Ditching The Pitch Count

October 24th, 2016

McCOycampWhat happened to Dirk Koetter’s plan to limit the snaps of Gerald McCoy yesterday?

Coming off a calf muscle injury, Koetter said last week on SiriusXM NFL Radio that McCoy would be a on a pitch count, limited work duty.

That wasn’t the case. McCoy played 64 of 70 defensive snaps, surely a lot more than necessary in the blowout victory at San Francisco.

Letting America’s Quarterback, Jameis Winston, get beat up at the end of out-of-reach games and having McCoy hammer away on a healing calf, man, Koetter just doesn’t believe in protecting his stars.

McCoy registered his team leading third sack of the season with 3:48 remaining in the game. Rookie DE Noah Spence closed the game with his second sack of the year.

81 Responses to “Ditching The Pitch Count”

  1. D-Rome Says:

    That’s not wise on Koetter’s part. That defensive line looked very different and much improved with McCoy in there. That’s to be expected when a top 5 talent at defensive tackle is in the game.

  2. D-Rome Says:

    I hit send too soon.

    There was a point in that game where it would have been good to keep McCoy out for the rest of the game. Not in the beginning of the 4th quarter but I’d say halfway through the 4th.

  3. Pit Says:

    Any news on MCD?

  4. The Buc Realist Says:

    Loved watching the Buc D yesterday!!!! commie kaepernick felt very “oppressed” once the Bucs got rolling!!!!!!!

    Go America!!!!

    And Go Bucs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  5. stpetebucsfan Says:

    I was screaming about #3 being in the game on yesterday’s thread. The 49ers had nothing to play for and the game was getting chippy. MG8 is no #3 but he can turn and hand the ball off.

    I don’t understand GMC getting so many snaps either.

    But unlike some of the real maroons here calling for DK to be fired or questioning his play calling, I’ll stick with OUR coach.

    Oh btw for the jack wagons who are already to run DK.

    Yesterday over 500 yards of offense. Yeah it was against the horrible niners. Have previous Bucs teams played some horrible ompetition over the years?

    Let’s put DK’s accomplishments in perspective. This was the third time DK’s offense has produced more than 500 yards in 22 games.

    The Bucs have only reached 500 yards of offense 3 times in the 39 year history of the franchise. Read that again and let it seep in! DK has done in 22 games what the franchise needed 39 years to accomplish.

    Yet some here were ready to run DK after five freaking games. If I was someone who did that I’d create a sock puppet and bury whatever name you posted that kind of moronic nonsense under!!!!

  6. Chris@Apple Roof Cleaning Says:

    I wish we would have signed Freeny. Imagine a line with both McCoy and Freeny ?
    But what a difference with McCoy back in there.

  7. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    I don’t think Koetter was taking any chances on some sort of miracle comeback from SF.

    Once again, another coach/team made comments about having to pay special attention to GMC.

    GMC is a good player (not Sapp) and we are a better team with him playing.
    I don’t understand how any objective fan could feel otherwise. Sometimes you have to put your personal likes/dislikes aside and look soley at the evidence.

    As far as the money he makes…..what about paying Verner 7mil to sit on the bench…..or Vjax’s $10 mil & Sweezy $6 mil for injury & Martin…..it all averages out…..we have players like Brate, Humphries, Pamphile, Hey Jude, Rodgers making near to nothing……

  8. Brian Says:

    Jesus H… NOTHING is ever ok with you people.

  9. R.O. Says:

    I’m not convinced that McCoy is a “Star” maybe in his own mind. I still don’t see a consistently dominant DT. As Ronde said yesterday when GM got his sack. “Really haven’t called his name a lot today”…

  10. R.O. Says:

    People do need to stop saying when we win that the other team sucks… Like good teams don’t have to play bad teams? How $hitty has the AFC East been for the last 12-15 years if not longer for the Patriots? All teams good and bad play teams that are good and bad.. Amazing. Flawed logic to think the Bucs are the only teams with depth issues at certain positions. I would rather have Kicking issues with a Rookie then Veterans like Phoenix and Seattle last night…. get over it.

