Horrible Jameis

October 30th, 2017

Pathetic third down play.

This is just unacceptable.

Before Joe gets rolling, let’s be clear here: There has been no one in the Tampa Bay region who has publicly defended America’s Quarterback, Pro Bowler Jameis Winston, more than Joe. Hell, it started long before the Bucs drafted him. And Joe will continue to defend Jameis.

That doesn’t mean Joe buries his head in the sand and ignores the obvious. Simply put, Jameis was terrible yesterday and if he or the team have any long-term plans for success, a repeat of yesterday simply cannot be tolerated.

How bad of a day was it for Jameis? He was positively awful on third downs, a down where teams need their quarterbacks to raise their games.

Jameis was so bad on third downs, it was as if someone was imitating Odell Beckham and raising a hind leg on a pylon.  Here is what BSPN dug up:

On 11 third-down throws Sunday, Jameis Winston completed as many passes to the Panthers as he did to his teammates, and only one of the latter two went for a first down. Winston also threw incomplete on his only fourth-down attempt.

This is just outrageous. Now Joe understands Jameis was victimized by drops, Joe gets that. Still, two completions on third downs? Two!

Jameis was lucky he didn’t get benched with that effort.

110 Responses to “Horrible Jameis”

  1. C eh N eh D eh Says:

    “Drops”?…not many of those I saw, but I did see Jameis throw it over everyones head a few times…I mean, over their heads most of the time

  2. Lord Cornelius Says:

    It’s insane that he had to have his worst game of the year when we just needed him to do what he normally has to win. He was ranked as the 6th best QB through the first 6 weeks by Pro Football Focus before that happened.

    It’s not like this was some trend or something. He’d been playing great all year pretty much – not aaron rogders or some sh1t; but he was leading a top 10 scoring offense and throwing for like 300+ yards most weeks; and was coming off one of the best performances of the year. Yet at home he lays this stinker?

    He didn’t look 100%. This whole season / team just feels completely cursed.

  3. 813bucboi Says:

    Winston was bad…no doubt…but so was the entire offense….where’s the preparation?….where’s the fire?….coming out flat is getting old….that’s coaching….GO BUCS!!!

  4. AlteredEgo Says:

    Hope Aimless Jamiss….didn’t throw on on that Rolls Royce….

  5. Lord Cornelius Says:

    “C eh N eh D eh Says:
    October 30th, 2017 at 1:05 pm
    “Drops”?…not many of those I saw, but I did see Jameis throw it over everyones head a few times…I mean, over their heads most of the time”

    Mike Evans had like 3 drops in the first half alone – all of which would have been 1st downs and kept drives alive – and all 3 were on drives we punted.

    Wintson played bad but he sure didn’t get much help. Had some plays called back by holdings. Had non-calls on Djax that could have given us first and goal. Penalties while in scoring position to kill momentum / take us out of scoring range.

    So sick of this sh1t

  6. Bucamania Says:

    Jameis was terrible as was Mike Evans. Oline too. They came up small on Sunday.

  7. C eh N eh D eh Says:

    goes back to my anti “Americas QB” rants at the draft…He’s a baseball thrower. Can throw it on a rope to receivers but if he has to put some touch on it or hit someone in stride it always ends up bad…He might have already peaked in his career…Don’t see the ascending improvement…Sad, but have to face reality.

  8. 813bucboi Says:

    -He was ranked as the 6th best QB through the first 6 weeks by Pro Football Focus

    -#1 passing offense

    that’s a perfect example of how stats can be misleading….

    also a perfect example of how stats are for losers….GO BUCS!!!!

  9. C eh N eh D eh Says:

    @Lord Cornelius …a lot of the time the drops are defenders getting a hand in and breaking it up, if the plays are viewed again more closely

  10. bculaw Says:

    I’m a huge Jameis fan, but he looked really bad yesterday. I’m finding it hard to believe that he’s not injured more seriously than is being let on. His arm mechanics looked very guarded and his velocity and ball placement (arguably not his greatest attribute anyway) were way short of standard. It was obvious on the first throw of the game. In any event, he looked worse than I’ve seen him. Add to the fact that Keuchly was effectively in our huddle all game, jumping plays like he knew they were coming, and it made for a very hard game to watch.

  11. 813bucboi Says:


    Winston also over threw evans and under threw djax…both would’ve been TD’s…

    but your right….the entire offense came out flat and unprepared….from jameis to the wrs to the oline….that’s an indictment on dirk….he’s in charge of the offense….how many times have they come out flat….GO BUCS!!!

