More Doug Martin Dodging

May 2nd, 2017

Joe can’t believe there are so many out there who really believe the Buccaneers are going to put their faith in Doug Martin again.

First, Martin has had three bad seasons out of his last four. Joe’s no math major, but even a third-grader can understand that.

Martin also is coming off a terrible year, one in which his head coach benched him in the biggest game of 2016.

He’s also suspended for the first three games of 2017.

He’s also set to earn nearly $6 million this year and the Bucs should have zero interest in paying Martin that kind of cash.

And then there’s Martin long history of injury.

Martin is a nice guy, and his picture adorns the side of the Stadium on Dale Mabry Highway. But reality is reality.

Also, the Bucs just drafted a running back in the fifth round. Does anyone really think the Bucs intended to draft a backup running back? If they did, then Jason Licht needs a urine test, much like the many tests Martin must pass between now and when he’s eligible to return after Week 3.

This morning, general manager Jason Licht was asked a simple Doug Martin question on NFL Network by Good Morning Football host Kay Adams.

“Do you forsee him playing a role on the 2017 Buccaneers?” Adams asked about Martin.

Licht had plenty to say, lots of positives about Martin and the Bucs running backs, but yet again, Licht didn’t say, “Yes.”

And neither has Dirk Koetter ever said Martin is expected to step back into the Bucs huddle when he’s available.

As Tampa Bay’s only Pro Football Hall of Fame voter, Ira Kaufman, has said on his podcasts and in his columns written here at, the Bucs are saying all the right things about Martin but Martin never gets an endorsement.

Is Martin an option for 2017? Sure. But that doesn’t mean he’s a wise option, or one that seasoned football men like Koetter and Licht will or should trust for their team.

272 Responses to “More Doug Martin Dodging”

  1. bucsfaninchina Says:

    and Doug Martin articles.

  2. Ben the Ga Buc Says:

    Maybe the dodging isn’t for us, but for Doug. Maybe enough hedging and dipping, diving and ducking the questions to get him on the edge of his seat and keeping on the straight and narrow path.

  3. Pepsi Says:

    Joe – its a 5th round RB, I like McNichols for this team and i like that hell be part of the group going foward but there was obviously no urgency to draft a RB in this draft. That was also the reports leading up to the draft which we thought was a smoke screen, turned out it wasnt. The chips just so happened to fall without Bucs getting a real new RB this year and Martin looks to be very much apart of 2017/18 season. I think Martin/Rodgers plus possible very late round RB was always a plan B considering next years RB class is even better than this years with guys like Barkley, Guice, Chubb, LJ Scott, Scarborogh – thats 5 premier back off the top of my head well before the season even starts

  4. Kevin Nieto Says:

    I was under the impression that the suspension voids his guaranteed money. Is that not the case?
    Guarantee, yes. The contract salary, no. –Joe

  5. Pepsi Says:

    ^forgot to mention said reports were that they liked how Doug Martin was looking

  6. BurgDweller Says:

    Martin will be trade bait for a team desperate for a RB. Of course they are saying nothing but positive things about him as they should to get value out of him.

  7. redblud Says:

    Gosh, you continue with the ignorance. Joe doesn’t want Martin, so Joe writes article with no basis of facts or knowledge,that doesn’t even slightly equal what the FO or HC thinks. If the Bugs had no interest in using Martin, then he would be cut. He has no trade value, so the reason to hold on to him would be because they have plans of using him. You beat this drum and was 100% certain the Bucs would draft Dalvin Cook (why lie? Joe never wrote with any certainty that the Bucs would draft Cook.–Joe) and you were wrong. Very wrong. No even remotely accurate. Come week 4 next year, I pretty sure Martin will be on this roster. Doesn’t mean he’ll be good, or effective, or even the starter, but I’m sure he’ll be here. And if he’s not, it’ll be because he didn’t look good in camp, preseason or after, not because they decided in April they can’t use him, but that they’ll still hold on to him.

  8. Shawnbuc Says:

    Mike James thanks you for your efforts….

  9. bucNation Says:

    he’s coming back end of discussion no reason to keep questioning it. no matter if we think doug should be gone or not it’s obvious that jason licht plans on doug passing all his drug tests and making the team. that’s literally the only thing keeping him from being cut from the roster. everything else jason says is an endorsement of him on the field “2nd leading rusher from 2015” “looks the best that i’ve ever seen him” is that not enough evidence for you to say he’s probably making the team? good grief you act like jason licht is a politician he’s a known straight shooter just like dirk and he’s telling it as it is. barring some unforeseen misstep by mr. druggie he’ll be on this team next season
    You’re right! Jason Licht is a straight-shooter. So is Dirk. And neither says Doug Martin is expected to carry the ball for this team in Week 4 and have a big bounceback year. –Joe

  10. LakeLandBuc Says:

    I hope Doug Martin come back, on a one year $ 3 Million deal. We can take the $ 4 Million in savings and sign Free Agent CB Jason McCourty.

  11. MarineBucsFan Says:

    Joe you make some very compelling arguments against Martin being on the team this season and I have been rocking with you all the while. But after the draft (5th round RB), Licht’s interview on GMFB (where he consistently gives praise to Martin, could also a poker play), and limited free agent options, I’m starting to believe Martin stays.

    Ultimately, I think whether Martin stays or goes is up to Martin himself. I think Licht has made his move and now Martin has to play his hand. He is the dealer and these are cards he dealt to himself. What’s it gonna be Dougie Fresh???

  12. Gencoimports Says:

    Since the Bucs did not use “a premium pick” on a RB that the Joes and Ira all predicted the Bucs would use in last week’s draft, Doug Martin not only playing but starting for the Bucs in 2017 is real possibility.

    And as I have stated in the comments of this site before, I don’t think Licht and Koetter should declare Martin the man yet, he still has something to prove. They are keeping the carrot in front of him as they should. If he fails a drug test between now and October, then he should be gone.

    But if he stays clean and reports to camp in top shape, then he is the best option we have for 2017. If the Bucs has 6 picks in the first 3 rounds, I would have agreed to use one on a RB, but we only had 3 picks and we have more pressing needs than RB.

    It makes me laugh when Joe wanted AP here so badly, who missed most of last season, averaged a yard less than Martin did last year, and is 4 years older.
    Joe wrote that the Bucs absolutely should take an honest look at A.P. in person and study the opportunity he represented. What was the harm in that? Peterson, at least, is available Week 1 and is more impressive than Martin in many ways.–Joe

  13. Lord Cornelius Says:

    Well yeah they’d be dumb to count on him. That’s why they signed Quiz and drafted McNichols. But they’d also be dumb if he showcases as the best RB by far and we just cut him when he can help the team. Not saying that’d be the case but they’d basically be dumb to not let this play out in general

  14. Rod Munch Says:

    Or better Joe you could say Martin has been injured in 3 of the last 4 years, and in the one and only healthy year he was the only All-Pro running back in team history, and if he is in fact healthy he’ll be one of the best running backs in football. You see Joe by the Bucs not signing a FA runningback and not using a top draft pick on a runningback – that’s the team telling you that they don’t view runningback as a problem. I know you’re going to fight to the last hill on trying to be right on running Martin out of town, just like you were doing in 2014 ((um, where was Joe running Martin out of town in 2014?? The Bucs opted rightfully opted out of his 5th year option and let him play out his final, inexpensive season. –Joe), but the team made their choice by not investing in a new guy. Maybe Martin will pop some pills and get released – or maybe the threat that he can be cut at anytime will be enough to keep him motivated and return to form. We shall see – but you were on the Bucs will take a new replacement runner in the draft and that didn’t happen. The Bucs didn’t select a 5th round runner with the intention of running off Martin – and they said so themselves by saying he’s an excellent pass blocker and receiver – those are Sims main skills. I hope the 5th rounder is awesome – that would be great – and even if Martin is good this year (which I think he will be) we all know and can agree he’ll be a pumpkin next year since it’s an even numbered year, so you need to have a replacement ready to go. But for this year Martin will be a stud.

    If I’m right no one will care – if you’re right you’ll crow about it non-stop. If you’re wrong you’ll just say about how every other option would have been better and whoever would have done better, etc.

    I like you Joe, that’s why I read the site – and I love that you have an opinion and you’re not a bore and you’ll go down swinging even as you sink into quicksand. If you’re right you’re right – we shall see in time.

  15. Arealbucfan Says:

    We’re gonna be more like the pats, use multiple backs and not throw a ton of money at them so we can spend more on more skilled players.

  16. Mo_Downs Says:

    Looking forward to Doug making a meaningful contribution.

    I can only imagine the pressure on him because of his PED use.

    The team could use a 1000yd RB to take a little pressure off of the “Winston Air Force” if they want to be more than entertaining.

    Don’t get me wrong. I just think that you have to put your best team on the field.
    I find it interesting that the FO thinks that Martin is their best option at RB.

    OK, FINE..!!

  17. 813bucboi Says:

    doug is here to stay….even joe saw that he was here to stay once we passed on cook and waited until the 5th round to grab an rb….he wont admit it tho….the trade bait thing is BS too….the only way we trade martin is if he fails a drug test….I honestly think he’ll be back and productive…..remember when vjax couldn’t put the bottle down…then he shaped up….time will tell but martin is a buc and along for this playoff ride….GO BUCS!!!

  18. Dusthty Rhothdes Says:

    Since the OL is so stellar ol twinkle toes should be able to shoulder the load the beginning half of the year

  19. Love and Warrick Dunn Says:

    Any RBs on other teams on the chopping block post draft?

  20. GhostofSchiano Says:

    I don’t know what to think at this point JOE. I agree with JOE on one hand but then I read stuff like this –

    and it leaves me scratching my head………..

  21. GhostofSchiano Says:

    I don’t think it will matter who is running the ball if our O-line fails to open holes.

  22. bucsfaninchina Says:

    They can do whatever with Doug and I can live with it, but I think our diamond in the rough is none other than Mr. Peyton Barber. Very impressed with the kid last year.

  23. Howard Returns Says:

    I doubt if Licht even knows yet how much of a role Martin will play this season. I also doubt Licht wabts to trash a good running back over a drug test. The reason Martin’s test failure is such a big deal is because of the deal he had just gotten. If it was a rotational player it wouldn’t even be a story. It’s not like he went full Mixon or full Talib. Glass houses, stones and all that.
    Also he has had 2 out of 5 great seasons if you go back to the rookie year, and his good seasons come when something is on the line. This season he has more on the line than ever before.

    Howard has spoken.

  24. JonBuc Says:

    I just can’t see him back…only my opinion ( well and Ira/Irv )…let the team down when they needed him most.

  25. Matt B. Says:

    Doug is extremely popular in the locker room as well…the smartest thing to do is let this play out as Lord Cornelius said. A healthy Doug is EASILY the best RB on this team and most likely pro-bowl level contributor provided he remains motivated. When healthy, his burst through the hole is still amazing even though he isn’t an overall speed back…he is short, strong, stout and REALLY HARD to bring down. Hands are better than AP too…

  26. Ben Says:

    Martin will be back. If they intended to have a starting running back they wouldnt have waited until the 5th round, taking a sam backer who will play 30-40% ahead of him. Mcnichols is nothing but insurance or replacing sims. Martin will be in camp. I would have love to see Perine in pewter though.

  27. WESLEY Says:

    Keep on hating Joe.
    No hate. Love the team.–Joe

  28. Matt B. Says:

    Yeah, they moved up to take a SAM linebacker ahead of a RB… THAT tells you all you need to know about who is expected to start and how high a priority RB was…

  29. meh Says:

    Give it up. You were wrong on Cook. You were wrong about safeties and linebackers. Martin will be an important part of the team this year. Deal with it.

  30. Bucsfanman Says:

    None of this is worrisome to me. The Bucs are in an advantageous position here whether they keep him or not. The organization holds all the cards: If Martin fails p-test or doesn’t perform well in camp; GONE. If he comes back motivated and healthy and clean; 900-1,000 yards.
    With or without him 4 RBs will have the chance to showcase their talent; Bucs are still in the driver’s seat.
    In the end, it comes down to who will carry this team to victory.
    I know this much, if the organization truly thought they were in terrible shape at RB, it didn’t show with their actions.

