What Easily Could Have Been

May 2nd, 2016
Who the Bucs didn't draft may determine pass/fail on Roberto Aguayo pick.

Who the Bucs didn’t draft may determine pass/fail on the Roberto Aguayo pick.

Whether the pick of kicker Roberto Aguayo in the second round works out may not so much be determined by Aguayo himself, but by a defensive end the Bucs did not draft.

That would be Maryland defensive end Yannick Ngakoue. Yes, you read that right.

Back in Indianapolis at the NFL Scouting Combine, Joe spoke with several scouts and front office types from various teams. A name Joe was told to look out for as a sleeper pass rusher was Ngakoue.

Among the NFL employees who told Joe to watch out for Ngakoue was a talent observer employed by a certain team in the NFC South. That would be the Bucs. So Ngakoue surely was on the Tampa Bay radar all the way up the Bucs’ food chain.

Beyond desperate for an edge rusher, the Bucs drafted Eastern Kentucky defensive end Noah Spence in the second round. Smart.

Ngakoue was selected by the Jags on Friday, five spots before the original third round slot in which the Bucs were scheduled to pick. That was traded away for the rights to select Aguayo. So, easily, if the Bucs could have traded up for Aguayo, then they could have traded up to usurp the Jags and grab Ngakoue, probably for a lesser ransom as well.

So if Spence washes out and Ngakoue turns into a quality player, the Bucs easily would have missed out on – at worst – insurance for a Spence hit-and-miss. This was why Joe hoped the Bucs would have drafted two defensive ends. The need is that dire.

Unlike Spence, Ngakoue has zero character concerns, can play just about any position on the line in a pinch, and has proven himself against four offensive tackles drafted in the first two rounds, including Donovan Smith, Jack Conklin, Taylor Decker and Jason Spriggs.

So in Joe’s eyes, the success or failure of the bold move to pick Aguayo is not so much in Aguayo’s hands (or right foot). Rather, it will be if the Bucs missed on an edge rusher who shined against just a little bit better talent the past two seasons than Eastern Kentucky battled (Spence’s last year in the Big Ten was 2013).

91 Responses to “What Easily Could Have Been”

  1. Ray Heinly Says:

    Thinking Aguayo could win several games for us before Ngakoue even starts in the NFL.

  2. Stpetebucsfan Says:

    That’s always the way to look at it. Glass is half empty huh.

    We all agree that ANY draft analsysis before three years is absurd.

    But now we’re not only doing that analysis, some are speaking as if their opinions are fact. But playing the game of what could have been is foolish!!!

    Nobody knows what the Bucs draft board looked like. And so if you carry this logic out to it’s conclusion we should review all the Bucs Draft choices for the past ten years and see every player who was drafted after them. It wouldn’t just be our busts…we have some players who have contributed who when compared against the entire draft were not as good as some players selected beneath them!!!

    What a freaking exercise in futility!!!

  3. HIRE JIMBO Says:

    Would have liked to get another pass rusher, but it just didn’t fall that way. I am almost sure that Licht knew that the Patriots were going to take him at the end of the 2nd. That’s why he traded up to get in front of them. If the Patriots had made this pick in the 2nd it would be a non-story. I’m pretty sure that they know what they are doing and In Licht I Trust.
    Plus if we had gotten MoBo in the 6th every1 would be on Licht d!ck for another grand slam.

  4. Anthony Says:

    Good attempt at trying to stir the pot, joe. You could that same logic for every pick in the draft. Woulda, coulda, shoulda …

  5. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    Could have….could have…….that could be said about any player on the board. What’s done is done…..lets pay some attention to the other picks….or our UDFA class or even our Division’s picks.

  6. JohnnyRed Says:

    So by this logic everybody drafted before Tom Brady in the 6th round that year was a bust?!?!

  7. Chris Says:

    You might as well monitor every player taken in bw Aguayo and our initial pick and write the article about them. I know you need content but cmon.