  12. tmaxcon Says:

    Lord Cornelius

    Its not insane that jameis choked for a bug game. He’s learned from the best big game disappearing act of all time in captain blowout cancer93…

  13. Do it Says:

    Time to shut him down until he gets well. The kid is playing with an injured wing. Can’t throw during the week until Friday. This has to hurt not being able to get the timing down with his receivers.

    The coaching staff insists on making him a pocket passer. Behind the weak line he is getting slammed. Let him roll out. If the play is not there he can throw it away. By keeping in the pocket, he will continue to be get injured.

    He should be the qb for at least years. Protect the future!

  14. Grt2 Says:

    One bad game doesn’t make a bad player. It’s just it came at the worse time in a must win game. Jameis will be fine he’ll take us to the promise land i just hope our GM can put a solid team around him.

  15. sunshine Says:

    Winston is rated as 26th qb rating by espn nfl qb total rating. look at the others ahead of him and the bucs have so many weapons . He should be much better being a #1 pick.!

  16. uckinator Says:

    Agree with you “Do it”. Famous Jameis needs to be shut down until his arm is 100%. Hopefully, we’ll have him for many more years; why screw with his arm for a lost season. Sit him !

  17. Chucklehead Says:

    When we got a 1st & 5 on our first series and got jack $hit and had to punt, I knew it would be one of those days. 1st & 5 and you cant convert?

    Come on Jameis, watch some Case Keenum tape. He knows how to go for the throat.

    And one more thing, I didnt fact check this, Im going by memory. The over throws to WRs on deep routes is ridiculous. Djax should have 4 or 5 more tds alone not to mention the one to Evans yesterday. Fix it. Im tired of the amazing pregame speeches that are so firey and inspiring, then you come out lookin like a backup that just got inserted in the 3rd quarter. Take advantage. Hell even with our D playing as bad as it has, we have left so many points on the field because of this alone, we could have been in some of those games and even won a couple. Hes lousy when it counts and most of his stats have come in garbage time. I like the dude a lot, bit he isnt what we thought he was supposed to be.

  18. Ryan K Says:

    “There has been no one in the Tampa Bay region who has publicly defended America’s Quarterback, Pro Bowler Jameis Winston, more than Joe”

    True. Also, good article and break down of the third down struggles. SOB

  19. Patrick in VA Says:

    DeShaun Watson is what they’re trying to sell Jameis to us as. The gunslinger who will sometimes throw some INTs but you take the bad because the good far outweighs it. We’re not getting any of that from Jameis, and that’s from well before he got hurt. I want him to be the guy, but there is just no progression. There’s no reason to watch from week to week. We’re not getting better. If anything, it’s more frustrating every week because we’re another week in and nothing is better and nothing is changing.

  20. derrickbrooksforGM Says:

    man Joe JW is hurt, way to throw him under the bus man. Sheesh.

  21. Lord Cornelius Says:

    The him being ranked 6th thing was just saying a site that tries to be as comprehensive as possible in terms of taking into account every possible variable related to playing QB – (strength of opponents / drops / everything) – said he was playing pretty damn good football. It’s not just one random misleading stat.

    And I would agree – based on the eye test – BEFORE this game; Winston looked like a top 10 QB to me. All his #s were up.

    For those who say he chokes – he still has a way better record than Marcus Mariota in close winn-able games. Go look it up.He has a very solid winning record in those games.

    He already had a clutch game winning drive against the Giants; and should have been counted for another one against Buffalo; which would mean he single handidly accounted for winning 2 of the only 3 games we would have won through that point – with 4th quarter heroics. If OJ Howard plays the play right against New England it’d be 3 game winning drives / 4th quarter heroics.

    The whole point of my statement – is to say f*ck ANYONE in here that tries to say he’s struggled all year – or sucked all year – or not been clutch / etc / etc /etc. An objective 3rd party is basically a better fan than you are. Period. That’s the point I’m making.

    He sucked this game no doubt. That’s not my freaking point.

  22. Lord Cornelius Says:

    “man Joe JW is hurt, way to throw him under the bus man. Shees”

    And this too lol.

  23. Bucnjim Says:

    Even with a good arm Winston and the Bucs struggle to put up points in the first half of any game. This is a huge problem!!! When a team has to play from behind week in and week out it makes you look long and hard about preparation for the game.

