Wednesday Training Camp Notes & Nuggets From Jacksonville

August 17th, 2016


Hooray! The Bucs had fresh enemy bodies to crash into on the Jacksonville Jaguars practice fields today.

Joe made the road trip and has your need-to-know. Lots of it.

*You know it’s a joint practice when punt return work has bite to it. Bucs punt team went head to head with the Jags’ and vice versa, but with nobody hitting the actual returner. Bucs had one bad snap, and Dirk Koetter was front and center watching this session. Koetter isn’t always dialed in to special teams.

*Charles Sims is back on the field and is seen having his ankle re-taped about 10 minutes into practice. Never fear, Sims looked healthy all through the day.

*Drill work! One-hand grab by K-Y hands Mike Evans. Great play, and wide receiver Andre Davis followed up with one of his own.

*DROP! Evans over the middle in drills, the start of sloppy individual stuff early.

*Kenny bell slips on an inside cut and gets yelled at by receivers coach/offensive coordinator Todd Monken.

*DROP! Russell Shepard.

*Bad throw Jameis.

*DROP! Jonathan Krause.

*Another bad throw by Jameis and another DROP! this time by Donteea Dye. Wake up Bucs!

*Ahhh, Bucs get a break and run into the “cool zone,” a tented area with chilled seats and fans. Dirk Koetter barks at the team as they enter, “1-on-1s in five minutes, and then 9-on-7. Cool off now!” Koetter is so dead serious on keeping guys fresh.

*1-on-1s kick off. Lots going on while Bucs offensive players go against Jags players on one field, and vice versa on the other.

*Incomplete Jameis, followed by a nice hookup from No. 3 quarterback Ryan Griffin to Evan Spencer.

*Quick slant from Jameis to Adam Humphries, who was razor sharp through the day. Lots of chemistry evident between him and Jameis.

*Bell draws a pass interference call on Jags corner Demetrius McCray. Yes, there are officials calling everything all over the field. McCray came back with a nice breakup on Shepard. And Bell drew another flag against the Jags later in the session.

*Jags receiver Shane Wynn beats Hey Jude (Adjei-Barimah).

*Ex-Bucs 2010 second-round pick Arrelious Benn beats Keith Tandy.

*Alterraun Verner plays way off Tony Washington and is beat easily (shades of Lovieball).

*Jonathan Banks slips covering Wynn. Another rough day for Banks. (More on that later).

*11-on-11 time. Lavonte David stuffs Chris Ivory for a loss.

*Charles Sims had a nice cutback run, left to right, for three yards. Key there was Sims making a very sharp cut and looking healthy and quick. No signs of lingering injury.

*Blake Bortles rolls right and throws complete for 10 yards.

*Jameis hits Brandon Myers for 15 yards. Myers also is back healthy after a knee injury in the preseason opener. Interesting to see him running with the first team.

*Man, Jags backup QB Chad Henne had all day to throw against the Bucs’ second-team defense.

*DROP! Rookie running back hopeful Russell Hansbrough from Mike Glennon.

*Overall, throughout many 11-on-11 sessions today, there was little feel on intensity. Just not the bone-cracking stuff you might have expected. Very tame. Joe’s glad nobody got hurt, but there were no hits getting oohs and ahhs from the crowd of about 1,500 in attendance.

*1-on-1 pass rush time. Fun stuff, as Joe sucks down yet another water bottle in the stifling sun. No shade here, as Joe chats with ex-Jags great Mark Brunell on the sidelines.

*Jacquies Smith wins twice in a row against a Jags offensive lineman Kadeem Edwards, aka a Milk Carton and a Bucs fifth-round draft pick in 2014.

*Gerald McCoy manhandles A.J. Cann.

*Yes, there is lots of big beasts banging. Clinton McDonald’s helmet gets ripped off.

*Donovan Smith struggles a bit, while Evan Smith wins versus Tyson Alualu. Joe Hawley is called for holding of DE Chris Smith. Evan Smith wins again. Gosder Cherilus gets bullrushed, and the mess of Bucs camp meat offensive tackles (not Cherilus) continue to struggle mightily in drills and on the field.

