Could Bucs Go With A Cane?
April 6th, 2016
Is Miami CB Artie Burns worthy of a high first round pick?
As Joe has stated previously, with Tampa Bay picking at No. 9, Joe looks to the Bucs selecting quite possibly the third-best player at his position in the draft.
At No. 9, whatever position the Bucs turn to, defensive end or corner, it is very possible that the best two players at either position will be gone. That is why Joe is inclined to look at the third-best player for a possible target.
A lot of folks are convinced the Bucs will select cornerback Vernon Hargreaves at No. 9. Well, if you believe the Bucs will go corner, and if one values the insight of Mike Mayock of NFL Network, the third-best corner is from Florida. But he’s not a Gator.
The third-best corner in the draft, per Mayock, is Artie Burns of Miami. (He ranks Hargreaves No. 2.) Here is how Burns is described by NFL.com:
While his tape is average and technique can be nonexistent at times, NFL teams often draft on traits at the cornerback spot and assume that coaching will take care of the rest. Burns has length, speed, ball skills and abundant potential. Keep in mind he was limited in his growth at the position thanks to a spring track schedule, but he is still in the infant stages of reaching his pro potential.
This scares the hell out of Joe and smells an awful lot like Myron Lewis. The only reason Lewis hung around as long as he did was that shot-callers with the Bucs loved his speed and athletism. Yet, they ignored his production, which Joe guesses was easy to do since he had no production.
If someone starts reaching for a guy based on what he may be able to do as opposed to what he can do, well, that’s a good way to find yourself filing for unemployment benefits.
April 6th, 2016 at 4:30 pm
The tape doesn’t lie
I’m not a GM, but if I were the #1 trait I’d be looking for would be “how many times did I hear this guys name during games.”
Not 40 time, size, speed, length….show me a guy that makes plays.
April 6th, 2016 at 4:34 pm
He might be there when they pick in the second round. Theyd be crazy to take him at 9
April 6th, 2016 at 4:46 pm
We have had 15-20 players or more mocked to us at #9……seems logical to me that, if we can, we should trade down.
At # 9 we are likely to have the best player at about 10 different positions available……
Perhaps a top WR, Oline, LB, S will be there.
April 6th, 2016 at 5:04 pm
I agree with joe…im not saying the kid will be Myron Lewis but he scares the hell out of me…GO BUCS!!!
April 6th, 2016 at 5:11 pm
I don’t know fellow Buc Fans. The more I see these mocks and everybody has us picking..God knows who..If we get the chance? I say trade down. and get 2 for 1. We might not be able to. But if the opportunity presents itself..I just hope we do it.
April 6th, 2016 at 5:23 pm
No please!
April 6th, 2016 at 5:37 pm
Why on earth would you be content to pick the 3rd best player at any position with a top 10 pick? There’s two elite players in this draft, Ramsey and Tunsil, that’s it. Take your highest rated player that makes sense for your team.
April 6th, 2016 at 5:38 pm
@Mayock … “While his tape is average and technique can be nonexistent at times, … but he is still in the infant stages of reaching his pro potential.”
Average tape? Non-existent technique? Infant stages? What’s not to love about the guy? Certainly worthy of the Bucs using their precious 1st round pick. Not.
April 6th, 2016 at 5:40 pm
MJ….. That’s why trafeing MG and #9 for the Jets 2nd round pick and Wilkerson WILL HAPPEN!!!!
April 6th, 2016 at 5:47 pm
To quote John McEnroe:
YOU CANNOT BE SERIOUS!!!!!
April 6th, 2016 at 5:51 pm
Do you seriously think the bucs can afford to pay mo wilks 15 million a year yeah they have money but that would put us in cap hell really fast
April 6th, 2016 at 5:52 pm
I sure as hell hope not.
CB is all technique over physical attributes.
Chris Harris Jr has all the same measurable as VH3.
Darrel Revis is not tall or lengthy he just knows exactly what he can get away with as a smart instinctive player. Norwood ran a slow 40 but knows how to use his size.
There is absolutely no good corners in the NFL that just get by on athleticism.