  8. Gerald McRuud Says:

    The kicker is an immediate upgrade, while even DEs drafted top 10 rarely sniff 5 sacks what do we expect from Yannick in terms of immediate returns?

    The kicker can also be expected to stick here for 10+ years if he performs.

    Good move to immediately improve your team, good move long term. Other than that, wasted pick.

  9. Kalind Says:

    Look, it was a mistake. A bad one. I’m a Nole, and I love love love Aguayo (obv, hello natl championship) but it’s done now. We have one of the best kickers in the league, RIGHT NOW. He’s that good. But it was way too early. What could we have gotten with that fourth? A WR? Another DE? I think they did well (not a fan of the LB from OK) the first 2 picks were fine, the fifth and second 6th were great. Ill hold my thoughts on the safety/corner til pre-season. But…lets hold off a bit. Aguayo is LIKELY to be te most productive second round pick in the draft. Spence and Ogbah included

  10. Cris Hopson Says:

    OMG Really Joe? Your playing the “What If” game!. Now your sounding like a typical fan, you can ask what if for EVERYTHING!! This is pretty sad

  11. Posey99 Says:

    The kicker pick shocked me at first but now that i have thought about it, its a great pick. Especially with the recent NFL rule changes and the other possible changes coming down the line to make the kicking game more interesting. Gone are the days of the ‘gimme’ extra points.

  12. Destinjohnny Says:

    In the deepest d line draft in 10 years and this being the number 1 need
    We draft Noah Spence….
    Carolina with a top 3 d line in the nfl drafts with their first pick in the first round a d tackle
    They also doing worry about Norman leaving becomes their front 7 destroys you

  13. MonsGM Says:

    Don’t the Patriots have Steven Gotskowski? Why would they have drafted Aguyo?

    I wish we didn’t trade up for him but it’s over. Now I am looking forward to having one of the games best kickers for the next 5 to 10 years.

    I didn’t want Hargraves but after thinking about it I think we just drafted someone who could be the best nickel corner in the league. Think about it, his two issues are height and tracking deep balls against bigger receivers. His strengths, smooth hips, great agility and burst, makes plays on the ball. Perfect nickel corner which is virtually a starter in today’s game.

  14. DB55 Says:

    We drafted a kicker in the 2nd rnd?!?!? That better be the best kicker in ncaa history, that’s all I’m saying.

  15. mike Says:

    I agree with you Joe. I would have stood pat and take the kicker if you had to have him but look at more d line help like bullard, hargraves or calhoun.
    The problem with trading up is now we could draft both a safety and wr. We got the db and missed the wr. Pharoh Cooper was sitting there in the 4th and he is going to be a stud. You also have the gator that kc took. He is a 1st round talent who IF he ever grows up will be great. The kicker postion just doesnt warrant a 2nd round choice, even Seabass who has spent 20 yrs w the same team hasn’t been worth it. He has had as many years in the top half as the bottom half. Hell, gramatica was great for 3 or 4 yrs then below average. You never know with kicker and there are plenty out there

  16. rayjay1122 Says:

    What could have been? Well that is about as good a question as how many licks does it take to get to the center of a tootsie roll pop? The world may never know. 🙂

    O-/–< Cant get too caught up in a sleeper.

  17. mike Says:

    db55… he was the best kicker in ncaa in history. He has to be the best in the nfl for the pick to make sence. The 9 of the 10 best kickers last year were undrafted free agents. It really doesnt matter how good he was in college, it matters how good he will be in the pros

  18. Que589 Says:

    Ngakoue is who I wanted Bucs to get!!!! With him and Spence rushing the passer we would be lethal on defense!!! See the World Champs blueprint to success (Miller & Ware coming off the edge)

  19. Matthew Says:

    Ummmm he was the best kicker in the NCAA, he has the records to prove it.

  20. Guzzie Says:

    Can’t wait for the wonderful day where we talk about somethings other than a kicker, time move on, let’s get some love to our new FB the guy has hands like a WR and moves like a slot receiver

  21. Anthony Says:

    Any other position besides kicker would most likely sit the bench for a bit. The kicker will have a chance to make an immediate impact.