  31. Rod Munch Says:

    Come on Joe, I’ve read your site for years – you were totally down on Martin in 2014 until like the last game couple of games of the season and had runningback as a top need going into 2015. I will give you credit, you said Martin had shown something in the last couple of games.

    To my eye, and I’m no scout, the biggest issues in 2014 were the same issues in 2016, awful predictable playcalling. Martin showed good burst the few times he had any type of hole last year, but seemingly more often than not he was getting hit at the line of scrimmage on nearly every play. He wasn’t breaking a lot of tackles, I will say that, but he never had much of a chance. I didn’t see him missing a lot of holes or assignments and had he been doing so then why wouldn’t they have benched him? When Rodgers came in most of the time the Bucs ran the ball differently, they were doing more outside stuff, where as with Martin seemingly most of the runs were between the tackles and there were rarely many holes. One thing that would be useful, and I have no idea if these stats are available, but I’d love to see the difference in offensive playcalling in the first half of games in 2015 and 2016, what was the run/pass rate and where were the runs going on what downs.

    Maybe I’m completely wrong on this, and that’s certainly possible as I’m just a loudmouth fan, but I’m a loudmouth fan with nearly 30-years of Madden under my belt. So take that.

  32. Gencoimports Says:

    JonBuc, there are other Buc players in the last year and a half who let the team down when we needed them the most and they are also still here – Kwon and Jude. LeVeon Bell got suspensed for 3 games two years in a row and he’s still in Pittsburgh. It’s not like there is a video of Martin committing domestic violence or something,

  33. Kevin Nieto Says:

    Thanks Joe, appreciate the clarification. As always, Speak Softly…

  34. Mojiska Says:

    Banking on mcnichols being a starter is the same thing as betting ryan smith being a starter. Not to say it isnt possible, but if that is plan A, you are screwed. I think they wanted someone to fall to them in the draft, but obviously they didnt have the backs rated as high as other positions. That tells me they were comfortable going into the season with what they have for the most part. Maybe they see barber as a full time guy? Maybe they want sims? Maybe its quiz? Maybe even martin? We dont know, but its not out of the realm of possibility that they think martin is the guy this year after his suspension.

  35. Mike Evans GOAT Says:

    Just read a comment section on B#cnation referencing Kobe Faker running his mouth saying that Kelvin Benjamin was WAY better than Mike Evans lol. Benjamin just reported at 280 pounds. Need I say more. LMFAO

  36. JonBuc Says:

    Gencoimports Says:
    May 2nd, 2017 at 1:59 pm
    JonBuc, there are other Buc players in the last year and a half who let the team down when we needed them the most and they are also still here – Kwon and Jude. LeVeon Bell got suspensed for 3 games two years in a row and he’s still in Pittsburgh. It’s not like there is a video of Martin committing domestic violence or something,

    You know…very good points ( although Hey Jude can beat it as far as I’m concerned ). Bell might be the best back in the league and Kwon was and is on his rookie 4th rounder deal. I see a potential impasse if/when Bucs ask for a pay cut/new deal. Should be interesting…

  37. Gencoimports Says:

    Rod Munch, I will say this, and you know I am on your side on this argument – while I also think the Bucs playcalling was subpar last year and the offensive line was weak and the lack of speed was killing us, it didn’t help that Martin wasn’t in the shape he was in 2015.

    I don’t think our line was much better in 2015. It was adequate. But Martin was playing at such a high level he could exploit a tiny crack and turn it into a 25-30 yard game. He did not show up in camp the same shape in 2016 and that’s on him. The OL took a step back last year, but so did he.

  38. rayjay1122 Says:

    First, I really think our run blocking will be much better this year which will make life easier for whoever is toting the rock. Rodgers is a very capable back. I think McNichols will be in the mix as well. I think with improved run blocking combined with a deadly passing attack that we are looking at a top 5 offense regardless of who is toting the rock.

    Go Bucs!!!! Can’t wait for the season to start.

  39. Gencoimports Says:

    @JonBuc, Bell might be the best back in the league, but would we perceive that if he was if he played behind a busted line like ours? Watch him run the ball in Pittsburgh, he waits and waits and waits to pick a hole. If he tried that here he would get killed.

  40. LakeLandBuc Says:

    Kendell Beckwith is more than..just a SAM LB. He started 3 seasons at ILB at LSU. With guys like Kwon Alexander, Deion Jones, Duke Riley as OLB. Kwon and Deion was converted to ILB by the Buc and Falcons. But at LSU Kendell Beckwith was the ILB. In 2015 Kwon was suspended and what did we get at ILB..nothing. If the Bucs didn’t draft Beckwith, who would take over at ILB if Kwon go down?. Also Kendell Beckwith can play DE on 3rd down, he’s the LB that Mike Smith has been looking for. This is a piece written about Kendell Beckwith from the 2013 Under Armour All America Game…………………………………….Usually those in the athlete category are still deciding between wide receiver, cornerback or something close. Kendell Beckwith played a rare combination of quarterback and defensive end in high school and might also play linebacker at the next level.

    The important thing to note is that he has the athleticism to succeed at any spot on the football field.

    Kendell Beckwith made the All Star game as an Athlete….He played QB and DE in High School, he was converted to ILB at LSU….He is way more than ‘ Just a SAM LB’.

  41. Mike Evans GOAT Says:

    OJ will wear #80

  42. LakeLandBuc Says:

    I was responding to some comments about Jason Licht drafting a SAM LB instead of a RB. It may seem off-topic, but I’M tired of hearing that we should have drafted a RB instead of Kendell Beckwith.

  43. BucDaddy82 Says:

    I would not be shocked to see Doug Martin starting week 4 against the NY football Giants. The Glazers quoted on this site about forgiveness with players and learning each players unique situation. Licht talking about how good Martin looks on GMFB. Plus Doug Martin jerseys still for sale on Bucs website. We’ll see….. but a fresh, refocused and rejuvenated #22 would be great for the Bucs. He could have a season like he had in 2015. Hope #22 comes back to Tampa with a vengeance. GO BUCS!

  44. JonBuc Says:

    Mike Evans GOAT Says:
    May 2nd, 2017 at 2:10 pm
    OJ will wear #80

    If so…that’s a bit of a bummer. I was hoping he’d go 88 like he did in college and in honor of the Bucs great tight end Jimmie Giles. I guess he wanted to honor Michael Clayton and/or Patrick “Grape” Hape. 🙂

  45. Gencoimports Says:

    LakelandBuc, I have a feeling that the Bucs will play some 3-4 this year, which would also explain those last two defensive picks.

  46. JonBuc Says:

    Check that…TE Todd Yoder was # 80. Looks like I’ve landed in Moderation Nation anyhow…key word “Clayton” no doubt triggered it.

  47. TouchDownTampaBay Says:

    Hey Joe, I have been disappointed you haven’t written any articles about the Bears moves in the first round. I am sure it would get a lot of discussion. I laughed out loud when I saw give up a lot to move into that number 2 spot and who they picked. I am sure an article would get the MG Mob all wound up.

  48. Dreambig Says:

    I just watched the good morning NFL/Licht interview and Jason did give him sort of an endorsement. Jason said we like our options and are looking forward to seeing what our RM one year removed from being the second leading RB in the NFL can do. So it sounds like they are giving Doug an opportunity to see what he can do. Generally I am on the same page as Joe on this topic but the draft is over and it sounds like Licht and Koetter are being smart and seeing which Doug shows up.

  49. GhostofSchiano Says:

    As long as we have a fine tuned offensive machine by game 5. I took two days off from work just to relax at the den of depression (maybe if we are on a four game win streak it will be called RJS again) for our Thursday night game against the New England Belicheats. No way I am driving home from Tampa at damn near midnight to the Ghost house in Sanford just to be at work the next morning in Orlando at 0500 hrs. Oh no, Took both days off as I anticipate not having a voice for a few days yelling for the boys to beat the Bellicheats. GO BUCS

  50. Dreambig Says:

    TouchdownTB – Check out the link in morning cup of coffee this morning.

  51. BuccaneEric75 Says:

    I’m gonna go out on a limb and predict that Martin will be on the team AND play under his current contract. No restructuring for Martin.

  52. Dreambig Says:

    Morning cup of Joe – my bad

  53. GhostofSchiano Says:

    @TouchDownTampaBay –

    I have been waiting on the same thing as I love to watch the MG Mob worked into a frenzy.

    What are you waiting on JOE?????

  54. nate_tweetz Says:

    The issue of Doug being a Buc next year depends on who, if anyone, steps up in training camp and preseason. If this McNichols kid looks legit, I can see them parting ways with Doug. If not, they will keep Doug around until they can find a better replacement. Joe should not be shocked if this happens. Licht was a year delayed addressing the WR issues on this team. I wouldn’t put it past him to be delayed when it comes to this. It is a huge gamble they’re making if they are going to depend on Doug. However, they gambled with our WR issues last year… We’ll see.

  55. JonBuc Says:

    And Stocker wears 88…nearly forgot…5 catchez for 23 yards last year…didn’t see much of him on the highlight reel ( knowing he’s a solid blocker ).

  56. DavidBigBucFan99 Says:

    Joe who’s really dodging is you………………..common sense that is. If the Bucs were going to get rid of him they would have drafted Dalvin and da chipmunks or Clubherlang Mixon. You’re really missing a good deal of common sense to think McNichols was drafted to replace Marty Mar. Like the other Joe who has some sense said it’s more likely Sims he’ll replace. Joe we got Tampa PD putting out an A.P.B. for your common sense because it’s been missing for a while.

  57. Dreambig Says:

    If Sims is still auditioning for Dancing with the Stars every time he gets the ball, I would rather seem them keep Doug and cut Sims.

  58. Dreambig Says:

    It ends up the same, 0-1 yards and a cloud of dust with more potential

  59. Dreambig Says:

    Cluberlang Mixon – LOL, very nice!

  60. Dreambig Says:

    Heard Ron Diaz talking about right after Mixon punched that girl, he ripped up a parking ticket in front of the cop and tried to intimadate the cop. Not sure if thats true or not but if it is, we’ll be seeing more stupidity from him from him in the near future.

  61. Mike Johnson Says:

    Many..Buc fans are hypocrites in the worst way. You’ll cry foul with Doug Martin yet..Pay Easy money Sweezy millions to wear a floppy hat and grin. Mans made more money than Martin just Skinnin and Grinnin. And as yet to play one single down. Must be,,the Buc way.

  62. BurgDweller Says:

    It is not adding up. I don’t think the Bucs plan on having 4 RBs on the roster. It is obvious that Koetter loves Sims, Rodgers, and Barber. And now drafting McNichols, who Licht and Koetter have sung praises about, the odds of him not being on the roster are very small. Martin is the odd man out here. Still think they will shop him for a draft pick.

  63. Aaron Says:

    The Bucs don’t have to make a decision on DM until September…why cut him now and allow him the opportunity to start over with a new team. He hasn’t done the Bucs any favors.

  64. Patrickbucs Says:

    LakeLandBuc Says:
    May 2nd, 2017 at 1:27 pm
    I hope Doug Martin come back, on a one year $ 3 Million deal. We can take the $ 4 Million in savings and sign Free Agent CB Jason McCourty.

    I’m in 100 pct agreement and he knows the playbook!

  65. Joeypoppems Says:

    Cmon Joe, how could anybody lie to Kay Adams?

  66. Lord Cornelius Says:

    lol pewterreport has an entire article out today titled “All Indications Point to Doug Martin being a part of Bucs back field in 2017”

    … with Scott Reynolds tweeting this:

    “From everything I’ve heard coming out of One Buc Place, Doug Martin isn’t going anywhere. He looks great and he’ll be a Buccaneer this year.”

    Not saying he’s right at all. But it’s kind of funny that Joe basically wrote as if it was set in stone that Martin is gone from the Bucs while another local writer thinks the complete opposite.

    I’d say none of you really know anything and it’ll play out in training camp / preseason based on performance over all else 🙂

  67. Morahdin Says:

    I don’t care who is running the ball we only need 1,200 from the whole back field and with our passing attack and the new o-line setup, Joe could run the ball!

  68. rayjay1122 Says:

    Bucs are going to defeat the Patriots on Thursday night. Mark it down. Gonna be the monumental victory just like when Sapp and company beat the 49ers back in the day.

  69. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:

    Joe, this is how I see it.