  11. The bucfan 88 Says:

    Hey guys the d is improving and once we get McDonald & the rabbit pitbull ayers back man this defense might be a strength for this team down the stretch all I gotta say is go Bucs

  12. ColoradoBuc Says:

    And I was going to say how “nice” the comments have been after a win. Some people just can’t be satisfied.

  13. Bucsfanman Says:

    We’re a better team with him than without.
    Leaving these guys in seems unwise once the game is in hand. However, there have been few times in recent history where the Bucs have any game in hand.
    Great win!

  14. tmaxcon Says:

    bucs are not good enough of a team and do not know how to WIN consistently enough to be pulling players out of a game.

  15. Chris Says:

    Best the defense has looked all year. I’ve been one of the bigger critics in here, but as Samuel L said in Pulp Fuction , I had, what alcoholics call, a moment of clarity. We do look improved, and in this years wacky world of the NFL, a chance to perhaps make some playoff noise. But the kicker, we need to do something about him, like SPBF said, maybe an IR, hamstring injury. I would hate to think our playoff chances could ride on an erratic kicker.

  16. BucFan20 Says:

    Hey. The 49er’s sucked. It was said all week. Poor, poor , poor garbage team. NO EXCUSE not to beat them. So we beat them. Now beat a real team.

  17. ndog Says:

    Brian, EXACTLY! Wasn’t it just last week people were saying Koetter was to blame for the light training camp and being too easy on the players. With this board nothing he does is correct.

  18. Chris Says:

    I don’t mean just the 50 yrder that he kicked wide Saturn on either. The extra point hitting the goal post and another near miss on a chippy

  19. tmaxcon Says:


    very accurate sir… very accurate… i love these guys bashing fans for not guzzling the kool aid this morning over a game the bucs should have won. yes it s a good win on the road but until they win consistency and beat good teams there really i nothing to be excited about.

  20. JD Says:

    Thanks st pete… I dont whats wrong with these dudes dirk is doing a good job… These last 2 years have been the be9st I’ve ever seen our offense look… And what i like about dirk we our finding our identity… Run first then jameis

  21. tmaxcon Says:

    dirk already passed Lovie’s first year win total with 10 games left to play and lovie had 9 years of previous head coaching experience. Dirk is far from perfect but I love his attitude and he is NOT AFRAID to make adjustments or changes unlike the previous unqualified regime. the anti dirk crowd led by the ignorant racist BigHog better get used to Koetter being in Tampa…. What size koetter tee shirt big hog

  22. Youngbucs Says:

    McCoy is not a high motor guy

  23. Defense Rules Says:

    What’s really neat is that the Bucs are winning despite losing a bunch of starters to injuries, on both offense & defense. The offensive core has held up well: Jameis, the OLine, ME13 and Humphries too. Losing Martin & Sims hurt, but not actually as much as losing Stocker (getting him back to block is huge). Our DLine has been decimated, but our LBs and secondary have really held up very well are are gelling nicely now. For anyone who questions GMC’s value to this team, all I can think is that you really don’t appreciate what goes on in the trenches. GMC & Will Gholston are invaluable. Both of them were in on over 90% of the defensive snaps yesterday. They’re both beasts.

  24. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    Anyone who says McCoy didn’t play well clearly have no idea what to look for. How many times did you see Kap escape the pocket and run? Any idea why? We were getting push from up the middle, but the ends were getting pushed too deep, leaving a hole between the DT’s and the ends. They actually did single block him a few times, and McCoy completely blew up the play. But I’m not even going to argue about it today, because it’s so obvious, and it’s just not worth my time after a great win. Go Bucs!