*11-on-11 again, with Jameis hitting Cameron Brate on a seam route with excellent pass protection. 18-yard gain. Jameis to V-Jax on a short, wide slant, but a great breakup by Prince Amukamara.

*Six-yard laser from Jameis to Humphries.

*Nice play by camp-meat rookie tight end Alan Cross, a diving, sacrifice-your-body pass block on a blitz.

*More beatings for the Bucs’ third-team tackles.

*Jameis checks down to Luke Stocker. Jameis left complete to Sims. Jameis finds Humphries wide open nestled in the Jaguars’ zone — 20 yards and a first down. More great protection by the O-line. Bucs look very precise on that succession.

*Catch of the day goes to Kenny Bell! A leaping contested catch between two defenders on a 40-yard bomb by Mike Glennon. Nice! The Kenny Bell Mob goes wild.

*Glennon screen is tipped. Lazy toss. C’mon, Glennon, you’re way too tall for that.

*Roberto Aguayo goes 4-for-4 with the longest from 47 yards. However, one kick never went off because of a bad snap.

*Time for 2-on-3 pass rushing. Big-money Jags free agent Malik Jackson is no match for left guard Kevin Pamphile. Stoned! However, Jackson comes back and beats Hawley easily. Not Hawley’s best day.

*Robert Ayers beasts former first-round pick Luke Joeckel. Next, Ayers and Noah Spence run a pass rush game and crash into each other. Think Three Stooges comedy.

*Alualu beats Pamphile, but it was awfully slow developing. Still, Pamphile has to hold up better.

*Malik Jackson is visibly frustrated by Donovan Smith. Great sign for the Bucs and Jameis’ blind side.

*Gerald McCoy blows up rookie tackle Pearce Slater. No contest. Sort of like Joe and a Chinese buffet.

*Another beasting delivered by Ayers, this time from right DE.

*In 7-on-7 work, wide receiver Jonathan Krause draws a pass interference on Aaron Colvin, and Kenny Bell makes another diving grab. Strong day for Bell.

*11-on-11: Sims stuffed for no gain, while Bortles completes a five-yard pass on the adjacent field.

*Incomplete, Jameis to Brate.

*Pressure on Jameis and play blown dead.

*Vernon Hargreaves blitzes and play is blown dead after he gets near QB. Finally a flash from Hargreaves, who was beaten badly earlier by Rashad Greene. (See video on home page).

*INTERCEPTION! Glennon is picked off by safety Josh Evans. Bad throw.

*Peyton Barber with a nice cut.

*William Gholston tackles running back Joe Banyard and coaches yell, “Get up!” No tackling to the turf allowed.

*First team returns and it’s a couple yards for Sims on the ground.

*Bucs go four-wide, Brandon Myers, Luke Stocker, Austin-Seferian Jenkins and Mike Evans, and then Sims splits as the fifth wideout. DROP! Evans at the 2 yard line. Right in his hands.

*Glennon to Seferian-Jenkins in traffic. Nice. He was hit at the 2 yard line but held on.

*Major Wright gets torched deep by veteran tight end Mercedes Lewis. Touchdown! Wright a step slow and a half-foot too short.

*Another INTERCEPTION! of Glennon. Ugly five-yard throw right into the defender’s gut.

*Rookie camp meat linebacker Cassanova McKinzy gets burned while working with the first team. Touchdown. McKinzy looked real slow.

*Trick play! Jameis pitches right to Charles Sims, who pulls up and throws 20 yards to Luke Stocker in the end zone. Solid pass, but Stocker was double covered and can’t come down with the rock.

50 Responses to “Wednesday Training Camp Notes & Nuggets From Jacksonville”

  1. The bucfan 88 Says:

    When I read I was wondering what coach ment when he said he was disappointed by the O from what u said yea the had a slow start but it sound like they ended strong and I’m not going to lie I like that about coach K being great is not enough this team is going to shock the world

  2. gilhealy Says:

    Worth the wait, Joe. Thanks.

  3. Jason Says:

    Man it must have hurt Joe to say good things about Kenny bell

  4. Howie Says:

    Evans is scaring me with all these drops seems like every time joes posts his notes Evans has had multiple bad drops

  5. Kevin Says:

    These drops are just un heard of. Wtf is tom brady in the equipment room spraying the balls with cooking oil?

