Kenny Stills, Nerd Fairy Tales & Bucs Eyeing Dalvin Cook
February 18th, 2017
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Bucs need help. They need #WeaponsForWinston. We all know that. Can it be… Victor Cruz?
No. But that’s just me saying that. Who knows what can happen.
Look, the NFL’s king of salsa dancing was once a force in New York before knee injuries derailed his success. Even with OBJ lined up opposite him, his production was “meh” at best.
Personally, I feel a free agent like Kenny Stills – a 24-year-old receiver – would be a great option. Yes, some of you many of you feel he drops too many passes, but that is certainly not the case, my fellow cavemen.
Check this: Stills only dropped 2.5 percent of passes thrown his way out of 81 targets, according to Sporting Charts. To compare, guys like DeSean Jackson, Kenny Britt, Odell Beckham, Jr. had higher drop rates. Mike Evans was also higher but greatly improved from the previous year.
Of course, there are several factors that play a role in that but the numbers are intriguing. Have Stills complement Evans and that could be the receiver duo the Buccaneers are looking for.
The Stat Geek Warriors
Those of you that have already followed me for quite some time or have read my rants linked right here on JoeBucsFan.com, then you know how this next subject is a sensitive topic for me.
Nerd victim
The stat nerds over at ProFootballFocus.com ridiculously retweeted this tweet from NFL Media’s Chris Wesseling, praising his words saying, “Well said, Chris.” If you have not seen what I am referring to, you can read it here.
This is comical. Extremely comical. Why? Because what Wesseling said made no reference to people – like PFF nerds– who go around acting like they are on the field, in the huddles, or in coach and player meetings to “know” that a player was out of position or missed an assignment.
Look at how they grade out Bucs’ linebacker Kwon Alexander. Opposing offenses feel his wrath those stat warriors “grade” him horribly.
And let me not bring up the time Packers quarterback Aaron Rodgers went off for five touchdowns on a Monday night and finished with a 138.5 passer rating. Those nerds graded him with negative points. NEGATIVE POINTS!
Eventually, these useless fairy tale “advanced stats” have to stop. If teams truly paid attention to them, Alexander wouldn’t be the Bucs field general on defense and Aaron Rodgers would have been cut after that week.
A Cook For Their Recipe
The Buccaneers’ front office is well into draft season, formulating strategies approaches. There have been several rumblings already and some have reverberated through the cave.
While it is all preliminary at this stage, it is worth noting the following:
It has been shared with me that the team is closely eyeing Florida State running back Dalvin Cook and perhaps weighing options on what it will take to move up in the draft for him.
Again, this in no way means they are dead-set on doing that, but perhaps merely forming a potential plan or getting a feel for teams ahead of them. There also is a likelihood they could change their focus to other potential worthy targets and not just Cook.
While trading up may seem unimaginable, it is not far-fetched. Especially if the coaches, the front office or even Team Glazer feel the time to do so is now.
February 18th, 2017 at 9:05 am
We’ve been trying to replace Warrick Dunn for over a decade. Not saying Cook is Dunn, but he’s the closest thing I’ve seen. Being from FSU or not …
February 18th, 2017 at 9:16 am
Eyeing #weaponsforwinston, eh??? How about some better blocking? Not to bash the second brightest spot on the offense next to mike Evans… but those guys up front didn’t always have winstons back, and certainly didn’t block nearly as well last year as they did the year prior. Watch closely, because the Bucs scouts are secretly looking at more help up front. Center, and possibly guard, seeing as the reincarnation of Carl nix has embodied an injury prone former seahawk in JR Sneezy… we need better blockers for a more potent run game to take the pressure off Winston in the pass game. We will be solid.
February 18th, 2017 at 9:18 am
I don’t love the idea of trading up. But I do trust Licht if he feels that is of value. I would love us to sign Stills… and, even more so, Calais Campbell. To me, that would turn our draft situation into being able to strictly draft BPA. Yes, of course we have a lot more needs, but in a draft deep in RBs, we can get one in rds 2 or 3 based on BPA. Yes, improvement at S would be nice, but it is not dire – here to we can get one when BPA comes up.
But we are desperate for DL help and a WR to compliment Evans and give Jameis another weapon. Signing these two addresses that.
February 18th, 2017 at 9:20 am
I watched every game Warrick played for Florida State and the Bucs and he was obviously a great draft choice but Dalvin is better than Warrick Dunn.
February 18th, 2017 at 9:37 am
I think we need to trade up to get Cook and. In the 2nd. The 2nd get a wr.
Cook is a game changer.
February 18th, 2017 at 9:42 am
Benjamin Disraeli the British PM is credited with the saying…Mark Twain popularized it and it’s as true today as it was back then.
“Lies, damned lies, and statistics” is a phrase describing the persuasive power of numbers, particularly the use of statistics to bolster weak arguments.
I share Gil and Joe’s views on the PFF crowd. They’ve found a niche and I give them credit for one thing…they are doing a good job of milking it for $$$$.
I’m not anti statistic at all…only believe they need to be kept in context…and the eyeball test.
Context means that blaming our OL as inept doesn’t take into consideration that four of them had to play for five. We went through ’16 without an RT…I mean that literally when Gosder was in there. We could have put up a blocking dummy…a sled…and it would have been as effective as Cherilus. Sadly Dot wasn’t much better. 4/5th’s of an Oline is no line at all. But again in context it doesn’t mean the entire OL sucks. We need an upgrade at Center and we need a totally new RT…we could draft a raw meat rookie who could outplay Gosder/Dot and I realize Benenoch fought injuries last year but if he can’t step it up this year and outplay the two jokes at RT then I have questions about him.
It also means some of #3’s decision make was his fault for sure…but some of it is playing without an RT and DE’s constantly running down your throat.
February 18th, 2017 at 9:44 am
Wausa…I second that.
Dunn was no Dalvin. Dunn was very good. Dalvin has that twitch, burst and then he’s in the end zone from 40 yards out.
Can we use any of that? You bet your damn ass we could.
February 18th, 2017 at 9:58 am
Buc1987
I’m not sure some of the Bucs fans understand how special of a talent Dalvin is.
He will open up the passing game because teams can not allow him to get to the 2nd level. If they do he will be gone. He is great at pass protection and fantastic as a receiving running back. Plus the guy loves football and is all about winning.
I think we could use that on the Bucs.
February 18th, 2017 at 10:01 am
better blocking is more of a need.
you can get running backs anywhere in the draft.
half the backs in the league are later round picks and are very productive.
don’t need to lose picks to get a running back.
build an amazing o line and any back can be successful.
February 18th, 2017 at 10:03 am
To touch on all 3 of these topics:
I like Kenny Stills. I would like the signing. To be honest tho, I dont like Stills as a #2 WR. Everywhere he has been he has been the #3 option. So I would like the addition but would still like another WR.
As far as PFF goes I agree with Stpete about statistics. Context is a big thing that is left out of them. Which is why Ive been saying that stats dont tell the whole story.
And finally onto Mr. Cook. Now, if anyone has been reading my comments it may seem that I am anti Dalvin Cook, which is not true. I like Dalvin Cook, I think he will have a ton of success, and I think he is the CLEAR #1 RB ahead of Fournette because of his impact in the passing game as a receiver. He can be a true feature back.
Now with all that said I am 100% against trading up for just about anybody in this draft. Ive said before that I would only trade up for Jamaal Adams or Malik Hooker and I have since backed off of that statement.
If Dalvin Cook is there at #19 and we take him I would be ok with it. A RB in the 1st round is by no means my favorite idea, but I would be ok with it and I understand why they would do it. Now if Dalvin Cook was the only RB that was capable of being a ln every down RB in this draft then yes I would be all in on him like others are. Imo there are other RBs that are capable of being every down RBs in this draft. Whether or not Licht and Co. feel the same way I have no idea.
February 18th, 2017 at 10:10 am
Definitely agree about Stills. Having him opposite Evans would definitely start to slide the coverage away from Mike, Brate and Hump, likely resulting in fewer blitzes. While on that subject, we seriously need to look at an upgrade or two on our O-line. RT is the most glaring need, however upgrading at C and this allowing Marpet to remain at his G position would definitely help. Ask Matt Ryan how much it helped having a good center hiking him the ball. Lastly, I ABSOLUTELY agree about bringing Campbell on board, if it’s feasible for us to do so. I believe he could have an impact on our line not unlike Simeon Rice did (albeit from a different position). Teams wouldn’t be able to run on us with impunity, and with him next to McCoy, with Spence and Jac Smith (when healthy) off the edge, there should (in theory) always be someone making a beeline to the opposing QB.