    • Licht and Koetter are not saying anything definitive because the ball is in Doug’s court. He’s still gotta prove himself.
    • On top of that, so long as they don’t commit, they have bargaining power with Doug and his agent. I’m sure that if they do want to keep him, they want to do it with a new contract full of incentives.
    • They are talking him up big. Perhaps they are hoping to get trade offers for him, and if they make it known they intend to release him, they lose all power in negotiations.
    • They have said they are willing to wait until his suspension is up before they decide.
    • Our FIFTH ROUND running back is unlikely to be good enough to be a starter, which is what Doug was before. The whole reason for wanting a RB in this draft was to get a starter. They didn’t do that, so that means they either hope Doug works out, or they will sign/trade for a new starting RB.

    You are expecting them to verbally commit far too early. Why is everyone trying to push a decision on them now? They don’t need to, and they gain nothing by saying yes or no right now. It doesn’t mean they will or won’t. It means they are keeping options open.

    Common sense to me.

  70. Drew Says:

    I haven’t seen Joe respond to this many posts since a not to be named QB (J-Man) was not drafted and left Joe hanging at the alter of bliss.

    We love you Joe.

  71. Fred E. Buc Says:

    If there such thing as a backpeddling bicycle, joe could use it to win the tour de france. At least now he admits the bucs may keep him and just says they shouldn’t. Hogwash. Why make stuff up? Seriously. Why? Joe has been very clear. Of course, the Bucs might keep Martin. It snows every 30 years around Tampa, too. Freak injuries happen all the time and one could change the Martin situation. But Joe is confident Martin won’t be here, and Joe is confident he’s not a good choice to be here. –Joe Doug is a buc all year. Mcnichols is here to compete with Sims and barber. One of those two will not make the final 53. If Mcnichols does well, maybe he is feature back 2019 and beyond.

  72. bucs_365 Says:

    I think they’re non-committal because they don’t want to gift him anything.

    I predict that Doug will keep himself clean and sober, and will return as a Buc this year. And I think he will be effective again.

  73. Mike Evans GOAT Says:

    Don’t let the 5th round label determine weather or not McWeapon can be a starter. Remember this was one of the deepest rb classes in recent memory, he could have been a 3rd rounder in most other drafts.

  74. Defense Rules Says:

    Bonzai, you hit the nail on the head. Licht & Koetter love COMPETITION, and for the time being Doug Martin adds to that competition. No urgency to cut him or trade him. Martin’s suspension actually works in their favor (free gift?) since there’s no penalty to the Bucs to wait until Game 4 to make a decision … and anything can happen between now and then. Having the ‘Dougie Option’ may well have been the reason Licht waited until the 5th rnd to draft a RB (since they have Martin still on tap, Bucs could afford to wait on drafting McNichols not knowing how long it’ll take for his shoulder to get to 100%). BTW, I think McNichols might be more of a threat to Sims being with the team next year than anyone else (Sims will be a FA next yr).

  75. Stpetebucsfan Says:

    @ JOE Technical question

    Can you clarify the exact mechanisms and timing?

    Doug nor his agent can “legally” talk to other teams yet because he’s still under contract.

    When does Licht have to fish or cut bait. Everybody here assumes Doug will just take whatever Licht offers him I’m not so sure. I think there are a lot more variables including touches and opportunity for Doug. Despite what the Martin mob believes Doug’s career at his age is teetering right now. He needs to prove himself. He’s already ruined his earning potential for next year no matter who he plays for so I don’t think money will be as important to Doug and his agent as opportunity.

    Does Licht have until the end of the suspension before either cutting the salary and renegotiating which it would seem free Doug and his agent. If Licht has to make that move before the season starts I think Martin is gone…if he can hedge his bets and hang on until after the suspension before deciding then Licht will want to wait and see how our running game develops.

    But am I mistaken or is the bottom line that it will be Doug who decides where he plays not the Bucs if they do not honor the last year of that contract?

    Licht has until the end of the suspension, then if Martin is on the roster when the suspension ends, his full salary becomes guaranteed for the season. They could renegotiate at any time before the end of the suspension. But you are right, Martin might prefer to see what the market offers him rather than take an offer here, if it even came. Also, there’s the unknown of exactly what the Bucs are on the hook for financially if Martin were to get hurt in preseason or spring practice, given that he’s still under his current fat contract.–Joe

  76. Doctor Stroud Says:

    The Bucs coach and GM are “happy” with Doug Martin…until they’re not. There are a lot of factors at play, including injuries, willingness to re-negotiate contract, etc., that will determine whether or not Martin is here. He is on a short leash, and the team is holding all of the cards.

  77. bucNation Says:

    you have a point there joe i just tend to think he will make the roster just by default of being the best back available but hopefully i’m wrong! hopefully this mcnichols guy comes in and lights the place on fire and takes starting job and becomes our guy of the future. that’s the only question mark around this offense with at least a serviceable rushing attack we can be top 3 offense

  78. Blake_bucsfan Says:

    Anybody wanna get a pool going on when we see NosBos on here again?

    I’ll start, 2 months.

  79. Mike Evans GOAT Says:

    Preseason, or just b4.

  80. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:

    Joe says
    “But you are right, Martin might prefer to see what the market offers him rather than take an offer here, if it even came.”

    Also, the Bucs can prevent him from getting offers. Because he is on roster but suspended, no team can do anything until the Bucs decide if they are keeping him, so the Bucs have all of the bargaining power.

    Martin ‘might prefer’ to see what the market offers, but he’s not going to find out unless the Bucs either give permission (won’t happen) or release him (might happen).

  81. D-Rome Says:

    Awwww, how cute. Look at all these muscle hamster fans.

    Doug Martin will not play a snap in the regular season for the Buccaneers. Simple as that.

  82. Bobby M. Says:

    This is coming from a site that thought Manziel was worth a shot….or Dalvin Cook would not be passed up..((Joe never wrote Dalvin Cook would not be passed up. Joe shared other saying that, though. As for Johnny, Bucs needed a QB in 2014, and Joe repeatedly begged for Manziel or Bridgewater to be drafted. No shame there. You don’t know what Manziel would have been in Tampa in a different circumstance.–Joe) …This site is entertaining but not remotely insightful. (You must not be paying attention. Carry on.–Joe)
    Martin is a two time pro bowler with a favorable contract that doesn’t require a decision until the 4th week of the season. There’s no reason to cut him when its highly possible a team will trade for him or another back on our roster should the injury bug hit another team. OR…if the Bucs have an early injury, Martin is better then anything you can pick up on the street. Would he be overpriced…sure. Was Vincent Jackson overpriced…yes. Did we keep him despite falling production….yes. Martin IS a better option then Simms and Barber as well as the new rookie….at least for this season. (You mean based on Martin’s stellar performance and benching in 2016?) Koetter wants to run the full playbook however if you have backs that force you to minimize your calls or tip your hand, then the Bucs offense takes a step backwards when they are positioned to finally arrive.

  83. DavidBigBucFan99 Says:

    They’re gonna keep Dougie just because Joe thinks he should be gone!😂🤣😂🤣😂

  84. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:

    I’m not willing to discount anything. I think it depends on how the other RBs do, whether anther starter is somehow acquired, and how Martin does in his ‘recovery’.

    I honestly think the Bucs had Adrian as a fall back plan…until he was signed by our division rival.

    I would sign Blount for short yardage. He;d probably take a 1 year deal at this point. Or 2.

  85. Buc1987 Says:

    I think Joe needs to make a jersey bet over Martin. lol 🙂

  86. Stpetebucsfan Says:

    the team is holding all of the cards.

    That is true ONLY if they plan to give him the six million due on his contract.

    Do we all understand that IF Licht voids that contract Doug is a FA and he and his agent will hold all of the cards not the Bucs. At the point they void his contract the Bucs will become one of 32 teams free to bid for Doug’s services.

    Folks…it’s a business!

  87. ElioT Says:

    Jesus christ Joe – Get over the f**king Martin witch-hunt already. The guy screwed up once. There is no witch hunt. Joe detailed reasons above. Very clearly and there are several built up over several years. –Joe

    This is a wait and see situation here. They have all off-season to monitor Doug before they make a decision.

    I don’t think anyone at One Buc Palace gives a damn what you think.


    Get over it already, give the guy a freaking chance.

  88. DavidBigBucFan99 Says:

    All you Martin is gone crowd you might wanna check yerrself before ewe wreck yerrself being all confident and so self assured he won’t even play a snap. A certain poster formerly known as NosBos was almost willing to mortgage his house he was so so so sooooooooooo sure the Bucs were gonna draft Dalvin and his chipmunks…………how’d thst work out. You wanna bet they’re gonna play him a lot in the pre seadon to see what they got? Like it was said he is better than any back we got now and he knows the playbook. McNichols is here for an added dimension on offense and returner on ST not to replace him. What’s gonna happen is they’re gonna see how he does BEFORE tearing up his contract. If he blows it up they’ll eat the 6 mil and play him if not they’ll tear it up then release him

  89. Buc1987 Says:

    The day they honor his contract is the day he pulls his hammy again.

  90. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    We always seem to go through this every season. All these fans with zero access to anyone within One Buc Place always claim that they KNOW what is going to happen. What’s even funnier is that you trash the opinion of the people who are in the building, and who actually have conversations with people within the building (on and off the record). If the Bucs had made up their mind they were keeping Doug, someone would reported it, citing “sources”. Have you never followed the NFL before? Think about what has happened at One Buc and tell me how exactly the coaching staff could know Doug was looking great. Do you realize they aren’t even allowed to touch a football? They are doing nothing but lifting weights and conditioning!!! What did you expect him to say, “Doug is fat and out of shape?” I’m sure he’s in great shape. You know who else is in great shape? Herschel Walker. Do you think he can run the football in the NFL? They are saying the right things, but if you think they’ve made up their mind he’s coming back then I’m sorry, but you are just plain stupid. At best case it’s up in the air. Hell, they’ve even said that themlselves. If he comes in and blows everyone away, then I can see them keeping him at the right price. But if you think he’s a lock for this team facing a 3 game suspension (not to mention we don’t know if he’s still on drugs), then you are probably going to be crying by your bedside shortly. Open your eyes and read the writing on the wall.

  91. briandorry55 Says:

    You don’t think they’d burn a 5th rounder on a “backup running back?”…Licht spent a 3rd rounder on one a few seasons ago. McNichols is insurance. NOBODY KNOWS what will happen with Doug, but if he stays in a positive direction he will be toting the rock in Week 4.

  92. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    “Jesus christ Joe (LEE!!!!) – Get over the f**king Martin witch-hunt already. The guy screwed up once.”


    Here’s the thing you don’t get – if he were AD, Leveon Bell, or another consistently good RB, he’d get another chance and there would be no question he would be back. But the fact of the matter is he has only had 2 good years out of 5. He’s getting to be very old by RB standards, and it’s not like he was ever a home run hitting RB. He had a huge year in a contract year, then proceeded to do drugs and get hurt (quite possibly as a result of partying and doing drugs). Let’s get this straight – he is the reason we didn’t make the playoffs last year. His selfishness led to getting hurt, and playing horrible once he got back. He then got suspended at the end of the year, right when we needed him most. So I’m sorry, but don’t give me this BS about him only screwing up once and he deserves another chance. This organization have him millions upon millions of reasons to be the best player he can be, and he failed miserably. He doesn’t deserve jack squat. If he gets another chance, I’ll support him 100%, but if you feel sorry for him or think he’s getting screwed over, then you are 1000% wrong.

  93. Stpetebucsfan Says:

    Could we mix in a couple of facts while we’re thinking about this.

    Statistically there is a 60% “chance” Doug will suck this year…there is a 40% chance he will play well.

    There is an ABSOLUTE CERTAINTY that Doug will SUCK for 18.5% of this season because he won’t even be available.

    How you guys see all that promise out of horrible numbers like that simply amazes me.

  94. Bucsfan4life Says:

    To quote licht ” we like our options at rb right now and one of those options we like right now is the guy who was the 2nd leading rusher in 2014″ that sounds more like an answer than none answer. Not saying they won’t trade Martin but at this time I haven’t seen them make any moves to indicate that nor have I heard any rumbling of that from anywhere else. If they are going to get rid of Martin I think this is not the best year. He has a lot to prove and usually when he wants to prove something he plays very good. Time will tell but I have a feeling Joe is going to end up eating crow on this one

  95. Bucsfan4life Says:

    Meant 2015 not 14. Sorry for misquote

  96. Blake_bucsfan Says:


    Where did those inside sources get Booger when he swore up and down that the Bucs were going to take a running in the 1st round?

