Jameis, Koetter Not Mentally Synced?

November 3rd, 2016
Still learning?

Still learning?

So what the heck is going on with America’s Quarterback, Pro Bowler Jameis Winston?

One game he looks like a stud, then the next two he looks like Josh McCown. One quarter he looks like Ben Roethlisberger, the next three quarters Mike Glennon might be a better option.

Former Dixie Chicks quarterback David Archer seems to think he knows.

Now a member of the Dixie Chicks radio network, Archer saw how Bucs coach Dirk Koetter worked with Matty Ice in Atlanta. Appearing on the “Ron and J.P. Show” this week heard on WDAE-AM 620, Archer claimed Matty Ice and Koetter were not on the same page mentally during their first season together. Jameis’ ups and downs remind Archer of Matty Ice’s first season playing for Koetter.

“I think Jameis is still trying to grow into what Dirk is wanting him to do,” Archer said. “Ryan had some of these such situations when Dirk first kind of took over. It’s a matter of kind of melding mentally with what he is trying to do for setting plays up down the road. I think Dirk does a really good job of setting things up for you in the second quarter and third quarter but you have to be willing to help him set those things up whether it is dropping the ball off to an underneath throw to keeping a drive alive by moving the chains.

“I think that Jameis is such a down-the-field kind of guy and has such a gunslinger mentality that he wants to shoot it down the field a little bit more as opposed to just kind of taking what the defense gives him and keep the high completion percentage up and move the chains and at some point the goal line hits you in the face. That will present those opportunities for those shots down the field.

“He’s still growing into that. I think Jameis is a heckuva player. He’s a young quarterback. He is going to have ups and downs. He had a great day against us in Week 1 and had a poor day a week later against Arizona. You try to eliminate some of those ebbs and flows. The quarterback has to be a little more even-keeled than the rest of the team. They kind of count on you to be that way. I still think Jameis is growing into playing at this level.”

This is about the most intelligent analysis Joe has heard on Jameis’ struggles. Any clown with a keyboard can watch All-22 film and pretend to figure out what’s going on without any knowledge of a gameplan or plays called.

Archer studied and watched Koetter and Matty Ice first-hand. If Jameis’ play reminds him of Matty Ice learning how to work with Koetter, that tells Joe a lot from a guy who is both an Atlanta insider and a former NFL quarterback himself.

It also sheds light when Koetter, in a moment of frustration, groused before reporters after the Denver loss when speaking about Jameis, “I thought we were past this.”

To hear Archer’s full interview, click the arrow below. Audio courtesy of Joe’s friends at WDAE-AM 620.

26 Responses to “Jameis, Koetter Not Mentally Synced?”

  1. Rod Munch Says:

    Dirk needs to stop being a coward and to stop quitting on the team when the game is in doubt.

  2. kobe Faker Says:

    theres something about koetter

    I never seen anyone worst at using and understanding his own personnels strength and weakness…ever

    after Quizz gets injured, instead of a 225lb barber running into the middle , he hammers ant smith a 192lb speed receiving back into the gut

    225lber barber ran the ball very well up the middle at the 49ers game and gets 1 carry vs the raiders while

    a 192lb, pass catcher speedback ant smith runs into the gut with 4 carries and a fumble…

    didnt this a$$clown learn already with sims when he tried to slam a pass catching back into a wall continuously. yikes! ant smith is 25lbs smaller than sims!

    run run pass predictable koetter the clown is over his head

    this fool is playing head games with jameis and turning him to gabbert 2.0

  3. Kevin Says:

    Koetter has had success everywhere he has been. Problem is Winsotn is flat out playing bad. Innaccurate and missing reads. I dont know what yhe hell is going on but we are going to get slaughteted today

  4. Defense Rules Says:

    Some folks are possibly missing the point. To keep a drive methodically moving the chains in the NFL, you’ve either got to be good (to include a respectable running game to keep the defense honest) or lucky (23 penalties giving you 6 first downs? … that’s lucky). Bucs don’t seem to have the weapons right now to methodically move the chains (and eat up the clock to keep our defense off the field). I don’t think it’s because Koetter and Jameis aren’t on the same page, but rather that Jameis is constantly under pressure and being forced to improvise. He does that quite well I think for a young QB, but in the Bucs case that’s not the formula for winning lots of ballgames. A good running game, a decent short passing game and a viable deep threat thrown in seems to be more the type of game that Koetter has built towards. Bucs lack consistency and big-play potential right now.