April 6th, 2016 at 5:54 pm
TE my sentiments exactly. Well somebody finally suggested something so stupid it got a rise out of all.
April 6th, 2016 at 5:54 pm
Also trade down has been my choice since the season ended almost. There are teams between 10-20 all needing OT or QB. Our best bet is Ronnie Stanley still being available as bait for trade along with Paxton Lynch or ideally Lynch and Goff or Wentz
April 6th, 2016 at 6:08 pm
The pro day today by Lynch really helped the Bucs today! Sounds like it was enough to move him up into the top ten. If anyone wants to jump the Rams our pick is an attractive option. Either that or the Rams can move up to get him. Or three QB’s will be off the board by our pick. That would leave a ton of good picks. Our best case is that he is available at 9 and Licht has an auction.
April 6th, 2016 at 6:28 pm
He could fall in the draft…drastically. Maybe to the 3rd or 4th rounds.
April 6th, 2016 at 6:29 pm
@Lord
We’re one of the teams in need of an OT.
April 6th, 2016 at 6:29 pm
Just curious…anyone remember the last time the Bucs traded DOWN in the first round?
April 6th, 2016 at 6:42 pm
^^ 2012… Went from 5 to 7 and picked Barron.
April 6th, 2016 at 6:46 pm
The fact that your looking at the third best de or 3rd best cb. Id rather have the 9th best player or in reality 4th or 5th best since not every team drafts bpa. Thats what this team will do under licht. Whoever they take I believe the man knows what he is doing
April 6th, 2016 at 7:06 pm
No.
April 6th, 2016 at 7:34 pm
If Bosa is available to us at #9, then he’s our no-brainer pick. We are kicking ourselves for 10 years if we were to pass on Bosa and he was available. With that said, he’s unlikely to be there but I just get this weird feeling that it could happen. No way in the world would we draft this guy. It’s either V Har or no CB in the 1st rd.
April 6th, 2016 at 7:35 pm
“No way in the world would we draft this guy”. I mean Artie Burns when I say this guy.
April 6th, 2016 at 7:45 pm
Lol i see no reason why we should draft artie burns in the first. No reason at all.
April 6th, 2016 at 7:48 pm
Not at 9. Mo way.
No projects or question marks until the later rounds,
April 6th, 2016 at 8:03 pm
Sam Shields, Miami Hurricanes, was an handcrafted Free Agent. Richard Sherman not a first rounder, nor was Darell Revis, etc etc. The list of top corners is filled with players not drafted in the first and second rounds. Point is, the pre draft evaluations of C.B.’s isn’t science as much art. But fans need not proceed to the top of the skyway if the Bucs don’t select a corner in the first few rounds. Still worried, Brent Grimes, multi time pro bowler was undetected in the draft.
April 6th, 2016 at 8:10 pm
This would be an epic fail of a pick, if we took him at #9. He is a 2nd round talent. Anytime the first line of a guys report says, “while his tape is average and technique can be nonexistent at times”. Average tape equals an average player.
If we want to reach and take the 3rd BPA at a position. I would go with Ogbah, who I believe is a better player than Buckner and Bosa. But please God, do not draft Artie at #9.
April 6th, 2016 at 8:11 pm
Duke
Revis was drafted at #18 I think in the 1st round. Come on bro
April 6th, 2016 at 8:32 pm
mayock has zero credibility with me
April 6th, 2016 at 8:55 pm
I agree grafik
He used to be the best in the business. Now I think he is like ESPN. Just says whatever makes the biggest story. I used to love the guy. Now I don’t even look at his stuff. This is the perfect example. He has this kid ranked above Mackenzie Alexander. Hell even Eli Apple is probably better IMO. Also, Fuller out of Virginia Tech is too. Just crazy. But, it gets people talking just like this. Unfortunately that’s all he cares about now, I believe.
April 6th, 2016 at 9:13 pm
????
He’s a second rounder
Why mention him at #9?
April 6th, 2016 at 9:47 pm
PASS.
