The Morning After

October 2nd, 2017

All smiles from Bucs. (Photo courtesy of

Joe is still buzzing over a win that should be more impressive than the score.

1. Yes, there is more to yesterday’s win than the score. Yes, the Bucs beat a winless team in the Giants. How the Giants have a goose egg for wins is beyond Joe. This team has talent, led by a two-time Super Bowl-winning quarterback who likely will be in the Hall of Fame someday. Throw in the fact the Giants have serious weapons at receiver and some slobber-knockers on defense, it’s a mystery how the Giants yet to have a win. But Joe thinks that the win for the Bucs is much bigger than Nick Folk hitting a late field goal for the victory. We all, as football fans, have it drummed in our heads how if you win the turnover battle, your odds are much greater to win. Now there is all sorts of evidence this is overblown, but the theory is that a turnover can lead to a score, thus being the difference in the game. Well, the Bucs choked away 11 points yesterday and still won. You rarely see that. Folk was responsible for seven points left on the field and the Bucs offense was responsible for four points. After having a 1st-and-goal at the half-yard line, inexplicably, winning Bucs coach Dirk Koetter decided to try a pitch play to Jacquizz Rodgers and the play blew up in Koetter’s face. So for the Bucs to give up a lead largely because of leaving points on the field, and rallying to win, is big in Joe’s eyes.

2. If Joe had to pick an MVP of the defense after three games, it’s a slam-dunk: Brent Grimes. Think about it, basically the Bucs had the same defensive personnel on the field Sunday as they did for much of the game in Minneapolis where they were shredded by Joe Montana Case Keenum. Sunday, the Bucs were facing Eli Manning. Monster difference. But the lone difference on the Bucs defense? Grimes. (And no, Joe isn’t counting Chris Baker’s return.) Yesterday’s defense compared to the defense last week against the Vikings was night-and-day. It was as if two different teams played. And Joe believes that is because Grimes played. He went up against one of the better wide receivers the game has ever seen, Odell Beckham, and largely, Grimes kept Beckham in check, which is no small order. Joe will have more on this later but there are few players who make a bigger impact on their team than Grimes.

3. Yes, Jameis had a nice game yesterday, finished off with a perfect five-for-five performance on the final game-winning drive. But there were two plays that jumped out at Joe that were, on face value, forgettable and nondescript, but in reality were huge. Once was in the third quarter. Jameis dropped back to pass and was rushed. Normally, Jameis would try to play hero and force a desperation pass but instead, standing near the left hashmark, Jameis turned to his right and whipped the ball out of bounds about 15 feet in the air. Then in the fourth quarter, Jameis took a sack rather than push a stunt like he did in the preseason at Jacksonville. To Joe, these two plays were huge. You know, live to fight another down? This tells Joe that perhaps, Koetter’s lectures about taking care of the football may finally be sinking in. And that may be the biggest takeaway from the win, that the young franchise quarterback is starting to get it. You know, maturing?

4. Props to Adarius Glanton, who played as if he were a savvy veteran of many starts. Injuries to Lavonte David and Kwon Alexander had Glanton starting at strongside linebacker. Smartly, the Giants decided to test Glanton. It was the wrong move. In the seven non-punting snaps the Giants had in the first quarter, Glanton had four tackles. Let’s just say Glanton made himself some cash last night. Glanton is a restricted free agent after the season.

5. What was that? Joe thinks some fans bellyaching about playcalls is way overblown. Generally, coaches are trying to attack an area of the defense where they identify a weakness, or a position on the field that can be exploited.  It’s something few fans have access to or notice with the naked eye. Yesterday? Wow! When Koetter called for a pitchout to Jacquizz Rodgers on first down with the ball on the half-inch line, Joe couldn’t believe his eyes. Rodgers was tackled for a two-yard loss. Why in the world would any coach call a play like that much less a smart guy like Koetter? Joe could understand if the Bucs still had Warrick Dunn in his prime or maybe Barry Sanders or perhaps Walter Payton. This just in: Rodgers is nothing like any of those guys.