February 18th, 2017 at 10:23 am
We all can pray for Cook, but I don’t think he will be there when we pick. If we don’t over pay for free agents I say trade up, just don’t sell ur soul. I am all in on Stills, but I don’t know about Campbell. We already have a 30 year old DE in Ayers and I don’t want to get too old too fast. How about Sherrad from New England. FA who fell out of favor with Belichek mids Eason but put up good numbers the past 2 years, and still 25 years old and would be cheaper. Let’s stop thinking about the over 30 FA gang like Campbell, DJAX, Garson. Let’s build a Dynasty with young players who can win for years to come.
February 18th, 2017 at 10:31 am
I just don’t how some can act as if a player work that type of talent and played his ball right here in the Bucs backyard wouldn’t at a minimun a major topic on those in that buildings mind. I’ll say it again I won’t be jumping out any windows if Dalvin doesn’t end up a Buc. But on the flip side of that I’ll be doing cart wheels draft night if he dose. I’d willing to bet anything he won’t let any of the naysayers down. He won’t man I swear on that s@$! .
February 18th, 2017 at 10:32 am
4 ever did you even read the man’s article. Did you even read it dude!!!
February 18th, 2017 at 10:32 am
Unfortunately Miami will likely resign him
February 18th, 2017 at 10:43 am
Miami drafted a WR early last draft. And Landry rookie deal is soon to end. My dolphin co worker is quite concern that they won’t re sign him.
February 18th, 2017 at 10:53 am
I’d take Stills too Nos. Right now i’d be happy to sign either Him or DJax. And Get Curtis Samuel in the 2nd if at all possible.
And Nos bro do me a favor and check out that Kareem Hunt vid I posted if you haven’t already.
February 18th, 2017 at 11:20 am
NOS…and I’ll be crying if he goes to Carolina.
February 18th, 2017 at 11:22 am
I did bro. He nice. I had a question on that thread tho. If you were forced to choose between Hunt and Kamara who you taking.
February 18th, 2017 at 11:24 am
Anything possible 87 I just find a little peculiar Rivera and Ozzie making statements about needing Big name RBs in February. Why you show your hand this early. Smells looked gamesmanship to me. But to piggyback I would prolly cry😀.
February 18th, 2017 at 11:29 am
Kareem Hunt.
The only knock on him I have is the same knock Blake gave to Dalvin.
Dalvin looked real good against the likes of Wake Forest said Blake.
Then we’re supposed to say what about this kid? Hunt looked real good against Ball St and Western Michigan.
February 18th, 2017 at 11:29 am
Hunt all day. Don’t like Kamara personally. Plus he’s projected as a early second or late first rounder. I’d take Curtis Samuel over Kamara in the 2nd. And then use either our 3rd, 4th, or 5th round pick on guys like Perine, Hunt, or Jamaal Williams.
February 18th, 2017 at 11:39 am
Here is another question that nobody seems to be able to answer.
If RB’s are so plentiful that we can get one in the later rounds then why does everybody believe Dalvin will be gone by 19? Fournette? Are JBF posters that much smarter than the NFL management?
You can take ANY position and say look how many were found late. Why did we waste a #1 on Fameis…Brady went in the 6th round…Why a top pick for ME…Antonio Brown in the 6th after 21 other WR’s…I could do this for every position…NOT just RB. I do not understand the lack of love here for RB’s.
The very best of ANY position tend to be drafted earlier not later…that INCLUDES RB’s. There are a lot of very good TE’s in this draft but nobody is saying don’t waste a pick on Howard because there are plenty of TE’s to be had in the later rounds.
Greg Olson 1st rounder
Rob Gronkowski 2nd rounder
Jason Witten 3rd rounder
Travis Kelce 3rd rounder
Jimmy Graham 3rd rounder
Again we can cherry pick any position for examples of late round success but the odds of finding gold decrease exponentially as you drop in the rounds and after the 3rd it’s a 50-50 crap shoot at best.
February 18th, 2017 at 11:48 am
Hard to argue what you said Pete. As far as Hunt and Kamara go I would lean towards Kamara. I think some prefer physicality I kinda look for that burst. That’s why I’m so BIG on Dalvin. Now with what Gil has disclosed today I think we can agree that moving up is a possibility. The question then becomes at what cost. USF made some great points about that possibility the night.
February 18th, 2017 at 11:49 am
Many Draft “gurus” have Dalvin ranked over fournette as their #1 RB Stpete.
Way to many RB needy teams picking ahead of us for him not to be gone.
And Petey, my dude. Yes it’s true there are success stories about late round picks at every position.
But none more so than the modern day running back.
Exhibited here by facts. Posted on this wonderful site by one of the Joes.
https://www.joebucsfan.com/2017/01/data-says-wait-running-back/
February 18th, 2017 at 11:52 am
87 Dalvin also performed well against the SEC’s UF Miami and Michigan. If Devonta hadn’t convinced DC to go FSU I’m not sure we would’ve beaten them any of those game. UF stays with a loaded defense.
February 18th, 2017 at 11:55 am
Blake have done any research on Dan Feeney C??? Number 1 at that position. I see a mock have us taking him.
February 18th, 2017 at 11:58 am
And the reason why I feel as though drafting Howard over those other guys would be wise, is because there isn’t another Tight end in this class that is the complete package O.J. Howard represents.
He’s a straight up Physical specimen. He has the explosive play capabilities desired by Dirk Koetter, and true Every down player potential. I’m telling you Stpete, go on draft break down and watch his games vs Tennessee and Texas A&M. And tell me he doesn’t man handle Myles Garret and Derek Barnett when the opportunity presents itself.
He is an all around threat, whether he delivers a pad cracking lead block that springs his running back for a long gain, or catches a flat route and turning it into a 20-30 yard gain, Or just flat out beat safeties and Line backers down field on Seams and Post/Post corner routes.
Where as there are arguably 5-7 Rb’s available in this draft that have the potential to be just as impactful as Cook in year 1. Some more so.
February 18th, 2017 at 11:59 am
Its like he said by no means is that written in stone. But if it came down to that what are we wagering???
February 18th, 2017 at 12:05 pm
@ nole
Please do not jump out the window before you give me my jersey lol. I am all in for kenny stills!!!!
February 18th, 2017 at 12:08 pm
I think I saw a little bit of Dan Feeney at the Senior bowl. He looked solid, nothing out of this world great tho. Wouldn’t use our first on him.
If we traded out of the first we could use our 2nd pick of the second round on him and I wouldn’t be mad.
February 18th, 2017 at 12:12 pm
😁I hear you Webster. The one mock I saw had us taking him in the 2nd.
February 18th, 2017 at 12:12 pm
I will say this, Feeney is a much better athlete from a physical standpoint than Joe Hawley. As much as I love his scrappy demeanor, We need do need an upgrade at Center.
February 18th, 2017 at 12:20 pm
How you feel about bama’s Ardarius Stewart???
February 18th, 2017 at 12:33 pm
Blake,
You pointed out a late round RB Jahad Thomas/Temple, that I thought was impressive, but maybe a bit small for a bell cow RB. While I was there (Youtube) I saw another late round RB that looked impressive and a bit larger, RB Joe Williams/Utah.
The rap on Williams as I have read is because of family matters, he retired in October, then came back. Scouts may not be sure of his commitment to football. I’m not suggesting the Bucs take him but he did have a 332 yard game that stood out. Any thoughts? Maybe a UDFA?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Y8WyD-nmWY
February 18th, 2017 at 12:38 pm
I like the thought of adding Stills because he would be facing his old team twice a season. Prolly would be his biggest games every year. Stills 6’0 190lbs. Adarius Stewart 6’1 205lbs. Rueter mocking him to us in the third.
February 18th, 2017 at 12:51 pm
@NosBos, while I haven’t done any specific research on Stewart, I will say this, In All those O.J. game tapes I’ve watched, Ardarious Stewart flashed some stuff here an there. I wouldn’t be mad at him in the 3rd if we got Hunt or Williams in the 4th.
February 18th, 2017 at 12:55 pm
There will be a lot of disappointed Bucs fans on Draft Night.
February 18th, 2017 at 12:58 pm
Well put ya man on it and tell us which one’s Lakeland..
February 18th, 2017 at 12:59 pm
Man get some balls make a big trade. Get Landry from Mia. Get pro bowlers. Have some urgency. Stop accepting mediocrity. Win baby win.
February 18th, 2017 at 12:59 pm
And have you been to Mojos lately??? It ain’t just me bro.
February 18th, 2017 at 1:03 pm
Nole. The Bucnation will be disappointed, like they was last year.
February 18th, 2017 at 1:06 pm
I was so mad with the 2016 draft. I said I would never, ever, concern myself again with the Bucs draft or free agency signings. And I’m sticking to my guns, I’m just going with the flow. They can sign whoever, they can draft whoever.