    It’s really simple, Both JL and Koetter see that Doug is back in peak physical condition. Dirk is and always has been a fan of Doug. Doug does his best in “Prove it” years.

    Doug Martin will be on the 46 man active gameday roster come Week 4 granted that he doesnt get injured in preseason. Bank on it.

  97. Jeremy Says:

    Joe – the guy made a mistake. He knows the offense. He probably still has some tread left in his tires. He is in a contract pickle and has to perform. Look at the big picture – Doug is going to be the guy who comes in fresh and pushes the team to the playoffs

  98. ElioT Says:


    Here’s what you don’t get:
    Nobody cares what you think. The Bucs kept him and didn’t draft his replacement.

    You guys can bitch all you want about him but he’s 90% likely to be the starter once he comes back.

    So keep pissing in the wind and crying about it all you want.

    He’s here.

  99. Blake_bucsfan Says:

    *running back*

  100. cmurda Says:

    I’ve said from the beginning that D Martin won’t be a Buccaneer this season. The drug situation is obviously a key component, but even more damning is the fact that he rarely stays healthy. His unproductive years, which have been the majority of his career, typically have been a by-product of injuries. Add it all up and the writing is on the wall. Throw in the fact that the Bucs just drafted his clone in the 5th rd and still have a healthy stable of RB’s that were already on the roster.

  101. ElioT Says:

    I love when people say Doug is old. Lol

  102. Fred E. Bucs Says:

    Joe’s words…from an article he posted a couple days ago.

    “Joe does not believe the implication that the Bucs are high on Doug Martin to the point where he has a future with the team.”

    And I said above Joe, you’re backpeddling…this is JUST ONE example of where you said you didn’t believe the Bucs would keep Martin earlier, and now admit it may be the rality. Dude, your example shows nothing. Same thing. Joe doesn’t believe Martin is coming back. Sure, there’s a flimsy shot. But what you’re quoting is no different. Joe hasn’t had any change of mind. –JOe
    YOU CAN CHANGE YOUR MIND. It’s okay. In other responses you were more resolute that Doug won’t be a Buc. But as you allude to now in your admission they just might keep Doug, it won’t take injury or be more uncommon than snow in Tampa. Doug is the Bucs #1 RB going in. Top players starting the season suspended is not uncommon, as you know. Sucks. But not uncommon.

    Oh, I need to answer your question in the article: YES. Teams draft players to be backups all the time…especially in the 5th freakin’ round. Where I’m from, it’s called development and depth.

  103. Joe Says:

    I love when people say Doug is old. Lol

    Run the data on running backs pushing 30 and over. It’s not pretty.

    Martin will be 29 at the end of the season. There’s a reason Jason Licht didn’t guarantee his salary past this season.

  104. Buc1987 Says:

    Hawaiian Buc …for once you’re right! lol

  105. Hawaiian Buc Says:


    Where did those inside sources get Booger when he swore up and down that the Bucs were going to take a running in the 1st round?

    It’s really simple, Both JL and Koetter see that Doug is back in peak physical condition. Dirk is and always has been a fan of Doug. Doug does his best in “Prove it” years.

    Doug Martin will be on the 46 man active gameday roster come Week 4 granted that he doesnt get injured in preseason. Bank on it.”


    First of all, Booger McFarland isn’t in One Buc Place. Second, he prefaced his statement that no one at One Buc had told him they were drafting Cook. Third, the draft is all about smoke screens. Cook wasn’t on our roster, Martin is.

  106. Joe Says:

    Joe – the guy made a mistake. He knows the offense. He probably still has some tread left in his tires. He is in a contract pickle and has to perform. Look at the big picture – Doug is going to be the guy who comes in fresh and pushes the team to the playoffs

    One would hope so but when (remove the name) has three garbage years out of the last four and has a drug suspension on top of it and had to go through rehab, clear evidence suggests that’s anything but a guarantee.

  107. Hawaiian Buc Says:


    Let’s just wait and see. I will promise you that if he’s back, I will man up and admit I was wrong. I will also be the biggest Doug Martin fan at Raymond James. But if you’re wrong, let’s see how much of a man you are. My money says not much.

    Until I hear someone say something more than “Doug looks great in conditioning drills”, I am under the assumption he is on very thin ice. There is no way the Bucs trust him or ever will, it’s just a matter of if they think he’s worth the risk. He better light it up in OTA’s, and maybe even hope a RB goes down.

  108. Fred E. Bucs Says:

    Folks should not just look at Martin’s contract. Who has been unproductive and oft-injured? Chris Sims. Who is in a contract year? Chris Sims. Does anyone think Sims has, as least up until now, earned a new contract? His cap hit this year is just under a million, and he’s a UFA end of this season. He can be traded away until this year’s deadline, and an easy guy to slide right in there is J. McNichols. By NOT re-signing Sims, they can still have him for the first three games (to have depth as Quizz and company fill in for Martin), save the $3.5-4 million per year (or worse $6-7 million guaranteed) it would take to bring him back next year–and spend that on Doug’s current contract (his guaranteed money runs out end of next season). The savings on Sims pays Martin, groom McNichols alongside Martin, with Quizz and Barber backing them up. If Sims knocks socks off in pre-season, see how Barber’s doing. He may be the buggle guy. Guys that keep saying no reason to pay Martin aren’t looking at the whole picture.

  109. Blake_bucsfan Says:

    Joe, Martin may be 1 for 4 in the past 4 seasons. But he’s 2 for 2 in prove it years. The guy plays great when he’s paying for his Job.

    I’d go as far as to say he probably gets 1000 yards last season if the Bucs had heeded your advice and tagged him.

    Idk why you guys are so quick to dismiss what Jason Licht is saying though. The guy is no bs and says what he means. What he’s said up to this point suggests that Doug will be a Buc in 2017.

  110. Blake_bucsfan Says:

    *playing* for his Job.

  111. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    “It’s really simple, Both JL and Koetter see that Doug is back in peak physical condition. Dirk is and always has been a fan of Doug. Doug does his best in “Prove it” years.”


    It’s not really simple. If it were simple, Licht would have already said Doug will be back. Instead, he’s dodging questions like I dodge vegetable buffets. The Bucs have millions of dollars invested in Doug – how much they “like” him doesn’t mean a whole lot when you are cutting checks. I like my friends, but I’m not giving them money to work for me if I don’t trust them. They can get out of this deal and owe him nothing, and they could possibly even trade him for a pick. They would be incredibly stupid to do anything other than wait this thing out. This is a business. This isn’t patty cake. People’s jobs are on the line. Playoffs are on the line. This is far from simple.

  112. Blake_bucsfan Says:

    Bro, i do not understand how saying that a guy looks outstanding, and saying that you’d like a guy who was the second leading rusher in 2015 to be one of your options is dodging a question.

    But ok. Again, we’ll see who was right when it’s all said and done, new NosBos.

  113. Hawaiian Buc Says:


    Ding ding ding. You just said it yourself. Licht is a straight shooter, agreed? Then you followed it up by saying he “suggests” Doug will be a Buc in 2017. That doesn’t sound like something a straight shooter would say, now does it? When you ask a straights shooter point blank if he expects Doug on the team, he’s not going to say “Doug looks great, the best I’ve ever seen him, but we love the other guys we have…….”. Why isn’t he saying a simple “yes”? That’s what a straight shooter would say. He’s dodging the question for one of two reasons: either he knows he’s getting rid of Doug, or he’s not really sure. This is the way it works in the NFL.

  114. Blake_bucsfan Says:

    Bro, re read what i said. And if you recally correctly, the questioned posed to him by Kay Adams was “whats up with the tampa bay backfield.

  115. Fred E. Bucs Says:

    No one in their right mind would have EVER wanted Manziel. My opinion Funny enough, I got hung up on WDAE by a host who, when I said Manziel is the kind of guy to put himself before his team, I was told “That’s just dumb. Ask his team if he puts himself before them.” Then “click” with a hang up on the air the Monday after the draft, and all the ridiculous talk about how many tickets Manziel would sell.

    Of course, we know how it turned out. 32 teams passed on Johnny Mansmell, including the team that ended up drafting him. And he’s out of the league. He and Kaepernick would be akin to the Tonya Harding-Paula Jones rassling match. Some guys just look at stats, look at flare, and don’t think the whole thing through.

    Thank God the Bucs do their own work!

  116. Supersam Says:

    Give it up joe. Martins here to stay.

  117. BuccaneEric75 Says:

    I think it’s all up to Doug. If he’s beat his habit and does everything he’s supposed to do, I think he’ll be back. I think that the addiction was the overwhelming cause of his decreased production. If Licht feels the same way, he could think that a sober Martin could get back to form. He’s got training camp and preseason to evaluate. If this was the last straw, and there was no way for Martin to make the team, I think he would already be gone, especially with hard knocks coming.

  118. Bob in valrico Says:

    doug’s great year in 2015 was in part because of the conditioning program
    he did in the offseason .Koetter saved his career once when Lovie wanted to trade or cut him.Its possible if he repeats that program,they might give him a
    second chance,but if they do,expect him to be on a short leash ala ASJ.
    That said as a fan that wanted DM signed ,have to say that he let the team down with drug use and poor performance. No harm in taking look to see
    which Doug Martin comes back.

  119. Fred E. Bucs Says:

    “Charles” Sims…not Chris…knew something wasn’t quite right. But heck, he was the same too! Injured and unproductive!

  120. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    “And if you recally correctly, the questioned posed to him by Kay Adams was “whats up with the tampa bay backfield.”


    If you watch the video correctly, you would see that the question she posed after that (in the same sentence) was “Do you foresee him playing a role on the 2017 Tampa Bay Buccaneers?”. Why don’t you take a little extra time to watch the video before you make yourself look stupid.

  121. DB55 Says:

    The Bucs should have drafted two top RBs in early rounds but they didn’t. Yet Carolina did.

    The Bucs should have signed AP to pair him with Martin AND drafted a top tier RBs in early rounds but they didn’t the saints did.

    Hopefully Doug does get cut signs with the Raiders and wins a ring.

    This team isn’t interested in winning their only interest is to nourish a relationship with the local media and sell luxury suites. Good luck Glaziers.


  122. BuccaneEric75 Says:

    Bob, I think the only reason ASJ was cut at that time was because he got mixoned. I think if there wasn’t a video of how dumb he was acting he’d have stayed, at least for a while. Whenever you have a drunken video of you telling a cop that you have to take a big $hit, things don’t go well.

  123. Buccfan37 Says:

    Well, the Bucs can paint over Martin’s mug on the stadium and replace it with another popular Buc. Or just ditch the photos and put huge letters up saying: Badass Bucs carry a big mofo stick.

  124. Buc1987 Says:

    Blake…HB’s rolling you.

  125. Bob in valrico Says:

    Another thought on running back situation,September gives the Bucs time to thoroughly evaluate DM and their new draft pick and decide what’s best for the Bucs going forward.

  126. Gencoimports Says:

    The last time it snowed in Tampa was 40 years ago, not 30. An example of Joe making things up.
    You are very wrong, sir. Why attack Joe? CYA–Joe
    And then there’s measurable snow vs. just snow. –Joe

  127. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    This is a win-win situation for me. If we keep Doug, that’s great. It’s not my money, I’ll be happy we are keeping a guy that has the potential to be one of the better backs in the league. If we get rid of Doug, I’m going to remind all these people who are stating it as fact that Doug is coming back.

  128. TampaBay AllDay Says:

    Sooo what has barber or Simms ever done to prove they can carry the load? Lol infamous Joe strikes again

  129. Hawaiian Buc Says:


    Hahahahahahahaaha!!!! Looks like you were the one making things up!!!! I have a serious question: How dumb do you feel right now?

  130. Blake_bucsfan Says:

    We’ll see who looks stupid come week 4. You wouldn’t be the first bozo on this site that I’ve proven dead wrong.

  131. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    “Sooo what has barber or Simms ever done to prove they can carry the load? Lol infamous Joe strikes again”


    They’re not getting paid $7M.

  132. Buc1987 Says:

    Watch out!

    Joe’s carrying a big mofo stick today.