Trinkets: Vernon Hargreaves, who had a shaky game last week, bounced back big time with nine tackles and a pass defended. … Fan favorite Chris Conte had seven tackles and he wasn’t substituted in the second half very much after Keith Tandy hurt his hip and T.J. Ward not dressing because of a hip, as well. Conte had to suck it up just about the entire second half and he did a yeoman’s job. … Joe was lobbying for more Peyton Barber last week since he seemed to be the only consistently average back in limited snaps. Well, yesterday Barber ran twice and gained a total of two yards, one yard per carry. … Jameis is now 2-4 in his last 19 games when passing more than 35 times in a game. He also notched his fourth career fourth-quarter comeback. … O.J. Howard’s first NFL touchdown yesterday sure looked a whole lot like his touchdown last January in Alabama’s loss to Clemson in the national championship game in Tampa. … Joe has to wonder if Folk missed that game-winning field goal, if he would still be employed by the Bucs today? After all, the Bucs booted a second-round pick for less.

70 Responses to “The Morning After”

  1. Midnightstroker1 Says:

    Quit smiling on to the next game. You got the pats in three days.

  2. Dusthty Rhothdes Says:

    No clue who is out there Kicking wise, but I think they need to bring in somebody to be more consistent than that on sunday

  3. Oj "I Got The Juice" Howard Says:

    All Im going to say is that the linebacker depth is incredible. People on here live to rag on LICHT but drafted Beckwith when he did was sneaky genius. Who would have thought our 3rd round rotational linebacker would be making more impact than our 2nd round pass rusher? Not me.

  4. Bucamania Says:

    Sorry, VH3 did not have a good game. Those 9 tackles came when he had to tackle a guy after giving up easy 10 yard completions. He also missed a couple tackles on BMarsh for first downs. He needs to step up. What was the QB rating against him yesterday? I’d bet 145 again.

  5. buddy Says:

    Grimes had an all pro day. But McCoy set the tone with his smashmouth football.

  6. AlteredEgo Says:

    Brent Grimes is a sticky spider-man….man he must have really been something in his prime….

  7. tnew Says:

    Thanks for calling out the play call on the goal line, but as critical as I am of some of Koetter’s schemes, this one I’m not sure about. Can’t wait to watch that on game film but not only was it a curious play call. On the broadcast it looked like the play was initially blocked pretty well but Rodgers looked undecided about whether to run for the pylon or turn it up. At least he didn’t put Sims in there to run between the tackles I guess. I know it was super difficult but Brate usually makes that catch on third too. Not sure why no run/pass option for Winston on one of the three downs.

  8. Gencoimports Says:

    Barry Sanders was often pulled in goal line situations for a reason. I don’t care who was in the backfield. You don’t call pitchouts like that when you are at the one foot line. When you are that close, try a QB sneak/dive instead.

  9. LocalJoker Says:

    Amazing that nobody mentions Marpet’s snapping the ball. Disaster waiting to happen!

  10. meh Says:

    The play where Winston threw it out of bounds under pressure was even better than you described, joe. Winston, under tons of pressure, had the brains to move out of the pocket before chucking it out of bounds. If he hadn’t it would have been a penalty. Ball at the spot of the foul and loss of down.

  11. meh Says:

    Yes, LocalJoker, the Marpet at center experiment is not working. Marpet’s gone from a very high level performer at guard to a guy that makes me tense up in fear every time he snaps.

  12. AlteredEgo Says:

    Hey…I was listening on the radio…were there any blitzes by the Bucs D ?…

  13. Dreambig Says:

    That pitch on the goal line was just not a good idea. Why in the world would you throw the ball 9 yards backwards to start that play when you are on the goal line? It was like a self imposed penalty. Jameis should have been doing a QB sneak, which for some reason doesnt seem to be in our playbook. Jameis is a big man and there wasnt far to go for a TD.

  14. BucFamous Says:

    VH3 looked lost and got embarrassed on multiple plays—I’m not sure what game y’all were watching…

  15. WyomingBucsFan Says:

    Do all team’s have a lot of little female dogs as fans? Bucs beat a very talented team Sunday. Enjoy the ride bucs fans because that is how it goes in the NFL. It’s a battle to the death most every week. Every player is a warrior and you got to love it!

  16. CautiousOptimism Says:

    People keep asking for blitzes but they don’t exist in a vacuum. HOFers like Manning and Brady are going to cut your heart out on a blitz. They make you pay, especially when you cannot get pressure on your 43 base 4 man rush. Blitz with an already effective rush is usually when you can do it. If you blitz Manning or Brady out of desperation in order to gin up pressure you are looking to get your stinkhole abused.

