Loud Voice Urges Glennon Trade
March 19th, 2016
The four-letter advocates a trade.
The drumbeat of folks begging Bucs AC/DC-loving general manager Jason Licht to get a lofty pick from a desperate team for backup quarterback Mike Glennon is getting louder.
Add BSPN to the list.
In a video atop BSPN’s NFL page (at least Friday night it was), an unnamed voice said that if a team in quarterback purgatory is smart, they would swing a trade with Licht and the Bucs for Glennon.
Also, the unnamed voice said the draft pick could certainly be used for the woeful Bucs defense. Joe is of the mind we could all agree with that.
Look, Joe has been banging this drum damn near since the day America’s Quarterback, Pro Bowler Jameis Winston, was drafted. This concept is not a knock against Glennon at all, but a positive for the Bucs.
It just does not make any sense for a team with all sorts of holes, a team that has had one winning season since Chucky was jettisoned, to hold onto Glennon when he could fetch a decent pick, and in turn the team could plug a hole.
It’s one thing to trade a productive starter. It’s another to trade a guy you hope never, ever sees the field. Besides, Glennon will be gone in a year anyway. Why not take advantage now of a team that is begging for quarterback help and bolster your roster next month?
March 19th, 2016 at 10:23 am
8 is irrelevant to bucs success and future they might as well get something for him. 8 just does not matter.
Jaboo Wins
March 19th, 2016 at 10:26 am
Ideal situation would be a team losing their starting QB in preseason……need desperation to get a decent price for Glennon….
March 19th, 2016 at 10:27 am
Sigh…. Yeah, the unnamed voice did not validate your reasoning of meaningless games not did it Sloppy Joes???
While its a good point to trade him (IF POSSIBLE). Maybe you keep him BECAUSE you have reason to believe you will be contending….
Regardless, I believe MG8 value is much higher as a backup then most…. So a trade for the sake of a trade ain’t gonna happen….
I am leaning towards a rare NFL Trade player for player straight up…. They get a potential starter and we get a potential starter (plus a later round pick)
March 19th, 2016 at 10:37 am
The only question is will the Glennon fans become buc fans again after Mr irrelevant is traded.
March 19th, 2016 at 10:42 am
Last years defense was woeful,this one won’t be.
March 19th, 2016 at 10:47 am
How about Glennon for Ryan Clady straight up?
March 19th, 2016 at 10:48 am
Trading 8 sounds great, but only if you have a functional back up. Ryan Griffin is still on the roster so it probably comes down to haw much confidence DK has in him.
Trade if Bucs can get a 3rd or better because experts think we will get a comp pick at end of rd 3 anyways next year. Thus, Bucs, get a free year of that pick one year early.
In fairness to 8, gives him a chance to play somewhere else.
Good for Bucs and 8.
March 19th, 2016 at 11:04 am
I really can’t think of a team that will make that trade.
The Jets are really the only team right now that doesn’t have a starter, but I’m guessing they’ll come to some kind of agreement with Ryan Fitzpatrick. Denver could possibly still be in the market for competition for Mark Sanchez, but certainly not giving up anything more than a 5th or 6th round pick if we’re lucky.
It’s just not going to happen. He’s a good backup, and the way Jameis likes to but his body on the line, we may end up needing him sooner rather than later.
March 19th, 2016 at 11:08 am
Lovie called Glennon “the Cannon”. Licht needs to do a flattering video of Glennon’s best plays and put them on You Tube and just start a bidding war for his services.
March 19th, 2016 at 11:10 am
I hope Mr. Glennon gets the chance to stay. If for nothing else than for him to have the same offensive system two years in a row. Be great to continue to have an experienced NFL QB backing up our starter. Someone who our head coach has said he is very comfortable working with. Trade him, late 2nd or 3rd round and you get a 40-50% chance of getting a player who contributes to a high level for your team. Do we not now have such a player who can make positive contributions when asked to or the need arises for this team?
Yeah, and we all know if Mr. Winston has any hitch in this next season we would rather just walk out who ever we have as our back up QB, and dial back on the win now mantra. Expectations?, There is always next season right?
“The only thing that matters is wins!” How you go about it better be direct, because you do not get much chance to plan long term in today’s NFL.
I am very excited to see how our whole offenses does in year two of Mr. Kotters offense and first year defense. Should be exciting!
Go Bucs!
March 19th, 2016 at 11:11 am
Glennon plus a draft pick for Muhammad Wilkerson would be something that I would be interested in.
March 19th, 2016 at 11:11 am
^________ lol put some porn music on to smooze em over
March 19th, 2016 at 11:12 am
Glennon is big. Glennon is durable. He has shown good decision making and a big arm. I say we can get a second rounder for him
March 19th, 2016 at 11:14 am
Ryan Clady would be EXACTLY what I am talking about… Very nice match for both teams needs if indeed Denver was will to part with him….
Kinda reminds me of the traded for Mankins…. Except instead of a backup TE you deal a backup QB…. And who knows maybe he comes back the very next year despite having a quality season like TIMMMMMMAY WRITE did…. (I wish we could of kept him he was a player of mine at the time)
March 19th, 2016 at 11:18 am
The Bucs will not trade Glennon unless there is an offer to hard to refuse like a 2nd rounder and another player. That’s not happening this year.