  5. kobe Faker Says:

    dont be misled, koetter was following mularkys offense in atlanta with matt ryan, julio jones, white, and michael turner

    run run pass koetter true scheme and playcalling is his jacksonville years with mauriice drew jones and david garrard and the failed development of gabbert

    we have no guru here but a clown suffering from foot-in-mouthitis

    instead of running a scheme to jameis strengths which is uptempo passing attack ala big ben in pitt, he is turning jameis into david garrard

    jaboo garrard is never going to be successful in this scheme and system. its a better idea to put long neck in there.

  6. Phil Says:

    So when does Norv start?

  7. Bird Says:

    Clueless comments again. You all are clueless. Always blaming koetter. When a guy can’t throw a 5 yard pass, constantly overthrows receivers and struggles with the deep ball, a team must then run the ball. Well people , the bucs are on their 4th string running back which means the qb has to be relavent. You can’t hide his struggles anymore. Get over it and get a clue. Happy we have koetter. Successful everywhere he has been

  8. The Buc Realist Says:

    Any team that can cover ME13 and slow down the run, can then just Tee off on JW3!!!! All those hits take effect during the game!!!

  9. Bob in valrico Says:

    having only Mike Evans and a cast of other recievers that skill level is somewhat of a dropoff is affecting both Jameis and Koetter’s ability to call
    a better game.We miss the consistant running game of last year that produced
    over 2500 yards of offense. Jameis has also been far less effective this year.
    He made big third down passes last year with more consistency.

  10. Bob in valrico Says:

    Stop it already.The reason Big Ben’s offense works is Big Ben is far more Accurrate downfield than Jameis.Love your enthusiasm,butJameis needs to do what Koetter is asking him to do so that Jameis can play to his strengths,which in my opinion is intermediate passes at this stage of his career.

  11. Eric Says:

    Umm, I don’t often comment but I have to respond to Kobe, since he continuously makes the most inaccurate comments. Jameis had a top 5 rookie season under Koetter. He has been up and down this year but is it because he’s being fit into Koetter’s scheme? Absolutely not. Maybe it’s the fact that he has lost Martin, Sims, Vjax, and ASJ of which he practiced with all offseason. Our offense is predicated on the run and for him to audible with new players, it’s going to effect his game. Let’s not act like he doesn’t make down the field shots in nearly every game with the exception of the conservative Panthers game. He also just lost Jac, which is starter #5 that has gone down. Louis hasn’t returned and Cecil is becoming a bust for us. Shepard is now injured as well. Not to mention Donavan is still learning to play every down instead of doing his best roller coaster impression. You guys are sooo far off sometimes, it’s incredible. It’s evident Koetter isn’t fully encourage by Winston at this point, but just maybe it’s because he has 1 true weapon LOL. After our most successful offense in our history and a top 5 rookie season, you actually believe he will never be successful in this scheme? LOL. RIGHT!

  12. 813bucboi Says:

    it makes no since….he’s saying jameis is struggling like matt ryan did his first year under dirk but this is jameis’s second year with dirk and it seems he has regressed….the proof is in the pudding….jameis doesn’t trust dirk and dirk doesn’t trust jameis, the kicker or the defense….GO BUCS!!!!

  13. AZBucsFan4life Says:

    It does not make sense that Barber did not get more carries against the Raiders. But, moving forward we will see who starts tonight. Then we will know if Koetter is truly hard headed. I am still lost as to why Shorts got more snaps than Shep….Koetter seems to have to learn the hard way. So we will see…..

  14. LakeLandBuc Says:

    Dirk Koetter 1st season with the Falcons (2012), they went 13-3. It was during Dirk Koetter 2nd season with the Falcons (2013), when he quit following the format that Mike Mularkey left. They stunk the field at 4-12, and Matty Ice became Matty Meltdown. In 2012 Matt Ryan threw 615 passes, 68.6% completion rate., 4719 yards, 32 TD, 14 INT, 419 points, don’t seem like a struggle to me. And they made it to the NFC Championship game, misleading article by David Archer. The big difference was, in 2012 they scored 419 points, and gave up 299. In 2013 they scored 353 points, and gave up 443, and that was the beginning of the end for Dirk Koetter and Mike Smith in Atlanta. The next season they went 6-10 and was fired. The Falcons had a winning record for all of the 4 years that Mularkey was OC. They had one winning season during Koetter 3 seasons there.