February 18th, 2017 at 1:07 pm
I wasn’t disappointed last year. At least not with our first 2 picks lol.
February 18th, 2017 at 1:13 pm
Wow. I think going into any draft expecting more than two solid staters is a reach depending on your current roster. I feel VH3 and SPAWN will soon be a pair of “that dudes” as well. I also feel Roberto will be just fine. I mean that’s a young man that had whole football world rooting against so they could feel good about themselves feeling like Licht had made the wrong decision drafting him where he did.
February 18th, 2017 at 1:18 pm
But I wanna know this Lakeland when the article says “eyeing him closely” in reference to DC what does that Intel to you??? Going over film over an over or maybe rereading his stats over and over??? Would it be beyond the pale to believe they have someone watching his every move wherever he is currently in the country??? Especially considering how some of his off field transgressions have highlighted here on JBF.
February 18th, 2017 at 1:21 pm
If the latter is indeed true. I’m sure Jimbo has already filled him inn.
February 18th, 2017 at 1:27 pm
NOSBOS
Again I wonder how much intel on DC the Bucs are getting from #3?
February 18th, 2017 at 1:33 pm
If the Bucs draft Dalvin then every squirrel in Tampa better watch his ass.
February 18th, 2017 at 1:40 pm
I’m sure it’s a positive one Pete. I’m still waiting for an answer on what we would be willing to wager to make the move??? I if I know that savy Jadon Licht we won’t be giving up any picks this draft. Mr personally you can have my late first rounder next season. I give a rats about that 32nd. H3ll if a late 3rd in 2018 was required you can get that as well.
February 18th, 2017 at 1:41 pm
The Falcons have been killing us in the draft..The last two drafts. 2015. 1.DE Vic Beasley. 2. CB Jalen Collins. 3. RB. Tevin Coleman. 4. Justin Hardy. 5. DT Grady Jarrett. 2016. 1.SS Keanu Neal. 2. ILB Deion Jones. 3. TE Austin Hooper. 4. LB De’Vondre Campbell. UDFA CB Brian Poole. That’s 8 players who started for them last season and 2 more who played a lot. Then you throw in Free Agents Mohamed Sanu, Alex Mack, Taylor Gabriel, Courtney Upshaw, Dwight Freeney, Derrick Shelby, Aldrick Robinson. And those 17 players made less money combined than VJAX, Verner, Sweezy, GMC combined.
February 18th, 2017 at 1:42 pm
Now that’s funny 87😁. I’m sure they’ll place a no BB gun clause in the wording.
February 18th, 2017 at 1:42 pm
Kenny Stills is certainly an option to consider. The good news is that the team will most likely land one of their top two free agent targets at wide receiver. Then the rest of the focus on filling up the wide receiver position changes entirely.
Look, Dalvin Cook isn’t coming to the Bucs. Is it fun to speculate and considee the impact Cook could have? Sure. But the Bucs simply won’t trade up to get him. It’s more likely they trade down for a tight end whose last name doesn’t rhyme with Coward or for a defensive end.
This will be an unpopular statement (and a bit off topic, sorry), but the Bucs can afford to skip the first round or move down to the last couple picks of the first round. If you looked at the team’s draft board, the majority of the players they would look to draft in the 19th spot will be available at the very end of the 1st round/beginning of 2nd round.
I think the Bucs will end up with extra picks in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. It’s in these rounds they can really make a maximized impact and fulfill many of their needs with top positional talent still available: the top overall ranked center, a top 3-4 ranked wide receiver, top ranked kicker (just kidding; too soon?), top 3-4 ranked running back, and elite pass rusher.
February 18th, 2017 at 1:45 pm
Okay Lakeland I would wager they played out of necessity. 51st defense was horrid before duke took over. They drafted speed and put them on the field. Vic Beasley??? Anytime someone jumps from 4 sacks to 15 I think the needle is at play. Ansah went from 16 in 2015 to goose egg this year. I wonder why.
February 18th, 2017 at 1:48 pm
That’s an interesting take tradomus. Can you give us your inside connect that confirms DC not coming to the Bay??? I mean are you questioning the credibility of Mr. Gil A.???
February 18th, 2017 at 1:50 pm
He says they are more likely to trade down. And your sources are???
February 18th, 2017 at 1:51 pm
Nole..I have no problem drafting Dalvin Cook. But it’s up to Jason Licht. Like I said before, I’m from Lakeland. But I have been living in Atlanta for the past 31 years. And I have watched the Falcons build a complete team during the past two seasons. In 2015 most fans here wanted Todd Gurley, but Quinn went with Vic Beasley. And I told people here that Quinn made the right decision, Gurley won Rookie of the Year and Beasley only got 5.5 sacks. But I still told them that Beasley would be a 15 sack guy. And Tevin Coleman has been playing as good as Gurley . I want Jason Licht to succeed as GM for the Bucs. But in order to keep pace with the Falcons, he have to do a better job. The Falcons are one of the youngest teams in the NFL.
February 18th, 2017 at 1:51 pm
Didn’t think you had any. You like Ace Ventura. Talking out ya @$$.
February 18th, 2017 at 1:53 pm
4 sacks, not 5.5 sacks
February 18th, 2017 at 1:54 pm
Oh my bad Lakeland I missed you specifying living in ATL.
February 18th, 2017 at 1:56 pm
I understand bro. Still a big jump if you ask me.
February 18th, 2017 at 1:59 pm
Nole…I want the Bucs to draft Dalvin Cook, and he may be there at 19.
February 18th, 2017 at 1:59 pm
Lakeland the falcons ate not light years ahead of us. I mean Ryan is inhis 9th season you should make a superbowl appearance sooner out later. I just look at the fact we into they’re house and whip them week one. Yea they came back an handed us one but still. We plagued a rookie CB and rookie DE that opening game an handled them when healthy.
February 18th, 2017 at 2:02 pm
Not to mention a defense that didn’t know what the h3ll they were doing week one.
February 18th, 2017 at 2:02 pm
But I aslo believe that we can get Nick Chubb in 2018.
February 18th, 2017 at 2:04 pm
I’m sorry I feel like after this free agent period and draft we’ll be right on par wit the falcons. I ain’t fearing them at all.
February 18th, 2017 at 2:05 pm
That’s whusup Chubb is nice wit it.
February 18th, 2017 at 2:06 pm
The big difference in Matt Ryan is the fact that he has learned the West Coast Offense. He have a Duck Arm, he’s not that good in a ” Vertical” offense. But he’s perfect for the West Coast Offense.
February 18th, 2017 at 2:08 pm
And you make a great point about those players combined making less than three of our guys.
February 18th, 2017 at 2:11 pm
NOS…I think it was Pickgrin the other day that posted what it would take to jump up to various spots to grab Cook. I wasn’t comfortable with any of them.
Anything higher then say 15th and the Bucs will have to trade the farm according to his scale.
So I’m right there. Anything higher than 15 and it’s a no go for me.
If he’s still there past say 14 then I’m going to get a little antsy.
February 18th, 2017 at 2:26 pm
I know this isnt the norm but I personally rather have McCaffrey who I believe is every bit as good as Cook without the injury history. I dont care what color he is, the man can ball and like VH3 said, “If you can ball, you can ball”.
February 18th, 2017 at 2:32 pm
I like Corey Davis, OJ Howard, or David Njoku in round 1… Then come back and get Kareem Hunt in round 3.
February 18th, 2017 at 2:33 pm
I’m with you on that one man. I’m all aboard the O.J. Howard train, But if he aint there, I’d be just as happy with Christian McClovin. Like my bud SB said last night, the kid is a swiss army knife.
And there’s just something about his mom being an olympian, and his father being a 3 time super bowl champion Wide receiver that makes me not care that he’s a whitey running back lol.
Just a small side note, I don’t put too much weight into this, since I’m not the biggest proponent of using college stats as an argument… But anytime you break one of Barry Sanders records, that has to count for something you know?
February 18th, 2017 at 2:35 pm
Dalvin Cook is special. Like I said in an earlier post, the run he made, like a 20-30 yr td, where he vmcame through the line with no visible hole, Ive only seen a few in the history of the game who can make that run. If Licht can throw away a 2nd and move up for a garbage kicker, I am completely fine if he throws a couple of picks to get Cook. Hes a generational talent, and he and Fourtenette shouldnt even be mentioned in the same breath.
February 18th, 2017 at 2:35 pm
Scott Reynolds said the Bucs should draft Christian McCaffrey.
February 18th, 2017 at 2:37 pm
A Couch I respect everyone’s thoughts an opinions. I’ve been dumbfounded by why so many since day one have devoted so much energy in opposing mine. You’d think the young man has a body out there somewhere.