  6. Defense Rules Says:

    Awesome play-by-play Joe. Made me feel like I was there. Looked like far too many drops by our receivers, except for Adam Humphries. The chemistry between Jameis and him is bound to pay huge dividends this year. Good to hear that Brandon Myers is back out there healthy too.

  7. BucinJAX Says:

    Thanks for all that detail, Joe.

  8. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    Thanks Joe… made me feel like I was there…..

  9. HIRE JIMBO Says:

    Catch the F#CKING BALL EVANS. If u guys want to actually watch the jags dline vs our oline, look on the Jaguars app. Under videos, it’s like 12 minutes. Tommorow they will show bucs dline vs jags oline.

  10. Lord Cornelius Says:

    Drops will happen but hopefully not that many lol my lawd.

    Humphries is the only guy that I feel pretty confident in maybe only having 1-2 drops for the year. ME / Vjax have both shown they are capable of dropsies.

    ME had 11 last year which is really bad but he had 5 in the Giants game alone. Take that game out and he had the same as Julio Jones.

    He really wasn’t THAT terrible in the 15 other games (although some drops were in some big moments). Julian Edelman had 8 drops and is considered pretty reliable

  11. Idontwannahearitanymore Says:

    I have mixed emotions about these mixed results. TGICT (thank goodness it’s training camp).

  12. Mike Johnson Says:

    As usual, Banging camp coverage by Joe!
    Love it.

  13. Jason Says:

    Thanks Joe; and that other Jason (one who commented about your pro-Bell posts) wasn’t me FYI

  14. LUVMYBUCS Says:

    Appreciate it joe’s
    Thanks weathering the elements – to provide us with more some solid content.#respect

    Sidebar: Heard it was hotter than a hooker in church

  15. tmaxcon Says:

    I thought Glennon Came into his own and was starter material. I guess i read it wrong.8s struggling against lesser competition is not good… might see a change on qb depth chart if trend continues. Of course, i am sure 8s poor play is not his fault. I am sure there are 100’s of excuses and of course it’s unfair to judge 8s results without factoring in the numerous excuses.

  16. LUVMYBUCS Says:

    *Thanks weathering the elements – to provide us with more solid content

  17. Capt Blighe Says:

    Thanks Joe, awesome job.

    If everything you saw today was a game what was the score and who won.
    Sounds like the Jags won.

  18. stopthemadness Says:

    I hope VH3 has a great career for us. That being said hearing about Rashard Greene beating him badly never gets old. Kinda like the Tally days…


    We get it, you don’t like Glennon. Did he steal your girl or something?

  20. Dave Pear Says:

    Koetter said in his post practice presser that he didn’t even watch Bell’s catch because it would have been a sack.

  21. Buccfan37 Says:

    I enjoy these notes and nuggets like the whole gang does.

  22. NCMike Says:

    tmax…..l Let it go brother. JW wasn’t sharp either. Sounds to me like our D is now better then our O. It’s a good and bad sign. I myself can’t wait till the real games start and we see exactly what we have!

  23. Last Buc Fan Says:

    Thanks joe. Wonderful as always.

  24. Owlykat Says:

    Just like being there, Joe. Thanks for so much info. We need sure handed receivers. Hump and Brate! VJAX is better this year in that department, but Evans is a head case and they need to get him a shrink or a hypnotist.

  25. tmaxcon Says:


    Nope just tired of tired of the mob trying to make it sound Glennon is anything more than hot garbage

  26. SB with Jameis Says:

    Once again Joe, Thanks for the play by play as you see it. I am stoked. Not shocked by the negatives. All of them to the player are routine and expected except for ME13. Dude has more talent than most WR’s in the league already but I agree with Owly, he has to get his head right. I watched the kid play BBall in Galveston many times cause I lived right down the street from Ball High. The kid could catch the uncatchable. Here is to you getting it right Mike. I have faith in ya.

  27. SB with Jameis Says:

    tmax………have you signed up for the Pickem ??

  28. Waterboy Says:

    Great notes! Sounds like the Bucs struggled on offense today but I’m not worried at this point. A lot of people are underestimating the Jags but I’d be willing to bet they won’t be picking in the top 10 again in next year’s draft. Also the Bucs got good exposure to a 3-4 defense today so hopefully that’ll help down the road.

