Eye-popping Numbers

November 10th, 2017

No one better.

When Joe saw this stat, he had to do a double-take and make sure someone didn’t spike his Diet Coke with Crown Royal.

Remember in “Hard Knocks,” when America’s Quarterback, Pro Bowler Jameis Winston, had a sitdown with winning Bucs coach Dirk Koetter and Koetter told him he was more Aaron Rodgers than Tom Brady? Joe thought that was ludicrous at first to compare Jameis to Rodgers, but then BSPN mined the numbers, and actually, when outside the pocket, Jameis’ numbers were nearly identical to Rodgers.

Well, just this week, BSPN’s NFL Matchup ran current numbers, and if you are a believer in quarterback ratings — regular readers know Joe is more than dubious about this stat — no one in the NFL has a better quarterback rating outside the pocket than Jameis. And it’s not even close.

Not Carson Wentz.

Not Russell Wilson.

Not Ben Roethlisberger.

None of ’em. Jameis is on top.

And folks want to run the guy out of town because he had a couple of bad games with a bum shoulder? The nerve!

90 Responses to “Eye-popping Numbers”

  1. Lamarcus Says:

    My goodness. We have a winner!!! Wentz is garbage

  2. Jim Says:

    Jameis and the under 25 year olds are the future of the Bucs. Dump the old players in the off season.

  3. Lamarcus Says:

    I have an idea. What if bruce arians get fired and we hired him as oc?

    Arians knows what he as a qb not no matt ryan or blaine gabbert

  4. FLBoyInDallas Says:

    Does that number really matter if a QB sucks inside the pocket? That’s the rating I really want to see. That’s where an NFL QB’s living is made. I bet those ratings are reversed and Brady is at the top and Winston much closer to the bottom if we look at the stats that matter most.

  5. briandorry55 Says:

    Pretty sure he’s led the league in this category since he entered the league. Extremely frustrating to watch him trying to stay in the pocket more and more. He’s deadly outside the pocket. Let him be Jameis.

  6. Joe Says:

    Does that number really matter if a QB sucks inside the pocket?

    BSPN had a graphic on that too. Jameis was neither in the top 10 nor the bottom five.

  7. westernbuc Says:

    Media working overtime to get rid of Dirk and Licht despite their quarterback having a bum shoulder, their defensive end having a bum shoulder, and their middle linebacker having a bum hamstring.

  8. SmokeymountainBucsfan Says:

    What about the only stat that matters at the end of the day? W’s & L’s

  9. NFLNut Says:


    ^ This stat is DAMNING for Dirk Koetter as if Jameis is THE BEST QB IN THE ENTIRE NFL OUTSIDE THE POCKET with a blistering 131.3 rating, why the heck doesn’t Koetter have him throwing from outside the pocket more often rather than trying to turn into statue-esque Matt Ryan and be a primarily pocket passer?

    The Bucs have the best out of the pocket QB in the entire NFL and the coach is trying to contain him to the pocket? That’s idiotic!


  10. Suck-a-neers SMH Says:

    Ugh.. let’s try to find stats that show JW isn’t inaccurate as all hell. Thus begins the search. Our team is a big terd. I quit watching this abortion a couple of weeks ago and my Sundays have been so much more enjoyable.

  11. DB55 Says:

    Old news I’ve been saying this for weeks if not months. You guys are slow but wtfdik?

  12. Topcoach_78 Says:

    You just cant see the forest for the trees huh? Smh just stop it man geeesh

  13. Clw JB Says:

    Been screaming for better plays for the young QB – move him around and pressure the D –

    My favorite Gruden quip- we don’t feel pressure on offense we apply pressure!!!!

    The HC loves the 20 yd pattern and JW is getting smashed – his risk taking makes the sack numbers look decent but our pass pro is pathetic much like our run O

    I don’t get what these coaches are watching on tape- no one else can see it either…

  14. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:

    NFLNut Says
    ‘…why the heck doesn’t Koetter have him throwing from outside the pocket more often… ”

    Because then Winston would never improve inside the pocket.

    Everyone forgets that part of Dirk’s job is to develop Winston. This means challenging him in his weak areas. Fans want everything now. Always. But in reality, things rarely work out that way.