February 18th, 2017 at 2:40 pm
Chris they’ll understand better when he lines up in that Buc backfield and gose for 80 the first time. The whole lot of them will be on board then.
February 18th, 2017 at 2:41 pm
Is that right Lakeland.. Now when I mention that SR5 report where he was saying the same thing about Dalvin my homie Blake jumped all over me to discredit his thought and opinions.
February 18th, 2017 at 2:44 pm
Man y’all can have all those later rounds RBs. I’m taking “special” . Marshall Faulk and VH3 agree.
February 18th, 2017 at 2:48 pm
See that’s the difference wit my guy and all y’all guys. Any other position included. You just get the feel he about to take it the distance at any moment.
February 18th, 2017 at 2:48 pm
Not gonna Lie nosbos, That time you said Scott Reynolds, I coulda swore you were talking about scott smith lol.
And Faulk called Trent Richardson special too lol.
February 18th, 2017 at 3:00 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5k_A7atcmY
McClovin is special too.
Plus his nick name potential is practically limitless xD
February 18th, 2017 at 3:01 pm
Im not opposed to anyone. Davis, Howard, Cook, McCaffrey, I’d be happy with any one of them. I’d be lying if I said Cooks injury history doesnt scare me though.
February 18th, 2017 at 3:03 pm
Chad Reuter of NFL.Com has the Bucs drafting: 1. RB Dalvin Cook ….2. C Dan Feeney….3.WR ArDarius Stewart….4.OT Victor Salako. This is his 4 Round Mock.
February 18th, 2017 at 3:04 pm
Blake you know the nickname Mclovin was for the combo of McCaffrey and Bryce Love right? lol
February 18th, 2017 at 3:06 pm
Luke Easterling’s 7 round Bucs mock was interesting to me. I kind of liked it.
February 18th, 2017 at 3:12 pm
No poppems i did not know that. Just figured it was one of his many alliases.
February 18th, 2017 at 3:21 pm
And Joey, I gotta say I like Lukes mock, but I only really like it if we just go balls to wall on offense in FA to justify a defensive heavy draft. We need to invest in Jameis, sooner rather than later would be preferred.
And one amendment I would make to that draft would be Hassan Reddick or TJ Watt instead of Tim Williams in round number 2.
February 18th, 2017 at 3:32 pm
To be honest Lakeland that look like a solid Mock. I’m wit Pete Samuels in the second. But Ardarius Stewart looks like He got a set a wheels on himself also. I was asking Blake about Feeney because of that same mock bro.
February 18th, 2017 at 3:33 pm
I work with Kenny Still’s dad at IMG Academy in Bradenton. He would love to ha e his son close to him and said his son would love to play with Jameis and Evans. However, he said Miami has put a lot of money on the table. Sounds like if we want him we may need to pay more than market value
February 18th, 2017 at 3:34 pm
I gotta check out that Victor Salako.
February 18th, 2017 at 3:35 pm
Great imput Gator. If that’s the case I’m really liking Samuels and Stewart at any point after the first in the draft.
February 18th, 2017 at 3:43 pm
I watched those highlights of McCaffery Blake. In-freakin-credible! I think after the Combine he will be a top 15 pick. We would prolly have to move up to get him as well.
February 18th, 2017 at 3:44 pm
Yeah Ken Stills is the RB coach at IMG. Donnie Abraham was DC, last week he left to join Lovie Smith staff at Illinois.
February 18th, 2017 at 3:48 pm
That part about him saying be would love to play w/Fameis and ME standouts to me. Fameis popularity is growing around NFL circles regardless of what some of our jbf comrades might say about his game. At the end of the day the money does speak loudest tho. My co worker told me not many people around the league are aware of the fact that they’re fanbase is still not sold on Tannehill and that when he got injured many were not displeased and actually wanted Moore to be the guy. Not sure how much more you get with Moore but I found that interesting.
February 18th, 2017 at 4:14 pm
need to sign Campbell then go then work it out for AP. He has 3 years left
1st OJ Howard
2nd Ardarius Stewart.
rest of the way bpa
February 18th, 2017 at 4:18 pm
Cook in the first or Hunt in the third? Decisions, decisions.
February 18th, 2017 at 4:26 pm
Kenny Still in FA with OJ, Dede and Mixon in the draft would give us a loaded, fast and dynamic offense.
However, I agree Dalvin is a special talent and I’d be thrilled with him at #19 as well. I also believe Fournette is a special talent and would be fine with him too. As for McCaffery … I’m not sold on him. I think on a team like the Patriots he could be close to unstoppable but as a traditional, work-horse back on any team … I just don’t see it.
February 18th, 2017 at 4:30 pm
I believe Dirk Koetter will bring Doug Martin back on a one year deal. He keep saying that he like Peyton Barber also. We may not draft a RB at all.
February 18th, 2017 at 4:32 pm
NOSBOS … Jameis is viewed as a future perennial MVP candidate by many in league circles and players want to play with him … Ryan Tannehill is viewed as a joke QB by many. I’m not surprised to hear Still would like to play with Jameis … I think Pryor would say the same.
February 18th, 2017 at 4:34 pm
Which RB pick represents the BEST VALUE to the Bucs:
Dalvin in first round
McCaffery or Foreman in 2nd round
Hunt in 3rd round
Perine in 4th round
Mixon in 5th round
Personally … I think Mixon in the 5th would be the “best value” but I’d be cool with any of the above
February 18th, 2017 at 4:35 pm
Koetter might re-sign Jacquizz Rodgers. Then he will have Rodgers, Sims and Barber and possibly Doug.
February 18th, 2017 at 4:54 pm
I’m not against Mixon in the 5th round. Noah Spence was supposedly an off-field risk and he turned in a great season both on and off the field. I would prefer to give up pretty much whatever it takes to move up and nab Dalvin. If it took a 2nd round and 4th round for example to move up to 13 to draft Dalvin, all day every day we should pull the trigger.
February 18th, 2017 at 5:20 pm
Cmurda its gonna happen barring any off field incedents between now and draft night. Been saying as much for weeks now. Guess it took Gil to drop a story for some to actually believe it possible. My only question becomes would they picks be from this years draft or next. I would hope they would come from 2018. Muy belief is this years draft completes the puzzle.
February 18th, 2017 at 5:28 pm
CMURDA … wow … really?
You’d really rather have Dalvin than a OJ Howard (1st), Dede Westbrook (2nd), Semaj Perine (4th) trio … or a Corey Davis (1st), Christian MacCaffery (2nd), Jordan Leggett (5th) trio?
I love Dalvin but man a 1st, 2nd and 4th is a lot to give up …
February 18th, 2017 at 5:29 pm
@Blake
Yea the only thing that scares me about Tim Williams is his off the field issues. I’ve heard a few people compare his issues to Randy Gregory’s issues so idk if there can be a bigger red flag lol. If he can turn it around like Noah did tho and stay clean, man what a combo of edge rusher Spence and Williams would be.
And yea it is a little defense heavy, but I love the offensive picks he made. I’ve been a fan of Taywan Taylor throughout the process so far and he is an explosive, fast receiver which is what we need. And Kareem Hunt who has been talked about a little bit today. Haven’t seen much of the TE he had us taking in round 7, but at least he addressed the position lol.
@Nosbos
If you’re looking at mid round speed receivers, Carlos Henderson out of Louisiana Tech. I know you’re big on stats so here are his career numbers:
147 catches for 2,878 yards (19.6 yds/catch) 28 TDs
32 carries for 259 yards (8.1 yds/carry) 2 TDs
79 Kick returns with a 26.5 yards/return average and 3 return TDs (2 of them this past season)
Right now he has a round 4 grade on him although I think he could get into the round 3 conversation after the combine. I’m really high on him. Here are his highlights if anyone wants to check him out.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLv8teWZpDY
February 18th, 2017 at 5:34 pm
NFL what type numbers would you project for Howard??? He remind of Eric Ebron who’s been okay in Detroit. And spare me the blocking thing we ain’t taking no TE in round 1 for hid blocking ability.
February 18th, 2017 at 5:36 pm
“If it took a 2nd round and 4th round for example to move up to 13 to draft Dalvin, all day every day we should pull the trigger.”
Cmurda..it’ll take more than that.
February 18th, 2017 at 5:38 pm
And these selections we would have to give. Can someone tell me where I find this trade chart. And while at it show me where I can the rule that says it has to adhered when doing a deal.
February 18th, 2017 at 5:40 pm
When you finish with that please get Jason Licht on the phone so he can clarify whether or not he gives a d@$!.
February 18th, 2017 at 5:40 pm
NOS…lol I’ll try and find Pick’s post for ya at least.
