Kirwan: Jameis Getting No Help

October 6th, 2016
Not all on Jameis.

Not all on Jameis.

You can have all the stat nerds you can line up.

Joe will take Pat Kirwan.

The former Bucs scout, Jets linebackers coach and Jets pro player personnel director, still rubs elbows with the NFL elites of coaches, front office types and, yes, even an owner or two. When Kirwan talks football, Joe listens.

Kirwan last year launched a fantastic website, Real Football Network. There, Kirwan had his NFL power rankings, something Joe really doesn’t care about, but Kirwan also has a crumb of information on each team.

While America’s Quarterback, Pro Bowler Jameis Winston, isn’t playing that great, he’s being hung out to dry, Kirwan says.

Jameis has taken a step back, but the defense isn’t helping him by giving up 32 points per game.

The more you are behind the more you are going to throw and the more you throw, the more chances you have of throwing picks. It’s simple math.

Problem is, the Bucs, without Doug Martin, have no running game. So the offense is all on Jameis’ shoulders and defenses know it.

29 Responses to “Kirwan: Jameis Getting No Help”

  1. The Buc Realist Says:

    DM22 being out is not the full answer either!!! Not like the run game was dominate this year when he was in!!! The truth is that the Bucs faced a very tough schedule with consecutive good teams!!!! Without no second passing option on this team, it is just too easy to defend!!!! After the bye week, it will be interesting how the Bucs adjusts, and a couple of roster changes!!!!

    Go Bucs!!!!!!!

  2. Dreambig Says:

    Koetter needs to up his game as well. Sims is proving not to be able to carry the load running and the play calling is not adjusting. Where are the quick slants and screens to help counter act the agressive run defenses? Where is the creative play calling to take advantage of to many men in the box to stop the run? Where is the acknowledgement that the offense has been more productive in the up tempo game, so do up tempo more and not less. Maybe its there and Jameis is failing to execute, but I am not seeing Jameis get much help from Koetter.

  3. Dreambig Says:

    Its a good point Realist. Even in the preseason the Bucs averaged less than 3.5 yards a carry even when Doug was in.

  4. iamkingsu Says:

    The last 3 games Koetter has been in over his head. Will he improve?? Maybe. But at this particular time he’s horrible. Body language, play calling(when to punt), clock management etc. Got dam You’re the head football coach your team is looking at you!!

  5. Doolnutts Says:

    I don’t care what anyone says anytime your QB turns it over is devastating. Any time your QB turns it over in your territory forget about it. Our defense was never going to be as good as the offense and anyone saying other wise isn’t paying attention. We are going to ride and die by the performance of our QB and until he learns how to take care of the football we aren’t going to win many games regardless of the coach…. Stats are stats there is no denying the defense is averaging giving up 32 points a game but lets keep in mind the pick sixes, the fumbles and INT’s on our own 40 yard line that have directly correlated to that high 32 point average.

  6. Waterboy Says:

    Agree with Realist and Dreambig.

    Koetter needs to make adjustments if they can’t run the football and his 2nd yr QB is struggling. If I’m not mistaking I think the complaint against Koetter in Atlanta was they wanted to throw 40 times a game and wouldn’t run the ball and teams were starting to tee off on Ryan. I’ll do some research on that later to confirm.

  7. mike Says:

    Some of the problem for the defense is the turnovers that give the other team easy scores. Also, Jameis is regressing because our GM did nothing to help him. Replaced a good O lineman with Sweezy. Has a compliment 3rd down back as Martin’s back up…. you can’t do that! You have to have your #2 back as a true back up, some one that can carry the load when #1 is out. Sims is nothing more than a good change of pace and can never be a guy with more than 10 carries. And then go the whole off season and don’t get any WR depth and speed. Instead Jason got a kicker.

  8. Kobe Faker Says:

    Maybe we should have drafted a receiver to help jameis instead of a bad kicker?

    Teams are doubling me13 and koetter is running sims to the middle 1st and 2nd down. Vjax doesnt feel like he wants to play.

    What do you guys want jameis to do on 3rd down and long? He is the most blitzed qb this year

  9. LUVMYBUCS Says:

    I thought it was a passing league – and running backs are obsolete.

  10. Defense Rules Says:

    Excellent points Doolnutts. You win & lose as a TEAM … for Kirwan to point a finger at the defense for giving up 32 pts/game doesn’t tell me much … it’s only one piece of the big picture. Like you said, a lot of those pts came from the offense (INTs, fumbles, short fields). Agree with Realist that Bucs offense has other issues that need to be addressed (run game, WRs, etc), and I’m sure will be to some extent by the time we get back from the Bye-week (getting healthy is #1). Coach Koetter’s not in over his head at all; there’s just not enough to work with at this moment to beat good defenses. I feel for Jameis because he’s an all-in competitor and is willing to do whatever it takes to win. Unfortunately he’s pressing too hard right now trying to create things that just aren’t there, and it’s killing him (and us). I’m convinced that hitting the pro’s after only 2 years of college is impacting him right now … excellent leadership skills but he needed that extra 1 yr at least to experience more (different?) game situations and let his physical skills mature too (accuracy?).

  11. LUVMYBUCS Says:

    Jameis Winston (1-3)
    1st round (1st overall) of the 2015 NFL Draft.
    Tampa Bay Buccaneers
    Offensive Ranking (T) 23rd
    • Passing: 14th
    • Rushing: 25th ←

    Case Keenum (3-1)
    Undrafted Free Agent of the 2012 NFL Draft
    Los Angeles Rams
    Offensive Ranking (T) 32nd
    • Passing: 30th
    • Rushing: 23rd ←

    I guess a formidable defense – will always win you games in the NFL.
    Even if you don’t have a top-notch quarterback or sound running game ; who knew

  12. mike Says:

    @luv my bucs. Yeah, thats how we won a super bowl. Broncos did too last year and maybe this year. In today’s NFL, one side of the ball has to be dominate. You will never see a team that can do both consistantly.