  133. Stpetebucsfan Says:

    Do you guys read what you write. There are a significant number of posters here who agree that Doug plays well when the money is on the line.

    The cite his great contract year without ever thinking they might be conflating coincidence with causation.

    I do not believe Martin has the kind of talent he can ever dog it and then turn it on. He’s not a game breaker…he’s constantly hauled down from behind even in his good years…

    BUT….let’s assume these posters are correct and Doug just plays for Doug and not for the team…even if he might be motivated this season for his own good do we really want to put faith in a guy who has NO RESPECT for his team?
    I do not believe that Martin only puts out in contract years. I think the drugs came because of all the $$$$$$$$$$$…now he has to get his life and career together.

  134. Eric Says:

    Why would they say anything to take the pressure off Martin? They got him under their thumb and can dump him if they want.

    Therefore, keep him guessing and working hard.

  135. TampaBay AllDay Says:

    @ Hawaiian so what? He’s still a better option and we all know what he’s capable of, it’s been nothing but positive reports about him.

  136. Buc1987 Says:

    Eric…see that’s where I’m at in all this. Thought of it earlier, but was too busy watching the war going on in here.

  137. ATrain Says:

    Why not grab Blount????

  138. Belle Glade Buc Says:

    All you need to know about Joe’s football insight is in his statement where he just said in this comment section that you don’t know what Manziel would have been like in Tampa. Yup, Mon Venus, 2001, Ybor, Hard Rock, the beaches, and all ic the trappings of drugs and alcohol wouldn’t have enticed the selfie snapping alcoholic and drug user Manziel. He screwed up in Cleveland, but Tampa, are far more tempting city he would have walked the line. Also he was small, a system quarterback who struggled past his first read. HA! What a joke.

  139. Fred E. Bucs Says:

    Yeah, and there is virtual snow…and snow jobs! LOL> lots of that going on lately!

    Rain, snow, or shine…Doug Martin is the Bucs feature back for 2017.

  140. Buc1987 Says:

    I love how passionate you guys are though. Jeesh. I can’t remember the last time I typed a paragraph on JBF. It means some shyte if yall are typing long drawn out explanations. I enjoy the read. Apparently it’s over now?

  141. Jeremy Says:

    Which is why we have Rogers and sims as options

  142. Bob in valrico Says:

    No question it was a big factor,but he was demoted in camp to third string at start of training camp.Attitude and effort were also factors.
    That said if you have to be at practice at 8:00 or 8:30 getting arrested in the wee hours of morning when he should of been in bed sleeping.Also overriding
    a device that prevents a former drunk driver from driving also shows a chronic problem and the Bucs saw that ASJ head wasn’t in the right place.

  143. Gencoimports Says:


    Reread the article you posted. the article only talks about St. Petersburg, the city of Tampa is never mentioned covering the ’89 incident, and the article even says according to offficial records (city officials can’t throw a red flag for instant replay), it wasn’t even snow.

    Plus even if there was snow in ’89, that would have been 28 years ago, not 30. You are still making things up.
    Joe wrote “around Tampa” to you, not in Tampa. And again, measurable snow and snow are two different things. From the article “St. Petersburg experienced sleet, the records say. The official flakes stopped somewhere north of Tampa Bay, they claim. Don’t tell us that.
    On Dec. 23, a Saturday, south Pinellas County expected flurries. Eyes turned to the sky. And off and on during the day, people reported spying feather-like matter drifting down. Eskimos, said to have two dozen words to describe various kinds of snow, probably would have called this variety qannik, suggesting a fall of no special consequence.” … It snowed and you are now banned for crimes against Joe’s credibility.

  144. Blake_bucsfan Says:


    I don’t think its a switch he turns on and off at his whim, it’s that some guys just don’t play to their fullest potential unless their a$$ is on the line.

    Not saying to extend his contract 4 years and give him back his guaranteed money, but if we can squeeze another great year out of him, why shouldn’t we?

  145. DavidBigBucFan99 Says:

    We needed speed at receiver and we went out and got the fastest FA out there. We needed depth and a better option at 3rd receiver and we drafted a steal of one in the 3rd. We needed a safety we drafted one in the 2nd. We supposedly needed a new running back being we wait until the 5th for one, and you guys think it’s wrap Dougie is gone. A tarot card reader couldn’t give you a better heads up where Doug will be IF he burns it up during TC and PS.

  146. biff barker Says:

    I wonder how much sway the locker room plays into this. Seems to me the OL likes Doug. Remember, we blew a lot of coin to keep VJax last year too.

  147. DallasBuc Says:

    All this dismissive pompous certitude reminds me of when we assured that incompetent Lovie Smith wasn’t going anywhere after tripling his grand win total in his second lousy season. Entertainment value will be high when Martin is toting the rock for us immediately upon return from his suspension!

  148. Gencoimports Says:

    We also blew 7 million for Verner to mostly ride the bench. The team is over 27 million under the cap. If Martin gets cut, it won’t because of the money.
    You might want to look into the cap and the rollover deadlines/periods.–Joe

  149. BuccaneEric75 Says:

    Swing that big stick, Joe. I love it.

  150. Blake_bucsfan Says:

    Freaking Lol, this poor guy just got banned because he couldn’t let go an argument about snow. Holy crap that’s funny.

  151. ElioT Says:

    @ Hawaiian

    “My money says not much”

    Okay tough guy… You don’t know anything about me nor do you deserve to question my man-hood so GFY.

    Why would I give a f**k about admitting I was wrong about anything on I have far more important issues and obligations to worry about in my life than what some dumb-a** like you thinks.

    Keep bitching about Doug Martin all you want, most of you all would be the first losers to be groveling for an autograph or selfie if you saw him in public.

    Y’all act like he’s some PoS like Jeremy Stevens, Talib, Mike Williams, Eric Wright, Blount or ASJ…

    He’s dealt with some injuries and OMG!!!! he is a young millionaire who partied too much??? What???

    At least man enough to admit it and check himself into rehab and try to make up for his mistakes.

    Most of you haters act like he held you cuckold and boned your girl. Get over it!

    Jason and Dirk are showing character, loyalty and leadership traits by sticking with a seemingly loyal, good teammate who strayed. If you know anything about leading men, employees or just running a successful business you would understand why they haven’t cut Doug yet and are allowing him the chance to prove his worth again. Especially when they aren’t on the hook for anything. F**king clueless cry babies.


  152. Chris Schiefen Says:

    So you’re saying they should rely on a 5th round rookie instead?

  153. JabooBuc Says:

    Can’t understand why Licht or anyone associated with the Bucs would pin themselves in by committing either way. They hold all the cards and can go any direction they want. There will be cuts of good players by other teams later this year. If they find somebody they like better, see ya Doug.

    Why are we so fixated with the current roster? Only roster that matters is game day.

  154. ElioT Says:

    We all love the Bucs but some of you all are such idiots.. Good god.

  155. Duke Says:


    Tampa Palms 89 we had light flurries briefly.

  156. Cobraboy Says:


    I miss the Johnny Football and Dalvin Cook threads.

  157. Cash Says:

    The writer reminds me of Trump. Hardly ever right… but in his mind never wrong, and throws out things with no factual basis. Yet like Trump entertaining.
    That’s quite a compliment/insult. Anyway, re-read Joe’s article here. You and others are reading what’s not there.–Joe

  158. Brett Says:

    Joe: I read you guys every day and always look forward to both of your opinions. Here is where I am hoping you are wrong on Martin… if Martin has cleaned up, the Bucs should be able to evaluate whether that happened. Hoping if that happens, he gets one more year on a reduced contract. Rogers didn’t stay healthy last year, and you know Sims probably won’t. McNichols said his shoulder held him back and had surgery. His reps will be limited in the off season, don’t you think? McNichols won’t be a 3 down back this year. In fact, he is a 5th round version of Martin.

  159. MtBucsFan Says:

    How about a poll on who thinks Martin will be here and who doesn’t

  160. BringBucsBack Says:

    So Joes, do you believe Jameis’ glowing endorsement of Dougie?
    Jameis publicly loves everyone on his team. Always. –Joe

  161. Doit Bucs Says:

    Get over it Joe. Martin will be are #1 RB unless someone else shows up big in the first 3 games. They picked up a RB in the 5th round that could turn out to be great. There playing it very smart to hold on to him remember how many RB went down last year hurt. They get paid the big money because they know what they are doing or they will be out of there job. I believe they are doing a great job a lot better then you or I could do.

  162. Lord Cornelius Says:

    Martin at absolute best is an above average back and at worst is terrible. He’s not an elite RB. I don’t care that he was 2nd in rushing yards without the context.

    He has never averaged over 5 YPC even in his 2 best seasons. 3.3 YPC the other 3 years. Had huge games in each of his best seasons that inflated his states. If you take out the Oakland game Martin had 4.1 YPC his rookie year which wasn’t as good as Jaquis Rodgers last year. Take out the Giants game in 2015 and it was 4.47 in 2015. Solid but not elite.

    In each of his best 2 seasons he still was under 4 YPC in 50% of his games played. He had over 100 yards rushing in only 9 of his 32 games during his BEST seasons.

    Compare that to Jordan Howard’s rookie year – 5.2 YPC average; 7 100 yard rushing games in only 12 games getting stater’s carries.

    Martin has had bad O-lines for the most part – I will give him that. But he doesn’t seem like the kind of back who I’d ever think is a top 10 RB talent even in his best years.

  163. Cobraboy Says:

    ElioT Says:

    Jason and Dirk are showing character, loyalty and leadership traits by sticking with a seemingly loyal, good teammate who strayed. If you know anything about leading men, employees or just running a successful business you would understand why they haven’t cut Doug yet and are allowing him the chance to prove his worth again. Especially when they aren’t on the hook for anything.


    Neither Licht nor Koetter are lying crapweasels, especially on personnel issues. Their honest candor is a big reason for the chemistry this team clearly has built.

    Neither has made a fan-friendly cheerleading endorsement, true enough. But why would they at this point? There is nothing to gain.

    I’ve never worked for anyone else in the last 30 years (except on short-term post business divestiture employment contracts) and I’ve hired over a thousand people in my career, counseled hundreds in serious “Come to Jesus” meetings, and have dealt with all manner of addictions with employees, alcohol, drugs and sex. That’s an ugly, dark corner of the employer sea, possibly the most difficult to navigate in business with legal, moral, ethical and financial ramifications that could explode. And you know what? I never once threw a party for a returning employee from a visit to rehab and said “we’ll just forget this all happened and pretend things are back to normal, your job security is unquestioned.” Never.

    But I DID give space for the employee to prove he is back with a proper attitude, a positive team member and a worthy contributor to the business. Most did well. Some didn’t.

    From what I read Licht & Koetter are giving Martin plenty of space to show himself free of demons and worthy of a spot on the roster. I would actually lose respect for both had they handed the job back to Martin without Martin earning it.

    And all I’ve read from his teammates is nothing but high praise for his physical and athletic condition, respect as a positive teammate and true love for him as a man.

    I don’t read between lines, or hear what I want to hear. I don’t wear Pre-Ordained Opinion goggles, and upon issuing the apple and roadmap to the ex-wifely babe, I kicked my WordTwist Transmorgifier Device to the curb.

    How about we just wait and see how Martin fits in before trashing the guy’s future? There is still plenty of time.

  164. Tackleblockwin Says:

    We just need the season to start already lol. Only 5 months away 🙁

  165. ElioT Says:

    And if any of you guys were saying “let’s draft Mixon” and at the same time ready to wash your hands with Doug Martin…

    Well, you can’t really call yourself a man can you?

    Go Bucs!

  166. Alanbucsfan Says:

    Joe- Bucs are giving Martin chance because they have alot invested in him-
    No. 1 pick and big contract – they don’t want to look bad, especially if he can help team , or worse, goes somewhere else and has great year. The Bucs are playing this right and their draft was solid. If he relapses or doesn’t perform, they’ll cut him and Licht and Koetter will maintain respect in locker room. By the way, I think Martin was busted for adderol (spelling) which I don’t think is a party drug.