  25. Mike Johnson Says:

    49ers are not a good team. We beat them. As for McCoy, you are crazy if you do not think he is a good player. He’s not great..but good. And when he is not playing, we do fall apart a bit. So, leave the man alone. We just need more good players on our Defensive line..thats all. And tmax, Bighog ain’t racist. You sound like Trump. Not everybody puts on a skirt and waives pom poms with every comment here. I love the Bucs But I’m tired of you guys yearly..applauding mediocrity in this organization. We/You/all fans need to be very critical of an organization who has had only 9 or 10 winning seasons since 1976. That’s..piss poor. Me? I’ll not stop being critical until we win consistently. And when we play hard like yesterday, I”ll applaud. You guys think everybody who says Lovie should have been given one more season is racist? Well, guess I’m one too. Bighoghayes is entitled to express his opinion like me. Joe has not banned us because he to does not want you candycan,,ners singin hallelugah all the time!!

  26. Defense Rules Says:

    tmaxcon & BucFan20 … One game at a time. We caught 2 teams (Panthers & 49ers) when they were down & they made a ton of mistakes, some of which we forced and then capitalized on. But some other teams have caught us when we were down (injuries, etc) & we made a ton of mistakes in those games, and it cost us. Some teams (like the Patriots?) manage to overcome that stuff regularly. Bucs aren’t there yet. But we’re improving steadily, and that’s what’s important. So is having guys step up and play big, like Shep & Jacquizz & many others.

  27. DB55 Says:

    McCoy had good pressure on the pick by McDougle. That is all. Most of the pressure came from Spence on the outside causing Kap to step up or run.

    I like the Spence and Jones combo. Much better than Lambert

  28. shouldhavedraftedefiert Says:

    He’s so ass backwards as a head coach, rests them too much during pre-season then wears them out during the season. This guy is too emotional to be a HC right now, he’s just like Jamies all freaked out every play, too reactionary. Runs Rogers 9 times in a row to start the game, Rogers was praying for a pass play (tired backs fumble), then with the game on the line goes away from the run and tries to take a shot from their own 20 yardline that could have been picked. He’s got no balance in his game planning, which leaves up to Jamies to wing it I’m sure. He’s been coaching 20+ years and admittedly is still baffled by the 2 minute drill and clock management. I hope he listens to his players and I hope they speak up. Koetter needs some coaching up, hopefully Mike Smith is helping him.

  29. Lord Cornelius Says:

    Spence looked pretty good to me against the 49ers – i think his hurt shoulder was really holding him back. The sack was great and he was flashing a bit off the line. I think we’ll be really glad we got this guy in the 2nd round by year end if he stays healthy

  30. tmaxcon Says:

    Defense Rules

    I agree with you 100%. Good game good win. It was nice to see them win a game they should win next step is consistently winning games like that. However, the first priority is to learn how to win at home. I was looking at the home stats and it’s down right pathetic.


    Your boy played a good game. I was surprised he held up.

  31. tmaxcon Says:


    Smith Jones combo played fast.

  32. orlbucfan Says:

    GMC is just as good as Sapp was. He hasn’t had the same supporting cast that Sapp had. Plus, he’s a decent fellow to the fans. Sapp was just too dumb for that one. This game Sunday will be a mile-marker on where Bucs are at in development. Bucs Win!! (I hope.) 🙂

  33. DB55 Says:

    When Koetter starts with 6+ runs we usually have a good game/win. If it ain’t broke….

    I’d like to see more play-action, roll outs and read option personally. Jameis can run, just another wrinkle to add to the offense.

  34. DB55 Says:


    Please shot yourself now. Thank you.

  35. orlbucfan Says:

    shouldhavedraftedefiert Says:
    October 24th, 2016 at 11:36 am
    TROLL ALERT!! Get lost!

  36. D-Rome Says:

    i love these guys bashing fans for not guzzling the kool aid this morning over a game the bucs should have won. yes it s a good win on the road but until they win consistency and beat good teams there really i nothing to be excited about.

    Wow tmaxcon, that’s a refreshing point of view from you. I completely agree with this. The kool-aid drinkers will try to convince you that they never doubted the team but we all felt the anxiety once the team was down 14-0. It’s good to see the Bucs beat garbage teams. That’s what good teams and teams on the rise do.