April 6th, 2016 at 10:23 pm
Watch out when Joe starts applying his backwards-ass logic to drafting. So according to one person, Burns is the 3rd best corner… And if we were willing to look at the 3rd best DE at #9, then why not the 3rd best CB? So Joe’s logic goes. This is phukking moronic. Joe just pulls stupid sh!t out of his a55. Even if Burns is the 3rd best CB, that doesn’t say anything. I don’t see great strength at that position this year. Maybe he’s a late 1st / early 2nd rounder due to his measurables. When it comes to the draft, Pewter Report is a much better source.
April 6th, 2016 at 10:49 pm
Fyi. Past cornerbacks drafted by Bucs below:
2013 Rd2 #43 Johnathan Banks
2012 Rd6 #174 Keith Tandy
2010 Rd3 #67 Myron Lewis
2009 Rd7 #217 E.J. Biggers
2008 Rd1 #20 Aquib Talib
Is Artic better than EJ?
April 6th, 2016 at 10:51 pm
salish_seamonster Says
“^^ 2012… Went from 5 to 7 and picked Barron.”
Yup! Worked out so well. So glad we didn’t stay pat and take that Luke guy.
April 7th, 2016 at 12:18 am
^^ That doesn’t say anything about trading down.
April 7th, 2016 at 6:58 am
Hahah! Burns isn’t even a rd2 guy!!! Fuller Jackson and Alexander are the next 3 best Cbs. Come on Mayock….good lord.
April 7th, 2016 at 7:13 am
I think he will be a good corner but a bit of a reach at nine just based on potential. The guy has freaky athletic ability and some of his INT”s were sick! I can see why scouts are falling in love with this guy but your safer bet is VH3 if u wanna go corner.
April 7th, 2016 at 7:52 am
I’m obviously the only Cane fan here, watched almost every game, Burns at #9, naw can’t see it, 2nd maybe if we got our DE in the first, 3rd definitely, why, Canes year after year produce talent, unfortunately the last 6-7 years, terrible coaching down south. This guy can play and will excel at the next level. There are Canes all around this league that have out performed their college careers, Sam Shields, Lamar Miller, Olivier Vernon, Allen Hurns. Besides when is the last time we had a winning record, it was when we had a Cane on the team, Kellen Winslow II. Go get him Mr. Licht, the Bucs were at their pro day, why, because those guys are athletes and can play, with the right coaching.
April 7th, 2016 at 11:11 am
Everyone talks about how this player is a reach and that player is a reach. If my memory serves me right wasn’t Donovan Smith a “reach” last year? He was being projected as a late second early third round pick. After the pick I never heard a whole lot of negative feedback about picking him that high. Why? Probably because other teams had him on their radar too. My point is, so what if a player is a “reach”, if you pass and wait on him there is a good chance they will be gone be the next round. So pick the player you like. Nobody is mocking Artie Burns in the top ten let alone the first round. Hargreaves, Jackson, Apple, Alexander and Fuller are all better prospects IMO. I would draft CB Xavien Howard in the second round of we went after a CB. The concern is that we have other priorities over CB. Defensive line, Safety and WR. I was reading yesterday about how many games Clinton McDonald has missed in two years with us? 13 games. Gerold McCoy has had one injury free year since we drafted him. We need talent on our defensive interior as well as DE. Mike Smith wants large mammoth big men in the middle.
1) Chris Jones (6-6 310) Mississippi St – More mock drafts are starting to show us taking Jones. He has elite size and strength. Explosive burst. Posted 34 quarterback pressures and 11.5 run stuffs. Hayes will coach him up & get his pad level down, and his knees bent. Then watch this kid dominate.
2) SS Vonn Bell (5-11 200) Ohio St – Ball skills with 9 INT. Instant upgrade.
3) WR Pharoh Cooper(5-11 208) South Carolina – Speed in the slot.
4) DT Vincent Valentine (6-4 329) Nebraska – Whole lotta love.
5) DE Matt Judon (6-3 275) Grand Valley State
April 7th, 2016 at 12:56 pm
^^ A player is a reach if it’s a need pick at a slot where the player has no business being picked. Ultimate reach of all time was Dexter Jackson in the 2nd round by GrudAllen.
It’s not a reach if the organization believes they got good value and the player lives up to the draft position.