Ryan Tannehill > Jameis Winston
August 11th, 2016
No. 25 QB per USA Today.
Time for some midday comedy brought to you courtesy of the McPaper.
It seems somebody doesn’t think America’s Quarterback, Pro Bowler Jameis Winston, is a pretty quarterback. Therefore, Steven Ruiz of ForTheWin.com, a site owned by USA Today, slaps Jameis as one of the worst quarterbacks in the NFL.
In his ranking of all NFL starting quarterbacks, Ruiz lists Jameis at No. 25, well below Canton-bound Ryan Tannehill of Miami whose greatest attribute, from what Joe can tell, is his choice in women. He’s also on the verge of losing his starting gig in South Florida.
Winston shook off a poor start to his rookie campaign thanks to an advanced understanding of defensive coverages. He’s not the smoothest athlete in the league and his mechanics are a mess, but Winston knows how to find open receivers. He anticipates windows in the defense like a 10-year vet. That willingness to throw a receiver open led to some of those awful interceptions that littered his 2105 season. As he learns what is and isn’t open at the pro level, his interception totals will drop. His biggest obstacle will be ridding his throwing motion of all those years of baseball. Winston winds up his throws and even has a bit of a leg kick on some attempts.
So Jameis is a bad quarterback because he is not a pretty quarterback, eh? Joe doesn’t give a damn if a guy throws a football like an uncoordinated giraffe so long as the decisions are good and — hello! — the pass is complete.
Joe doubts he could find one NFL scout, coach or executive who would take Tannehill over Jameis. The fact this guy thinks Tannehill is an average quarterback (No. 17) is just laughable. Joe wonders if Jerry Seinfeld will incorporate this analysis into his next stand-up routine?
August 11th, 2016 at 12:06 pm
I think this is just as absurd as those Mariota > Winston posts/articles we were forced to read over and over last year. I don’t know this author but I’m SURE he will be singing another tune this time in 2017. Book it!
August 11th, 2016 at 12:11 pm
As of right now, there is not 1 QB in the NFL that I would take over Jameis and I also don’t think there is anyone who would give us a better chance to win on Sundays than Jameis.
He is basically the #1 QB in the league as far as I’m concerned.
All these writers are stupid.
August 11th, 2016 at 12:15 pm
I would rather have Jameis than Aaron Rodgers, Cam, Russel Wilson, any of those other QB’s.
Once the season starts, our national image will start changing very quickly as we FORCE people to respect us.
August 11th, 2016 at 12:16 pm
I agree. Jaboo is on a level of his own. Some people just can’t shake their misguided hatred for Name is Winston. Mostly just the sheep who are slaves to the BSPN
August 11th, 2016 at 12:18 pm
Won’t go that far. Rodgers is a Hall of Famer. Wilson looks like he could be.
Jameis isn’t there yet. If Jameis can become a top-10 quarterback, Joe will gladly take that.
August 11th, 2016 at 12:23 pm
I’m expecting Jameis’s mechanics to look better this year. He’s put in the work. Jay Cutler is ranked 15th and the Bennett brothers both said he’s the worst QB in the league. I’ll trust them over Steven Ruiz.
August 11th, 2016 at 12:24 pm
Get em joe. Jameis is so pretty in Joe’s eyes. Don’t let them talk smack about your man!
August 11th, 2016 at 12:27 pm
Crack is whack, that is all.
August 11th, 2016 at 12:27 pm
Jay Cutler’s problem is he is a headcase.
The dude is as gifted as they come. Really don’t think he gives a sh!t, the polar opposite of Jameis.
That dude’s body language is the worst ever seen. Just looks like he’s out there for a paycheck and if all things were equal, he’d rather wear a coat on the sidelines and watch his defense get beat up than have to sweat in the cold Chicago air while on the field and get his uniform dirty.
If you didn’t know any better, you’d think Cutler is punching a timeclock at a factory.
August 11th, 2016 at 12:28 pm
Hope Winston saw this hacks assessment. Jaboo loves proving idiots like him wrong. Not that he needs the motivation but I have all the confidence in the world this moron will be singing a different tune in 10 to 12 weeks.
August 11th, 2016 at 12:30 pm
@ Joe,
I get your point, but do u think any of those QB’s would have a bigger overall impact on our team than Jameis is having?
I don’t think so.
