they can get it done for a pick that won’t hurt them. The Bucs have up Talib for what, a 4th rounder, so I think that’s the highest they could possibly pay for a player for 2 years. For every Kwon there’s 50 Ryan Smith’s, so a 4th won’t kill them – but I’d really try to get him for a 5th. Also the Bucs need to also bring back Grimes at the same time – then you got 2 man-on-man corners and then perhaps blitzing works (as opposed to playing your corners 20 yards off the line of scrimmage and wondering why your blitzes don’t work when the QB just throws to the guy who runs 5 yards, turns around and is wide open). I’d do it if you can – sign Grimes for 2 more years and get Talib for 2 years – do so as you got 2 years until Winston gets paid.

  63. StPeteBucsFan Says:

    I was a loud as anybody about sending Talib outta here. But he has not gotten into trouble since. Perhaps the tour in camp Belicheat made him mature.

    It’s America folks…we love giving folks a second chance.

    As for the money…hopefully he and Grimes would earn similar salaries so Miko doesn’t have to go nuckin futs. LOL

    The Bucs are well aware of salary cap challenges coming up. They’re not going to pay these guys long term money…perhaps lock them up for a couple of years with a 3rd year option.

    The locker room actually seems to be in decent shape right now hence Swaggy getting called out. After this past year Kwon and #3…LVD..GMC…all have enough seniority to spot and castigate the bad apples like Swaggy.

  64. Mike Evans GOAT Says:

    Worst armchair GMs in the league. The current regime is in WIN NOW MODE. They must win this year or they are gone. I think we make a few splashs in FA this year, including Talib and Bennett. Both are still impact players with ATTITUDE(something this team has very little of). We need winners, we need that killer attitude to offset GMC Icecream man attitude.

  65. SOEbuc Says:

    NO! Other than the fact he was a punk, that wasn’t the only reason. He wasn’t as good before he left for Denver and he became better. BUCS NEED TO TRADE FOR PRIME PLAYERS IN THEIR PRIME!!! No more overpaid players in their thirties.

  66. StPeteBucsFan Says:


    You are aware that Darrell Green was playing CB until he was 42.

    I will quickly concede that Darrell Green is exceptional!!! A HOFer who was lightning fast.

    But 42 is ten years away from 32 (Talib/Bennett) and seven years older than Grimes.

    Grimes and Miko take scrupulous care of his “instrument”. Miko feeds him health food and Brent is a gym rat.

    I’ve heard Bennett is a workout warrior as well…I know nothing about Talib’s off season programs. But the Bucs will know if there is anymore gas in the tank.

    The future is now!!! Only ONE season counts…2018! Nobody is going to blow long term money and for some of his apparent weaknesses Licht does appear to be a pretty good capologist.

  67. D-Rome Says:

    It seems like this team has a penchant for signing players who have outlived their usefulness or they are past their prime. Brent Grimes is the exception, not the norm.

  68. webster Says:

    Some of you buc fans are truly clueless. How in the world can you type talib was not good here? The man had 18 ints in his 4 and a half years here. Just because you type alternative facts it does not make them true. No wonder other fans laugh at this fan base. You are so busy complaining that you can not recognize a talented player eventhough you watched him for 4 and a half years. It was never about talent with talib. This fan base is truly embarrasing

  69. firethecannons Says:

    we need our picks, talib for cash only

  70. webster Says:

    Another interesting fact, talib has more picks with the bucs than he has with NE and Denver combined. The difference is those teams were good so he got the recognition he deserved. When you play with a 5-11 team, you very rarely get the accolades. Talib was very good before he left. Fyi…he has played 5 and a half years away from tampa.

  71. Eric Says:

    If you win with some free agents around here it is considered an unpardonable sin.

    and heaven help you if you win the super bowl. Then you really get on the bad side of this fan base.

    Talib probably knows full well what a disaster this is and will look elsewhere for some playoff money. Maybe the raiders.

  72. jb Says:

    Robert Says:
    January 29th, 2018 at 1:12 pm
    some of us have morals
    Yet, I bet many of you voted for a racist, misogynistic, narcissistic, ignorant fool for president. Very few Americans should be playing the MORALS card after our November 2016 Presidential election. Nice try though!