    You seem to be a very reasonable fellow with good takes on the Bucs unless the subject matter is:

    1. Smiling Ice Cream Man
    2. Head Coach of the Fighting Illini

  37. unbelievable Says:

    Agreed. I’d like to see a just a couple of those 1st and 2nd down runs changed up to a play action pass, especially in the 2nd half.

    If you noticed last week and this week, our running game was more effective in the 1st half. We still had some big plays but a lot of 1yard runs too. Just change up a few of those to a pass and we would be blowing games wide open.

  38. DB55 Says:


    Shhh, this is a secret don’t share with anyone!!!

    Did you see when GMC came off the field after the penalty on the FG attempt? Did you notice how the entire sideline avoided him like the plague? I’m thinking his schtick is wearing thin. Peeps looking at him like “whatever dude get out my face”.

  39. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    “Did you see when GMC came off the field after the penalty on the FG attempt? Did you notice how the entire sideline avoided him like the plague? I’m thinking his schtick is wearing thin. Peeps looking at him like “whatever dude get out my face”.”


    Hilarious. You’re so desperate to be right,lol. You’ve got it all figured out once again. Even in a win, you are so desperate to find anything negative to say about GMC. You can get no credibility doing such, because I promise you everyone can see right through it (except for the 2 or 3 others doing the exact same thing). I just hope it continues so the less frequent visitors to this site can see it as well.

  40. tmaxcon Says:


    GMC is just as good as Sapp was.


    I have been trying to be nice with you but after a dumb ass statement like that you are fair game now young lady…. did you watch sapp play a game eve…. Comparing GMC to Sapp is like comparing Deacon Jones to Richard Simmons

  41. DB55 Says:


    Mind your business can’t you see that was a private message to Tmax. Smh. #rude

  42. shouldhavedraftedefiert Says:

    @orlbucfan LOL you think GMC is as good as Sapp. Retard alert!

  43. Hawaiian Buc Says:


    My bad

  44. orlbucfan Says:

    DB55 Says:
    October 24th, 2016 at 11:47 am


    Please shot yourself now. Thank you.
    Please proofread. Thank you.

  45. 813bucboi Says:

    @Stpete…easy now….as Dotson said in the earlier post, you cant get too high on this win….I loved it but that’s what we are suppose to do against trash team….the 500 yards we put up were against lousy teams….if we can put up 500 yards against the chiefs or seattle then i’ll sing dirk some praise….have smitty slow down the raiders, falcons and charges and then i’ll say we’ve turned the corner….with that being said I have been encouraged by the teams determination to win….dirk doesn’t abandon the run as quick as he did in the first few games and smitty is getting LVD into the flow of the game by blitzing him a little more….things are looking up but im waiting for a quality win vs. a quality opponent….im sure most will agree….GO BUCS!!!

  46. orlbucfan Says:

    tmaxcon Says:
    October 24th, 2016 at 12:05 pm


    GMC is just as good as Sapp was.


    I have been trying to be nice with you but after a dumb ass statement like that you are fair game now young lady…. did you watch sapp play a game eve…. Comparing GMC to Sapp is like comparing Deacon Jones to Richard Simmons
    I’m a young lady? Nope, just an old turkey-sinned geezer who has been following this team since 1979. I know all about old Warren (from Plymouth, FL) Sapp. Musta stepped on a few toes again. However, thanks for the compliment. 😉

  47. Warren Says:

    The GMC haters on this site are the worst kind of fair weather morons with zero football IQ. Always finding something negative even in a win where the guy was a dominant force! Evidence be damned I guess..

  48. martinii Says:

    Based on all the injuries SF sustained in the 4th quarter it turned into a practice session. I think as the team heals they are going to need to re-gel with starters replacing back-ups. Consequently I was not concerned about Koetter leaving GMC and Winston in the game

  49. tmaxcon Says:


    Since you are such a football expert. Name 5 game changing / winning plays that SHE has made over the course of her career. I’ll give you the ATL Mat Ryan sack so now you go and try to find us 4 more plays. The bucs will NEVER win consistently with a mentally weak fragile fraud making 100 million it’s a waste of money for the return the organization receives. ROI is the most important factor in building a consistent winner not signing a bunch of mentally weak fragile choir boys… GMC is a good player not a great player who is nowhere near worth the cash he is getting bad for is 1 or 2 plays a year.