  15. Nole4JabooANDdBucs Says:

    Anyone who has followed this kid knows Jameis was a scrambler, he also was a rusher and yes even QB sneaks and playing in the shot gun!

    All of those things that made him Fameis Jameis has been deleted from his use. I kept wondering where that fairy tale came from he was a pocket passer. Jameis is a playmaker, but Jaboo can’t play his game…so
    now he is tagged as inaccurate. Check his accuracy outside the pocket or scrambling.

    I guess DK was trying to protect him from injury? A lot of posters cringed
    when he first got to Tampa Bay when he would take off running. If you go back to when he was in high school he was considered fast, Dilfer stated that back then when he attended his camp!
    So again is it really Jameis or is it the remade JW?

    I like DK, but I really think Monk would be better for JW.

    Now JaBoo has only one wing…SMH

  16. Clw JB Says:

    Doug Pederson is a fifty times better OC than Dirk- watch his play calling, watch how he sets his young qb up with quick reads, how he runs consistently – oh and they went and got another good back to supplement the run game

    When Fitz came in at NO while still close he got killed too – at least Peyton got
    Some work, he is our best RB – Doug is done it appears after three weeks his spring step is GONE!

    The team is fading like a free T-shirt in hot water

  17. Nole4JabooANDdBucs Says:

    No problem with him being developed, but you have the critics who wants to distort the facts…JW is a playmaker who has been contained to improve in the pocket!

    Problem everyone wants him to be perfect and perform like a seasoned Vet , now!

  18. NFLNut Says:


    “When you watch Winston, you study Winston, you don’t realize how athletic he is. How much offense he creates. What a gunslinger he is. How exciting a player he is. And the command that he has. He can get up there and recognize the defense. He can communicate what he wants done and he has the talent to execute any play that is called. It’s that combination that excites me.” – JON “CHUCKY” GRUDEN, 2017 INTERVIEW


  19. MadMax Says:

    And how many of those yards were from fighting back in 3rd and 4th quarters when the opposing team were winning and their D slowed down a little?

    Oh well, guess we’re stuck with a slow starting QB who can only perform well when the D has taken their foot off the throat a little…figures this stat would excite some though.

  20. LUVMYBUCS Says:


    Nah don’t tell that bruh.
    Remember he’s only 23.


  21. David Says:

    I think this is a damning stat to the offensive line as well as Winston. As these play s from outside the pocket were made from necessity. Whether it be terrible pass protection or Winston holding the ball too long. He is not a mobile quarterback as most on that list are. So for him to have to move and run around, I don’t think that is the best thing. I mean look, that’s how he injured his shoulder.

  22. Defense Rules Says:

    More & more are finally starting to see where Jameis’ REAL strengths lie. Dirk has tried to keep him ‘contained’ in the pocket, most likely in the belief that Jameis would be better protected in there & less subject to injury. Ya I know, ‘How’d that work out for ya?” Bucs’ coaches did exactly the same thing to Josh Freeman IMO & he was never effective after that. Oh and Joe I think it’s humorous that NOW (in retrospect), you & others admit that Jameis has been playing with a bum shoulder. I remember a number of us saying several games ago that Jameis’ shoulder was hurt & they should sit him for a couple of games to let it heal up. But noooo … hopefully it’s nothing too serious at this point.

  23. NJBucsFan Says:

    Joe Says:
    November 10th, 2017 at 12:52 am
    Does that number really matter if a QB sucks inside the pocket?

    BSPN had a graphic on that too. Jameis was neither in the top 10 nor the bottom five.

    Nothing like striving for mediocrity.

  24. DislocatedBucsFan Says:


    For not believing in stats and hating on the PFF tribe your sure using them a bunch lately to justify/ protect Jameis. Let’s not go ostrich here people.

  25. LOLBuc Says:

    Been down on Jameis for a few weeks now, but looking back to his best game this year, against Buffalo, that pass he made to Mike Evans for the go ahead score was unreal. It was from outside the pocket. Too bad the D shat a big turd 40 seconds later.