Obviously, Jameis is near and dear to our hearts, but even looking at it objectively, I don’t think those other bring as much to the table as Jameis does. (Physical, mental, and emotional combined)
August 11th, 2016 at 12:30 pm
Also SI just posted their top 100 players in the NFL and they did not have Jameis in that either. Just a side not they also did not have G. McCoy on that list either only D.Martin and LVD made it.
August 11th, 2016 at 12:31 pm
And there is 6 DT’s on their list!
August 11th, 2016 at 12:33 pm
dont tell Miko that
August 11th, 2016 at 12:38 pm
Very much so.
August 11th, 2016 at 12:44 pm
Dag bro somewhat lame you resort to doing articles on any @$$ wipe that has something negative to say about Famous to get hits. True football football heads know this young man about to run this league here shortly, unconcerned with the opinions of haters who will be singing his praises the moment he wins his first Superbowl.
August 11th, 2016 at 12:54 pm
He obviously didn’t consult Miko before he wrote that dribble.
August 11th, 2016 at 12:55 pm
Mechnaics absolutely matter, Joe. Its the the difference between holding the ball too long or getting rid of it quick enough to avoid the rush. Footwork is huge and something winston said he needed to work on in the pocket. Planting off his back foot, shifting weight to his front and stepping and throwing in that direction. Sometimes Winston threw flatfooted and/or did not step into his throws which can lead to accuracy issues. While Jaboo has a decent arm mechanics can also mean the difference on whether a throw is is complete or intercepted due to not getting enough velocity on the throw. Winston cant just rely on his arm strengt using sloppy mechanics. He has to learn to make his
Reads faster, use all of them and all of the
Field, have a quick(er) release, and get more into the throws by being mechanically sound in his footwork, ball release placement, proper body torque, and follow through.
August 11th, 2016 at 12:57 pm
@ Joe
I guess we’ll have to agree to disagree on this topic.
My 2 favorite players in the league are Jameis on offense and Kwon on defense; and wouldn’t take anyone in the NFL over those 2 at their respective positions. (No, I wouldn’t even take Kuechly over Kwon).
After this season, my feelings on this will probably be looked at a bit more favorably.
August 11th, 2016 at 1:06 pm
Not for nothing but I think the guy that trained JW for the combine had JW using better mechanics than coach bajakien. Who is coach B anyway and why aren’t we hiring Gruden to be qb coach and OC?
Smith on 1 side and Gruden on the other? Can you say dynasty?
August 11th, 2016 at 1:14 pm
I can’t disagree with everything quoted in the article. I do disagree with the ranking though. I would put Jameis around 17th going into this year.
I consider that a pretty good spot considering it’s only the start of his second year. By year end, I’m hoping he’ll be top 10.
August 11th, 2016 at 1:18 pm
Joe Says
“Jay Cutler’s problem is he is a headcase.”
I’ve noticed people with diabetes carry themselves in much the same way, and he does have diabetes. The people I know have severe empathy issues. They tend to not show high energy either.
Might be a coincidence. I’m no medical expert.
August 11th, 2016 at 1:21 pm
I bet Ryan Tannehill doesn’t believe he is better than Jameis Winston
August 11th, 2016 at 1:21 pm
@Erik
I get what you are saying and love your loyalty, but I would not turn away Rodgers, especially with the oline being what it is now. He would take us all the way.
That said, he’s getting up there in years, so it wouldn’t last nearly so long as Jameis potentially can.
I’m still not sold on Jameis being a top QB. I like him. A lot (he’s earned it every step of the way), but props when props are earned. When he becomes top 10 or better, consistently, I’ll be more impressed.
Right now, I am enjoying what he’s showing.
August 11th, 2016 at 1:22 pm
Kwon is my current favorite player on defense too, followed by McCoy. Hopefully, the list will grow a lot this year.
August 11th, 2016 at 1:29 pm
this is one of those that you bookmark and circle back to when this genius does his 2016 rankings. i also got a kick out of Sam Bradford at #22 and jay cutler at #15.
August 11th, 2016 at 1:29 pm
*2017 rankings
August 11th, 2016 at 1:29 pm
uncoordinated giraffe? Why did you have to bring Mike “the cannon” Glennon into this?
August 11th, 2016 at 1:29 pm
Gus of course not☺. Neither dose marita who crying about the picks he’s throwing in training camp this year on some he feels he’s letting his team down type spit. Kinda different without the training wheels.