  24. AlteredEgo Says:

    “True. Also, good article and break down of the third down struggles. SOB”….there would not be 3rd down “struggles” if 1st and 2nd down passes where on target….

  25. Chucklehead Says:

    And another thing. Quit calling Jameis a modern day Favre. Favre may have thrown a bunch of ints but he would also hit a wide open receiver 99% of the time.

  26. Kyle Says:

    Message to the GLAZERS, please call Jon Gruden today! Apologize for screwing up and firing him in the first place and beg him to come back at the end of the year.

  27. GhostofSchiano Says:

    Through seven games I have yet to see the timing / chemistry between D-Jax and Winston. It’s just not there. Thinking it’s a failed experiment and it looks like it is being forced. Bad shoulder or not it just seems like these two cannot get on the same page.

  28. JonBuc Says:

    I like Jameis…and I’m glad that the Bucs drafted him. Seeing how well D. Watson is playing makes me wonder if Jameis will ever be elite vs. pretty good with occasional teaser flashes.

  29. wewantgruden Says:

    C’mon people, you must know that you have to have A certain amount of intelligence to be a successful QB in the NFL. jw got by at FSU because they had superior athletes than the teamS they were playing…they won despite of him. He comes to the NFL where everyone is a great athlete and the defensive coordinators will magnify his lack of intelligence by making him have to think. My gramps always told me that you cannot teach a dumb dog new tricks. Well, the Bucs have themselves a dumb dog….great dane at that. Put Fitz in the at least make us look like an NFL team and by all means CALL GRUDEN NOW!!!!!!

  30. Tony from Los Angeles Says:

    A young QB. No practice during the week. A lingering injury… This is a very bad recipe for the Bucs going forward.

  31. Smokeymountainbucfan Says:

    4 losses in a row. Winston is out there like a one legged man in a a$$ kicking contest except it’s his shoulder, throwing shoulder at that. As much as I don’t like Fitzpatrick he probably should’ve got the start. Every week it’s been this person or that one to get the blame! We just suck right now! Just blame it on hard knocks, they hyped this team up and the coaches got a pass in training camp. They got noticed for their cussing and yelling! Your only as good as your leaders and my evaluation of them is they suck! Really hope they turn it around and I’ll eat all my negative remarks!

  32. Buc Fan South Tampa Says:

    Josh Freeman-like. Circa 2011. I hope he gets better. But he is clearly hurt. I was at the Buffalo Game, and all during the game in between plays Winston was throwing a ball to players on the sidelines, Im sure to make sure his arm/shoulder didnt tighten up. He was even throwing to Fitzpatrick on the sidelines. I had never seen that before. His shoulder is injured. I believe he will be placed on IR with Fitzpatrick named starter and Griffin as backup. That would be best for the team – and for the coaches/GM. No one wants a losing season again.

  33. Mike Johnson Says:

    Come on Guys..PLEASE!! can’t you see it..Hell Stevie Wonder sees it! Jameis is hurt. More than we are being let on. And he’s probably masking some of it with the doctors because of his desire to play. And..mark my words….IF he keeps playing with that bad shoulder? Its not only gonna get worse, its gonna shut him down for longer than it would have had Koetter simply rested him for a few games. I’ve had rotator Cuff surgery as an athlete in college. And don’t let’em fool you..those small tears do get worse over time. Esp for athletes. Koetters so desparatem he’s gonna run Jameis right into..the ground. Shut the kid down!!

  34. LUVMYBUCS Says:

    It’s not personal

    Time to spark up talks – and hit the back channels (CAA Sports)

    (2018) Solidify compensation for QB Alex Smith.

  35. TheBucsAnthem Says:

    I truly don’t care anymore

    Jameis isn’t horrible, but from what we’ve seen

    ….he’ll never be elite
    ….he’ll just be labeled as “good” especially when Watson, Wentz, and Prescott are all out playing Jameis and those three QBs mentioned above has been in the league with less time.

    Poor Poor Poor Jameis

  36. LUVMYBUCS Says:

    Trade for QB Alex Smith
    • 2011-2017 | SFO,KAN | G: 94/ GS: 93
    • (W) 65- (L) 27- (T) 1 ←70% Winning Percentage
    • Cmp: 1837 | Att: 2822 | Cmp%: 65.1 | Yds: 20426
    • TD’s: 121 | Int’s: 38 | Int%: 1.3 ←WTF

  37. derrickbrooksforGM Says:

    If the Bucs had a good D they’d be 6 and 2. This convo wouldn’t be happening.