  26. Big Stinky Says:

    Wentz and Dak are right behind him with a year LESS experience, that says a lot. How about where the three of them rank from inside the pocket, where it matters MOST? Timing routes are what matter since that is what you practice ALL the time. Oh wait, he is inaccurate so that is definitely NOT going to be good. Wentz leads the NFL with 23 TD’s and Winston ONLY has 10, now that’s a stat Joe. He can ALSO score inside the 10 yard line, something JW struggles with. Get a new GM in here (McKay) PRONTO! That way he can decide who the BEST player is in the Draft next year, even if it’s a QB. Winston NEEDS some competition, he hasn’t had to fight for his job since he got here. From NOW on I want the BEST available players coming out of the Draft, PERIOD! Licht has wasted 4 years bringing in quitters, losers, malcontents, and players that just aren’t that good. Time to start filling this TEAM with playmakers. Get rid of JL and some of the scouts too since they can’t EVALUATE talent to save their jobs. I am tired of rebuilding ALREADY! It’s been 10 years and we STILL have NEEDS at almost EVERY position. RIDICULOUS!!!!

  27. Bob in Valrico Says:

    @ defense rules
    Believe there a good number of times that both Fitz and Jameis have tried
    to slide sideways out of the pocket and were tackled immediately. Also saw times
    planned rollouts fizzled ,but the two to OJ were good calls by Koetter and execution by Jameis. Better blocking would make these plays more efficient.
    But I gotta say there few better at extending the plays from outside the pocket than Russell Wilson,but the injuries have caught up to him the last few years.

  28. LUVMYBUCS Says:

    Truly Eye Opening

    J. Winston 1st Half
    • %Completions: 56.5% || 78/138 || Ranks 30th
    • Touchdowns Passes: 3 || Ranks 27th

    Piss Poor Right? Bottom of the League

    J. Winston 2nd Half
    • %Completions: 66.9% || 81/121 || Ranks 6th
    • Touchdowns Passes: 7 || Ranks 9th

    Great! A Top Ten QB

  29. Bob in Valrico Says:

    Also have to add Aaron Rogers to that list of QB’s good at escaping the pocket
    that have suffered a series of injuries.
    Chances are good that if he plays better out of the pocket it will extend his career.

  30. Says:

    What are the metrics for Wins Outside The Pocket?
    2 – that’s all that matters
    They have trotted JW out there hurt for a month to avoid Fitz going out there and exposing the ineffectiveness of JW
    All it takes is a re-enactment if the Drama In The Desert with Fitz racking up first downs and touchdowns for the GM to be on the hot seat

  31. Bird Says:

    I heard in the first minute of the second quarter of games where the temperature is between 80 and 85 degrees that Jameis ‘s QBR rating is so high, the experts think he is not human

    The nerve. I agree with other poster The Joe’s badmouth stats all the time until it suits them.

    Sure. I like it when they roll Jameis out. No question. Clear as day he makes plays. However. The oline is good at pass blocking. (Terrible at run blocking ). He has time to throw ball

    Just like yesterday’s comments that they shouldn’t throw to a wide open receiver way down the field for a sure TD cause of Jameis downfield accuracy troubles. (Dunk and dunk).

    Classic. This has become a cartoon website. Very funny indeed.

  32. Evolvingbucfan Says:

    Ha ha, these articles about the upside is horrible and i find kind of humorous, in a sick way, it’s comparable to watching your puppy getting killed and then someone going on and on about how great the dog was right after.

    Just me, carry on. lol.

  33. firethecannons Says:

    Jameis has been shoulder dived into the turf numerous times this season thanks to trying to stay in pocket–with this success he should be out running bootleg like R. Wilson. This is Koetters fault–he is as directly responsible as much as #76 D. Smith. The plays should focus on Jameis attributes and stop forcing the ball downfield a zillion yards to DJax who is on the sideline. Honestly–how Koetter cant take more responsibilty is beyond my comprehension.

  34. PRBucFan Says:

    We will see soon enough if all the off target passes are to do with a his bum shoulder.

  35. AlteredEgo Says:


  36. bucster Says:

    Jameis also leads the league in most fingers licked.