  167. Fred E. Bucs Says:

    So Joe bans a guy just for saying Joe is making things up about snow? So that’s the decorum here? You can own the blog and call other people who haven’t done anything wrong various forms of fecal mattter (football players and other media types) but disagree over facts and get banned. Very unclassy! Tsk Tsk Tsk. Such a good blog other than that.
    Joe bans folks for attacking Joe’s credibility without merit and/or maliciously. Joe has no time (today excluded) to babysit those comments that undermine Joe’s good name. The gentleman today met that standard. This is Joe’s place of business. Joe doesn’t go to anyone else’s business to trash them. Joe doesn’t recall referring to players and media as fecal matter (outside of Austin Seferian-Jenkins and his public defecation issue while handcuffed).–Joe

  168. Fred E. Bucs Says:

    Alan..don’t forget too…if the guaranteed money is gone, the contract is still for $6 million this year…well worth it if Doug is in an up year, which even the doubters would agree he’s due for.

  169. Nano107 Says:

    The butt hurt cause we didn’t draft Cook parade has started. Lol
    This article is so bias, yes he is suspended but they are going to hold on to him. simple as that.
    Where’s the bias? Joe’s simply trying to be straight with fans. Call it what you want.–Joe

  170. Jeff Sully Says:

    Doug Martin seems to only be good when he is put under pressure. I’m ok to see what he’s got against a pretty deep backfield now. That Boise state instgram post looked like desperation at its fullest. The bucs are all in so we can critize all we want but this organization made a choice a long time ago.

  171. Cobraboy Says:

    Alanbucsfan Says:

    By the way, I think Martin was busted for adderol (spelling) which I don’t think is a party drug.

    Per the CBA, the team and league are NOT permitted to utter one word about which substance. None. Zero. Big penalties if they do.

    It’s agents and players who get to say what it is with no one contesting what they say.

    Seems adderall is the substance of choice to announce. It sounds much better than ‘roids, cocaine, molly or other less honorable substances. Don’t forget Freeman was an “adderall” guy, too, even though being seen in the snow crowd.

    It’s liars poker.

  172. Fred E. Bucs Says:

    Joe, at risk of being banned for disputing your version of the facts, just this past week you made such references in describing former Bucs QB Brian Griese and just yesterday…in an article you said:
    “Joe does not watch Colin Cowherd, who Joe enjoys calling “Cowturd.” So you say “Joe doesn’t recall referring to players and media as fecal matter.” Correct Sir. Maybe you don’t recall it (shewd choice of words!), but you did write it.
    Hey, that’s up to you…doesn’t offend me, other than I didn’t like the reference used on Brian Griese, for no good reason (sticking up for old family friends), and just commenting on the weird rules of engagement. As I said, good…no great blog…just some odd decorum.
    Thank you. Yes, Joe has called Cowherd “Cowturd” so long that Joe forgot. Excellent work.–Joe

  173. Issic Haggins Says:

    Barber is the best runner on the roster , he just isn’t a complete back……….. Quite being cute and sign Charles , all you would here first camp is how good he is and just keep him at 12 touches a game and you now have something with the Rogers and Barber ………..

  174. meh Says:

    On the read, this post is a joke. Too bad it wasn’t intentional.

  175. BUC55 Says:

    Joe you have been wrong about Doug Martin from the beginning. You just don’t get it.
    So was Joe wrong when Joe screamed for the Bucs to drop the franchise tag on Martin for 2017, in order to make him prove it in consecutive years? Of course, his drug suspension got the team off the hook for millions, but that doesn’t mean Martin is a running back to be trusted this year.–Joe

  176. Dave Pear Says:

    Joe wrote “around Tampa” to you, not in Tampa. And again, measurable snow and snow are two different things. From the article “St. Petersburg experienced sleet, the records say. The official flakes stopped somewhere north of Tampa Bay, they claim. Don’t tell us that.
    On Dec. 23, a Saturday, south Pinellas County expected flurries. Eyes turned to the sky. And off and on during the day, people reported spying feather-like matter drifting down. Eskimos, said to have two dozen words to describe various kinds of snow, probably would have called this variety qannik, suggesting a fall of no special consequence.” … It snowed and you are now banned for crimes against Joe’s credibility.


    WOW. Just WOW. Crimes against Joe’s credibility? Are you kidding me? The commenter started this all earlier by writing that Joe makes stuff up, and then wouldn’t let it go.–Joe I’ve seen posters here truly come after your credibility before and they are still here. (When spotted, they are warned and/or banned.)–Joe You are being way over sensitive today. I have been coming here to your wonderful site for over 3 years and I do not remember you ever blowing up like this before.
    Even poor TBBF (I won’t type the full name because I’m sure it is in your filters) has to use Tampabayucsfan because you banned him for some innocuous remark.
    Anyway Joe you need to calm down a bit. BTW I love your site and since I rarely post anymore I wouldn’t care if you banned me as long as I could still read the articles and especially the comments.
    Thanks for all your guys hard work.

  177. Kevinthepainterimagine Says:

    jason licht also said in an interview the other day that anyone has a chance to.make this team. Joe sounds like a really really crappy broken record. I for one thing it would be the dumbest thing imaginable to NOT have Martin on the team this season. The guy is a pro bowl running back, and its fair to.assume he will have his best season yet in his career this year. Hes a vet, he screwed up and now he is clean. Hes the best rb on the roster and want to make a.playoff push you keep.him. onlu a complete idiot would blame a rb for getting 2 – 3 yards per carry when the defnese only has one recieving threat and conservative play calling. I will happily bet Joe that IF doug Martin starts for the bucs week 4 and gets his starting job back, that he will get more yards and touchdowns than Dalvin Cook gets in 16 games

  178. Stpetebucsfan Says:

    There is a phenomenon here that is a bit humorous.

    Some people are taking their “guesses” and proclamations really seriously. And when their point doesn’t survive they become very defensive.

    I’m not talking about the Joe’s who actually make a living out of this stuff. It’s a bit galling to watch the amateurs here assail Joe because he’s not a Doug Martin mob member.

    Again that great line from the orginal Godfather…remember when they try to murder the Brando character and his son Sonny…James Caan…starts going off saying everybody he’s going to wipe out when the Robert Duval character…the Consigliere who is supposed to think things through says…

    “You’re making it personal Sonny! It’s just business”.

    Some of you guys are making it waaaaaay to personal. Joe I understand…for him it’s just business…not that he doesn’t love football but this is his life and career. Doug Martin btw is in the same spot. It’s just business.

    NOBODY believes the Bucs will honor Martin’s contract as written. This has the effect of making Martin an FA in waiting. When we void his contract can we resign him at a smaller deal? Surely….IF…Martin wants to sign and we propose the best deal. 31 other teams and some of them like the Patriot have needs at RB. Let’s see what the “business” says.

  179. Buc1987 Says:

    I warned em Joe.

    I warned em as early as I could.

  180. cmurda Says:

    Joe had to remind me of ASJ’s poop situation. I’m feeling nauseous now.

    Thankfully, I just looked again at our draft picks again and I’m feeling much better now.

  181. Buccfan37 Says:

    It snowed in Tampa when I was a kid. It was also 16 degrees another time.

  182. Buc1987 Says:

    You people can take JBF or leave it. It will survive with or without the comments section. I’ve always said it’s not for everyone. It’s for me for sure. It’s not for naive or homer-like fans though. The Joe’s are opinionated and edgy for a reason. They make you want to drop a comment every day. This threads pushing 200 comments and it’s the offseason. Can any other Bucs site match that? Hell can any Fins site match that? I say no. This is Joe’s house. He’s been picking this Martin fight for awhile now. Why are people so ticky tacky over snowflakes? Are they themselves snowflakes? They’re acting like it.

    This is Joe’s opinion. Do you have one too?

    Sorry I’m not sticking up for Joe. They need no help from me.

    The comment section has been growing Joe. Might need to babysit more often.

  183. Dave Pear Says:

    Aren’t you the one with a $1200 dollar a week weed habit?

  184. Fred E. Bucs Says:

    StPete: You say “NOBODY believes the Bucs will honor Martin’s contract as written.” I’ll bet the Bucs believe they will.

    If they believe Martin can run the football well enough this year to get them into the post season, he is worth every penny of the $6 million they will pay him. And I believe they think he will do that, along with his supporting cast, including J. McNichols.

    At most, MAYBE they won’t go for the guaranteed money, but that only matters if they want to cut him at the end of this year. That is, IF he does well this year (and his past pattern points to that he will) and they keep him around into next year, his guaranteed money is paid and they can be done with him.

    Just my take.

  185. Last Buc Fan Says:

    One thing I realized after years of visiting this site, is that no one is always right and that no matter how you feel about the content. You will come back tomorrow. Hell later on that day. Some bad, some not, but all good because so
    Thing about the team I love. And there is something everyday.

  186. Stpetebucsfan Says:


    Just to be clear…you’re saying that the Bucs will not only keep Martin but pay him his original salary to do so?

    You do understand that if the Bucs do not honor that 6 million which is considered the likely outcome then they have no inside edge in negotiating with Doug. He will be a FREE AGENT.

    Now something doesn’t make sense with some of you. IF you believe he’s a great RB and elite…and some of you have even have even suggested he has trade value….why wouldn’t Doug and his agent shop for the best deal? And if he’s all that what makes us certain how much the market will bear.

    Some people are having it both ways here.

  187. Fred E. Bucs Says:

    Frankly, I think it is good we are talking about which RBs to get rid of as opposed to where are we going to find one…

    That said, one of the biggest concerns left I see is at backup QB. Three of them have stats of 3 of 7 combined, all coming from Sean Renfro with the Falcons. There is not much out there, but the only guy I really see if Brandon Weeden with the Texans, who drafted Deshaun Watson and have Tom Savage. Maybe the Bucs can get him. Weeden isn’t a starter, but he has enough experience to perhaps keep the Bucs afloat if Jameis goes down for a few games.

    Maybe Joe can assemble something soon on what the options at QB are?

  188. Buc1987 Says:

    Dave Pear …since you’re keeping track. No it’s around $5,000 a week now you sissy boy whiner.

  189. Rrsrq Says:

    Doug will run for a thousand yards this year, hopefully it will be in pewter. McNichols will replace Sims when he gets hurt, but before he does Sims will have 400 total yards and McNichols will pick up where he left off. I can wish, can’t i

  190. Dave Pear Says:

    How can you afford that when you’re banking almost 30 K a year?

  191. Buccaneer scotty Says:

    Cry baby cry lmao!!!!!

  192. Fred E. Bucs Says:

    ST Pete…YES, I am saying they are paying a RB who, absent his problem last year, $6 million…which is not outrageous money IF the Bucs expect “good” Doug, and I think they do, and get good Doug. What I am also saying is I THINK if they keep him for 2017 and he stinks, the guaranteed money left (if they want to cut him) is only another $6-7 million for next year. They lost that much on othe palyers all the time. And the years after next year don’t matter. Yes, there is no reason to re-negotiate his contract is my point…if the Bucs think he can be back in good form. Their goal is not to save cap space…it is to be poised to win. No, I don’t think Doug has trade value really. But if he does well, he can either be here next year or then go somewhere else…

    If the Bucs wanted AP, they could have had him for $3-5. Then didn’t bite. If they wanted Cook…they could have had him.

  193. Buc1987 Says:

    I’d love to see good Doug back. Imo as of right now we might see it, we might not. Like StPete says in general we don’t know. So they gamble on Doug, pay him, then he gives little effort or gamble on, pay him, and he gives full effort.
    Licht and company are the ones that really know the current answer and to tell anything more than vague would hinder the process in many ways. Joe’s hunch is Martin’s toast and he gave valid reasons why. So much that I could run with that as much as I could run with Martin’s defenders.

    S.O.B. I don’t know what’s going to happen with Martin.

    Stay tuned for Hard Knocks.

    P.S. Dave Pear…don’t hate me because I’m beautiful.

  194. BuccaneEric75 Says:

    St Pete, I believe Doug will play under the current contract. Renegotiate or don’t, it’s the same. The number I’ve seen thrown around here is 3 million per. We’re way under the cap. That 3 mill don’t mean squat. He’s only gonna get paid around 6 ,not 7, after his suspension. He can and will be cut after 2018. Voiding his contract gives him an out. I think Licht is expecting Martin to beat his habit and play well in 2017. After that, he is gone.

  195. Dave Pear Says:

    You forget in your narcisstic ways you have posted pictures of yourself.
    You look exactly like the Elephant Man to me.