August 11th, 2016 at 1:35 pm
Not hating on JW3 at all, but some of the critique made isn’t unfounded. Like most everyone else here I think Jameis had a great rookie campaign and showed marked improvement in a lot of areas as the season progressed. He absolutely has the potential to be far better than Ryan Tannehill, as well as a lot of other starting NFL QB’s, but to this point he has only one year under his belt in the NFL. Based on the guy’s work ethic I totally expect he’ll have worked his butt off to correct those mechanic flaws and poor decisions about what is really open at the NFL level, but I can’t see getting all torqued up over the constructive critiques that were made about his rookie body of work.
August 11th, 2016 at 1:35 pm
1. Bajakian is very well-respected in NFL circles and Jameis loves the guy.
2. Chucky would never take anything less than a head coach gig, and recent history shows he won’t even take that.
August 11th, 2016 at 1:40 pm
While Aaron Rodgers and Russel Wilson are better QB’s right now than Jameis i would still pick Jameis over both of them. Rodgers was stuck behind Favre in his second year. Russel Wilson had the best RB in the league at that time and lets not forget a top notch (TOP 3) defense in the entire league in his second year. Jameis was thrown into the fire and we all know what the defense was last year… GARBAGE!!! Nole on Sat has been saying it since last year and i will take one from his page and say it myself “JUST WAIT FOR IT” because it’s coming and if you can’t see it now then you are just not giving the man his props. Jameis will be the TOP QB in the league by year 5 if not earlier. YES I SAID IT!! Lets fuhhhhhhkn go! Bucs are back in business fellas!!!!
August 11th, 2016 at 1:47 pm
This guy’s an idiot. Tannehill is a joke of a quarterback. He measures up to all the qbs of the buffalo bills in the 2000’s. His throws are inaccurate big time. He’s a scared little Bit** in the pocket. He can’t do sh** in the red zone. He should be ranked dead last in my book.
August 11th, 2016 at 1:48 pm
Tell’em AC.. And we won’t have to wait much longer on it I assure you.
August 11th, 2016 at 1:55 pm
Funny tho folks round here talkin bout mechanics and poor decision making. To you type I wanna say this those of us that are all up on Famous’s jot are there mainly because of what we strongly feel he will become in this league(my personal The Greatest). We have never said he is a finish product. His skillset,work ethic and desire to be an HOFr is why we are so high on him. For christ sake,Bret Farve’s first pass in the NFL was a pick 6.
August 11th, 2016 at 2:00 pm
@Nole that is true.. they look for anything to bash him without even knowing the history of the game. Noone comes in at QB and Dominates the league.. I mean you do have to crawl before you walk right? Same guys talking trash about him now will be saying I told you so once he makes it to the top. I don’t care what anyone says I’m taking Jameis over ANY QB in the league right now
August 11th, 2016 at 2:23 pm
Joe doesn’t give a damn if a guy throws a football like an uncoordinated giraffe
Joe,
I guess I’m the one who has to ask…..is this a subtle reference to MG8?
August 11th, 2016 at 2:24 pm
I am with Eric on this one. I would take Jameis over any other QB. Why? Because he is at the beginning of his career, has a huge heart, is a natural born leader and is driven to win and take others with him on the journey. Some of those other guys might be better today, but in the very near future I dont think they will be. We are in the beginning of something special, maybe even starting tonight!
August 11th, 2016 at 2:34 pm
I’d probably take Jameis over any QB but mainly because I’m a hardcore FSU homer (wife & I both went there and followed him intensely throughout his career). Him ending up as the Bucs QB is like the best thing that’s happened in my Bucs life besides the Super Bowl. And this could be bigger than that if he can make us relevant throughout his career and bring a title or 5.
He could play like the next 15+ years for us. Can’t say that about Rodgers (32). I would take him over Cam straight up because he has way more upside as a pure passer that won’t need his legs and can live off his arm and football IQ till he is 40.
Russel Wilson is tempting as he’s still only 27 and in his prime now but even then the FSU homer in me says nah. And RW is pretty reliant on scrambling like Cam is. Ride or Die with Jaboo
August 11th, 2016 at 2:34 pm
Rookie pro bowl QB with over 4000 yards lesser than Tannehill. In the words of Dr. Evil, “riiiight”
August 11th, 2016 at 2:46 pm
Tannehill better than Winston??? LOL – thats a good one.