February 18th, 2017 at 5:43 pm
Draft night Jason Licht’s stage. He run that. Keep telling y’all like Joe mentioned the other these people ain’t got forever. The NFL about what’s good right now.
February 18th, 2017 at 5:44 pm
Aight 87.
February 18th, 2017 at 5:44 pm
If the Bucs re-sign Jacquizz Rodgers and draft a RB in the 1st round. That would mean the end for Doug Martin and either Charles Sims or Peyton Barber. I don’t believe Koetter will get rid of Sims or Barber.
February 18th, 2017 at 5:45 pm
I’m ok with Cook in the first, as long as it’s at pick 19. I’d rather attempt to trade back in every round than trade early round picks for one player.
February 18th, 2017 at 5:47 pm
NOSBOS … Howard’s blocking ability is a massive plus as it means he can play 100% of the snaps unlike a guy like Brate … once OJ hits his prime and if he was a team’s only receiving TE I could easily see him going for 800-1,200 yards per year and 10+ TD’s a year … the kid is extremely skilled and a matchup nightmare … he simply was completely misued by Bama
February 18th, 2017 at 5:48 pm
75 sounds like you like many others believe the picks would come from this years draft. I’m not so sure. I think he wave 2018 picks in someone’s face in order to move. He looking for a swap partner in this years draft and will compensate by giving up future picks.
February 18th, 2017 at 5:48 pm
HOWEVER … honestly think Miam’s David NJoku has the highest ceiling as a pure pass-catching TE …
February 18th, 2017 at 5:49 pm
IF Licht trades up for Cook he is even I BIGGER idiot than I thought. The DA traded up to the 2nd round which oh by the way NO SMART NFL people draft kickers that high and the guys is a bust!! You DONT trade up for RB’s. They are a dime a dozen.
February 18th, 2017 at 5:51 pm
That’s a lot from a TE as a rookie that might not even be the second on the pecking order for targets. He’s not jumping ME in that order. Depending on whom ever the free agent might be he won’t be higher than him for the money it will cost to aquire the dude. And he not coming in an jumping Cam as a rookie. Coach showed how be felt about Cam when he made him the starter.
February 18th, 2017 at 5:51 pm
bucnut2 ..I like the RBs that we have. The problem was the run-blocking not the Running Backs.
February 18th, 2017 at 5:52 pm
lol NOS…I came close to finding it, but I saw you and Pickgrin tangling about already, so maybe no need to find it.
Still looking.
February 18th, 2017 at 5:52 pm
Nut you don’t trade for most RBs. And Dalvin ain’t a dime a dozen. Many in the draft. Only one Dalvin.
February 18th, 2017 at 5:53 pm
Nut, Njoku does look like he could be a downfield beast. There are a lot of players projected to go in round one that I would be ok with. We need help at many positions, so I think I’ll be happy with whoever we pick 1st, as long as it’s not a long snapper! Lol
February 18th, 2017 at 5:53 pm
My 1st Round pick is DE Taco Charlton, but I know Jason Licht won’t draft him.
February 18th, 2017 at 5:55 pm
Bigger idiot than you thought huh.. I’ll respect those of you who hate in the man more if you continue that sentiment after he wins his first Superbowl.
February 18th, 2017 at 5:55 pm
@NFLNut
I would agree with that statement about David Njoku. I saw in the Cam Brate article someone compared Howard to Jimmy Graham. Graham is a better comparison for Njoku imo. I’ve seen him mocked to the Bucs a couple times at #19
February 18th, 2017 at 5:56 pm
If Jason Licht re-sign Will Gholston, then it won’t make sense to draft a DE in the 1st round.
February 18th, 2017 at 5:56 pm
Pickgrin said :
“And again – for the “I wouldn’t mind trading up for him” crowd – I will once again list what it would cost us to move up as per the draft trade chart that every NFL GM uses as a guideline:
#19 pick + 4th and 7th round picks = trade up to #17
#19 pick + 3rd round pick = trade up to #15
#19 pick + 2nd round pick = trade up to # 11
Will Cook be available at #11? Maybe. My pre-combine opinion though, is that if Carolina does not take him at #8 then the Bengals will draft Cook at #9. He might even go sooner if he dazzles at the combine and pro day. My guess is that if you want Cook bad – then you probably have to get up to #7 to ensure you get him. That costs a LOT.
#19 pick + 2rd, 3rd and 4th round picks = trade up to #7
or
#19 pick + 1st round pick (2018) + 3rd-4th round pick = trade up to #7”
February 18th, 2017 at 5:56 pm
And how do you define a bust??? Jerry Rice struggled catching the football as a rookie. What’s your definition???
February 18th, 2017 at 5:58 pm
I believe Dalvin Cook will be available at 19.
February 18th, 2017 at 5:58 pm
Ahh😃that last one now we talkin.
February 18th, 2017 at 6:00 pm
I happen to believe he is a once every lets say 8 or so years talent. Do think Licht would bargain off 2018 for him. H3ll yeeaa..
February 18th, 2017 at 6:00 pm
LakeLandBuc….em startin’ think so too.
February 18th, 2017 at 6:02 pm
Thanks 87 you just showed us the deal.
February 18th, 2017 at 6:04 pm
It comes down to Intel. What they get from they’re sources about these other team’s intentions. I thought he showed major cajones waiting on Spawn in the second. If Dalvin currently sit’s atop they’re direct board I’m not so sure he’ll wait this time around.
February 18th, 2017 at 6:06 pm
87 did the last one specify whether or not the 3rd and 4th had to come from the same draft???
February 18th, 2017 at 6:07 pm
I have a vision.
The vision looks like this.
Dalvin Cook on a screen pass from Winston, taking it to the house?
Can anyone besides NOS see this too?
February 18th, 2017 at 6:08 pm
NOS…that part confused me.
February 18th, 2017 at 6:08 pm
I would think they would be this years picks
February 18th, 2017 at 6:14 pm
87 I’m in agreement. 3 years inn Superbowl win. So years 1st is the 32 pick in 2018. I wanna about that question I ask tho.
February 18th, 2017 at 6:16 pm
87 that last scenario you posted. The 1st in 2018 + a 3rd and 4th. Does it say the 3rd and 4th have to come from the same draft or can they be separated???
February 18th, 2017 at 6:17 pm
I dont understand why you are so willing to part from a future 1st round pick tho. I dont care if it is the 32nd pick or not. The major plus to a 1st round pick is the 5th year option those contracts have.
I would prefer no trading up in the 1st round, but if it was a fact that they were gonna trade up, I would rather give up this years picks than next years 1st rounder.
February 18th, 2017 at 6:19 pm
If they can be separated which I’m sure they can. I’ll give you next years 1st and next years 3rd in a heart beat to move to 7 if all I gotta give is this years 4th are you serious.
February 18th, 2017 at 6:19 pm
NOS…So you have no problem giving up next years 1st cause it’s prolly going to be a low pick anyways?
Cause this is what I would accept. #19 pick + 3rd round pick = trade up to #15
February 18th, 2017 at 6:21 pm
NOS..I don’t know, I just posted what Pickgrin put up about a week ago.
February 18th, 2017 at 6:21 pm
Pop you ain’t gone give a d@$! bout no late round first if win the superbowl get out of here wit dat.
February 18th, 2017 at 6:21 pm
I would love it 87, but I think someone might pull a Dallas and go top 5 with him. I think he’s hands down better than Elliott
February 18th, 2017 at 6:22 pm
If Cook’s still on the board at 15. Okay I’m popping that deal off. Why? Cause he IS worth that, even in a draft loaded with RB’s.
February 18th, 2017 at 6:23 pm
Lol we aint trying to win just 1 SB man. Of course I will keep caring after that.
February 18th, 2017 at 6:23 pm
87 when we win next seasons superbowl you me or anyone else gone give a s@$! bout no 1st round pick next season. You know why we’ll be to busy gloating amongst our peers. 2018 would not mark the final draft in history.
February 18th, 2017 at 6:25 pm
So Pop we one of the youngest team’s in the league. Fielding a young all star roster next season and missing a few picks would derail our future as one of the best in the league. C’mon man.
February 18th, 2017 at 6:27 pm
Look y’all trying to sale the wrong person. You best get Licht’s email phone,twitter,snapchat,facebook. Cause that’s one in charge.
February 18th, 2017 at 6:27 pm
@87
I just want to point out one thing about the trade chart. It doesn’t factor in how much the team you are trying to trade with values a player at that pick
So lets say the Colts are on the clock at #15 and they want Cook and Licht offers them the #19 and our 3rd round pick. What happens if the Colts GM says “a 3rd isnt good enough, but we will take a 2nd instead” would you still make that trade?
