Jameis’ Deep-Throw Data
October 5th, 2017
Josh McCown is better
The NFL has a whole new fun series of official stats produced by their Next Gen team, which compiles data from computer chips in jerseys and balls.
For Joe, this is far more interesting and revealing than what’s delivered by the untrained orangutans posing as film gurus, who present subjective evaluation as fact — and charge for it.
According to NFL Next Gen numbers, America’s Quarterback, Jameis Winston, has attempted 15 throws (keyword: throws) of 20 yards or more this season.
His stat line on those throws is as follows: 6-for-15 with three touchdowns and two interceptions.
Obviously, deep shots are low percentage throws, but that’s not pretty.
For comparison, Joe pulled data on two other starting quarterbacks: Tom Brady and Josh McCown.
Brady is 12-for-28 with 4 TDs and 0 interceptions; McCown is 6-for-12 with 2 TDs and 0 picks.
See how stats can be misleading?
Regardless, Jameis needs to be better on his deep balls. Bucs coaches said the deep ball was Jameis’ No. 1 improvement this season. Tonight would be the perfect to get fans believing in that assertion.
October 5th, 2017 at 9:44 am
timing, accuracy and placement have always been an issue short and long passes….sure he makes great throws most of the time but others are ugly
October 5th, 2017 at 9:52 am
Something tells me that this is going to be a special game for Jameis.
He absolutely reveres Tom Brady, I would not be shocked to see Jameis dig deep and play lights out ala his first game vs Pitt at FSU, or the Philly game.
October 5th, 2017 at 9:53 am
If I remember correctly, Glennon’s last year starting here, he *lead the league* in passes over 15 yds. Now we know who ‘Checkdown Charlie’ is.
And before everyone gets their panties in a wad, it’s not a bad thing to check down. Often, it’s the smartest play. A good QB does both. A great QB knows ‘when’ to do it… and can.
Get more plays together, and Winston/Jackson will start giving DCs sleepless nights.
October 5th, 2017 at 9:57 am
He need s to spend some time with Brad Johnson….manage the game…dink and dunk…check down…all the time looking for the perfect time for a deep strike !…manage the game…dink and dunk…check down…manage the game…dink and dunk…check down…
October 5th, 2017 at 10:20 am
We will need to score 30 to win
October 5th, 2017 at 10:20 am
Fascinating Joe that the NFL uses chips in the footballs that can feed back data like that. Interesting to me that they use 20 yds as the deep-ball criteria (one of my favorite sites http://www.pro-football-reference.com uses 15 yds for the deep throw). Using the 15 yd criteria, Jameis is 11-for-26 in 3 games … 42% completion rate (essentially the same as 40% completion from 6-for-15 using 20 yds). Interestingly, DJax is 3-for-9 using PFR’s criteria (ME13 is 3-for-7 or 43% on deep catches). OJ is the best (2-for-3 deep). **For clarification, NFL is not using 20 yards as deep-ball criteria. Joe chose that as the cutoff.** –Joe
In any event, Jameis does need to develop a better ‘touch’ on his deep balls, but reality seems to indicate that 50% completion rate on the deep stuff is probably quite good. The bigger issue to me is the INTs.
October 5th, 2017 at 10:34 am
He throws decent crossing routes but his fly, and post patterns suck.
October 5th, 2017 at 10:56 am
I think he needs to hold on to the ball 1 second longer and let plays develop. He gets the ball a tad too fast. But there is nothing with his game. Idc if djax ever gets the ball as long as we win. Idc about deep passes as long as he is not forcing djax the ball getting ints
October 5th, 2017 at 11:36 am
@Joe,
Great article… for correctness, the computer chips are Active RFID UWB (Ultra Wide Band) Tags. I’m an Engineer at Zebra Technologies and only want to insure the correct terminology is being used when our system is referenced.
Enjoy the game and DAMN I wish I could be there!
October 5th, 2017 at 11:42 am
Bucket list:
1) Retire mid 2018.
2) Move out of California (too liberal).
3) Move back home to Tampa (southern hospitality).
4) Become a season ticket holder.
5) Attend every practice and home game until I kick the bucket.
October 5th, 2017 at 11:42 am
best qb we ever had by a long shot and i enjoy every second of it
October 5th, 2017 at 11:58 am
Lamarcus
I agree. He looks very anxious back there. Like he isnt seeing the rush and field well enough yet. Its easy to say for us, but it would be nice if he could settle down n let the play develop a hair more. He is not yet throwing guys open much either. Tonight could be the night some of it clicks. The 85 bears the patsies are not. Let the shootout begin. Go bucs
October 5th, 2017 at 12:04 pm
Winston isn’t far off of Brady. The real separation there is the 2 picks. So it looks like Artificial Joes are being picky, picky.
October 5th, 2017 at 1:14 pm
Winston is the worst deep ball passer I’ve ever seen. Period.
October 5th, 2017 at 1:34 pm
Winston may be a good leader but as a passer,not so much .Look at the nfl rankings of qb”s..
October 5th, 2017 at 2:27 pm
Supersam…Dilfer passes were a lot like Jameis…ended Horace Copeland’s career when he contorted trying to come down with a cockeyed ball…
October 5th, 2017 at 2:58 pm
Hope Jameis is ready to play tonight. He looked decent last week but still could have looked better. It’s probably going to take a better game than last week to beat Brady with the #1 offense in the league. The deep ball doesn’t matter so much when you are moving the football, but helps the defense stay honest. Can’t wait to see if Winston can do it 2 weeks in a row. Not convinced this offense can score more than 30 points but hope to see it tonight.
Can’t believe some of the posts I’ve seen the past few days. Some of you guys are too funny. Saw someone trying to put Winston and other QB’s in tiers like JW was just behind Rogers, Brady, and Brees. This person was crazy enough to say Jameis was ahead of Cam and Matt Ryan who have BOTH been to the Super Bowl and lost. He also said Winston was ahead of Big Ben and Eli who have BOTH won 2 SB’s each. There are probably more ahead of JW than that. Jameis has ONLY played 1 good game this year and all of a sudden he’s elite. I need to see consistency before I am willing to call him a franchise QB. Can’t wait to see the game tonight, hope we win. Go BUCS!
October 5th, 2017 at 3:43 pm
Jameis is 23 years and you guys are comparing him to a 40 year old who has been in the same system with the same head coach for 17 years. Eli Manning struggled to the point that Giants fans wanted him fired before he won the superbowl. Drees Brees wasn’t always the QB he is now. You guys need to calm down, Jameis will develop into an Elite QB, you have to give him time. I know as Bucs fans we have suffered but don’t use your suffering as an excuse not to appreciate the good in the QB we have. All this nitpicking is nonsense.
October 5th, 2017 at 4:30 pm
I am only comparing Jameis to Jameis and a QB execution on passing plays…
October 5th, 2017 at 7:47 pm
Last time I checked pro football was a TEAM game.
Jameis was the top QB picked in the draft and a Heisman winner. Clearly, the talent is there.
The question is: Will he get help from the rest of the TEAM?
Specifically, Does he have an OL?
Does he have more than one WR?
Can his TE’s stand up and be counted?
Will the scheme match the dream?
And, is DEPTH more than a phrase?
We’ll see if we can beat the proverbial favorites.
To be the best you’ve got to beat the best..!!
Go Bucs..!!