  37. Not there yet Says:

    Useless stat especially since his coach doesn’t try and call plays that work to his strength. What’s the minimum about of passes 5? Stats without substance. His coach makes him stay in the pocket so he simply looks inaccurate. Weird how he and Josh Freeman were ok quarters until they stopped running the ball when a play breaks down

  38. Bob in Valrico Says:

    Good post Bonzai. About Koetter being tasked to develope Jameis. No NFL QB
    can run the hurry up or moving the pocket all the time which a lot of people
    call for frequently. I think pocket passing is the base which other plays can be worked in much like the running game.
    As LUV’s statistics pointed out,Jameis has to play better in the first half.This
    is not new he struggled in the first half in quite a few games in 2016 also.
    As far as playing through the injury that has not been helpful.The blame probably rests on both Jameis for saying he is good to go and Koetter for
    not just saying No.

  39. Says:

    Spin of the laces.
    Irma impacted this team. Swaggy threw in the towel before the season started because of no bye. Check his Social Media. He was a great team leader who just couldn’t handle the heat

    Guys grinding through injuries. U think gmcs ankle is ok? Because he had a Thursday night game rebound to walk it off? All these guys are hurt

    Just grind out the season.

    See what we have in Godwin, Barber, and the young rooks on D

    Take a good hard look at Fitz’s production vs Overall #1

    Everyone keeps his job

    Try again in 2018

    Fitz is the second coming of Brad Johnson

    Champs in 18 you heard it here first

    GO BUCS!!!!

  40. MadMax Says:

    Whats up Luv?

    Now theres a stat! Something isnt right with others not seeing it or denying its existence, but its there. Ive seen it throughout the games I watch. Dont get me wrong, I wont take away from him, the dropped passes that were on target (maybe 20%), usually from stone hands ME13. But the time to really figure out that he’s just not as good as stats say he is are over.

    Can he fix this? I hope. I dont want to see another wasted 1st rounder, especially on QB….and sure as he!! dont want to see him go all out josh freefree. But a 2nd or 3rd rounder next draft or 2019 may be needed to light a fire under him (maybe even a 1st in 2019), before we make another massive $$$ contract mistake.

  41. Big Stinky Says:


    Nice job on those stats you posted! That tells MORE of the story about Winston. How many 30+ point games has Wentz had in 24 starts vs. JW’s 40 starts? That is a stat I would REALLY like to see. I bet he (Wentz) has MORE already!

  42. Evolvingbucfan Says:

    bucster Says:
    November 10th, 2017 at 7:32 am
    Jameis also leads the league in most fingers licked.


  43. LUVMYBUCS Says:

    @MadMax – Yo! Whatz good brotha

    @Big Stinky – Respect

  44. Joseph Mamma Says:

    So basically Jameis is Aaron Rodgers outside the pocket is what you’re saying. Too bad he is like Byron Leftwiche in the pocket.

  45. AlteredEgo Says:

    Jameis is Trent Dilfer with a personality

  46. 813bucboi Says:

    Buccaneer Bonzai Says:
    November 10th, 2017 at 4:15 am
    Everyone forgets that part of Dirk’s job is to develop Winston.

    and he’s currently failing miserably…GO BUCS!!!

  47. Bucsmissingsack Says:

    “Couple of bad games” hilarious

  48. DoNUTS Says:

    The majority of outside the pocket plays are broken plays rarely ever planned play calls. The NFL is a pocket passer league; its been a while since Mike Vick and Cunningham since DEF speed has changed the game in that respect. I like the JW positivity but he has a lot of work to do on his game if he will be the QB that turns this team around. Can we start with planting the feet when throwing? Please! Basic.

    Look for Fitz to light up the Jets. I think JW injury might help him grow a little by watching from sideline. Hopefully, he wont fall into the sulk trap as nobody wants to see that right now. Time for team.
    I got my popcorn and will be watching…Go Bucs.

  49. FR Says:

    2-6 only stat I am looking for is a W

  50. DoNUTS Says:

    Technically, Mike Bajakian is the QB coach and it is his job to develop JW. I think Koetter dealing with HC responsibilities has been part of the problem and hurt the process. He is partly responsible.

  51. Buc1987 Says:

    The o-line is garbage.

    That is all.

  52. DoNUTS Says:

    FR Agreed.

    A WIN fixes the vibe. We have been doing two-a-day practices for about 10 years as Buc fans….lol

    Go Bucs!