#19 and our 2nd round pick to move up 4 spots?
February 18th, 2017 at 6:29 pm
lol NOS…. free agency should tell us a little bit about the draft I hope.
February 18th, 2017 at 6:31 pm
I never said it would derail the team. That’s a little extreme. I’m just saying that trading away a future pick because you assume it will be a late pick isnt the best way to look at it.
And I’m not trying to sell you on anything. Just having a conversation.
February 18th, 2017 at 6:31 pm
Joey…lol you don’t think I already contemplated that?
lol I’m a deep thinker man. That was my very first thought.
Sigh….I….don’t….know.
February 18th, 2017 at 6:35 pm
Okay…YES!
February 18th, 2017 at 6:35 pm
Okay I hear ya Pop. And don’t think Gil would be risking his cred by making stuff. Again he didn’t say anything was written in stone. Just seems like common since that Dalvin would be a hot topic inside that building. 87 for a 19 to 7 swap in pullin that trigger all day everyday.
February 18th, 2017 at 6:36 pm
@87
Just throwing it out there lol. And yea FA answers a lot of questions. I mean for all we know they can like someone like Latavius Murray in FA or even worse, give Doug Martin a 2nd chance lol. If anything like that happens, RB round 1 would become a lot more unlikely to me.
February 18th, 2017 at 6:39 pm
You won’t hear anything prior to draft about DM. Doing so would be showing they’re hand one way or the other.
February 18th, 2017 at 6:41 pm
#19 pick + 2rd, 3rd and 4th round picks = trade up to #7
NOS…you would that if you were Jason?
February 18th, 2017 at 6:44 pm
Now I. Me. I would have done that for Jameis if that’s what it would have took. Thanks again Lovie.
That’s how much I loved Jameis. I would have thrown in next years 2nd too.
February 18th, 2017 at 6:44 pm
Dalvin Cook should be a hot topic in the building. I’m not accusing Gil of making things up lol. All I’m saying is that if I personally was the GM, I wouldn’t trade up for him because I like a lot of other RBs. As I said earlier, I have no idea if Licht, Koetter and everyone else involved feel the same way.
But what do I know? I’m just a fan commenting on the internet lol
February 18th, 2017 at 6:46 pm
@87…….Not unless I had already been in the future and saw that pick net us 2 SBs
February 18th, 2017 at 6:47 pm
I’m assuming you ate meaning this years 2nd??? If so no. I like the one from above. The one from above give me a 1st a 2nd and a 3rd this year. These three picks this year ate crucial. They complete the puzzle. Next years 1st along with next years 3rd and this years 4th in good.
February 18th, 2017 at 6:49 pm
It is imparative I get the first three this year.
February 18th, 2017 at 6:51 pm
I love Dalvin but I would NOT trade the #1,2,3 and 4 to move up and get him.
I actually wouldn’t be chocked if he drops to #19 … shoulder issues and gang affiliations and past trouble with the law are serious red flags … the Bucs could get the steal of the draft at #19 … and who knows, maybe Tim Williams drops to their 2nd round pick and they end up with two so-called “problem children” who just happen to be the best offensive game-breaker iin the draft and the best pure pass rusher in the draft …. I’d love it.
I actually saw one mock that predicts the Colts get Cook in the 1st and Williams in the 2nd … that talent doesn’t belong in Indy, it belongs in Florida with Jameis 🙂
February 18th, 2017 at 6:52 pm
@Nosbos
I know you Like Cook round 1 and Samuel round 2. ANy idea what position you would like to fill in round 3?
February 18th, 2017 at 6:52 pm
We about to be frequenting the playoffs barring something catastrophic. Those 2018 picks are diminishing in value as we speak. The moment is right here right now.
February 18th, 2017 at 6:54 pm
Tim Williams is a scaaaary prospect to me because og hif off the field concerns. But at the same time it is also scaaaary to think about him and Spence coming off the edges….
Tim WIlliams is the 1 prospect I’m actually torn on right now lol
February 18th, 2017 at 6:54 pm
Dan Feeney is the number rated C out IU. Rueter mocked him to us in the second. I also like his 3rd round mock of Ardarius Stewart WR from Bama.
February 18th, 2017 at 6:54 pm
*of his
February 18th, 2017 at 6:55 pm
NosBos just google draft pick trade chart and you will find the chart some of us talk about. It was originally created by Jimmy Johnson I believe and supposedly teams follow the trade chart. The team moving up typically has to give up a little more than the value of the pick they want.
February 18th, 2017 at 6:55 pm
I meant number 1 rated C.
February 18th, 2017 at 6:55 pm
Stills is a no brainer and I will be disappointed if we do not grab him in FA.
Right now it seems like everything is pointing to the Bucs going after Cook in the first and I wouldn’t be disappointed in that pick. I just hope we don’t give up too much to go get him. Maybe we can trade some players along with our first to move up. Some teams might be interested in Verner and Evan Smith
Lots of different ways the draft could play out. I just hope we take the following positions WR, RB, TE, S in the first three rounds of the draft. We need extra picks in the middle rounds to get the players I want though. Previously I was thinking Caleb Brantley in the second but I’m starting to feel like DT can wait until next year for an early pick. So with that I think we should be looking at DT and CB in the later rounds unless those picks get traded.
February 18th, 2017 at 6:56 pm
@Nosbos
So Cook, Feeney, Stewart then?
February 18th, 2017 at 6:56 pm
Bet it up USF.
February 18th, 2017 at 6:57 pm
So we talking 5th round cause I gave away my 4th right???
February 18th, 2017 at 6:59 pm
If that’s the case I want Kermit Whitfield to return kicks.
February 18th, 2017 at 6:59 pm
Been doing some research on Tony Jefferson, and I am throughly convinced that he is the right guy for this defense. He should be priority number one this off season
February 18th, 2017 at 7:02 pm
Mind you I’m wit Pete I really like Samuels. But if he’s gone I’ll be good wit Ardarius Stewart.
February 18th, 2017 at 7:03 pm
GOAT what’s good homie.
February 18th, 2017 at 7:08 pm
UF and FSU kicking some ass in Bball……….nvm…..I just saw that FSU lost…….
Well at least the Gators are rolling. 🙂
February 18th, 2017 at 7:13 pm
I think you are right on with Jefferson GOAT. I want Campbell more but we need a S like Jefferson too. This is my third time trying to type this. The first two got autobozo’d
February 18th, 2017 at 7:14 pm
What up NOSBOS. Just chillin, I turned 23 today so I’m bout to get a little tipsy lol. This Jefferson guy plays the run like an animal, good locker room guy, can’t cover the best TEs in the league. He should be our SS of the future
February 18th, 2017 at 7:15 pm
Great call on Tony Jefferson imho!
Tony Jefferson and Calais Campbell would the two guys I’d want to sign in FA on the defensive side of the ball for sure.
February 18th, 2017 at 7:15 pm
^^^^CAN COVER THE BEST TEs^^^^^^
February 18th, 2017 at 7:28 pm
I stopped talking about him because I thought that Cleveland would use the tag. This said I would like Campbell, 3 yr deal, and Pryor on a 3 to 5 yr deal. I know I sound like a broken record but Pryor and Campbell in FA gives us an Easy Draft.
February 18th, 2017 at 7:28 pm
Happy Birthday my G. Mines was the 13th😀.
February 18th, 2017 at 7:33 pm
The problem with Noah Spence and Tim Williams. They both are weak against the run.
February 18th, 2017 at 7:33 pm
Just read through these 179 comments (not bad for posts that started at 9 AM and ran to 7 PM) and came to a conclusion: Bucs fans are obsessed with the draft. Almost no comments in there about free agency, which will drive the draft. If the Bucs don’t pick up any WRs in FA, what do you think is the likelihood that maybe Licht might press for a WR with our #19 pick? I think it’s pretty good actually. Or what are the odds that we draft a DE if we can’t re-sign Will Gholston? I think that’s pretty good too. Again, Free Agency, for us AND others, will drive the draft.
And NosBos, regarding a much earlier response about our OLine, sorry but it was marginal last year. Donovan Smith & Ali Marpet are big-time horses; love them. Kevin Pamphile is coming on strong, but last year was his 1st year starting & I think he’ll improve much more this year. I love Hawley’s leadership and heart, but his play on the field? Meh. Bucs flat couldn’t run between the tackles last year … part of that’s on the RBs, but I think that most of it is on the OLine, and especially on the Center. RT position was in turmoil virtually all year. Sorry, but truly effective OLines have FIVE quality players, not 3 or even 4. Defenses know how to take full advantage of the weak links (Remember those recurring slant passes against our defense from 2 years ago? Opposing offenses figured out our weakness pretty fast). To make a run in the next 2-3 years, Bucs need to beef up our C & RT positions right now (and I don’t assume that Sweezy will start for us this year like some do).