  17. Pa Privateer Says:

    @ Joe or anyone

    Evans logged snaps at safety yesterday. I didn’t get to see all of the game, how did he do?

    How about them LBs!!!!!

  18. The Buc Realist Says:

    First off, Its good to hear that the one “Joe” was able to walk down from “the ledge”!!!!! those steps can be slippery!!!!!!!

    The replacement LB are planning well for what they are asking them to do!!!! Even though it severely limits the defensive playbook and blitzes!!!! But in the vanilla scheme they are forced to run, they were playing the pass assignments and run just fine!!!!!!!!!

    The great news right now is that the Bucs are 2-1 and nothing is really clicking!!!!!!! if any side of the ball right now can start getting in sync, we will see a run!!!!!!!

    As for this morning, I hope all the bi-polar fans have taken their medicine,,,, or at least have changed their screen name once again!!!!!!! LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Go Bucs!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  19. WyomingBucsFan Says:

    The coaches put evans in at free in the fourth quarter. I think they see him as a guy that can make a play on the ball on the back end and brings a aggressive nature to the defense in the fourth.

  20. AlteredEgo Says:

    CO….I wasn’t calling for blitz…I asked if there were any called…didn’t sound like it from the play by play and I wouldn’t expect they’d be any called with 2 missing LB’s….read the lines …not in between them

  21. Pick6 Says:

    @localjoker. Yes, marpet’s snapping played a role in derailing any shot at a comeback last week and I hope it improves before it costs the offense in key situations.

  22. nate_tweetz Says:

    I HATE the pitch play. It rarely works and the only time we seem to use it is on short 3rd down plays and on the goal line. The worst time to use a pitch play in my opinion because everyone is closer to the line of scrimmage. I remember Gruden used to do that all the time too, and it used to drive me crazy! Please Dirk, take the pitch play off your play-calling sheet.

  23. D-Rome Says:

    The Bucs looked like a 6-10 football team for too many minutes during that game.

  24. CautiousOptimism Says:

    Altered- it sure sounded like a complaint in the form of a question. If it wasn’t then fine, I didn’t address you directly so don’t assume my comments were directed at you. Read the lines, not in between them.
    No observable blitzes last night. Probably not a mistake.

  25. NewTampaChris Says:

    Complaining about a win is in the category of “good problems to have.” But I do not feel like a winner today. Zero pass rush against the league’s worst offensive line. An offense that should be scoring in the 30’s unable to get out of the teens. A QB whose accuracy is suspect.

    I thought the Bucs had the kind of team that would allow them to HAMMER teams like the Giants at home.

  26. The Buc Realist Says:

    I know they brought 6 at one point, ( it was the double A) when they bring both LB and they were stoned at the line of scrimmage, no one came close, and Eli hit a pretty big play!!!!!!!

  27. WyomingBucsFan Says:

    They blitzed a lot. You people are so clueless. Watch the fricken game for the love of God!

  28. Pickgrin Says:

    I wondered why Justin Evans was getting so many snaps in the 4th Q. He didn’t do anything to stand out negatively so I guess he did OK. Need to rewatch more closely and try to assess how he’s looking under fire.

    Hargreaves was fine. He’s getting there. Big improvement over last week. Grimes is the man!

    Back-up LBers did a great job!

    Man – that pass rush – WOOF

    Good game by Winston!

    Sure handed Brate dropped 2 easy catches but made up for it late in the game.

    The design and execution of that TD pass to a WIDE open OJ Howard was a thing of beauty.

    We left too many points on the field but managed a win against a pretty good team (despite their record). I’ll take it!


  29. WyomingBucsFan Says:

    Does anyone actually watch the play on the field or what? I don’t get it. I saw multiple blitzes coming from the front 7 all game. Maybe I’m watching a different game in alternate universe.

  30. sorryitriggeredyou Says:

    I think Barber gets the cut when Dougie comes back. Hopefully goes to practice squad. I think he can really do some damage if given more than 2 snaps. Koetter has an amazingly awful and amazingly inspired game calling plays. Hope we get his best on Thursday.

  31. sorryitriggeredyou Says:

    But Quizz looks really good. He and Hamster could be a great 1 – 2 with Sims. Things are looking up for these bucs.