  22. rayjay1122 Says:

    @Guzzie very good point. I am really excited to see what Vitale can do as a Pro and I really hope he proves to be a steal. The Kicker talk rages on due to tremendous ignorance as to the value of that position in today’s game.

  23. BigHogHaynes Says:

    I’m so glad LOVIE is not here for this EPIC DEPOCAL

  24. Tampa Tony Says:

    Licht is still laughing at the Joes for wanting him to take Manziel.

    What did Jameis say

    “Lions don’t bother themselves with the opinion of sheep”

  25. Anthony Says:

    PS – I recall losing a handful of games last season because of the kicker. Having a good/bad kicker can easily dictate the outcome of a game. I applaud the selection.

  26. buccfan305 Says:

    @ Mike



    College is over son….welcome to the big league were every one is gunning for your head.

  27. SCBucsFan Says:

    Well, in theory, that will be true for every player drafted after him. Odds are one of those players will be better then Aguayo and people who didn’t like the pick can raise it over. And over. And over as this board tends to do.

  28. passthebuc Says:

    Hindsight is always 20/20

  29. Gerald McRuud Says:

    The kicking game is the only one that isn’t any more difficult as you transition from college to pros. Don’t act like “this is the big time now”. Please. The pressure making a kick in front of a half full RayJay week 4 of the regular season isn’t half what you have in a national championship.

  30. BuccaneerBonzai Says:

    Gotta say, I agree with Stpetebucsfan.

  31. Mike Says:

    The word is the Steelers wanted him, which is why we traded up. Nothing we can do now, but look forward. You can’t fill every hole in 1 draft. I like this draft, sure there were some other players we could have gotten, but they went into it with a plan and got their guys.

  32. BuccaneerBonzai Says:

    Gerald McRuud Says
    “The kicking game is the only one that isn’t any more difficult as you transition from college to pros.”

    That’s not actually true with the new rule changes, buddy.

  33. BUC55 Says:

    Kickers are not like all the other positions. Talent and production is easy to measure and compare. There’s no contact, they just kick! It is very likely that the best kicker in college will be the best kicker in the NFL. Or at the least, one of the best.

    Let me see…..we can have the best kicker in the NFL right now, or we can have a rotational player that has less than a 50% chance to start or even make a significant impact. WOW!! What a hard choice!!!!!

  34. Power Vapor Says:

    We are looking good and on course. There will be a FA addition. We have “camp meat” now. Pretty much injury free, a few on the list but should be ready for camp hopefully Marpet will be 100%. I think we add a veteran FS and slide Conte to SS. We need a General at FS. Add a Wr that still can get open in the slot and get that first down/TD and extend drives. We need a McCardell type WR

  35. Nole on Sat.-Bucc on Sun. Says:

    Destin Johnny I disagree Carolina drafted three cornerbacks they are quite concerned about having lost Norman.

  36. Gerald McRuud Says:

    Yeah, THIS kicker has never missed a FG under 40 yards. So when every XP is 33 yards, THIS kicker has more value than average kicker off the street. Thank you for reinforcing my point.

  37. Gerald McRuud Says:

    And actually, Bonzai, kicking becomes EASIER in the pros because you don’t have to deal with those ridiculously wide hash marks.

    Thanks for adding the conversation, pal.

  38. BuccaneerBonzai Says:

    Just because someone in the organization liked the guy, that doesn’t mean Jason Licht did. He wanted his kicker, and if he would have fallen to them in the third, they probably would have taken him anyway.

    Frankly, I don’t care if Ngakoue becomes a hall of famer.

    Roberto Aguayo determines his own success, Joe. If he isn’t a bust (which any player in the draft can be), and he is as good in the NFL as he was in college (or better), then he was worth the pick.

    If a team believes in a player, they should do what it takes to assure themselves of getting that player, short of trading so many picks it mortgages the teams future.