  38. derrickbrooksforGM Says:

    @LUVMYBUCS That was 5 years ago trade idea man not now you so crazy LOL

  39. Greg Says:

    One day Joe and many others may have to do their best Fonzie imitiation…I was W-R-R-R-R-R-O-O-O-N-N-N-G-G-G-G…..I will admit that I was finally on board during this off season and was all on the Jaboo-wagon…but he has clearly not improved….it all comes to decision making and he is still just as bad at it as he was in Tallahassee….poor decisions have nothing to do with being hurt

  40. NFLNut Says:

    A guy playing hurt has his worst game … wow, how shocking, how dare he, he should be so shamed … LAZY MEDIA NARRATIVE

  41. LUVMYBUCS Says:


    February 4th, 2013 at 11:13 am


    • Do you think Bucs should bring in Alex Smith to challenge Freeman?

    February 4th, 2013 at 11:18 am

    -Alex Smith’s Contract:

    • 3/20/2012: Signed a three-year, $24 million contract. The deal contains $9 million guaranteed — an initial roster bonus of $3 million, all of Smith’s 2012 base salary, and $1 million of his 2013 salary. Another $9 million is available through incentives, though $5.25 million of them are “unlikely to be earned.” An annual $250,000 workout bonus is available. 2012: $5 million, 2013: $7.5 million (+ $1 million roster bonus due in March), 2014: $7.5 million, 2015: Free Agent

    February 4th, 2013 at 11:28 am
    • 70% passer before the concussion . Ran the spread offense under head coach Urban Meyer. Probably takes a fourth- or fifth-round pick to pry him away….I’m Just saying…Luv Free, but he seriously needs the competition.

    CHIEFS went from the scrap heap to the playoffs in one Season!!!

    Déjà vu Joe

  42. LUVMYBUCS Says:

    @derrickbrooksforGM^^ Lol

  43. wewantgruden Says:

    Gruden meeting with the top brass this week……..

  44. Mental Bucdown Says:

    Kirk cousins or Alex Smith needs to be here next yr. Jameis needs to learn behind a proven winner bcuz he’s not ready yet. More crossing patterns are needed on offense and zone blocking our O-line is too small to be playing a power blocking game. Zone blitzes are needed on defense until we find dominant pass rushers just my 2 cents

  45. Mental Bucdown Says:

    The corners showed promise yesterday maybe they’re not as bad as thought but we still need a proven corner in FA. We don’t need a DT we need edge rushers to force the QB into the DT not the other way around so GMC is fine. We need better contain on the outside. Move beckwith to the inside and zone blitz the outside with Kwon and lvd that will force the Qb into the arms of the dts

  46. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    The problem with Jameis on 3rd down is…..if he needs 7 he either throws for 25 or 4……….I don’t know if it’s playcalling or Jameis….

    We still lost…but Newton was constantly throwing the bomb on third down….luckily they were incomplete….if he could have kept his drives going, they might have scored 40 on us.

  47. Bucsfanman Says:

    Some of these posts are laughable. Does Jameis have issues? You bet, but lets put this into perspective people. How many drops did he have? How was the blocking? The play-calling? Better yet, how badly did DJax fight for that under-thrown ball? All that is Jameis’ fault?!
    Jameis doesn’t get a pass for being injured. He stunk. But lets not get carried away with trade talk. Just who, exactly, would you replace him with? Fitzpatrick? Perspective people.

  48. LakeLand Says:


  49. Bucnjim Says:

    Don’t get me wrong I’m a huge Winston fan…….but who do you blame for the slow starts basically every game? He didn’t start off the season hurt right? The last five games the Bucs have only scored 16 points total in the first half of games.

  50. Jim Says:

    I feel for Jameis and actually blame the “All Jameis, All the Time” crowd. In time he might develop into a solid QB, but at present his QBR is at 26th in the league. So just sit him for a spell, give his shoulder a rest, give your back-up QBs some playing time and focus on building a balanced team. No more hype and no more #WEAPONS4WINSTON nonsense…

  51. Joe Says:

    Don’t get me wrong I’m a huge Winston fan…….but who do you blame for the slow starts basically every game? He didn’t start off the season hurt right?

    Partially Koetter. It is clear Jameis thrives in a no-huddle, hurry-up offense. Koetter rarely uses that unless needed.

    And like Joe wrote about Raheem back in the day, have to start wondering about game preparation. There is no reason why a quarterback/offense consistently struggles in the first quarter and more times than not, flips a switch in the second half. Joe isn’t a big believer in coincidences.