  13. LUVMYBUCS Says:

    QB – Jameis Winston
    • Interceptions: 8 | Int%: 4.5 ←
    • Fumbles: 3
    Total: +11 in turnovers ← that’s what killing the BUCS

  14. LUVMYBUCS Says:


    Yes Sirrr – Always has and Always will

  15. Stpetebucsfan Says:

    The truth is that the Bucs faced a very tough schedule with consecutive good teams!!!!

    Realist FTW!

    Yes the four teams we’ve faced have a combined 11-5 record! Three of those teams are in first place in their division including the Atlanta team we managed to beat on the road. The “weak” team was Arizona on the road…think that was an easy game?

    #3 is struggling not because he has no talent, no coaching, no receivers, no Oline, he’s struggling because it’s the freaking NFL and we’re playing poorly right now against some very good teams.

    Our defense is not that far away if we can get Ayers back after the break and discover a pass rush. We are ranked 15th in overall defense…barely in the top half but still showing some promise if we can simply correct two things.

    #3 simply HAS to protect the ball better. We’ve given away more than 14 points a game in turnovers and short fields.

    Our defense has to stop giving up the big plays. We actually play well and then surrender a bomb or commit a moronic penalty that converts 3 and 17 for our opponents.

    I still need to see how this team plays the final 11 after the bye before I pass any judgement.

  16. LakelandBuc Says:

    The defense is giving up 32 points a game ? How about the fact that teams are scoring 14 points a game off our turnovers.

  17. The Buc Realist Says:


    The Bucs needed to run thru this gauntlet of a tough schedule though!!!! This is how you expose your teams weaknesses so that they can be addressed!!!!!!! Taking the Jags to overtime for a win, and the sheep thinks this team is chock-full of pro-bowlers!!!!!

  18. LUVMYBUCS Says:

    U have to have –some kind of franchise indentity.
    What are you gonna hang your hat on.

    Example: Vikings D- Line

    Dominant D-Line Not New To Vikings Franchise

    The dominant nature of the Vikings defensive line early this season is reminiscent of some of the elite groups the franchise has rolled out over the course of it’s 50+ year history.

    Sure we’ve got one up on w/ a Super Bowl win. But their winning percentage vs ours
    since 76. Blows us out of the water. The one consist thing they have over us is that D-Line.

  19. 911bucs Says:

    Why wait until after the break to make adjustments? Do it now so this team isn’t so predictable.

  20. LUVMYBUCS Says:


  21. LargoBuc Says:

    Carolina’s secondary might be worse than ours. An extra day to prepare and this offense should compete. They know what Carolina is going to do, it’s that Lovie 3 defense. Start Jaq Rodgers to start a running game. Jameis and Koetter know whats at stake. They know they have to be on point. These two are not going to let this team get pushed around.
    As for the defense, IDK if Cam is playing but if so, you have to contain him. Easier said than done but be unpredictable. Don’t tip your safeties. And don’t let him bootleg, we have two very athletic linebackers lets use them! This Monday night is basically our season. Plus we got crushed by Carolina twice last year. This we will measure where the new regime is. GO BUCS!

  22. Stpetebucsfan Says:

    That which doesn’t break us makes us stronger.

    I agree Realist that this tough gauntlet could have a silver lining and it has been a great test..

    Not to keep beating the dead horse…but we’re really going to learn a lot about this team’s spirit, resilience, toughness and yes our current culture when we see how the guys play after the bye.

    Will they fold the tent? Have they given up like so many Buc teams before them?

    This stretch is going to either make us stronger…or like some of the posters here show that we’re already broken. Personally I still have faith in the guys.

  23. orlbucfan Says:

    Thank you, @Stpetebf!! The whiners and haters are just boring. This blog predicted 1-4 so what’s with all the bellyaching? We also need coaching STABILITY!! Go Tampa Bay!! Fingers and toes are x’ed that I will be able to listen Monday night.

  24. JonBuc Says:

    Koetter & Co. ( yeah, you Smiley Mike Smith ) may be a “one & done” operation. I didn’t like that Smarmy Smith with ATL…although I was willing to give him a chance. Prevent defense simply doesn’t work.

  25. Chris Says:


    Are you serious? So when the great Americas turnover machine qb is throwing picks into double and triple coverage putting the opposition in scoring territory or returning for pick 6’s it’s the defense?

    Take the homer lenses off guys. I’m not giving up on Winston yet but you call it like you see it. No excuses. He’s a big reason why our defense is giving up points.

  26. unbelievable Says:

    Doolnuts and LUV speaking some truth this morning!

    There will always be the same 4 posters whining and crying about the same things every day on every single article. I’m learning to just ignore comments as soon as I see their username.

  27. pick6 Says:

    in the meantime, the bills are re-signing karlos williams, jameis’ former teammate who averaged 5+ yards\carry and racked up 9 TDs in his rookie year. surprisingly, there are still guys out on the street who can run between the tackles. they’re not going to turn into league MVPs but they might be good enough to spell our injured starter and there’s a decent chance they have better inside running instincts than charles sims and better size than jacquizz rogers

  28. satchseven Says:

    kinda good thing to see this, your dumb fan base could not see you were not that talented last year or this year

  29. Poor Glennon Says:

    Exactly pick6, CJ Spiller was signed last week.