  196. nonety9buc Says:

    Rod Munch: “Doug Martin is the only pro bowl running back in team history.” ????

    How long you been a fan bro?

  197. JimmyJack Says:

    Don’t be idiots about Doug Martin. He has had a couple of great seasons here. His potential is defined and high. That’s why they’re not so quick to just up and drop him.

  198. Hawaiian Buc Says:


    I envision you writing that post to me with tears rolling down your cheeks. I’m really sorry to have made you cry. It’s going to be okay, I promise.

    Perhaps the tears rolling down your cheeks have kept you from being able to read. As I said a couple times, I’m fine with Doug coming back. It’s not my money, I like the guy, and am fine if we ultimately decide to bring him back. However, I’m also smart enough, and perhaps old enough, to know GM-speak when I hear it. This is not an endorsement by any means. You can believe it is all you want, but we will see down the road (of course you already said you won’t acknowledge if you’re wrong, but whatever). If I’m running the Bucs, there’s no way in hell he’s getting his money. If he wants to play for Cuban sandwiches, then I’d consider it, but he can’t be trusted. He can’t stay healthy, he can’t be consistent, and he possibly can’t stay off the drugs. Falling in love with potential is what losing franchises do. The guy has had 2 good years out of 5. You can make excuses for him (some are totally legit), but the fact of the matter is he plays a disposable position and he hasn’t consistently produced. That doesn’t fly in today’s NFL. You getting all butt hurt at me over me telling you how it is is your prerogative.

  199. Buc1987 Says:

    I’d like to find those pictures on here. Cause I am one beautiful human being!

  200. Dave Pear Says:

    You forget in your narcisstic ways you have posted pictures of yourself.
    Holding some sign. Unfortunately beautiful does not come to mind. Maybe hideous would be more apt.

  201. Buc1987 Says:

    lol HB…that’s the way I read his comments with tears and all.

    Plus I’d rather look like the Elephant Man than Mike Glennon…

  202. Mike Evans GOAT Says:

    The hatred and nonsense in this thread is amazing. People arguing over snow in Tampa and the amount of $ spent on weed? LOL. what is wrong with you people

  203. Buc1987 Says:

    Dave ….post the picture already. Oh that’s right there is no picture of me ON the net. Like none. Nowhere. I’m glad I made such an impression on you that after your long absence from posting you still remember me. Good for you pumpkin but the only pic is me holding a sign up at game with the face covered.

    I did however get my quote from JBF placed in the prologue of someone’s book.

  204. Dave Pear Says:

    So….you’re almost famous.


  205. Buc1987 Says:


    The wonder of me :

  206. nonety9buc Says:

  207. Buc1987 Says:

    Mike Evans GOAT…Dave brings the hate. Go Bucs!

  208. Dave Pear Says:

    No. I love the Bucs. You…not so much.
    And you’re actually proud of saying ” Embrace the suck?”
    What kind of fan are you?

  209. USFBUC Says:

    The Bucs are playing wait and see. They can’t say that DM will step in and start once his suspension is over because it will already be one of the other guys job earned in training camp and preseason. Coach K has addressed this already when talking about not being able to give DM snaps in practice because he won’t be in the game.

    I would like to see Barber, Blake Sims, or McNichols step up and take that starting gig along side of Rodgers this year.

  210. Blake_bucsfan Says:

    Dave Pear, you’re coming off as quite the white knight.

  211. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    So many of you are taking this personal. It’s difficult, but you have to take your personal feelings out of this and remember it’s a job. My very first job was at a fast food place. I got tickets to see Michael Jordan play after his retirement from baseball. I requested off, but didn’t get it approved. Of course I went anyway. When I got back, I was fired. I was a model employee, but I broke the rules and was easily replaceable. Its the same situation with Doug. The Bucs have the opportunity to wash their hands of a salary that wasn’t being earned. They can get someone for cheaper that can probably do the same job. I’m sure they like the guy, but his performance hasn’t matched the money he got last year. Running backs aren’t fine wine, they don’t get better with age. We’ve seen his ceiling, and he’s never going to reach it again. Besides, if you’ve paid attention to what we’ve done in the offseason, we are going to be a passing team. We aren’t giving our RB 25 carries a game. We are more likely to throw the ball 40 times a game. This is Jameis’s team, not Doug’s, or anyone else’s.

  212. Dave Pear Says:

    That’s what I do. Correct injustice. 🙂

  213. Mike Evans GOAT Says:

    Well, your first mistake was requesting the day off. If I want the day off, I just make up some bull$hit and it works every time. Lol

  214. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    @Mike Evans,

    I was 16 and stupid, lol.

  215. DB55 Says:

    Dave Pear Says:
    May 2nd, 2017 at 8:43 pm
    Aren’t you the one with a $1200 dollar a week weed habit?

    it’s up to $5k now? I’m impressed!!!!

  216. BuccaneEric75 Says:

    Hawaiian, you might be right, but it’s my opinion that Licht thinks the only reason his production fell off is because of Doug’s addiction, and that if he’s got that beat, he can be a Pro Bowl caliber back this year. I think he sees what I see: the most loaded offense the Bucs have ever had, minus one piece… the RB. If Doug can regain his form our offense can be unstoppable. Licht has taken chances and made his bets before (Aguyao, Sweezy), why not now?

  217. USFBUC Says:

    I agree Hawaiian – the Bucs have the tools now to use the pass to setup the run.

  218. Dave Pear Says:

    Yes you were. I just ran with it because he didn’t deny it.

  219. Hawaiian Buc Says:


    I definitely see that logic, but I just don’t buy it. I’m not saying you’re wrong. I want Doug Martin to come back and rush for 1300 yards. But I’m looking at it from a business perspective. If I told you that you had to bet me $5000 that Doug would run for 1000 yards this season, would you really take that bet (I’m assuming 5K is a lot to you like it is to me)? You want him to run for 1000 yards, but deep down you have a serious doubt that he won’t. Well, that’s how I would guess Licht feels. Although it’s not his money, it’s his boss’s money and he is responsible for how it is spent.

    Let’s put it another way. Let’s say I told you you can give me $50,000 for a 10 year old Ferrari, but I can’t guarantee you that it is going to run properly. And by the way, you can’t drive it until months down the road. Your other option is to have 3 Toyota Camry’s for $20,000, and I can guarantee you they will run properly and not give you any problems, and you can drive them right now. Which would you take?

  220. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:

    Stpetebucsfan Says
    “That is true ONLY if they plan to give him the six million due on his contract.

    Do we all understand that IF Licht voids that contract Doug is a FA and he and his agent will hold all of the cards not the Bucs. At the point they void his contract the Bucs will become one of 32 teams free to bid for Doug’s services.”

    It’s until they decide to release him or not. And they can wait until after the 3rd game of the regular season, when opportunities for good money are dried up. Until then, if a team makes him offers without permission from the Bucs, it is tampering.

  221. Mike Evans GOAT Says:

    Can we sell the camerys? Lol

  222. Blake_bucsfan Says:

    That’s your own subjective opinion, you can add as many anicdotes as you see fit but it doesn’t make your argument any more sound.

    You are ignoring the obvious fact of the situation, Jason Licht and Dirk Koetter are 2 candid men with a sense of loyalty.

    Every word they have spoken up to this point indicates that Doug Martin is very much in their plans for the 2017 season.

    They have said numerous times that Doug is back in great shape, just like he was to start the 2015 season, and that he is in the right mentality.

    Jason has made it a point to mention that Doug Martin is 2 years removed from being the NFL’s second leading rusher…

    “We’ve been happy with the trajectory that he’s on. I’ve said that before, but it’s the truth. He has the right mindset right now and looks good physically. We still have some time there. Just two years ago he was the second-leading rusher in the NFL.”

    Maybe instead of trying to guess at what you think is being implied by what he isn’t saying, you just listen to the man.

    I tried telling this to Joe when he argued relentlessly with me on the Subject of Tight end being a need. And that if presented with the opportunity, he would surely draft O.J. Howard over just about anybody. And I posted this quote several times to get my point accross…

    “We love the way Cam has come on. The way the tight end position is, it’s really two positions; you have the “Y” and the “F”, and the Y’s are hard to find. They are very few and far between, so that’s something that every team is always looking for; a guy that can block and a threat in the passing game.

    So you can have two very good tight ends. So, if you draft a tight end high or sign a tight end that has someone like Gronkowski already, that doesn’t mean that they’re unhappy with their starter. You need multiple tight ends; you can do a lot of good things with two tight ends.”

    But still, I was met with resistence.

    You need to understand something dude, as of right now Doug Martin is in the plans of the 2017 Bucs. But thats not something Licht has to come out directly and say, because he has the leverage. Doug still has to continue to impress through training camp, into the preseason.

    Obviously if he sucks the big one, he’ll become expendable. But you can bet on this, if Doug shows off big time burst and determined running like he did very early on in 2015, Doug Martin will be slated to return as the lead back. Bet on it.

  223. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:

    USFBUC Says
    “I agree Hawaiian – the Bucs have the tools now to use the pass to setup the run.”

    If getting weapons was the only need on offense, that would be true. But Winston had to pull off miracle scrambles for a reason last year. The offensive line was unable to protect him.

    So we have to ‘hope’ a LG with two years experience and a year and a half recovering from an injury came do well, and that a pro bowl LG can successfully make a move to Center, and that the right tackle position suddenly plays well enough so that Jameis has time to throw.

    At the very, very least, RT should have been addressed.

  224. Buc1987 Says:

    No Dave you’ve always ran with it as fact.

    The injustice happened the day your dad didn’t pull out.

  225. FuNkYxMuNkEy Says:

    We should contact the Bengals and see what they want for Gio or Hill. I would offer them Doug and a pick or just picks straight up. Either guy would help our team and we would finally be rid of the check collector.

  226. Hawaiian Buc Says:


    If I were to hear the words “we plan (or even “we expect”) on Doug running the football for us in 2017″, then I would say that’s a real endorsement. I don’t get how you think “we have some time” is a ringing endorsement. I know they are candid, but you have to know they aren’t going to say “guys, there’s very little chance Doug is on this team next year”. That would be stupid. Licht holds his plans close to his vest. Did you forget he’s a Bill Bellicheat guy? The best GM’s in the league don’t let people know their real intentions.

    Do I think he’s 100% decided Doug is gone – no. But judging off how he has answered the questions, I wouldn’t put it much lower than 90%. Again, if I’m wrong, I’ll be happy. I like Doug Martin. I hope he gets better and runs for 2000 yards and wins the MVP. I hope he plays here until he’s 45 and makes the Pro Bowl every year. But wanting something to happen and having it actually happen are two different things. We can have this argument for the next 6 months, but if he is running the ball against the NY Giants week 4, I’ll be shocked.

  227. Blake_bucsfan Says:

    @Dave Pear

    I’m afraid that you are unfamiliar with the modern day connotation of white knight. Mayhaps thee should it up on urbandictionary.

    Never mind i’ll save you the time, it means beta male. 😀

    Ya’ Cuck.

  228. Trubucfan22 Says:

    If dirk and licht arw straight shooters then why havent hey said Doug has already plaued his final game as a buc? Why is he still on the roster? The whole idea of straight shooter crap dies with what i said above. They arent conmiting to doug martin at this point. Just like they havent named any other running back the atarting RB for the season. It is too early to tell. Martin is still on the team, meaning he has been given the chance to earn his role on this team.

    If doug was not in the plans at all, then why is he still on the roater? Why is working out with his teammates at one buc? If martin gets injured while working out at one buc, wouldnt he get a huge injury settlement? If martin had no chance to make the team, then why risk it. And why keep stringing the whole thing along? Can you please explain this to me joe? Instead of repeating the same dribble in every Martin article you write. I would love to hear why you think Martin is still on the roster.

  229. USFBUC Says:

    @Bonzai – hopefully one of our RBs is a good pass blocker. We could always run two TE sets on every play, chip the DE or OLB then Brate and Howard run short curl, flat, or Seam routes.

  230. USFBUC Says:

    I was hoping we would take a tackle at some point in the draft but we didn’t . I think our line will be okay but it will certainly be addressed in the next draft and FA.

  231. Blake_bucsfan Says:

    You are just parsing words. And laser focused on what little you think may infer what already fits your preconceived notions.

    While at the same time ignore a large amount of information suggesting the contrary.