  50. Warren Says:

    ^^ Exhibit A – zero football IQ

  51. Warren Says:

    I’ll leave this here from a JBF article from TODAY:

    “It was a very difficult, we had some match up problems I think with [Tampa Bay Buccaneers DT Gerald] McCoy when he was isolated and was in one-on-one. So we had to make sure that we had some help to his side in terms of [who it would be], whether it was the back on his way out. We have to get our back there to make sure that we have protection with that three-technique in terms of where he is.” — 49ers coach Chip Kelly.

  52. tmaxcon Says:

    Come on Warren he’s such a beast rattling off 4 game changing plays over a 7 year career should be easy. Especially for such a great football mind like yours…

  53. DB55 Says:

    McCoy 2 tackles 1 sack

    Gholston 5 tackles 1 sack

    Nuff said… the week prior McDonald had 8 tackles and 1.5 sacks.

    Tell me again how he’s the best player on the team?

  54. D-Rome Says:

    >Tell me again how he’s the best player on the team?

    Teams don’t double Gholston and McDonald with any regularity like they do with McCoy.

  55. Hawaiian Buc Says:


    You don’t judge a DT by tackles. How hard is that for you to understand???? Go back and look at the game stats for Warren Sapp. GMC is basically on the same pace as McCoy when it comes to number of tackles. Such a completely ignorant, fantasy football, lazy argument. You should be ashamed, but I know there’s no shame in your game.

  56. Chris Says:

    I like the defense, I think McCoy played with a good motor, Gholston, hell Noah Spence made a return from the preseason. That said, I don’t believe McCoy ” dominated ” as you suggest

  57. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    I’m just going to let these ignorant fools make themselves look stupid. I’m going to engage them just enough so they keep it up. Funny thing is, they just don’t get it. They actually think they are smarter than everyone else, including the coaches, players, front office people, and other fans. I love it, and hope it never stops.

  58. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    Like seriously, what type of person continuously visits a Bucs fan site to trash a significant player on the team, no matter if we win or lose? How sad of a life must you have? Anytime I feel bad, I just think about how much worse people like that have it.

  59. DB55 Says:

    but I know there’s no shame in your game.
    Aaaand you know this maaaang….

    I really like fkn w you Hawaii, it’s fun!!!!!

  60. DB55 Says:

    Not my fault you have his pp permanently lodged in your mouth. That’s sounds like a personal problem to me. Seek help!!

  61. LovieBall Says:

    MG8 will never play as long as JW3 is healthy. Winston will get 100 percent of the snaps no matter the situation or score.

  62. Bucsfanman Says:

    I knew this would turn into a GMC bash-fest! Relax Hawaiian, even tmax and DB55 KNOW that GMC had a good game. They’re just stirring the pot. Right DB55 and tmax?!! Even you can admit A good game!

  63. tmaxcon Says:


    The bucs are getting HORRIBLE ROI on McCoy… Easily could bring in 3 or 4 players for what he is making and get double the production. simple as that.

  64. tmaxcon Says:


    he had a good game but he is PAID to have GREAT games. He can’t stay healthy and has led this defense into the ground the by quiting on the last 3 coaches. DB is right you can see the players tuning him out. Players like Winners… GMC is a happy loser.

  65. tmaxcon Says:


    MG8 most likely will never play again. Not because Winston does not get hurt but because MG8 SUCKS!!!!

  66. Bucsfanman Says:

    Well, unfortunately for you perhaps, we’re going to see this guy play in a Buc uniform for a few years. And guess what, that’s OK. We are better with him in the game. When we finally get back some of the other pieces, we might end up with a fairly respectable unit.
    When we start winning more games will you please refer to him as a “Happy Winner”? I’m just asking!