  73. John meeks Says:

    I just want to win😭😭😭😭😭

  74. LakeLand Says:

    I remember those dumb,stupid moves Greg Schiano was making in 2012. From sitting LeGarrette Blount to trading Aquib Talib. The Bucs finish dead-last in passing defense. Talib had 7 PD and a pick in 4 games before he was traded. I guess Schiano wanted to stick with Myron Lewis, Leonard Johnson, E,J Biggers , LeQuan Lewis, Anthony Gaitor etc.

    What a joke of a franchise

  75. Kalind Says:

    Joe, I just don’t want to trade for him and his 11mil contract. WHEN he hits the market (which he’ll do so long as we don’t give up a pick and 11mil) then I’m alllllllll for going after him, Vontae Davis, Malcom Butler, Trumaine Johnson, whoever. You’re really fixated on Talib, which is fine he’s plenty good. Better than ANYONE currently on the roster.

    I just don’t want to have tunnel vision for ex-Bucs. Ansah > Bennett is another example.

  76. LakeLand Says:

    **Aqib Talib**

  77. John meeks Says:

    Glazers should have grabbed Dave gentleman as soon as he was let go by carolina,damn good football mind and knows how to build a team!guess what??the glazers never even made a phone call!who wants to win??They remind me of high culverhouse,all about the money!never mind the embarrassment they put on this great city!sell the team to someone who wants to win!fans deserve better these clowns as owners.i been dealing with this crap since 1976 minus a few good years and I’m getting old .let me enjoy my next 20 years team glazer and sell to someone who wants to win!

  78. webster Says:

    @ kalind

    Ansah will be franchised. If he is not, then you try to sign both.

    @ lakeland

    Guess what, the bucs are still looking for a corner since they let talib go. They are also looking for a running back as well. All blount has done is win two super bowls with a chance at a third while the bucs still look for a running back. This should be a lesson to all these fans that says stupid things like trade mike evans or get rid of jameis etc.

  79. Patrickbucs Says:

    I always thought he was a good corner and still is. Joe to say he hasn’t had any issues since he’s left is simply not true. He shot himself in the leg for Christ’s sakes and falsified a police report that someone else shot him, been suspended twice at least for pulling Crabtree’s chain and starting a brawl and poking an Indy player in the eye like a punk.

    He’s much better then what we have for sure, to give up a pick for him doesnt make any sense though imo. Just know that he might not be there for you if he’s susp need again or getting ridiculous personal foul penalties after the whistle.

  80. Bucnjim Says:

    I wonder what Miko Grimes has to say about Talib & Bennett. Funny thing is if you have paid attention to her she is right more often then not. Plus Brent’s play at his age (in NFL years) and his vertical leap defy odds. He’s the type of veteran leader this team needs and shows up every single game unlike some others.

  81. DanBucsFan Says:

    Talib and Grimes as outside cb’s, Hargreaves in slot where he played good, with Evans at safety, plus possibly draft Fitzpatrick, or D.James at other safety. I will take that all day as a secondary. Yes I agree without some pressure on the qb from our line it doesn’t matter who is in our secondary, but if Spence comes back healthy and we hit on a De in draft or free agency, all the sudden there is no excuse for our coaches to say its a talent issue. I hope if we do get Bennet and\or Talib, we draft a youngster to play behind them and hopefully grown into a replacement for the lil long in the tooth veteran.

  82. MadMax Says:

    I’ll take him back…..im good with him now. Just not pea brain bennett.

  83. I Bleed Pewter and Red Says:

    Last year Talib had his lowest tackle season in Denver, and 2 of his 3 int’s were off deflections. Being in the right place at the right time. He’s playing like a player who is cognizant of his own mortality and is playing soft by avoiding contact to prolong his career. Is this what we really want to pay 12 million for? Or, should we continue looking for the next rising stars?

  84. DoNUTS Says:

    I agree with you Meeks. 10 years of losing tells me that the problems start at the very top of this sh*t show.

    Glazers = Culverhouse 2.0

  85. BucsFanRioDeJaneiro Says:

    Bring the boys back home.
    6th round pick for Talib and Bennett for right price.

    Give Grimes a good 2-year deal, we can’t afford to loose him right now.
    VH3 is an excellent nickel. Bad deal for a 1st rounder, but it’s better than nothing.
    Re-sign McClain and work hard on Ryan Smith one more year.

    And I think that we’ll draft Minkah Fitzpatrick as he’ll be one of the two best players avaiable (along with Quenton Nelson, but IMO Licht will choose a DB over an OG), fills a hole and pairs very well with Evans.