  232. Buc1987 Says:

    Where’s NosBos?

    Oh well. Good night.

  233. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:

    People mistake the Center as being the issue. It wasn’t. Take Winston’s big miracle scramble against Chicago. I’ve seen multiple people claim it was the Center position that allowed the pocket to collapse, but it wasn’t.

    Notice number 72 Center Ben Gottschalk? He’s actually pushing his guy out past the line of scrimmage, manhandling him. It was the running back who allowed the pocket to collapse because he left his blocking assignment. The moment he did, in came a defensive player, forcing Winston to scramble.

  234. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:

    USFBUC Says
    “@Bonzai – hopefully one of our RBs is a good pass blocker.”

    Our new draft pick is supposed to be good at it. I watched the above video over and over to figure out who it was that blew that blocking play, but I could not tell for sure if it was a RB or WR, or who it was. I assumed it was a RB, but I could be wrong.

  235. Blake_bucsfan Says:

    Don’t mistake me for a Dougie fanboy HB.

    Going into the offseason I thought he would have been cut already.

    But based on all the information I’ve been presented, based on positive endorsement from Jason Licht, Dirk, Jameis, and all of his teammates.

    Incase you didnt notice, we werent exactly in a rush to draft a Rb this weekend. And just like JL has endorsed our O-line, so to has he defended our current group of running backs.

    Go back and watch his post day 2 combine presser, he seems pretty emphatic when delivering his comments about being confident in the guys they have.

    I’m not going out of my way to defend Doug out of fanaticism or love. Just noticing all the signs that point to him returning to the active roster.

  236. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:

    Blake_bucsfan, I think I agree that they will possibly keep him. Really, it could go either way, but I’m leaning toward them keeping him, unless they sign a good veteran.

    I think they should sign Blount for a year for the short yardage plays. Great opportunity to see if it makes a difference so they can plan to draft a short yardage back next year.

  237. Blake_bucsfan Says:

    Oh and here’s a funny anicdote for you, for as poor as his stats were, in the games Doug Martin started, the Bucs were 6-1.

    Probably more indicative of Jameis’ ability to win without a running game than anything.

    But interesting none the less.

  238. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    “If doug was not in the plans at all, then why is he still on the roater? Why is working out with his teammates at one buc? If martin gets injured while working out at one buc, wouldnt he get a huge injury settlement? If martin had no chance to make the team, then why risk it. And why keep stringing the whole thing along? Can you please explain this to me joe? Instead of repeating the same dribble in every Martin article you write. I would love to hear why you think Martin is still on the roster.”


    There’s definitely a chance he could be on the team……at a much lower salary. Anyone who thinks he’s getting his $7M (or whatever it is) has lost their damn mind. However, I can think of two reasons right off the top to keep Doug on the roster. First of all, in case a team wants to trade for him. Better to get something than nothing. Second, what if Sims, Rodgers, or Barber gets hurt? Everyone forgets we were on our 6th string RB fairly early in the year last year. If that were to happen, then they’ll pay Doug whatever they have to. Are they running a bit of a risk that he could get hurt? Absolutely. But you can’t get rid of him now unless some team makes us a deal we can’t turn down.

  239. DislocatedBucsFan Says:

    Dang Joe!

    I have not read an article where you have posted this much. Its been a lot of fun reading all these comments hahaha

    Go Bucs!!!!!

  240. Hawaiian Buc Says:


    I do realize things “look” like he’s coming back. Looks and reality are very often two different things. After the draft, I thought to myself maybe Doug is coming back. As soon as I watched the interview with Licht, I immediately read something between the lines. It’s always funny to me how people interpret things so differently. The fact that nobody in One Buc is saying they expect him on the roster tells me his chances aren’t great.

  241. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    I think I’ve just seen so much GM-speak over the years that I have learned to not buy it. I’ve seen it so many times – player X looks great, until he’s not on the team.

  242. Blake_bucsfan Says:

    Well, I guess the most telling thing to me, is that if they had no intention employing Doug Martin, they would have released him before free agency.

    They wouldn’t be stringing him along just to give him the boot. They would have given him a shot to test the market.

  243. Eric Says:

    IMO it matters little if Martin comes back. Even at his best he was hardly elite.

    If our line plays well another back can run as well as Doug, and if we suck on the line He won’t help us.

    Rodgers, Barber, the new guy, and Sims combine to match anything Martin can bring to the table. Teams don’t fear Martin, he’s just slightly above Mediocre and can’t take it to the house.

    Don’t understand the obsession.

  244. USFBUC Says:

    @bonzai I think the blame there actually goes to the guard. He rode the DT into the ground when he should have let the tackle take that and then taken the DE who was coming around the DT. It could have also been in the RB to step into that space and block the DE coming up the middle.

  245. USFBUC Says:

    Sorry DE and OLB

  246. Blake_bucsfan Says:

    Yeah, pfft, Totes agree Salty Eric. Anybody that can lead the league in forced missed tackles and yards after contact is like barely even serviceable.

    Running backs should only be judged by long straight line speed. Who cares about first downs or moving the chains. Defenses dont even care about 20-50 yard runs.

    Why should they? Great points dude you are so smart.

  247. BuccaneEric75 Says:

    Hawaiian, I haven’t lost my mind. 3 million or 6, we don’t need the money. It’s one year, not long term. He’s gone after 2018 anyway. I don’t see other players losing thier deals after a drug suspension, why Doug? I’m good if he plays for 1 million or 6, don’t care. If it doesn’t work out then it’s done and off the books next offseason. We are going to roll with 4 of the 5 backs we got. I’m good either way, just don’t count your chickens.

  248. SB Says:

    I don’t give a damn who is running the ball. Pro Bowlers at both WR positions. The NFL’s leading TE in TDs and supposedly the best TE drafted in a Decade maybe along with some Hump and some Godwin thrown in and the Run Game is WIDE open. Ain’t no stacking the Box against this offense.

  249. FuNkYxMuNkEy Says:

    They have kept him on the roster to see how he performs during the off-season. If he is serious maybe but the main reason is to give the other guys added motivation to do well.

    We now have 5 guys with a chance of playing a decent amount of plays. Injuries are another big reason as well. Especially after last season and how many guys we went through.

    All that said, we are not paying him 6 or 7 million unless he kills it in training camp and preseason

    The fact no one has come out and said he is one of our backs is truly telling imo. No GM or HC would badmouth a guy who still has trade potential. Teams will see him as a guy who was close to leading the league 2 years ago and hope they can get a similar result.

    It’s only may, we have until the end of August to make a decision. It’s called being smart and weighing all your options. My guess is he will be gone before the start of the season. We have 4 good backs that can do just fine and saves us 6-7 million.

  250. Nano107 Says:

    Joe is mad they didn’t draft Cook
    He was banging the drum, lobbying etc
    And yes you’re bias I used to like this website I don’t anymore you are banning people cause a comment about snow really !!! I’m out
    Joe is not mad about Cook.–Joe

  251. FuNkYxMuNkEy Says:


  252. FuNkYxMuNkEy Says:

    I will say that since the 2nd Joe was added this site has become way more argumentative from the Joe’s standpoint. Not always a bad thing but not always a good thing either. Who was banned and what does it have to do with snow…im so confused lol

  253. JameisDungy Says:

    We can make due without a great running game if Jameis is ready to run the uptempo offense.

    I know they wanted to do it last year, but Jameis was having his turnover issues early in the season.

    If Jameis is ready to ready to roll Bucs should be good. Is this the year he lives up that Peyton Manning like potential?

  254. FuNkYxMuNkEy Says:

    Jameis is always going to have 15+ interceptions. That’s just who he is. He has the belief he can can make every throw at any time, which I’m glad he is that way, but it’s a high risk high reward situation.

    Our ground game is going to be great for the simple fact teams can no longer stack the box against us. With Evans, DJax, Godwin, OJ, Brate, and even Hump and Walker, teams will be focused on 4 guys on any given play that aren’t the RB. Getting Sweezy back will be a huge help in the ground game as well.

    I can’t wait for the season to start. We are going to have one of the best offenses in the entire league and a good D as well. Things are looking good for a Tampa fan!!

  255. Buc15 Says:

    somebody get Joe a molly. Martin will be our dude so better get used to it.

  256. Lamarcus Says:

    Martin can be caught licking donkey butt for all I care. He must be w us this year. Cuz defenses will respect him.

  257. NFLNut Says:

    Is this the year Jameis lives up to Peyton?

    Peyton was older than Jameis when he came into the league, had two extra years of NCAA experience … and proceeded to throw ONE HUNDRED INTERCEPTIONS in his first 4 years.

    Jameis is way, way, way better at his current age than Peyton even dreamed of being at the same age!

  258. Justme Says:

    Well, that thread was well worth the read. I think it is safe to say that Joe missed his afternoon beer with all of the butthurt messages to people today. Honestly, I think Joe might be right on this one. But I imagine the bucs wont make that decision until the very last minute. So everybody chill out and go have a drink to an exciting upcoming season.
    Joe’s buttocks are unbruised. Thanks for caring. –Joe

  259. Lamarcus Says:

    Sorry for the graphic content but games over Joe. I know I would be out of a job if my piss is cloudy plus bad performance. Corporate America cheese I get it. But defense will not respect the the latter and makes no use of these weapons. We need a “name” rb to line up. Stats can’t make this up. I’m pissed we went safety 2nd and not the trade up for cook to make this thing SB unstoppable worthy. But they didn’t so this is where the “need” kicks in. Yea u go sign a rb for mega millions then cut the next year and explain to everyone including your boss how bad of a deal this was for both parties and whats worse he turns out like Bennett. I wouldn’t pull that trigger of cutting him.

  260. Lamarcus Says:

    I’ll cut him next year tho. But not this year

  261. Lamarcus Says:

    Cut him next year. Then get a hall of famer w a bum knee for 3 mil. Easy. The temptation for Howard might be costly if they cut martin this year. No way Joe.

  262. Lamarcus Says:

    I’m rooting for Martin on behalf of koetter and licht. This would be a huge mistake in the end. Its already a disaster but salvage able. Plz for the sake of what ever it is. Don’t do it. This will be awful on licht resume. I love this tandem gm and coach and never ever want another coach in my life nor another gm. These guys EARN my respect in a alotta ways. Im pulling for Douggy in the worst way possible.

  263. NFLNut Says:

    If I had to bet $$$$, I’d bet that Doug Martin is carrying the rock against the Giants in week 4 …

  264. SteelStudBuc Says:

    Why make stuff up?–Joe

  265. SteelStudBuc Says:

    How r u gonna look Doug Martin in the eyes

  266. cmurda Says:


    Not smart to make that type of accusation against Joe. I’m just trying to give you a friendly warning before you get one that is less friendly and doesn’t come from me.

  267. PRBucFan Says:

    Ahhh yes the daily Joe

  268. Cobraboy Says:

    Blake_bucsfan Says:

    Oh and here’s a funny anicdote for you, for as poor as his stats were, in the games Doug Martin started, the Bucs were 6-1.

    Probably more indicative of Jameis’ ability to win without a running game than anything.

    But interesting none the less.

    Interesting stat.

    Perhaps Martin keeps defenses honest with LB’s staying closer to home?

    Isn’t that how the running game benefits the passing game? It’s not always about yards or taking it to the house…

  269. DPewter Says:

    I believe the bucs believe with Sweazy coming in healthy, Pamphile’s encouraging improvements, sending Marpet to center, and drafting Howard it doesn’t really matter who is back there because the holes will be there.

    Bucs fans put too much emphasis on RBs. I have seen very few running backs have success without a good O’Line. I thought our TE blocking was below average and Stocker in the game was a dead give away. Our centers allowed too much penetration. I think getting the right blockers upfront is more important than RBs.

  270. Bucsfanman Says:

    “How r u gonna look Doug Martin in the eyes”

    Um, probably the same way you look Kwon in the eyes!

    Do YOU have any skeletons in your closet SteelStudBuc? I’ll assume that for 99.999999999999% of the people on this site that it’s a redundant question!
    Why such high drama to justify one’s personal opinion? He owned up to it didn’t he?

  271. Buc1987 Says:

    Nano107…not so much about snow, so much about why attack Joe over snow in the first place. Plus said Joe was making stuff up. Ban makes sense to me.

  272. PRBucFan Says:

    Daily Martina Denial* lol