    “Reaching” is a myth. If Tom Brady had been a first round pick the year he came out, everyone would have thought the Pats were “reaching”. They would have been wrong.

  39. BuccaneerBonzai Says:

    @Gerald McRuud

    Do you always react in such a way when someone does not agree with you? Even though they did it in a respectful way (unlike you)?

  40. Buccfan37 Says:

    I was thinking where were your thoughts on the Aguayo pick Joe. I detect some second thoughts on the selection at that spot just like many others.

  41. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    I think most are more upset with the trading up than would be if we waited and picked him up with our 3rd round pick.

    Obviously, Licrht didn’t think he could wait.

    Patriots, Saints, Panthers, Broncos, Titans, Browns, Chargers, Cowboys, 49rs, Jaguars, Ravens, Giants, Bears, Dolphins

    You can eliminate at least the last 6 teams because we moved way ahead of them….and it’s difficult to know if Licht had trouble finding a trading partner.

    The Saints were possible with Forbath kicking @ 69%

    We may never know but someone scared Licht and he wanted Aguayo and had the extra pick to get him.

  42. Gerald McRuud Says:

    You seem to be confusing facts that fly in the face of your opinion with disrespect. No disrespect. All facts.

  43. Matthew Says:

    buccfan305 & Mike; ummmm who says he has to be the best Kicker in the league to be worth it; that’s a nonsense made up claim. If he’s top 3 or top 5 that is a MASSIVE upgrade for this team. He wasn’t our 1st pick, he wasn’t our 2nd pick, he was our 3rd pick; so if he is able to become a top 5 guy at his position and you got him with your 3rd pick that’s a success. Go look at all three QBs drafted in the first round, not a single one is a ‘sure thing’, so much so our 3rd drafted player will likely score MORE POINTS than any 3 of those QBs in the coming years. I’d say that’s a pretty significant upgrade. Licht and Co. have more information at their disposal than anyone on these boards, including Joe, and they’ve earned some cache from their previous draft. How about we hold off on all these “hot-takes” about it being a waste; until we actually see how the team/kid plays over the next 2 or 3 years.

  44. Power Vapor Says:

    Put it this way, if our Bucs were a race car we lost 2-3 races by running out of gas /flat tire on last lap. 2-3 races out of 16! because of “stupid idiot kicker/ie flat tire”. Now we have better gas management/all 4 tires are better so no blow out/missed game winning FGs. Our race car is better. Let’s be positive and THANK THE LORD WE HAVE JAMEIS as our race car driver!

  45. Dreambig Says:

    Well said Buc55

    I think all the talk on this sight on our “dire need” for defensive ends is just like last years panic for o-line. We finished in the middle of the pack for sacks last year, since then we have added a great d-line coach, a better defensive coaching staff, and a few more players. I suspect our d-line will be just fine!

  46. BuccaneerBonzai Says:

    Spilt milk.

    You guys are focused on the wrong thing. Instead of complaining on Licht upgrading a 3rd to a 2nd with the extra 4th he didn’t have before the draft started, you should be focused on the overall results of this draft.

    Within a year, 4-5 of these guys will be starting. That is amazing. Licht landed 3 Day 1 starters with his first three picks. That is amazing.

    Just like last year.

    I’ve been bashing Jason Licht for a long time now…but I’m sold on him where the draft is concerned.

    You guys should be cheering. Instead, you are focused on the small negative aspect…which will probably end up NOT being a negative when we look back in 3 years.

    Jason Licht’s job is to make the team better. He did. And not just on defense, like we expected. He quietly filled 2 or three spots on offense too (FB and RT). Really, he also landed a great TE…since the FB is a hybrid of FB, HB and TE.

    THAT is amazing.

    The Bucs will compete this year. That is amazing. By next year, we will be a true contender for a championship, if not sooner.

    Come on, people. Get your heads out of the dirt and see the light. It’s finally shining on our Bucs!