  29. BuccaneEric75 Says:

    Well done, Joe!

  30. SB with Jameis Says:

    Awesome!! we are up to 36 players in the Pickem

  31. LUVMYBUCS Says:


    C’mon brotha – lets give the young dude a pass (for now)
    Maybe his wife’s pregnancy hampered his development this offseason.
    Couple that with all the trade rumors – gotta be a strain.
    Now feel U – Business is Business. Trade’m or resign him at this point.

    But real talk I’m more conncerned with the OLine Play.
    Except for (Gosd, Evans) ALL of our backups look like hot garbage.
    I don’t even see how – Josh Allen’s occupying a roster spot.
    With time Taylor Falling & Ben Gottschalk could be solid.
    Outside of that Licht must be on the lookout- for solid LT,G to groom.

  32. LUVMYBUCS Says:

    SB with Jameis

    Whats good brotha?

  33. SB with Jameis Says:

    LUV…….My brotha from anotha motha!!! All is Great here. Summer camping, boating, berry picking! I hope all is well with you my friend! I am super Stoked about this season. More than I have been at Any point since the SB!
    Have you joined the league yet? I don’t see a “LUV” in there yet.

  34. SB with Jameis Says:

    Nevermind Bro! I see that you are In like Flynn!

  35. SB with Jameis Says:

    You make the 37th Bucs fan playing!!!! Dude if we get 40 it will be almost as much as a Bucs Away game attendance.

  36. LUVMYBUCS Says:

    Good to hear brotha
    Yeah I’m holding back my enthusiasm; but I’m pumped
    Just joined – the group. Lets go!

  37. SB with Jameis Says:

    Lol Yeah………..Let the smack talk begin!!! 🙂

  38. SB with Jameis Says:

    Oh I am guarded for sure but I feel more confident than I did after Rah’s 10 and 6 season. I knew there was a large degree of luck then and people playing Above their talent level. I think the air is just Right for our team to play Up to it’s talent level which is better than it was then. I think this coaching staff is right for us.

  39. SOEbuc Says:

    I would really like to see video on all these dropped passes just so I can understand. I know everyone thinks Jameis is God and always puts it on the money at the right time so I’d like to see what the situation is with these “drops.” Also, we have really gotta invest in this O-line over the next few years. Im scared sh!tl%ss to see what happens if one of our starters goes down

  40. Love and Warrick Dunn Says:

    “Brandon Myers, Luke Stocker, Austin-Seferian Jenkins and Mike Evans, and then Sims splits as the fifth wideout. ”


  41. Fsuking Says:

    Best notes of the pre season by far. Almost as good as the ones I take for my friends Bucs podcast. Don’t worry too much about Hargreaves getting beat by Rashad Greene. It’s just what happens when FSU guys take on Florida guys

  42. Fsuking Says:

    @Love and Warrick Dunn
    Exactly! Keep em on their toes


    Tmax there’s no MGM left. You won the war. You can breathe easy now.

  44. SB with Jameis Says:

    FIRE is right. JW killed the MG mob as far as the Bucs’ starter. Many are right though that he is an upgrade over a few Team’s QB situations. Hello Denver, Jets, Cleveland and maybe others.

  45. Buc1987 Says:

    Fsuking …lol nice.

  46. Berdj Joseph Rassam Says:

    It’s great to see the Bucs back on the field.

  47. Andrew Says:

    From reading these observations every day it doesn’t seem like Evan’s drop problem is getting any better. Very disappointing. Hopefully he will show up in-game, like Winston tends to do.

  48. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:

    SOEbuc Says
    “Also, we have really gotta invest in this O-line over the next few years. I’m scared #$%l%ss to see what happens if one of our starters goes down.”

    The offensive line is fine. It’s already got starters out, which is why the backups are getting playing time, or other starters are shifting to other spots on the line.

    That’s the thing…people thought we were seeing the projected starting offensive line on Thursday, and we were not.

  49. 813bucboi Says:

    @joe…thx for checking out andre davis….great em….GO BUCS!!!

  50. macabee Says:

    good notes!