  53. Buc1987 Says:

    Some of the stats you people are looking for are cherry picking yourself. Who’s W-L record is it? Jameis Winston’s or The Tampa bay Buccaneers W-L record as if the HORRIBLE D has nothing to do with any of it or the kicking game as well.

    Wentz has more 30 points or more games? Really? He did that all by himself? No INT’s from Philly’s his D to set him up? Wentz kicked those FG’s too?


  54. DoNUTS Says:


    No doubt its been a TEAM effort in the losses. The article above is about Jameis so it gets polarized automatically. His poor play has been a part of the problem.

  55. Buc1987 Says:

    I’ll tell ya what if JW’s a bust. Us fans may as well never pay attention to this team for the next forever. Cause they’ll never get it right. He could possibly end up being one no matter how hard he tries.

    He was drafted by the same guy that took Roberto in the 2nd and VHG in the FIRST!

    Let’s not forget Justin Evans, and all the RB’s that were all over the last draft. ASJ anyone?

    There’s where I’m at. When they win they win. Just like back in the 80’s when I became a fan. I never expected this team to win. Ever. I’m going back to that. It’s much easier that way. I’m just a Bucs fan…laugh at me all you want…I’m used to it.

  56. Buc1987 Says:

    Beotch about Gruden.

    Beotch about Raheem.

    Beotch about Schiano.

    Beotch about Lovie.

    Beotch about Koetter.

    Beotch about the next coach…

    Wash, rinse and repeat.

    Why bother anymore???

  57. D-Rome Says:

    You need to have a run game in order to create good passing opportunities outside of the pocket. Drug Martin and Charles “Gregory Hines” Sims haven’t been any help.

  58. wewantgruden Says:

    Cmon Joe. You are putting lipstick on a pig.

  59. AlteredEgo Says:

    Joe’s QB infatuation’s
    Johnny Manziel
    Aimless Winston

  60. Mike Johnson Says:

    Who cares about Numbers? The only numbers that matter are WINS. Like I ‘ve said countless times, I’d rather have an average QB with a great Defense who can stop people than have a QB who throws for thousands of yards and got no victories to show for it. See Jameis throw for 800 yrds. Now see the other team..WIN. DEFENSE PEOPLE!!!

  61. Lakeland Says:

    All of these stats and they’re still 2-6

  62. Wausa Says:

    The problem with the fans that want to run Jameis out of town is that they are idiots.

  63. StPeteBucsFan Says:

    I don’t think ANYBODY…not Jameis…not Joe…not most JBF posters…believes #3 is anywhere near a finished product. But he’s been very hard working and has improved each off season.

    And so what amuses me is Joe or one of our better posters will put up actual stats…as #3’s actual completion %…or as Joe just did his performance outside the pocket…or the two 4,000 yard seasons…the Jameis haters go apoplectic in trying to deny REALITY!!! It gets funny actually.

  64. Syl Says:

    I hope they trade Jameis before this franchise wrecks him. I would never resign with this franchise. Every QB has been better once they left this QB killer of a franchise. You turn a whole franchise leadership to a 21 year old kid. Your defense sucked for the whole 1st half of last season. Got better at the 2nd half of the season, and for some reason thought they would get better. They sucked for years and the anomaly was they got better those games. They just went back to the mean. The offensive line has been bad for years and somehow they thought it would get better. They had a chance to draft a RB in the 2nd round, but not this franchise. They stayed with a mediocre running back with a coach that doesn’t like to run. The franchise is a joke.

  65. TouchDownTampaBay Says:

    Jesus Bonzai, practice is where you develop your QBs. You don’t throw him into game situations and not play to his strengths. Think before you start typing. Why do you think these other young QBs who are not as good as Jameis are succeeding. Because their coaches aren’t asking them to do much and playing to the strengths that they currently have.

    LOL, here is how this convesatio would go: Glazers and Licht “Why are we we so predictable on offense?” Dirk “Well hey guys I am developing JW!” Glazers “but we are losing!” Dirk “doesn’t matter though because I am developing JW!” Glazers “nobody is showing up for the games though!” Dirk “not my problem I am developing JW!” Glazers “YOU’RE FIRED!”

  66. Erik w/ Clean Athletics 'The Kwon Alexander of Bucs fans' Says:

    It’s weird, but I feel like being flushed out of the pocket forces Jameis out of his head and he can just ‘feel’ the right throw to make.