  47. buccfan305 Says:

    @ Bonzai

    You have a great point about the Tom brady thing, but you are also comparing apples to oranges….The QB scores TD’s….and I’m sure most all teams hope that their kicker never sees the field except for kickoffs and extra points. The goal is to not have the game come down to the kicker. Does it happen yes, but the goal is to not get put in those situations. In a nut shell the draft is over and we all have to hope that this kid is a pro bowler . And at the end of the day…I’m Riding till I die no matter what

    Go Bucs!!@

  48. BuccaneerBonzai Says:


    Well said.

    I think this draft may turn out the have only bust QBs taken in the first round. I don’t know if that has ever been done.

  49. Tiny Tim Says:

    So now we are worried about sleeper picks? I remember this site worried because we picked evans over manziel too. For goodness sake give it a rest please.

  50. BuccaneerBonzai Says:


    The goal isn’t to not use a kicker. If you don’t use him, that means you never score TDs…because we would never be kicking off or starting a game.

    But I understand your point.

    The only thing is, as you said, field goals happen. Just like with a car, repairs happen. My goal in taking care of it is that it never need repairs. But it happens. So I get roadside service.

    My point is this…no matter how little you may wish to use a kicker, he still scores more points than any other player in the team over the years (if he is any good). The goal is to win, not score TDs. Winning requires points…gotten in any way possible.

  51. Supersam Says:

    You could make the same argument for every pick the Bucs have ever made. We missed on Rodgers, Peterson, etc… Why torture yourself with what ifs lol.

  52. BuccaneerBonzai Says:

    As I watched this draft, I got a strong sense of a changing of the guard.

    This era has been dominated by the Patriots, Colts, Broncos, Giants, etc.

    But most of the dominant teams are ending their era. The Seahawks were the first of the new era.

    The Panthers are part of the new era.

    The Jags, who have been a joke of a team for the last ten years, are quickly building a team that will dominate.

    The Buccaneers, who have been a joke of a team for the last ten years, are quickly building a team that will dominate.

    While other teams are struggling, we are witnessing a rebirth.

    As has always been said, good drafting builds superior teams. While every GM has his weak spots, Jason Licht has confirmed his strength is young talent evaluation…involving the draft and young free agents. He may absolutely suck at veteran evaluation, but he nails it on the youth.

    And that’s the most important thing.

    Three drafts in a row have been top-notch. THREE. That is how you build a dynasty, people. Soak it in.

  53. Pete Says:

    Lesson from this draft:
    How very differently the staff at One Buc views the Buc’s roster.
    They are ok with their D line depth.
    I expected (hoped for) 3 or 4 drafted Defensive linemen.
    They are unhappy with their corners.
    I thought the inadequacy of the D backfield was coaching – not personnel.
    I expected (hoped for) 1 late round developmental CB

    Surprise expressed – I’m hoping and cheering for a great 2016 and future for the Bucs!

  54. feelthepewterpower Says:

    You draft for BPA…first..need second…and if there is a ton of overlap that pick becomes a lock…..that’s why the adage of “you can never have enough of” rings true (which is why the Buccs went corner in the first)…..but with the best kicker in class..the pick filled BPA and blended in need.

  55. Lurch Says:

    This is why I am so glad that Joe makes his living behind a keyboard and not as the GM of the Bucs. I still remember how pissed off Joe and just about every loud mouth on the radio two years ago were when we didn’t take Johnny football! That dude isn’t even in the league now. At least this kicker will have an immediate impact to our team. Get over it!

  56. Supersam Says:

    And I’m not sure he would have been any better than Jack Smith is at this point, there identical in size.

  57. Supersam Says:

    Only Jack is more explosive

  58. Gerald McRuud Says:

    Look at it this way.

    From 1999-2011, over the course of a dozen drafts, with picks in round 2-7 in most of those drafts, this franchise drafted ONE pro bowler with roughly 50 draft choices. This guy was one of the two or three most important pieces of our offense his rookie year, ’99, and a key part of a championship in 2002.