  32. DallasBuc Says:

    Can someone in the media please ask Licht about the state of this pass rush? I bet he throws Mike Smith under the bus.

  33. Love and Warrick Dunn Says:

    A win is a win. 2-1 with a hurricane and all sorts of headaches. It certainly hasn’t been pretty.

    Here’s to an explosive Doug Martin coming out next week. If we get good Doug, this could make this offense what it’s supposed to be.

    The LB coach needs a raise, BTW.

  34. DallasBuc Says:

    Joe has already answered this. Your comments, more than once in a while, are malicious and inaccurate attacks at the credibility of Therefore, Joe is forced to babysit your comments. Joe doesn’t come to your place of business (and wouldn’t consider it) to misrepresent what you say or write. It’s really that simple. Of course there is censorship here. You know why? Because Joe is responsible (legally and otherwise) for every single word written on this website. –Joe

  35. Chucklehead Says:

    Lol. I love how some of you guys say you will watch it on game pass and assess the plays/ players like your assessment is part of your job responsibilities and the boss is waiting on a report before next weeks game.

    Jeez. Just enjoy the win.

  36. DallasBuc Says:

    The evidence is obvious and Joe has even made many efforts to explain. How many times have you written about the “JBF agenda” (which doesn’t exist)? And that’s just one example. You don’t get to ascribe motives here to Joe’s writing, and you do that repeatedly. That’s malicious, especially since about all of your ascribed motives are slanted negatively. Really can’t afford to invest time on this. You have also misrepresented Joe’s clear words and directly attacked the host with inaccuracies stated as fact. Joe has highlighted those for you previously. Appreciate your passion, but Joe cannot take time to babysit comments no matter who they belong to. –Joe

  37. Kobe Faker Says:

    Jameis winston development…

    Agreed with the 2not joes that mentally and emotionally, Jameis has taken a step foward…

    I still wish jameis and koetter has a goto play when the defense blitz (#FREEOJSTOCKER)

    every year All teams have flaws and always need holes/weaknesses plugged and of course the dreaded injuries….but it is the franchise QB that will hide those flaws/holes and take the team on his shoulder to victory….

    Jameis is getting closer

    Kobe Faker

  38. NOSBOS Says:

    It will never pretty with us. We Swashbucklers,that’s grit life.

  39. orlbucfan Says:

    Still a little stunned. NO WAY you give another NFL team 8 points (2 missed FGs and PAs), and win. Defensive MVPs: Grimes and GMC. Game MVP: Bucs offense. I’ve been a Cardiac Bucs fan for like forever, but I could not listen to the last few minutes. DK has got to be at the TOP of his OC game Thursday. He’s facing Beli-cheat. The Bucs offense is ready. We getting any of the walking wounded back for this game? The refs will be doing a class on non-calls, just watch. Go Bucs (somehow)!!!

  40. WyomingBucsFan Says:

    This VH3 guy, I call him baby Deion. He is struggling a bit so far and he knows it. My take is that he is in position to make a play on the ball but is just a half a second late. When he puts it together and he will, then look out! The other cat who has been hated on to much is number 25. For some reason he cant play the ball in the air like he does so beautifully on kickoffs and punts. I think he is going to surprise a lot of you as the season progresses. This guy has had 2 game changing plays already this year on kick coverage. Unfortunately he gave up 2 playing on defense.

  41. Blake_bucsfan Says:

    Brent Grimes is clearly still the best Corner we have and deserves all the credit you’ve given him in this article is warranted.

    But going deliberately out of your way to discount the impact that Chris Baker clearly and evidently makes to our Defensive line in regards to the running game is just silly.

    Especially considering that he and McCoy were the only 2 Dlineman to even breath on Eli yesterday, no doubt we are better with Baker than without.

    Please stop blindly hating on the guy when he is obviously an asset.

  42. 813bucboi Says:

    don’t know where all this VHG hate is coming from be he played solid….he was matched up with BM and ODJ….those 2 aren’t cupcakes….he made a couple good plays on the ball against his match up with ODB that prevented him from catching the ball and the same with BM…the kid had 9 tackles and a PD…Grimes had 5 tackles 3 PD’s….

    yall acting like VHG got scored on 3 times yesterday….

    the thing is, the giants scored after each time we missed a kick….if the kicker makes all his kicks, we probably shut the out….GO BUCS!!!