  52. NFLNut Says:



    Coming into last game, when Jameis played hurt … he was on pace for 4,807 yards, 30 TDs and 12 picks, with a 95.5 passer rating, #1 rating outside the pocket, top 5 red zone rating AND had a higher completion percentage AND lower interception percentage than “check-down” Dak “Dink n Dunk” Precott who plays behind the best offensive line and with maybe the best RB in football …


    You want the Bucs to get Alex Smith or Cousins and for Jameis to “learn behind them”? HAHAHAHA … there isn’t a GM in the NFL right now that wouldn’t dump Alex and Kirk for Jameis in a heatbeat … you people are just off your rockers!

    If you want the Bucs to sign Smith or Cousins, fine … do it, but TRADE Jameis and recoup the King’s bounty a ton of teams (Jets, 49ers, Browns, Broncos, Ravens, Dolphins, Jaguars, Bills, Bengals, Chargers, Giants, Vikings, Cardinals) would give you … that’s a list of THIRTEEN teams that would probably give you EVERY DRAFT PICK they have next year and maybe more for Jameis …

    It’s as if the Bucs fandom is filled with helmet-wearing mental patients … crazy!


  53. LUVMYBUCS Says:


    Screw the fanboy sh!t

    I’m a BUCS fan
    Players come in go.

    Worst Case scenario – Alex Smith would be the perfect mentor for Jameis.

  54. Clodhopper Says:

    This is not new news. Against a terrible at the time Patriots defense, there were no third down conversions for almost 3 full quarters.

    People want to blame the defense, the oline, the running game.

    If you have to have a great defense, a great oline, and a great running game, you might as well sign Trent Dilfer instead of re-signing Jameis, because anyone can win under those circumstances but a lot cheaper than what Jameis will get paid!!

  55. wewantgruden Says:

    James is not intelligent enough to run an NFL system. He would make a better preacher than a QB. Possibly a front-runner for AL Sharpton’s gig we he hangs em up. You can only listen to a preacher for so long AND you surely wont listen to one that does not practice what he preaches.

  56. Clodhopper Says:

    Think about signing OJ, Evans, Godwin, Beckwith, Kwon, LVD, Marpet, Donovan, plus GMC. He already cant win with all those guys. In the salary cap world, you cant have every one of those guys plus pay a franchise QB. (And Saquan, Lord willing) If he cant win WITH them, how can a person think he can win without them?

    If he don’t start improving, we’re going to be in quarterback purgatory for the next ten years!!

  57. Syl Says:

    I love this because of those 11 third downs I counted 8 times they were over 7 yards. So he was throwing into coverage on downs when everyone knows he has to throw. The fumble was all on Jameis but until the Buffalo game this offense has been constantly keeping them in 3 and long situations. I would sit Winston down and clean house next season.

  58. wewantgruden Says:

    JW was seen out partying Saturday night before the game……

  59. NFLNut Says:



    I’m no fanboy and you are a certifiable loon … the Cheifs would trade Smith AND a bunch of picks for Jameis right now, even with Jameis injured and KC looking like a possible SB winner … YOU ARE LITERALLY CLUELESS!


  60. NFLNut Says:

    The post above was to LUVMYBUCS not the sensible CLODHOPPER


  61. ClodHopper Says:


    That’s not very Christian of you

  62. ClodHopper Says:

    And don’t forget we’ll also have to pay for the free agents that want to come here and play on a flat team half a dozen times a year!! Those guys aren’t always cheap!!

  63. LUVMYBUCS Says:



  64. LUVMYBUCS Says:


    Boy “I’ve Forgot More Football Than You’ll Ever Know”.
    Slow your roll little one – your stepping out your box.
    So stay in your lane potna.

  65. JabooBuc Says:

    LUVMYBUCS, usually think you are on target with your comments but are you serious about Jameis being the problem here? Jameis had a bad game yesterday but he’s been pretty solid for every other game. Meanwhile, we stop anyone and have no running game. And, up until the past two weeks, we couldn’t make a FG

    You can Brady on this team and we still suck and you think Alex Smith is the answer?

  66. JabooBuc Says:

    Should say can’t stop anyone^^^

  67. LUVMYBUCS Says:


    It’s not personal. I’m only calling it – how I see it.
    He should be futher along in his development up to this point.

    Steel Sharpens Steel

    He needs to be challenged for the starting spot.