    Guess what? It was the kicker we drafted in round 3. Probably drafted him too high, but he did more for us than the QB we drafted in round 2 (or the DT we drafted in round 1) that year.

  59. mike Says:

    @matthew…. If our new kicker is top 5, that means he would hit 92% of his fg’s. Vinateri, pratter and the pats kicker were tied for 4th in fg%. Barth was down near 25th at 82% If barth would have hit 2 more fgs, that would have put him tied at 5 in the 90% range. Thats 6 more points over the course of a season. Thats not a massive upgrade. Costing a 3rd and 4th round pick is a massive price… he better be incredible. There is a reason kickers don’t get drafted. The Gator kicker a few years ago was one of the best ncaa kickers ever. He went to phily and he’s not great. We will see.
    Buc55… the best kicker in college often fail in the pros. Go take a look.
    Mike Nuggent, Just medlock, gramatica Henery all came is as the best and all were average or below. Our new punter came was drafted by the Jags as the best punter ever and he was cut so we signed him.

  60. buccfan305 Says:

    Damn I can’t wait for the season to start!!!! Then we can end all speculation.

    Go Bucs !!!

  61. Fsuking Says:

    Don’t get too hung up on this guy. He’s a poor man Noah Spence and you can’t have them on the field at the same time. Plus we got Jack Smith who plays the run much, much better and does pretty much the same things, just better.

  62. Fsuking Says:

    I wish Shawn Oakman was a more reliable guy both on and off the field. He has every single trait I want in a developmental DE. He might never see an NFL practice field now.

  63. CalBucsFan Says:

    “Unlike Spence, Ngakoue has zero character concerns”…Come on Joe, please don’t be like one of those brainless talking heads at BSPN that don’t have a whole lot to say so they keep bringing up the dirt from the past. When you were younger and less mature, did you never do anything you would never do today?

    Someone once said: “When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put the ways of childhood behind me.” (I Col 13:11)

    Once Licht and his staff put the magnifying glass on every aspect of this kid’s life and believed in him, so do I. Spence has owned up to his mistakes that no doubt caused him $$M’s, worked hard to overcome and has proven himself worthy of a second chance, he’s become a man. Please, rise above the BSPN mentality, it’s a new day for Spence, and for the Bucs.

  64. Nole on Sat.-Bucc on Sun. Says:

    I like you Matthew,you have a high level since and inteligence contained in that mind of yours. Bonzai you the man bro.

  65. BigMacAttack Says:

    The draft is over and time to move on. Either get on board or GTFO.
    Go Bucs!!!

  66. briandorry55 Says:

    I don’t think 250 pound guys like Ngakoue or Spence can “play any position on the line in a pinch”…I guess Aguayo could play DT too if you were dumb enough to put him there. Spence’s tape is way better than Ngakoue.

  67. Phil Says:

    Maybe the Jags will put him on their practice squad and we can steal him.

  68. Defense Rules Says:

    @BuccaneerBonsai … “You guys are focused on the wrong thing. Instead of complaining on Licht upgrading a 3rd to a 2nd with the extra 4th he didn’t have before the draft started, you should be focused on the overall results of this draft.”

    Agree 100% Bonsai … stay focused on the overall results of the draft. We filled a CB need. We filled a DE need. We even filled a FB need. Wouldn’t call kicker a dire need, but if this kid’s anywhere near as good in the pro’s as he was in college then he’ll pay big dividends over the years. Adding depth at OT is fine far as I’m concerned.

    The only pick that really puzzles me is the second CB we drafted. I know folks are saying we can use him at Safety, but I just can’t see that, probably because my prototype Safety is still John Lynch … 6’2″ and 220 lbs. Ryan Smith is shorter and weighs 30 lbs less. Nope, still can’t see him at safety. Several DLinemen I’d much rather have seen us draft who were still there in the 4th round (Billings, Ridgeway, Henry) or safeties (Killebrew). But hey, Smith may turn out to be another Ronde Barber, who knows.