  43. Defense Rules Says:

    Joe, great article BTW. I love to watch great T-E-A-M football where everything’s clicking. Yesterday wasn’t one of those days unfortunately, although it should have been. Giants defense is susceptible, but we didn’t make them pay yesterday.

    @Joe … “there are few players who make a bigger impact on their team than Grimes.” That’s an understatement. The whole secondary plays MUCH better with him in there. Still can’t figure out why Eli insisted on challenging Grimes on a number of throws. BIG mistake.

    @Joe … “Bucs choked away 11 points yesterday and still won. You rarely see that. Folk was responsible for seven points left on the field and the Bucs offense was responsible for four points.” Definitely agree but I still think it was more than 11 pts we left off the scoreboard. This Bucs offense should be scoring TDs instead of hoping our kicker makes a FG.

    @Joe … “yesterday Barber ran twice and gained a total of two yards, one yard per carry.” You might’ve been lobbying for Peyton to get the ball (so was I), but 2 totes don’t tell me anything. His run to the left edge was doomed from the start (blocking was meh & Peyton doesn’t have the speed to pull that off … which he didn’t). His other run off left tackle in the 2nd qtr was totally predictable (1st & 10?) and the blocking wasn’t there (he was lucky to get 1 yd). Jameis only threw 4 passes to our RBs (they caught 3 for 32 yds) all game … that’s sad. That’s also meh play-calling.

    @WyomingBucsFan … “This VH3 guy, I call him baby Deion.” Seriously? You apparently never saw Deion play. He was incredibly fast.

  44. Kobe Faker Says:

    Peeps still not giving props to Beckwith concerning the run game

    Beckwith is a natural run stopping linebacker with great ability to fight off blocks and attack correct angles…yes better than Kwon

    More beef and more patient

    But as kobe kept on stating last week about the numerous Kwon and LVD articles…its all about

    Mikos boytoy

  45. AlteredEgo Says:

    Hopefully Jac Smith can play on Thursday night

  46. The Buc Realist Says:


    he was in for 7 plays….. he might get 10-14 plays Thursday!!!!!!!!

    Go Bucs!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  47. FortMyersDave Says:

    Good points Joe. The fact that the Bucs won despite: missing 2 FG’s, settled for an FG after 1st and goal at the one, missed a 4th down conversion at the Giant 35, shanked an XP and then lost another point because of the missed extra point via trying to get it back via a missed 2 point conversion is quite amazing in itself. Its kind of like game 3 last year with the all the similarities EXCEPT Tampa got the win this time….. Well onto the Pats and on a short week it is good that the Buc are at home even if a lot of ex fans sell their ticket to Patsy fans to “protest”….. Grimes for the Pro Bowl and cheers to a turnover free game by Jameis and the Buc O.

  48. AlteredEgo Says:

    Thanks…I was listening not watching and missed that…any word on Kwon & David ?

  49. Wausa Says:

    The Bucs should have won this game by two or more scores, but in the NFL it really does not matter how you win.
    Coach Koetter and Nick Folk did not have their A game yesterday but thankfully the Bucs were able to over come the poor play calling and missed kicks.

    Obviously Brent Grimes is an enormous part of the defense, but I think a big difference was Coach Smith played more press coverage than off coverage like he did against Minnesota(I still don’t know why he never changed during that game).

    VH3 is clearly a way better press guy then off coverage corner so I am hoping Coach Smith will stick to that type of coverage going forward.

  50. Buc2015 Says:

    Jameis was awesome at the start and end yesterday ….. 1st and 4th quarters combined: 14-of-19 (73.7%), 223 yards, 3 TD, 0 Int, 152.0 rating.

    Scuffled a bit through the 2nd and 3rd during Giants comeback (8-of-19, 109 yards, 1 TD, 78.6 rating), but zero turnovers. Good stuff overall, he always seems to bounce back well from his high-INT games.

  51. Buc2015 Says:

    Man, if Folk would have missed that kick, how different would this place be right now?? Koetter would be getting killed for playing it safe at the end and putting it in the hands of a shaky kicker.

    Oh well, all’s well that ends well. 2-1 and facing an angry Brady/Patriots team feels a lot better than 1-2 and facing angry Brady/Patriots.