    Why is our coaching too dumb to realize that Jameis is way more accurate throwing on the run???

    Where’s the intentional QB movement/rollouts, Koetter??

    Either give the playcalling duties to Monken or I want Gruden.

  67. Erik w/ Clean Athletics 'The Kwon Alexander of Bucs fans' Says:


    I’d say those other young QB’s are more successful than Jameis right now bcuz they are making (successfully executing) most of the basic throws that any NFL QB should be able throw accurately 9 times out of 10.

    Jameis isn’t throwing strikes at a high rate this year. Too many balls

  68. AlteredEgo Says:

    “Why is our coaching too dumb to realize that Jameis is way more accurate throwing on the run???”…Jameis is wired to flush himself out of the pocket…rather than standing in and allowing the pocket to work…he is too impatient….2 great examples this year were Manning and Brady …feeling the pressure and how the pocket was unfolding….stepping a few quick steps throwing to the spot or away….

  69. Jim Says:

    What, 2 and 6, right? Great stat,..thanks.

  70. LongSeason Says:

    Jameis injury is one problem. It looked to be bothering him since Buffalo. Should have been sitting rather than making it worse. Koetter should have done the right thing to preserve Jameis for the long haul. Instead, he did not protect Jameis from Jameis. I know Winston wanted to be out there. With it apparent that Jameis was struggling, why did Koetter leave Jameis in? Selfish need to save his own coaching skin. He was willing to wreck Jameis to save his own ass. Koetter is a real prick. Say goodbye Dirk the jerk.

  71. wewantgruden Says:

    Here is a real stat from ESPN’s website:
    Jameis Winston QBR: 39.4
    Ryan Fitzpatrick QBR: 55.5

    Another one:
    JW Wonderlic: 27
    Ryan Fitzpatrick: 48

    **Looks like we FINALLY have the right guy on the field.

  72. wewantgruden Says:

    Here is another GREAT stat(s):
    10 of the top 12 teams on the take-away/give-away stats are headed to the playoffs.
    JameisNOT has turned it over a total of 8 times this year (6 picks 2 lost fumbles)…..we would be in the top 12 if he would have cut that in half (4 total). Also keep in mind that he fumbled the ball a total of 8 times, so 6 times we recovered but ended up with huge negative yardage plays.
    Net/Net: He is the reason why we are 2-6.
    Bam!!! I deliver the real stats!!!

  73. Lakeland Says:

    2017 Los Angeles Rams

    Average age: 25.09 (2nd in NFL)

    Age of QB: 23

    Age of HC: 31

    Age of GM: 46

    6-2 1st in NFC West

    The Bucs are running out of excuses

  74. Buc1987 Says:

    “Looks like we FINALLY have the right guy on the field.”

    Oh yes I see the light now….


  75. Syl Says:

    Peyton Manning scored a 28. Drew Brees had the same score as Jameis. Russel Wilson had the same score. Please trade Jameis from this horrible franchise.

  76. Lakeland Says:

    The Bucs will not win with Fitz or any other QB. The Bucs biggest problem is neglecting the trenches. They refuse to draft quality linemen on the D-Line and O-Line. What good is spending high draft picks on QB,WR,TE,CB,S,RB, when you suck in the trenches?

  77. Lakeland Says:

    Everything start up front

  78. SteelStudBuc Says:

    Does this stat lead to wins? No. It does not.
    Westside Crab Legs needs to shut his mouth and stop talking so much. For a university educated person he can’t even speak English properly.

  79. SteelStudBuc Says:

    Throw into triple coverage and hang receivers out to dry…. when guys are open underneath routes he completely doesn’t even see them.

  80. SteelStudBuc Says:

    Who wants to eat a W… not this team

  81. Big Stinky Says:


    I am NOT on the JW bandwagon but I don’t think he is the SOLE reason we are sitting at 2-6 right now either. Dirk did have him playing better than last year before he got hurt but he STILL is NOT a franchise QB. We should be 4-4 or 5-3 right now but for one reason or another we lost 3 games we could have won. I am NOT on the #FireKoetter train (yet) because the players he has are NOT that good at doing their job.