    The TEAM needs more ACTION less words.

  68. JabooBuc Says:

    LUV, not saying he can’t play better but he’s played well enough for us to win at least two other games (obviously hurt during the Arizona game). With the exception of maybe the Chicago game against a really bad offense, this defense has sucked out loud. Our running game is one of the league’s worst. So, how is that Jameis?

  69. LUVMYBUCS Says:

    Buc talkin’ about it – Be about it

  70. LUVMYBUCS Says:


    I’ll give him Buffalo.

    But too many times.
    He comes out flat to start the half 1st half.
    That defeats & demoralizes a team.

  71. LUVMYBUCS Says:

    But too many times – He comes out flat to start the 1st half.

  72. NFLNut Says:


    If you would sign Alex Smith to start over Jameis you are a verifiable loon who has a low football IQ, period.

    Like I said, EVERY GM, including the Chiefs GM would trade Alex Smith AND PICKS for Jameis, even being hurt, right now … you sir are now in my “loon” camp

  73. NFLNut Says:


    Nothing unchristian about what I said … Jesus was hard core and truthful not some weak pansy … what I said was true … I don’t care what people think about it.

  74. Lord Cornelius Says:

    Jameis is at worst a top 12-15 QB and is 23 years old; and only had his worst game while hurt yesterday. An objective 3rd party site that many respect had him rated as the 6th best QB this year before yesterday.

    Lol @ anyone wanting to move on from him. Talk about your kneejerk losing your mind type of hyperbolic freak out

  75. jim burns Says:

    First they blame the wind , then he has a sore arm….blah , blah , blah . Every team has dropped passes , etc . Its just another excuse . He is not that good and that’s reality .

  76. NFLNut Says:

    ^ If true, than the last two NFL MVP’s SUCK as they are both having worse years than Jameis … loon!

  77. JabooBuc Says:

    LUV, so it”s just Jameis coming out flat? This entire team comes out flat. In fact, the defense comes out worse than flat. Minnesota, Arizona, Buffalo came out and carved up this defense from the beginning.

    Sorry, I have yet to hear you tell me what QB could succeed with the sh*t show around him.

  78. DBS Says:

    Nut give it up. Your not even a Bucs fan. You are only here because Jameis is here. If he goes so will you. If he was as hurt as you claim Koetter would have pulled him. Koetter was the best players on the field to win. An injured Winston is not the best. We already watched Fitz complete passes better with the offense.

  79. DBS Says:


  80. NFLNut Says:



    Hi LOON … you’re right, I am NOT a Bucs fan … I am a fan of great players. I am a fan of Brady, Rodgers, Roethlisberger, Brees, Jameis, Carr, Wentz, Gurley, Adrian Peterson, Lev Bell, Antonio Vrown, etc., etc., etc.,.

    As such, I can see clearly as I am not clouded by idiotic allegiances to a team …

    I watched the careers of greats unfold … went to Colts homegames when Manning was there … went to Lions homegames when Barry Sanders was there … drove crazy miles to watch Randy Moss play in college, etc., etc., etc.

    And I’m telling you … you and many like you are LOONS and don’t realize how great you have it with Jameis … I don’t care as it’s your life to live miserably but ya’ll are wasting the wonderful process of watching a great career unfolds before your eyes with all your whining and complaining.

    Again, Peyton Manning went from not being able to win a big game or even beat Florida once in college to throwing 100 INTERCEPTIONS in his first 5 years in the NFL, to having a 26 year old season in the NFL where he threw 23 picks and the Colts plummeted to a 6-10 record … and yet, even in all of that I had no doubt I was watching a player that would become an all-time great …

    You can act like a loon all you want … I know what I see in Jameis and barring serious injury, Jameis will retire from the NFL as the ALL-TIME leader in both passing yards & TDs and be inducted in the Hall of Fame on his first ballot … and I for one am going to enjoy his career with all its ups and downs, it’s great moments and its heart-breaking moments … I love it!


  81. redtop5588 Says:

    LORD C i agree with you totally bro Most people dont realize what they have until its gone im with you bro Winston has had a good year numbers up ints down had a bad game yesturday but he looked hurt to me all his throws didnt have that kick he usually puts on them but let him get healthy our core pieces are all returning lets keep the coaches we have no need to overhaul just need to add so Dline help threw FA and Draft i think our defense would be fine if we could get any kind of pass rush so what if we tried Dotson at LT and put Smith at RT

  82. DBS Says:

    Well Nut then your the LOON if you think Winston will ever be in the Hall Of Fame. He will be lucky if he is in the NFL in the next 5 years.