  15. 813bucboi Says:

    @Lakeland…..PREACH!!!!!!!…GO BUCS!!!!

  16. Bob in valrico Says:

    you left out the fact that Dimitrov missing on draft picks and did little in free agency.He was not on the hot seat for his stellar job,in fact Scott Pioli was brought in as Assistant Gm to help right the ship.

  17. LakeLandBuc Says:

    813bucboi….Mike Mularkley created Matt Ryan and he’s doing the exact same thing with Marcus Mariotta. Mike Mularkley and Jon Robinson will have the Titans on top of their division in a few seasons. Especially with the high draft picks that they trick the Rams out of. When the Bucs hired Jeff Tedford as OC, I said they should hired Mularkley. Mike Smith was clueless without Mularkley, he never had a losing season with Mularkley.

  18. LakeLandBuc Says:

    BOB, that’s part of it.

  19. 813bucboi Says:

    @Lakeland….your exactly right…..ryan’s first year he was a game manager….right now mike is asking MM to be an athletic game manager….dirk wants a 22year old qb who has only been a full time football player for 2 years be brett favre/tom brady….

    @Lakeland…do you think jameis has regressed this year and if so why?…GO BUCS!!!!

  20. Bucsfanman Says:

    We are so quick to run out excuses for Jameis’ play! Considering that VJax was hurt for MOST of the season last year, as well as ASJ and Murphy, he has the SAME receivers as last year; ME13 and some scrubs!
    The only differences from last year are Logan Mankins and Doug Martin so stop with the “lack of weapons” argument.
    I know we want so badly to put this guy on a pedestal, but face it, his play has been less than spectacular this year. There’s no other way to put it. How many OPEN WRs did he miss against Oakland? Sorry, it’s the truth. He ain’t there yet!

  21. 813bucboi Says:

    @bucsfanman….I hear you when it comes to jameis…I slightly understand the no weapons argument but that can be cured if he simply hits the targets that are open…..he’s playing more like a rookie this year than he did last year…he also looks like he’s scared to run and make a play….like the only plays he can make are with his arm….last year he made numerous first/td runs….this year he seems timid…has anyone else noticed this?….GO BUCS!!!!

  22. Wes Says:

    I think it’s important to remember that we were told a lot that Koetter took it easy on Jameis last year and was handing him a bigger role this year. That would mean that Archer is just flat out right

  23. 813bucboi Says:

    @wes….@Lakeland says”Dirk Koetter 1st season with the Falcons (2012), they went 13-3. It was during Dirk Koetter 2nd season with the Falcons (2013), when he quit following the format that Mike Mularkey left. They stunk the field at 4-12, and Matty Ice became Matty Meltdown”….

    this is what we’re witnessing right now….under the supervision of lovie, dirk had to follow a game plan and jameis showed promise….just like ryan’s first year in the league….dirk continued with a formula because he didn’t have time to force feed ryan….but the following year ryan started to regress….the same thing is happening to jameis….atl was smart….they said no way your going to ruin our franchise qb and canned him…canned smitty for his lack of defense….that’s exactly whats going on now…GO BUCS!!!!

  24. LakeLandBuc Says:

    813bucboi, I don’t Jameis has regressed, I believe the problem is a lack of talent around him, bad playcalling and trying to do too much.

  25. TouchDownTampaBay Says:

    Lol, we are trotting out RBs who could not even crack a roster to start the season. We have undrafted guys at all of the catching positions but yeah no lack of weapons according to some of you morons.

  26. surfcat buc Says:

    These are the ingredients of LOSERS!!

    2. GM LICHT – No plan insight. Can’t even fix one of our many deficiencies
    has he heard of free agency, trades, or draft evaluation
    a. Safeties
    b. O-line men : Donovan Smith the worst tackle in the NFL
    c. Recievers’s : Are you kiddin! who do we have besides M EVANS
    3. OWNERSHIP: GLAZERS are you frickin kidding me. CHEAP!!