  52. JonBuc Says:

    I don’t blame Koetter for playing it safe at the end. They were literally in extra point range and killed off the entire remaining clock. The defense was understandably gassed and didn’t need to see Eli & Co down 2 with 45 seconds left. Folk tried to over-compensate for a day full of “wide rights” amd nearly pulled the ears off of it left. I nearly soiled myself. 🙂

  53. tnew Says:

    Chuckle… I don’t come on here and criticize you for the way you watch the game. Just because I choose to watch gamepass vs play fantasy. Why do you care how some of us enjoy the game? I really enjoy the banter between the regular die hard fans on here who care enough to watch the game differently.

    I personally don’t care to be led around by the nose by the media, Joe (I love your sight Joe but would never follow you blindly), the head coach, players, general manager or the owners. I watch assess, form my own opinions then try to contribute to this forum for criticism and evaluation and to stimulate thought.

    Somehow, I enjoy that better than saying “Jameis sucks” or “Koetter is a god” or “GMC is the reason the team hasn’t been to the playoffs” or “Doug Martin has no chance of ever returning to the Bucs”

    Watching football isn’t my job, its my hobby and several of us on here enjoy it. Many of us coach, have coached or played at some level and this is how we enjoy the game. Frankly with all of the political junk surrounding it, if I didn’t enjoy the chess match of the game, I wouldn’t be watching it. I can’t understand people that just watch the game as it unfolds without admiring the subtitles of the play and the differences from the good versus the great, but I would never criticize or make fun of someone who didn’t.

    So really, why do you care how I enjoy the game?

  54. DallasBuc Says:

    Does this mean I’m banned?

  55. 813bucboi Says:

    I wondered why Justin Evans was getting so many snaps in the 4th Q

    tandy went got banged up….j.evans played decent…forced ODB out of bounds for that 2 pt try….

    the thing that I saw that made a HUGE difference in the game was Winston making plays with his legs…he had a couple nice runs that kept the drive alive….Winston was pretty sharp on his throws too(except to djax)….that’s the type of performance we need from him….where the hell was j.smith?….GO BUCS!!!

  56. Defense Rules Says:

    tnew … Excellent! Particularly the comparison to a chess match. I tend to watch it the same way. Football is the ultimate T-E-A-M sport IMO.

  57. orlbucfan Says:

    tnew Says:
    October 2nd, 2017 at 10:56 am
    Great comment. Brilliant! Amen X 1M (and I’m not religious)!! Go Bucs!!!

  58. Broy34 Says:

    Joe I’m gonna pretend you know a thing or two instead of simply running a good website. Glanton was terrible. And responsible for two touchdowns. He was absolutely awful. McCoy dominant Grimes dominant jameis played well. Wowww

  59. TouchDownTampaBay Says:

    LOL, my thoughts exactly chucklehead. I literally laughed out loud when I read that Pickgrin plans to break down the film. Also, here is a newsflash, because breaking down film is not your profession, the TV broadcast that jokers like you and I watch will not highlight a safety who is not involved in most plays. There is also the fact that you won’t know what the playcalling for the D is and what his responsibilities are on given plays. SMH!

  60. Buc1987 Says:

    All I got to say is we had fans on here predicting doom and gloom all week. Predicting a sure 1-3 start to the season. I just wish most fans were more like me when it comes to my Bucs. Take one game at a time and don’t typically expect doom and gloom. See the Pat’s on the schedule and think….maybe..

    No pass rush? According to some (DallasBuc)that’s all on Licht. Really who’s fault was it before Licht got here, cause we ain’t had a pass rush in like 15 years!?!?

    Anyone can cherry pick what the team was lacking last night. This Thursday might be lacking in another area. I think fans are looking for the perfect team. I also think some fans expect the second coming of Tom Brady in Jameis. It’s as if they don’t watch other QB’s around the NFL….solid QB’s overthrow solid WR’s. I saw Big Ben overthrow Brown by a mile yesterday. If that was Jameis…you’d have fans on here blasting him and saying he just doesn’t have it. So damn fickle. I was on here too after the Minny game. Not happy with Jameis. All I said was he has to learn to walk the walk or just shut up. YES it’s his 3rd year and after 2 games the usual suspects and a few new ones were bashing him as if we need to start looking for his replacement. TWO games into his 3rd year.