  83. redtop5588 Says:

    I Like how you think NFLNUT i see what you see not everyone has the eye or patience to let someone develope they try to kick them out of town soon as they have a bad game

  84. DBS Says:

    He mat be. But as a backup.

  85. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:

    He ran the ball and got hit hard several times in the process. Probably aggravated the pain in his shoulder.

    He needs to rest this weak, take the next game off to heal up. IT;s not like we stand a chance in heaven of winning against the division leading Saints, not with him injured.

  86. NJBucsFan Says:

    He may not have been benched this week but signs are pointing to him sitting this week.

  87. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:

    DBS, I beg to differ. The man is around 23 years old. He’s got a little maturing to do, and he will do it.

    Beyond that, it;s just a matter of experience.

    So, sorry, but I have to disagree with you completely.

  88. NFLNut Says:



    Hi loon.

    If you could be trusted, I’d have no problem betting you 5 figures that Jameis will make the HOF … at his current age Jameis has MORE CAREER PASSING YARDS & TD PASSES than Favre, Brady, Brees, Rodgers and Matt Ryan ALL HAD COMBINED at the same age. Jameis is so far ahead of the curve it’s incredible and barring serious injury I have no doubt he’ll own the record books and make the Hall of Fame.

    Now … winning a ring is not something I’d bet on as that is all about organizational success and not simply QB play. When HOF QBs like Marino, Fouts, Moon, Kelly and Tarkenton can combine to play SEVENTY PLUS YEARS of NFL football and not win a single ring, there is no guarantee Jameis will win even one ring, let alone multiple rings in a mere 15-20 year career.


  89. NFLNut Says:


    Welcome … we need more sensible people on this site!

  90. JimmyJack Says:

    Agree Joe. I share your support of Winston and of course he was bad yesterday.

    It’s easy to bury your head in the sand with some of the fans opinions who want to but the whole game on Winston. There’s no excuse for bad play but Carolina is not a great defence to play a one-man-Winston show against.

    What I remember from yesterday was that Winston played well in the first half. Then all the sudden 2015 version of Evans hands decides to show up. Hump dropped a first down too if I remember. Another two drives killed by pentalties. Marpet misses a block which is rare to see.

    I can understand the QB is going to be the focal point of blame, and he should be. It’s just hard to not get defensive when fans are getting so rabid they are crying for Fitzpatrick.

  91. DBS Says:

    I am sure you do . But then again you disagree with just about anyone here. His age crap is old too. he is now a 3rd year pro. And that stupid toss it in the air play yesterday reminded me of the preseason. Only he was not falling on his azz this time. You stop Evans you stop Jameis. DC’s have figured that out. And the garbage time stats mean nothing.

  92. Brandon Says:

    Regardless if Jameis was hurt yesterday or not, he continues to be lethargic in the the first half of games and still can not hit a deep ball to save his life. This has been an issue with little to no improvement since his rookie season. I’m a huge fan of Jameis with his leadership and work ethic, but all of that needs to translate onto the game field. Nobody’s looking for perfection, but just a little consistency and improvement from year to year. Some of this could be coaching, but he has to get better if the Bucs ever plan on going anywhere.

  93. Bird Says:


    Did you watch Jameis at fsu? Not a fsu fan but all my friends are so I watched quite a few of his games They all said the same thing. Jameis starts slow. Did it in college weekly

    So was it on jimbo fisher at fsu just like it’s on koetter in Tampa. Give it a rest man.

  94. Bird Says:


  95. StPeteBucsFan Says:


    This whole season / team just feels completely cursed.

    I agree. Again there are many reasons teams lose and sometimes you wonder if a curse is part of it. Untimely penalties and the inability to make a play when needed.

    This was a low scoring game. The teams were feeling each other out and then #3 finally gets the Bucs moving. He’s keeping the ball away from the Panthers and he hits ME13 with another first down pass to keep possession and move the chains….OH but ME13 has another game with the dropsies. That SINGLE failure to make a play turned this game.

    The Bucs kick the Panthers execute a long drive and the game was over.

    There are times in a game when you simply MUST make a play!!!

    Meanwhile this team is maddening because of inconsistency. Stupid drops and penalties…one week the D shows up one week the O shows up but never both at the same time.

    We have to find that consistency!!!