  69. mike Says:

    He’s the best kicker in ncaa history, who made 80% of his fg’s last year… YIKES! That puts him tied for 35Th in ncaa football last year. Now he was the greatest extra point kicker of all time!!! WOOO HOOO, but the don’t kick from inside the 10 yard line anymore in the pros.

  70. Joe Says:

    Look, it was a mistake. A bad one.

    No way you can say that now.

  71. Nole on Sat.-Bucc on Sun. Says:

    Defense rules the thing about it is the John Lynch style safety is a thing of the past. The NFL not allowing thumpers anymore Ryan Smith and that speed will enable him to cover so much field I think that’s the future of the saftey position. I know Cam Chancelor brings it but not many other head busa’s around the league.

  72. Stanglassman Says:

    If doing Molly in college and breaking a beer bottle trying to throw it in the trash when you’re drunk is a “Character concern” I guess a lot of us have character concerns.

    Absolutely. But few of us were asked to peform at the top of our profession at 23 years old following a massive corporate investment in us. –Joe

  73. BucFan20 Says:

    Sorry. You don’t get to lie about Joe here. Do that in your own house.–Joe

  74. LUVMYBUCS Says:

    4 Solid Prospects were on the board
    • 29(60) Patriots Jones, Cyrus CB 5’10” 197 Alabama
    • 30(61) Saints Bell, Vonn FS 5’11” 199 Ohio St.
    • 2(65) Browns Nassib, Carl DE 6’7″ 277 Penn St.
    • 6(69) Jaguars Ngakoue, Yannick DE 6’2″ 252 Maryland

  75. LUVMYBUCS Says:

    Damn – Braxton Miller too

    Mike Evans
    Vincent Jackson
    Braxton Miller

    Like Biggie said ” It was all dream”

  76. Brent bull/buc Says:

    I agree on the missed de but there were also missed safeties like Von bell, dt like a jarron reed, wr like Boyd and cooper. Every one of those positions is more valuable than a kicker and harder to find. There’s a reason everybody outside of homer buc fan is ragging this pick.

  77. Floridaboybill Says:

    So basically the jags going to the super bowl soon

  78. Brent bull/buc Says:

    Hey everybody, grab your Pom poms and agree with everything the organization does. Don’t have an opinion. Ridiculous. What a loser fan base we’d be if everybody thought that way. The team belongs to the fans. Coaches players gm come and go and are paid for by fans. Their our servants.

  79. Guzzie Says:

    If we had traded up and drafted Braxton Miller the experts would’ve said we won the draft….we shall see….the only thing that worries me is he was 50% beyond 40 yards, Roberto will be looking for a job if that doesn’t improve, but I also wanted Mariotta, so there’s that

  80. puzzledbuc Says:

    @Kalind “Look, it was a mistake. A bad one” then…

    “Aguayo is LIKELY to be te most productive second round pick in the draft. Spence and Ogbah included” ??? Contradiction baby!!! (in best Vitales voice)

  81. Trubucfan22 Says:

    Not sure which article is worse. This one. Or the one about intentionally losing games if Jameis get injured.

    This one might be second behind shaving points to get better draft picks.

    Come on Joe, you can better than this.

  82. Trubucfan22 Says:

    I am kinda weirded out that Aguayo has a poor long distance fg percentage. Im not a seminole fan so i don’t watch the games. From the fans reactions it sounds like he has a powerful leg. Why is he missing so often on the long distance kicks? Inwas looking at kicker stats from last season and the top kickers are going 5 of 6 from 50+. Aguayo’s average at that distance is not very good.

    Can someone please tell me why he is missing those kicks.

    Fwiw i love that we picked one of the beat kickers to ever come out of college. im just windering if the stats and his actual performance are misrepresented.

  83. Stanglassman Says:


    Look at his 50+ stats the 1st 2 years @ FSU they’re pretty good so i’d imagine that he wasn’t fully healthy the 2nd half of the season. It’s probably why FSU choose to do more ‘mortar’ kickoffs the 2nd half of the year too.