Its funny seeing the Bucs “fans” who were Winston haters – er, sorry – “skeptics” pre-draft still getting drawn out on posts like this. JW has forced them to change their tune because he is obviously a special talent – but they are still hanging on to that “skepticism” – talking about his supposedly sub-par “mechanics” and “accuracy”
GTFO with that BS.
Winston is a bada$$ QB and will soon be a top 3 NFL QB. He’s already top 10 IMO. Pegging him at #25 coming into this year is a joke!
August 11th, 2016 at 3:00 pm
I think the wait is over, JAMIES is the new BRADY in this league!
August 11th, 2016 at 3:17 pm
I love it when our team or any of our players is undervalued or poorly rated. It just means they haven’t arrived yet and it’s a motivator. It’s worse to be overrated and praised up and down, thinking they’re better than they are.
August 11th, 2016 at 3:23 pm
What Lord C said and good point seasmonster.
August 11th, 2016 at 3:35 pm
After 40 years of hoping all of our QBs succeed….I have more confidence in Jameis than any of them…..
August 11th, 2016 at 4:03 pm
Winston was a top 12 fantasy QB last year while attempting the 22nd most passes on a team by team basis. Top 11 in yards and Top 7 in yards per attempt. 26 total TDs and over 4000 yards passing. One of the top 3 rookie seasons of all time. On a team with 2 rookie O-lineman and a banged up WR crew. I mean seriously guys how lucky are we? We have NEVER had this on our team.
Dude had an Andrew Luck type season but we didn’t make the playoffs so it was a lot quieter in terms of media coverage. We need to win and then people will probably realize his greatness.
August 11th, 2016 at 4:35 pm
Respect is coming.
August 11th, 2016 at 4:47 pm
Wonder if Miko agrees?
August 11th, 2016 at 4:56 pm
“his 2105 season”
We’re set at QB for that long?
August 11th, 2016 at 5:33 pm
DB55, I agree that Whitfield had Winston throwing great at the combine. However, when the real bullets fly, QBs usually go back to throwing the way they are comfortable. I’ve got faith in coach B to keep Winston developing. Besides, if there is any QB I’ve seen that could succeed with bad mechanics, it’s Jameis.
August 11th, 2016 at 5:44 pm
I of course have never been worried about his mechanics.
August 11th, 2016 at 5:49 pm
so basically the writer copied and pasted Winston’s pre-draft scouting report before the ’15 draft.
August 11th, 2016 at 5:52 pm
I’d guess that Jameis is around 65-35 on decision making. Still room for improvement, but not all that bad over all. Certainly better than the rating the above article gives him.
The guy is right about some of the mechanics issues…but you can tell he’s going off college games and never watched Jameis play with the Bucs, because some of those issues were fixed.
August 11th, 2016 at 5:52 pm
@JarvisMoss
I think you nailed it.
August 11th, 2016 at 6:29 pm
Wow, as a Jameis lover myself, very disappointed to hear that Joe thinks those other QBs would “very much so” make a bigger impact on the Bucs overall success. I agree with the poster that Jameis is our guy and I don’t want anyone else.
August 11th, 2016 at 6:56 pm
@feelthepewterpower,
You bring up fine points all of which I agree. But there’s one point that I believe you left out. The dropping back, planting the back foot etc etc, is fine if there’s time and protection. If you watch when J.W. sets up, there’s not much in the way of poor mechanics. However, when J.W. is tasked to move in the pocket, there’s trouble in river city. He looks with his head and often ends up with his feet flat, in the wrong place and we know what starts wrong, feet, ends wrong.
That said, a pro Q.B. is going to have days that it’s extremely difficult to exercise sound mechanics. That’s when the natural arm talent and football skills
Allow a play to be made even if every single mechanical breakdown occurs.
J.W. has natural skills to carry him when the play breaks down.
J.W. getting in shape and losing some lbs will be a benefit . Just look at last years 3rd and 4th qtrs. That’s usually the same time when those mechanical issues present themselves. Dude wasn’t where he needed to be fitness wise. This year different story.
Pewter one last item to consider. Last year J.W. according to you, was too slow in reading and releasing. Fair, but consider HE played with only half a field.
When you have double the options as last year, whole field, it is not too far a leap to say Jameis will improve in those areas.