  86. DoNUTS Says:

    Webster – you could also say the Bucs have been looking for a DE since they let Bennet go. I agree that Ansah gets the tag.

    I agree that Talib and Bennet are the obvious targets; I think Talib wont come here. Koetter and Licht have to be all in at this point and they need to fix the Dline badly.

  87. Duke Says:


    Why are not moving forward? It’s been 9yrs . And 5 yrs but hey baby steps…

  88. Duke Says:


  89. Duke Says:

    @ GM’ s,

    How many of you think that the Glazers are cheap and look at the bottom line only?

    Now when Joe offers a hypothetical FA signings , how many people from the above group now object to spending some of, not their money, the Glazers I’ll gotten gains on players…

    NFL GM’ s get paid , more than you, considerably more , they are paid to do what you’re doing for free. Why not apply for a career in NFL management?
    If you’re satisfied with your current income and job then why criticize the team for their mediocrity when you’re acknowledging your own. Just saying.

    Last, pay attention to the new emerging trends that are reshaping the NFL landscape. Trading picks for a vet is one of these changes. The other is
    The fact that there’s a growing number of players playing much later than the “expert’s” and numerologist believe is possible. Yet amazing as the evidence piles
    up they can’t understand the game is changing . Much like the posters who believe they’re Tennessee ready.

  90. The Anomaly Says:

    Sun City Center Bucs

    the nursing home of the NFL

  91. BigPoppaBuc Says:

    The last really fun Bucs team to watch had Talib, Bennett and Blount. I’d welcome them all back. Last group of Bucs to really play with a chip on their shoulder.

  92. THETRUTH Says:

    Why replace grimes who is great player at this time and no issue for the same type player with little issues. WE WILL STILL BE IN NEED Another CORNER !!

    You don’t add by replacing

    KEEP GRIMES SIGN TALIB , now you got 2 solid CB

    I think it’s dumb when I hear Hargravea would have replace grimes if came along correctly. Wrong joe!! We still need another CB. YOU need 2 solid not 1 let’s understand that.

  93. Radman Says:

    If he gets cut I think it’s a good stop gap move. They shouldn’t give up anything to get him but cash.

  94. denjoe Says:

    We don’t have anything to lose? Trade them VH3 and try to get a draft pick from them, we have guys that can play nickel!

  95. Sierra048 Says:

    JB Says:

    Yet, I bet many of you voted for a racist, misogynistic, narcissistic, ignorant fool for president. Very few Americans should be playing the MORALS card

    Nope, not me . I proudly didn’t vote for the 8 year waste named obama.

  96. I Bleed Pewter and Red Says:



  97. godzilla13 Says:

    Sign Talib and re-sign Grimes. It buys the club two years so we can draft a pair of CB’s next year or the one after. In 2016 Talib was PFF’s best coverage defender. When Talib plays man coverage, he is the definition of a lockdown corner. He was also the only full-time starting cornerback not to allow a touchdown all season in 2016. Talib had another great year last year and yielded only .58 yards per snap in coverage, one INT, one FF and seven passes defended and it was considered an “off” year. How much change will there be if the Bucs sign him this year? Not much. Pay him the 12M this year and 8M the next. He easily has two very productive years left in him.

    Most interceptions by a Cornerback (2008-present)
    1. Aqib Talib: 34 (134 games)
    2. Brent Grimes: 33 (132 games)

    Interesting statistic. Combine Talib, Grimes and Hargreaves in the slot and the secondary is complete. In the first round of the draft I still like the play maker Safety Derwin James, out of Florida State. Here are some quotes on how special of a player James is. “Possibly the best defensive playmaker in the draft, James is the new NFL prototype as a safety capable of producing against the run or in both man and zone coverage. Florida State also used him as a pure edge rusher, where he regularly pressured the quarterback. PFF’s top-graded safety both as a true freshman in 2015 and as a junior in 2017”. “James leveled a 320 tackle for Miami in his first year, I knew he was special”. “He’s a top 5 lock in th draft next year. I think he’s even better than Jalen Ramsey”. “Sean Taylor 2.0 and he will instantly be the best safety in the NFL week 1 in 2018”. Drafting James along with a DE in round two would solidify the group into a “championship” caliper defense necessary to get to the playoffs and do some damage when they get there.