  84. Eric Says:

    Some of you homers really make me laugh. How you can rationalize a foolish move is quite a talent. Taking a kicker in the second round is plain stupid. The whole logic of us giving up a free pick is ridiculous, no pick is free. Kwon Alexander was a fourth round pick for those who weren’t aware. To dismiss that fourth as free is ignorant. Would you rather have a kicker or Kwon? Would you rather have a kicker or Ali Marpet? How about Donavan Smith? Now to the crowd who is riding the best kicker in college excuse, guess how many Superbowls Janikowski has made a difference in, how many Jason Hanson or the most recent highly drafted and also a second round pick, kicker Mike Nugent? The answer is none.
    Best in college means nothing in the NFL. If you dont believe me then research the top 5 college qb’s in history. At the top of the list is the great Tim Tebow followed by:
    Matt Leinart
    Tommie Frazier
    Charlie Ward
    Danny Wuerffel.
    ALL BUSTS!!!
    I know that Qb is a different position but it applies to all positions. I firmly believe that some of you posters work for the Buc’s and your job is to come on sites like this one and put a positive spin on the team. The reason I believe this is that there can’t be that many Buc’s fans that are so out of touch with reality. Every single fan I have spoken to since the draft hated the pick so how is it that so many here embrace it with a smile. Can’t wait to hear the counter arguments…

  85. Brent bull/buc Says:

    Well you have a lot of dunces for Bucs fans that’s how they like the pick. Every analyst I’ve read who gets paid to talk draft thinks it was an awful pick. Even if he were a pro bowler he was a bad pick. Why you can gets good kicker later 1 and 2 they don’t have the value to be drafted that high. It doesn’t matter at this point what’s done is done. I hope he’s a top 5 kicker to salvage something.

  86. Trubucfan22 Says:

    Brent, you keep saying that, yet i’ve seen numerous “analyst” love the pick. Opinions are like asshles. Everyone has one.

  87. BUC IT Says:

    Exactly Joe… What did we potentially miss? This has got to be the stupidest draft decision in my 25+ years of being a Buc fan. Just so disappointed and was thrilled how we did with the first 2 picks. What a shame.

  88. BUC IT Says:

    TruBucfan22…. Please name the NUMEROUS analysts who love the pick. I smell BS. Herm Edwards didn’t say he loved the pick but he did stick up for it. But he is the guy who drafted Nugent. Coincidentally he is also no longer coaching. But please enlighten us on the NUMEROUS analysts.

  89. BUC IT Says:

    Show me any great organization who has drafted a kicker like this. What a joke!

  90. godzilla13 Says:

    Noah Spence over Ngakoue all day long. Robert Aguayo was possibly the best pick in this draft. Once in a generation kicker. I too was on the “worst pick in draft history” bandwagon until I took a step back and did some homework. I thought because Aguayo went 5 -for-10 from 40 or more yards out last year that we drafted another average kicker from 40 yards out, who did not have the leg strength to hit the long +53 yard FG for the win. He is actually 5-7 (71.4%) from 50+ yards out at FSU *(ESPN stats say 5 for 8 for 50+ which is incorrect). Aguayo only attempted 6 FG over 50 yards while in college. His longest field goal in practice was 63 yards and in a kick-off competition in 2010 he won it with a 74-yard kick that had a 4.04-second hang time. Its the new NFL and the extra point is no longer a give me, except for us. New kick-off rule kicks off from your own 35 and the kick-off team has no running start. Still those players are able to get down there faster and with Aguayo’s hang time and accuracy it will have an adverse effect on the opponents field position. Aguayo is going to win us games in more ways than you think. Licht new another team was going to draft him ahead of us and that is why it cost the extra 4th round pick. By this time next year no one will be talking about the picks, only what a kicker we have and how Licht is a genius. The only thing I would have done different is draft Andrew Billings or Hassan Ridgeway in the 4th.

  91. Bob in Valrico Says:

    @ bonsai
    as one who doesn’t always agree with you, you have filled this thread with many good points today.hats off ya.