    Just be a fan and take one game at time. Some of you expect perfection in every facet of the team and if you don’t see it you zero in on that and expect failure the next game. CHILL OUT for once. No Kwon, No David and they pulled off the win. Find happiness in that and hope that one of them returns before Thursday.

    Go Bucs!

  61. Love and Warrick Dunn Says:

    ^^^And hurricane!!

    Go 87!! Go Bucs!!!

  62. The Buc Realist Says:


    I disagree!!!!! Joe was leading the charge!!!!!! The Sheep were loose and running wild!!!!!!!!! I hope Joe keeps it up when things go wrong for the Bucs!!!!! Its funny seeing them in full panic mode!!!!!!! That is why I proposed to Joe to write a new article series!!!!!!!


    The “real” fans now have two demands!!!!!! We still have our demand from last year, that when the Bucs make the Playoffs, there will be a “round table of Joe’s” !!!!! All Joebucfan contributors do a round table playoff podcast at a designated drinking hole!!!!!!!!

    The second is a new demand!!!!! The “real” fans demand a new segement from Joe!!!!! Since Joe on the Ira podcast stated that he was “On the Ledge”!!!! That a new segment should be added from the “master of panic”!!!!!!! You can call it “ The View from the Ledge”!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Anytime something goes wrong for the Bucs Joe can post it to rile up the Sheep!!!!!!!!!

    Keep up the great work!!!!!!!!!!!

    And as always!!!!!

    GO Bucs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  63. Wes Says:

    I personally called out the play calling twice. Once on that 1st and Goal. The second time when the Giants took the lead (17-16) and we came out firing and going 3 and out. 3 incomplete passes in a row including an overthrow on 2nd and 10 to Jackson in triple coverage.

    We were running the ball so well, and down 1 point. But we played that drive like we were down 14. I just didn’t understand the lack of use for Rodgers from time to time.

    Also…. It don’t matter if Peyton Barber only ran 2 yards. He only got 2 chances. I’d like to see him get 8-10 carries a game.

  64. Rod Munch Says:

    Ryan Smith played 0 snaps, that made all the difference in the world.

  65. Nick2 Says:

    On Jameis and the heave out of bounds to “live another day”, the pass was the prettiest and yet ugliest pass of the day all in one. Way to go Jameis those are things franchise quarterbacks do regardless of what Tom Jones says your our franchise quarterback right now.

  66. Dave Says:

    Entire DLine played hurt
    Backup LBs.
    and the run D and the pass d were good.

    The offense left 11 points out there.
    Against the vaunted Vikings D they had two TOS in the end zone or they could have put up 31.

    The defense will get better but a pass rush HAS got to emerge.
    The offense will get more efficient

    There are holes but things are looking pretty damn good

  67. Buc1987 Says:

    LOL Realist.

  68. Bucsfanman Says:

    I’d love to see a little more ‘in-game’ adjustments by coach. He waited too long to adjust to New York’s blitz. It’s nit-picky, but a well-timed screen on a blitzing defense can go a looooooong way.
    Other than that, this game was closer than it had to be because of the missed kicks. Nice game overall against an 11 win team last year!

  69. Sirclicksalot Says:

    Agree 100% Broy34. My biggest take away was how badly Glanton played. Fully responsible for 2 tds, but probably ships have stopped the Eli run as well.

    In other news, I loved how Jameis rallyed!

  70. FortMyersDave Says:

    Buc2015 Says:

    Man, if Folk would have missed that kick, how different would this place be right now?? Koetter would be getting killed for playing it safe at the end and putting it in the hands of a shaky kicker.

    Football is often a game of inches or chance or sometimes the one good or bad play. For example: back in 2006 the Bucs beat the Cleveland Browns in december to improve to 4-11, the Browns also were 4-11. Both teams went 4-12 and the Bucs picked 4th in the 2007 draft getting Gaines Adams. Cleveland picking 3rd, got OT Joe Thomas while the 3-13 Lions got a guy name Megatron. If the Bucs tanked against Cleveland they would have picked 2nd winning a tie breaker over detroit and would have had their choice of a marquee OT or a dynamic future HOF receiver….. Also: imagine if Lovie did not lose that game in 2015 to Washington when he had a 27-3 lead? At 7-9 the Bucs may have retained Lovie and let Koetter go to coach the Niners…. One game, decision or play can change a lot of things….