  96. Lamarcus Says:

    Yall. Crazy. I don’t care if JW never improves. Jw is good for the Buccaneers. Now with saying that Koetter needs to realize JW is not Ryan/Gabbert nor Garrard

  97. PRBucFan Says:


    I respect the Joe(s) for admitting this.

    Especially the last sentence.
    “Jameis was lucky he didn’t get benched with that effort.”

  98. JabooBuc Says:

    DBS- are you referring to the interception he threw that went straight up and floated? You do realize he was hit from behind by a blitzing safety that was not picked up properly by the RG. He actually had Evans open on a double move but his line let him down.

  99. PRBucFan Says:

    lol at the people acting like he hasn’t struggled before this game

  100. BrianBucs Says:

    Those “He’s still a young quarterback” excuses don’t apply any more as he is a 3rd year starter. The things he could get away with in the ACC are a little different in the NFL. Jameis could end up being an NFL coach killer

  101. IStillBleedOrange Says:

    “Jameis was lucky he didn’t get benched with that effort.”

    He was benched…but the problem was, the game was over by then… as in 0 seconds on the clock. I know that no one wants to see Fitz play, but was I the only one to see him hit some pretty long balls to Evans against the Cards? I mean, come on…if Jameis is any kind of hurt, why risk his and the team’s future by playing him?

  102. daveman Says:

    Ever get the feeling NFLNut watches the amp goes to 11 scene in Spinal Tap and finds it makes perfect sense?

  103. NFLNut Says:

    ^ I type facts … you don’t like facts … you’re a loon.

  104. jim burns Says:

    The Pats trade Garoppolo to the 49ers for a second round pick . We pick a kicker in the second round and a guy that cant throw with our #1 pick . The 49ers make out like a champ and we look like a chump , again .

  105. JabooBuc Says:

    Jim Burns, you sir are a dope. QB that can’t throw? Top 10 in passing this year in his 3rd year at the age of 23 coming off two straight years of 4K yards passing. Name another QB in NFL history that has done that. I’ll hold my breath. And by the way, ask New England if they would have traded Jimmy and their 1st rounder for Winston. I think we all know they would.

  106. Ed Schwartz Says:

    All the Bucs need is steady play at QB. Jameis can make those tight throws into narrow windows, I see it every game, he’s great at that but when its pressure time and the field gets compressed you have to have the ability to hit big plays, explosive catch and runs. It doesn’t happen with Bucs.

    The only play he has made all year like that was the game where he threw a great slant to Jackson and he took off 50 yards with it. Every time Jackson has smoked coverage, Winston hasn’t made good throws.

    That little screen to Howard should have been an explosive play, I don’t think Howard realized that Kuechly was behind him, he didn’t turn on his jets, if he did, thats the explosive play of that game.

    Evans going down the sideline directly into end zone, 75% of NFL quarterbacks have no trouble hitting that throw. Thats explosive.

    We have some youngsters with speed, Godwin and Howard, why hasn’t the Bucs made any real effort to put the ball in their hands. When Winston has connected with Jackson, its usually first downs.

    I like Brate a lot but he’s not gonna bust off a big catch and run, neither is Evans. The Bucs aren’t going to the playoffs so its time to let these younger guys get their turn.

  107. RustyRhinos Says:

    Hey NFLNut, this fan knows we are 2-5 this season so far with Winston at the QB position. We have seen and heard him show his leadership on and off the field. I am waiting for that passion to show up on the field every week. Not to watch him miss another throw to another wide open receiver. Yes I know his arm is hurt, but with the QB position being the main person who is to throw the football to the receivers this causes some concern. To reach the Hall of Fame in Canton you need to be a bit more accurate in the foward pass.

  108. daveman Says:

    You don’t understand, his passing yards setting go to 11. Q.E.D hall of fame. You are insane to doubt this.

  109. jim burns Says:

    JabooBuc , The only time Winston is effective is when we are behind and the defense is playing back . I know most of you guys are Winston fans but sooner or later reality has to set in . Oh , wait , it has….. 2-5 . Garoppolo…… 17 games …5 td …. zero int …..67 % completion …..106.2 rating …..looks a bit better that you know who , right ?

  110. EEK Says:

    this kind of qb play can set us back years

    management has doubled down on Winston by bringing in free agent talent and high draft picks on offense and he is just not performing

    Winston is still young and there will be excuses after excuses but when do we determine this is just what Winston is and bring in some competition?

    is Winston any better than Blake Bortles?