February 18th, 2017 at 7:40 pm
Dirk Koetter want to re-sign Jacquizz Rodgers. So that will give us Rodgers, Sims, Barber ( I’m not including Doug Martin). If they do re-sign Rodgers, then I doubt if we spend a 1st on a RB.
February 18th, 2017 at 7:42 pm
If we sign Robert Woods or Kenny Stills. We may not take a WR in the 1st.
February 18th, 2017 at 7:51 pm
Cook or Corey Davis in the first round and I’m pumped for the draft.
The reasons why Cook wouldn’t go in the top 10 are related to things outside of the players control 1. Devaluation of RB’s 2. Recent busts of 1st Rd RB’s 3. Overrated SEC RB above him. 4. Depth of RB in the draft. 5. Character question from dismissed assault case against him.
Barry Sanders was the best RB I’ve ever seen in the NFL. Adrian Peterson and Dalvin Cook are the best I’ve ever seen in college.
February 18th, 2017 at 7:58 pm
I’m going to hold off on my draft predictions until mid-March. A week after the start of Free Agency. Then I will have a better understanding of our needs. You are correct Defense Rules. Our Free Agent signings should give a better idea of who we draft.
February 18th, 2017 at 8:03 pm
Free agents I want by position and in order
Dt Calais Campbell, Brandon Williams, Poe
Wr Terrel Pryor, Robert Woods, Kenny Stills
OL Ronald Leary, Riley Rief, Kevin Zietler
DBs Tony Jefferson, Micha Hyde, Logan Ryan
I obviously don’t want all of these guys. Just my ranking of who I like better.
February 18th, 2017 at 8:06 pm
I think that with Davis not running in the Combine he may just fall to us. Please!
February 18th, 2017 at 8:08 pm
GOAT…we are Right on Cue except I would rather have Short than All of them but Carolina will prolly use the Tag.
February 18th, 2017 at 8:17 pm
Tom S. Did you see Marshall Faulk in college??? I ask because he to was electrifying. I do believe what you stated will come into play so worse case scenario in a POSSIBLE move prolly won’t be necessary.
February 18th, 2017 at 8:18 pm
If you can only have two out the whole lot who taking GOAT???
February 18th, 2017 at 8:22 pm
If we get a smaller receiver like Kenny Stills, D-Jax, or Robert Woods. I would LOVE if we were able to get Malachi Dupre in round 2.
Listed at 6′ 4″ 195 lbs on the LSU website (I know that might be inaccurate). Big catch radius and can stretch the field vertically. And may favorite part about him is that he can play both on the outside and in the slot. Combine that with his size and man that is scary.
He can be a potential problem for defenses in this league especially with Mike Evans on 1 side and the FA to take the top off the defense. And who knows, maybe Dalvin Cook in the backfield…. It is an exciting offense to think about imo.
February 18th, 2017 at 8:33 pm
I like the “potential” of our Oline. We are missing only two pieces and we may have the answers in house….I concede it’s a pretty big may.
IF…again a big IF…Sweezy returns to form and Benenoch is healthy and plays as projected at RT we’re good to go. D Smith…Pamphile..Marpet..Sweezy and Benenoch could actually be a pretty stout OL. If those are the ultimate pieces I hope we get them together early in training camp so we can start to jell as a unit.
We have EDS and Dot for backups…perhaps Hawley as well..depends on how much money he wants.
I’m just hoping that in house our guys know the status of Sweezy and Benenoch. If these guys are not ready to go then obviously we need to be active in either/or FA and the draft. I’m hoping those two are healthy which frees us to build in other areas.
February 18th, 2017 at 8:35 pm
Ima check him out Pop.
February 18th, 2017 at 8:39 pm
@ NOSBOS
The 2 realistic targets for me would be Robert woods and tony Jefferson. I would say Pryor but I think Woods is the better value. Pryor wants big $
February 18th, 2017 at 8:40 pm
I’m starting to honestly think we will take a cb in the 2nd round. Lots of the 1 round cbs will be there in the 2nd and it would be great value
February 18th, 2017 at 8:41 pm
@Nosbos
I ranked my top 5 WRs on another article and I had Samuel #3 and Malachi Dupre #4, but If we get a smaller receiver in FA I would take the bigger Dupre over another small receiver in Samuel. I like them both a lot tho.
February 18th, 2017 at 8:42 pm
You right Pete. The timing of them releasing a statement about Sweezy being cleared kinda stood out to me. Seem like minutes after the bowl was over. Makes me say hmm. I’ll hold my though and say this I think Sweezy will be good to go next season. Benenoch then becomes the only question will they determine he’s ready to overtake Dot. I surely hope he is.
February 18th, 2017 at 8:45 pm
I see ya vision Pop. And GOAT with Gator saying today Still’s dad says Mia showing Big money Woods might very well be the guy. My fingers cross for Calais.
February 18th, 2017 at 8:55 pm
With the year that Zeke Elliot had, teams be like need us one. I don’t see Dalvin around, RB’s gonna be a hot commodity this year.
February 18th, 2017 at 9:03 pm
I believe if you would have put Zeke behind our OL this yr he wouldn’t have been talked about a bunch. We need help on the OL and it is time we started talking about it.
February 18th, 2017 at 9:17 pm
I guess I am not allowed to talk about Maurice Claiborne to the Bucs. My last two comments were booted.
February 18th, 2017 at 9:22 pm
Good luck predicting what Jason Licht will do. I like Mike Williams, Clemson. He’s the compliment we need to Mike Evans. I’d try to move up and draft him. He can ball.
February 18th, 2017 at 9:31 pm
@LakelandBuc … “Our Free Agent signings should give a better idea of who we draft.” BINGO!!! Contrary to an earlier JBF piece which indicated that Jason Licht will be “Laying Low” in free agency, I believe exactly the opposite (we’ll be very aggressive), for several reasons. First, Mike Smith signing on for an additional 2 yrs … I’m sure that he got paid handsomely, but I’m also convinced that there were certain promises made to entice him to stay. The defense WILL get beefed up, through both FA & the draft. If we’re able to make a push for a playoff spot this year, it’ll be because of our defense more than our offense.
Second, Bucs have money, lots of it AND they have some starting holes, several of them on offense & defense. Second-tier players won’t get it done, and I’m convinced that the Glazers are more than willing to spend that money NOW to add some impact free agents.
Third, Bucs ‘window’ for several of our defensive players like Ayers & Grimes & possibly McDonald & GMC is only about 2-3 yrs. By then we’ll need to have their replacements on-board. Gut feel is that the Glazers want to make their push to the SB within that window. We can all talk about building a dynasty, but even though we have a good nucleus of young players, we’ve got a long road to travel before anyone’s going to be labeling us the Bucs’ dynasty.
February 18th, 2017 at 9:43 pm
Man…….The Gators SO would have been a Final 4 team if they hadn’t lost Egbunu for the year. Still may be.
February 18th, 2017 at 9:50 pm
Defense Rules..I agree it will take our defense to get us to the playoffs. Last season we had 7 games, holding a team to 17 points or less, and we won all seven. The other two wins was 28-21 over San Diego and 31-24 over the Falcons. In our seven losses we gave up 40,37,27,30,43,26,31. We need to hold teams to 24 points or less. We averaged 22.1 PPG, we should get it up to the 25 range. We gave up 23.1, we should get it in the 20 range.
February 18th, 2017 at 9:52 pm
I meant we shouldn’t give up no more than 24 points in any game. Even against the high scoring Saints and Falcons.
February 18th, 2017 at 10:01 pm
It’s not only on the defense. The offense need to cut down on the turnovers. In our nine wins, our offense turned the ball over 9 times. In our seven losses, the offense turned the ball over 18 times.
February 18th, 2017 at 10:41 pm
NosBos. Howard is nothing like Eric Ebron, since Ebron basically just a slow, over sized receiver.
If there is an Ebron at TE this year its NJoku or Engram.
O.J. is closer to Travis Kelce, Greg Olson, or Tyler Eifert type of guy.
And do not discredit the Value that an all around Blocking/Receiving threat O.J. represents. Like myself and others have mentioned, having both him and Cam on the field at the same time would lead to a ton of guessing by Defenses.
Where as if a guy like Njoku is on the field, you basically know whats coming.
February 19th, 2017 at 7:35 am
Gil is a good friend of mine. Glad to see him back on the Bucs coverage.
Congrats hermano.
February 19th, 2017 at 8:05 am
I was too young, but the best college RB highlights I’ve ever seen is O.J. Simpson.