  67. kysteve9 Says:

    Good grief. We need every win we can get to establish the “winning mentality” this team has to come up with. This is 2 WINS in a row…….now let’s build on that. Been a fan since 76 so I’ve seen it all. I see “potential” in this group and see optimism in the coaching staff. We have a long way to go to be a dependable team but we have better pieces to work with. I think GMC makes everyone around him better when he plays. It’s nice when he makes the flash play but as long as he ties up one or two linemen and allow someone else (anyone else) to be able to make a splash play it is what we need.
    We have to play better than we did in the start of this game if we want to win consistently. But we didn’t quit, players made plays when we needed it and we won. There is a lot to improve on but in past years we would have folded tents after 0-14 and lost. GO BUCS!!!!

  68. tmaxcon Says:


    he wont be here much past next season between injuries and his production being NO where near his pay rate coupled with the need to pay the younger more productive players I’d be very surprised if GMC is a buc after next season. But since you are a hell of a guy or gal / I’ll gladly call him anything you like if they are winning.

  69. Buccaneers Says:

    McCoy was in the backfield for much of that game as he often does. He interrupts many plays and sorry if you dont credit that as “game changing” but, in facts, it does……And when McCoy sacks to QB to set up 3rd and long thAT’s another game changer. Unfortunately for us, brutal secondary play allowing 3rd and long to be completed also change the game. Disagree if you like but you will be wrong.

  70. tmaxcon Says:


    he is on the bench more than the backfield and that can not be denied. you can not tie up a 100 million on a part time average player.

  71. DB55 Says:


    Disagree if you like but you will be wrong.
    McIceCream’s sack came in the 4th with 3:48 left to play and a comfortable 34-17 lead. How is that game-changing? What in the world are you talking about?

  72. ATrain Says:

    I don’t get it..McCoy made three plays ..Two at the end of a blow out game.

    Where was he in the first quarter..This guy is the second highest paid DT in the Game and has Three sacks in 7 games.

    Hurt every season.

    He should be the leader..

  73. Buccaneers Says:

    Sacks are game changing plays bro. No, not every one like the sack yesterday with little time and a blowout. I am talking about more than just this one sack. If you like go ahead and try to explain the what? 40-50 Sacks McCoy has had in his career. And you can call him a part-time player if you like but again you’re wrong. You may look that up too and let me know how many tackles in history come close to McCoys sack totals……..Certain that any name you come up with was not a part time player, just like Gerald.

  74. tmaxcon Says:


    when you have missed 21 games been on IR 2 or 3 times I believe and missed parts of 8 other games you are a part time player. That does not even include all the plays he has quit on. he is good not great and certainly not worth 100 million

  75. DB55 Says:

    So I gotta do your research for you but we’re wrong?! Okay, got it.

    It’s hard to take you guys seriously cuz you defend so hard but can never provide facts. EVER! Bc I said so just don’t cut it, bruh.

  76. Buccaneers Says:

    Dang why you keep being wrong tmax?……..Again this is another thing you can look up and let me know about………..McCoy has been plenty durable and your dreaming if you don’t think injury affect the majority of NFL careers………… in fact the average amount of games that Gerald McCoy plays has been a pretty good.

  77. Buccaneers Says:

    And don’t look now but Gerald had been looking more and more adorable with experience. Injury concerns are usually higher at his position because of how physical it is and because you’re body is not as strong yet facing guys with more experience. The injuries at the position tend to get lessened towards the prime of a defensive tackles career.

  78. DB55 Says:

    Gerald had been looking more and more adorable
    You finally said something that is true and fact-based. Lmao

  79. DB55 Says:

    Drops mic – peace out!!!

  80. Buccaneers Says:

    I did state a fact. Fact is that McCoy was consistently in the backfield disrupting plays yesterday. And he did so in the Atlanta game as well. He’s making a career out of this and your calling his impact worthless?? Laughable……..I have no reason to provide any more facts to my claims.

  81. Buccaneers Says:

    Durable haha