    Licht is the one that SHOULD be fired ASAP! Get a new GM in here to EVALUATE what this TEAM needs from next years Draft as soon as possible. It is obvious that Jason has ONLY brought a handful of decent players to this TEAM in 4 years. How much longer should we give him anyway? This TEAM has holes at almost EVERY position which is ridiculous. How can we lack SO much talent after rebuilding for the last 10 years. I could write a whole paragraph on ALL the mistakes he has made since he got here. Drafting Evans and Winston should NOT save his job and I bet the Glazers feel the same way. #LetLichtGo

  82. Big Stinky Says:


    Nice job on the Rams stats Brother! I guess Goff and Wentz are BOTH better than Winston and Mariotta. We had the No.1 pick a year too early I guess. That’s the story of the Bucs franchise for MOST of the last 40 years. How do we NOT just get lucky with ONE of those Top Draft picks and get a REAL QB? #LetLichtGo

  83. Syl Says:

    @SteelStudBuc Who is open underneath? Last year he spread the ball around a lot to Humphries and Brate while hitting Evans a lot. I never see receivers flash open underneath because they don’t run short patterns. They cant turn the ball therefore they should use short passes to substitute for the run game. It will then open up the longer patterns and the intermediate routes in which he is really good. It will also take pressure off the o-line. But Tampa problem is they are constantly in 3 and long situations because of penalties and bad play calling. I can watch the game and actually call their plays before they even go to the line. When Koetter is calling the play. The only time I cant figure out what they are doing is when they are in hurry up and Jameis is calling the plays. You have a mediocre coach. Bruce Arians will be available or Todd Bowles. I do like Licht and I can get him sticking with Smith, but Koetter has to go.

  84. wewantgruden Says:


    It is good to hear from someone on this blog that actually knows what they are talking about. Other than @lakeland most of these clowns are FSU homers that have no clue about NFL football. One of them Lordcorn actually drafter JameisNOT on his fantasy football team. Just plain dumb.
    @buc1987: I have socks older than you and your pops should have used one for load that produced you.

  85. Mike Johnson Says:

    You are Spot on there LakeLand. Bucs think you can fill in their fronts with 3rd thru 7th round picks. And we see the results. We do not have any Hogs up front offensively nor do we have any mean badas… on our defensive line either.

  86. Big Stinky Says:

    We have wasted the last 3 years trying to develop an inaccurate QB when we had virtually the same thing in Glennon. I know MOST of the posters on JBF hated him but his stats were BETTER than JW’s in their first 18 1/2 games. Only a little bit better but STILL better just the same. The right move in 2015 would have been to trade the No.1 pick for extra Draft picks and we would have had 2 No.1 picks in 2016 when the REAL QB’s came out. Then we could have traded up if we wanted to replace Glennon after starting in 2015. He deserved a chance to compete for the starting job but Lovie gave Winston the keys to the Kingdom. I guarantee there were at LEAST 5 players that came out in 2015 that ARE better than JW and we could have traded out of the No.1 and STILL got one of them. #LetLichtGo

  87. Arealbucsfan Says:

    U guys are a bunch of whiners. JW can still have a lot of success in this league. I didn’t care for the “Weapons for Winston” crap. I wanted to get him an o-line and some running backs and better play calling. I’m tired of this 4 vertical offense Koetter is obsessed with. Now we’ll need to focus on both lines this off season

  88. PRBucFan Says:

    Yup I suppose we should just settle for mediocrity like clearly some of you have become accustomed to.

  89. NMBucsFan Says:

    So he does well in hurry up and outside the pocket…. good thing that’s what got called so much the last two games…. oh wait…. coach “my scheme” part deux strikes again….. the guy who compares his offense to one with Demarco murray, derrick Henry and marcus mariota….

  90. DoNUTS Says:

    Fans who can’t deal with other fans offering critical analysis of the Buc QB play by #3 are being bad fans. Grow a pair its not personal. We care about this team much like u and may just differ in some of our opinion while also sharing common ground. I am sure we all agree the DEF is bad. My opinion is been pretty critical of JW but he needs to play his contract out like any first time Pro, which includes next year with 5th team option. I understand the emotions of those with the pitchforks; they are hungry to eat a W. If Fitz brings a W, Buc fans will begin to heal a little.