February 19th, 2017 at 8:43 am
87 my dad called him the Muhammad Ali of football back then.
February 19th, 2017 at 9:12 am
Njoku is a beast, who will end up being the best TE out of this draft class.
He was extremely underused at UM.
Bet on it
February 19th, 2017 at 9:14 am
Meh, I would argue that no player in this draft class was more underused than O.J. Howard.
The Film don’t lie, Howard does everything Njoku can and more.
February 19th, 2017 at 9:17 am
The kid straight dominated the week of practices at the senior bowl. Making routine 1 handed catches look easy, as well as showing his speed and athleticism on a regular basis.
Couple that freakish size and athleticism with refined technical skill and power as a blocker.
He’s the best TE prospect since Gronk.
February 19th, 2017 at 10:25 am
Flat out, greatest college rb, player I ever saw was Barry Sanders. My God what he could do in a pro style offense. Two tight ends and a blocking full back. What was it, 3000 yards rushing, 36 tds, and that didnt count the bowl game where he put up nearly 300 yards more.I remember watching the OU game, when they had the nations best defense, kinda like the Alabama of that day. He got ovrr 200 with 8 men in a box on every down. Thanthe Holiday Bowl, where he got I believe it was Donavan Darius, safety, one on one on a big run and shook him out of his cleats.
February 19th, 2017 at 10:28 am
Wayne Fontes was an idiot, Silver Strech, delayed hand off when every one in the world knew you were giving it to Barry cause Scott Mitchell is your qb. That man wasted the greatest rb ever. In Barrys words, and he didnt usually boast, if Fontes installs a pro offense, two tight ends and a fb, no one would have ever touched Barrys records.
February 19th, 2017 at 10:30 am
We’ll pick Cook before Howard, no way the Bucs screw with Jameis relationship with Brate
February 19th, 2017 at 10:41 am
@Chris you have to admit it’s a lot less likely that cook is available by the time we pick. Heck Howard might not be available.
And I just don’t understand the fear of O.J. Taking time away from Cam. Because you wouldn’t say not to bring in another Wideout for fear of it affecting Jameis’ relationship with Mike Evans. I believe strongly that O.J. would only help Cam get open more frequently. If anything O.J. would be taking time away from the #3 wide receiver.
If we were to get say, Desean Jackson, or Kenny stills in Free agency, they would supplant Adam Humphries as the #2 guy, and Adam would drop to the #3 guy. And he’s a part time player as it is, so it’s no great loss if we run more 2 TE stuff.
Not saying that O.J. is the only option in the 1st. I just happen to think he would be an excellent choice. Because I think that offense’s focused around 2 dominant Tight ends that can get open and catch just as well as they can block have proven to be dominant in the past.
And more importantly, I’ve seen our current Quarterback do damage out of 2 TE formations, both at FSU, and for the Bucs.
February 19th, 2017 at 10:49 am
Barry man geesh the numbers he would’ve amassed. Woah😮..
February 19th, 2017 at 11:23 am
That’s what I’m talking bout Blake. Stick wit yo guy.
February 19th, 2017 at 12:33 pm
I’d be happy if we get Dalvin or OJ. It’s like choosing between Le’eon Bell or Rob Gronkowski. I just want WFW! I just don’t get the “OJ replaces Brate” debate. They compliment each other perfectly, and I love the 2 TE sets and so would Jameis. Instead of our 6 OL package on run downs, and Brate in on passing downs , we could have OJ and Brate in the game and teams wouldn’t be tipped off on run/pass. Imagine how that would help the play action game!
February 19th, 2017 at 12:35 pm
Exactly Eric. And we all know how deadly Jameis off play action!
February 19th, 2017 at 12:45 pm
Blake, A little off topic, have you noticed that when we run play action and Winston immediately turns around, instead of continuing the fake, he always throws to Evans on the left side of the field? I’ve never seen anybody write about this and me and my boys always joke about it as it happens. Just wondering.
February 19th, 2017 at 1:02 pm
Nah I hadn’t noticed that eric. I think Jameis does a heck of a job at selling the play fake.
February 19th, 2017 at 1:10 pm
Yea, it’s once or so a game. He fakes the hand off and “bam” turns immediately and throws to Evans. Winston doesn’t accel in play action and in the run. This is the year he puts it together on straight pocket drop backs. Just need weapons, not ME and a corp of undrafted guys. I love Humpty Hump, but he needs to be our 4th best WR, not our second.
February 19th, 2017 at 1:17 pm
I disagree. I recall Jameis being extremely successful working in play action. I watched every game this year, and was at the stadium for 5 of them and all 4 of our home wins.
February 19th, 2017 at 1:23 pm
Plus Judging strictly by the numbers. Our top receivers, were Mike Evans with 1300+ yards and 12 TD’s, Cam Brate with 660 yards and 8 TD’s, then Adam Humphries with 622 yards and 2 Scores. To give you an Idea, the next guy after Adam? Shep, the special teams ace. With 341 yards and 2 scores.
So going by those stats I would say that Hump was our #2 WR and #3 target.
February 19th, 2017 at 2:24 pm
Blake, sorry, that was supposed to say DOES accel. Damn auto correct!
February 19th, 2017 at 2:27 pm
I know Hump is pretty good. I’m just saying we need to find 2 more WR better than him. Right now he IS our number 2. We need to add talent so he’s our number 3 or 4.
February 19th, 2017 at 2:30 pm
Oh for sure dude. If we were to bring in Desean Jackson, and Draft Curtis Samuel, that would probably bump Adam down to #3 or #4 on the depth chart.
February 19th, 2017 at 2:32 pm
“I love Humpty Hump”
Eric…guess what they do every time he catches a pass at Ray Jay?
They play the Humpty Dance. Being in PA I thought I’d enlighten you with that lil tidbit.
February 19th, 2017 at 2:35 pm
87, nice! I didn’t know that.
February 19th, 2017 at 2:39 pm
Regardless of positions or certain players, I’d like to see skill position players drafted with our first 4 picks, then OL and DL developmental players from there on out with our last picks. I’m also ok with OL and DL earlier, if Licht falls in love with them. Win in the trenches!
February 19th, 2017 at 2:40 pm
They do play it man, It rocks. If you haven’t been to a game in a while, and you have the funds to, I strongly recommend it Eric.
From the Bears game onward we Rocked Ray Jay so freakin hard. We rocked its face off.
Hands down, the Saints game this year was the most fun I’ve had at the stadium in 10+ years.
February 19th, 2017 at 2:43 pm
Blake, nope, I’ve been in PA for almost 21 years, and when I was a kid my mom didn’t have money to go to the games. Sadly I have never been to a Bucs game. I’m thinking about working a lot of OT this year and take my boys to the Buffalo game. Only a 5 hour drive from here. Wish me luck!
February 19th, 2017 at 2:51 pm
Blake, I’m a bowler too. I bowl in multiple leagues and as many tournaments as I can in the area. I might have to scale that back this year to go to a game! Lol
February 19th, 2017 at 2:58 pm
Lol true, well I hope you get to see us whoop buffalo live.
And thats dope bro, I suck at bowling 😀
February 19th, 2017 at 3:05 pm
Blake, lol! I’m pretty good, but not great. I’m averaging 217 in my one bowling league and 208 in another, but there are many guys there who average up to 240! I’ve got two 300 games in my life, and the top bowler gets 2 300’s every few months. I’d trade it all for a Bucs dynasty!
February 19th, 2017 at 3:06 pm
I think the highest score I ever got bowling was like 155. And it was just dumb luck lol.
February 19th, 2017 at 3:14 pm
Blake, my boys had never seen me bowl a 300, and we let them come to the alley one night. I told them about the bowling etiquette before we went. I told them if anyone was on a string of strikes, not to say anything to them about it…just bowler superstition that we all abide by. Little did I know, that night I ended up getting the first 11 strikes in the first game, my boys just sitting there keeping quiet. Lol ! I went up for my last shot for 300, and threw it well, but ended up with only 9 pins for a 299! They were happy to see me bowl that we’ll, but I really wanted that last shot! I felt like a Bucs fan after that shot! Lol
February 19th, 2017 at 3:19 pm
That’s still super impressive tho dude.
February 19th, 2017 at 3:23 pm
Blake, thanks baby! I’d quit bowling if it meant we would go on a NE style run. Jameis just needs to get better on his straight pocket drop backs, and add more weapons, and we can be a playoff team THIS SEASON. 87 said Winston will win the SB in year 3, no matter what team drafted him. I can see a deep playoff run if Winston starts carving teams from the pocket the same way he does on the run. I’m SO happy to be a Bucs fan right now!
February 19th, 2017 at 7:48 pm
You can disagree if you want it’s your prerogative but Njoku will prove it st the next level.