March 19th, 2016 at 11:19 am
Sorry for all the typos… The phone makes it challenging…
March 19th, 2016 at 11:21 am
“The only question is will the Glennon fans become buc fans again after Mr irrelevant is traded.”
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Does it make me any less a Buc fan, because I am a Buc fan of our 2013 3rd round QB Mr. Glennon? This makes me a Glennon fan. Am I less of a Buc fan because I now like both of our Qb’s Mr. Winston, Mr. Glennon? How dare me right? Supporting Our own buc drafted players. The shame in it… Mr irrelevant indeed.
March 19th, 2016 at 11:27 am
And the Johnson of Mike knows best…. Do us all a favor Mikes John… Stay a Troll or Fan Of Depression if you want…. But for the love of Pete….(or Lovie?) Stop trying to make such statements as if your trying to start a fight… Be a Fan of Inspiration and state your reasoning for such statements in a constructive way….
The guys on team (that play and coach) are not the only ones needing to overcome a losers mentality!!!! Don’t forget we are the 12th man and very much a part of the team!!!
March 19th, 2016 at 11:31 am
THAT GOES FOR ALL YOU MULEIES
March 19th, 2016 at 11:34 am
@Joe
Why don’t you ask Head Coach Koetter at the offseason meeting, Of what MG8 means to the Qb meeting room!!! How he pushes JW3 during the week!!! Or do you not want to hear answers that you already know and don’t like!!!!!!!!!!
March 19th, 2016 at 11:40 am
RustyRhinos
What’s best for the team is to trade Glennon and get a pick… not hang onto a player that will walk next year. Bucs will not be getting a 3rd Rd compensatory pick like some suggest. The formula is weighted and includes playing time and play off honors which Glennon does not and will not have. I hope he goes somewhere and succeeds that being said the Glennon fans are for the most part delusional when it comes to his value and potential.
March 19th, 2016 at 12:19 pm
Trading him to move up in the draft would be great
March 19th, 2016 at 12:31 pm
The only way it makes sense to keep him is if we make him a long term deal to be a back up.
Which would be solid as we would have a top level back up
March 19th, 2016 at 12:48 pm
:yawn:
If glennon had ANY trade value, he would have been gone last year. Licht wants at least a 4th. No team is willing to give that up for Glennon.
March 19th, 2016 at 12:58 pm
Lol! Howard can see the Joes having little orgasms when they watched that video for the 1st time.
OK FINE! Trade Glennon because he won’t want to be a career backup anyway. Joe is right that he’ll obviously leave when his contract is up.
He deserves a low 1st or a high 2nd at worst.
#CANNON
# MGM Lives!
March 19th, 2016 at 1:02 pm
I believe Glennon will be traded and we’ll get AT LEAST a third rounder… The Osweiler deal has set the price for Glennon. MG8s resume is more impressive and I’d say his film I even more impressive. There are plenty of QB needy teams out there and the QBs in this draft are all very mediocre. If I were the Browns’ GM I’d be all over this deal. If I were the Cardinals or Cowboys I’d also be interested.
March 19th, 2016 at 1:09 pm
Licht and Koetter have ignored those loud voices who demand a a trade of Glennon.
March 19th, 2016 at 1:16 pm
@Tmaxcon:
Well, the results are finally tallied, and you are officially the biggest hater of MG8. It wasn’t even close, though the Joes have tried for months. Congrats!
Since I have spent more than $50,000 on tickets etc. over the last decade or more, I am pretty sure I will still support the Bucs, regardless of whether they trade Mike Glennon.
In 18 games and one quarter, MG8 has thrown for 29 TDs vs. 22 TDs for JW3 after 16 games. He has only thrown 15 INTs. He managed those numbers while playing behind a weak offensive line, with receivers like Tiquan Underwood and Tim Wright, and a coach that everyone loves to hate, while playing against the toughest schedule in the NFL (including 5 games against the top four defenses in 2013). His reward for all of that was to be made a backup without even a competition. His response has been to be the consummate professional at every turn. Yet, you hate him because he only managed to win 5 games.
Well, the savior, the messiah, America’s quarterback only managed to win 6 games, despite playing behind a much improved offensive line, with the 2nd leading rusher in the NFL, with VJax and ME13 as receivers, and with Dirk Koetter as his offensive coordinator against the WEAKEST schedule in the entire NFL. (look at the teams at the bottom of the defensive rankings for 2015, and see if you spot any of our opponents there)
I have been saying for months that I hope Mike Glennon gets traded.
tickrdr (Charter member of the MGM)
March 19th, 2016 at 1:41 pm
It would be detrimental to the Bucs to keep MG8. IF and only if we get at least a 2nd or high 3rd rounder for him. It is important to have a solid backup. I understand that. Someone like Hoyer could fill that role. And be cheap as well. Include the cheap salary of a rookie contract. Now compare that to what MG8 will be making next season. He will be getting 8 figures from some team out there. Which makes it impossible to resign him. And, anyone who says he will resign with us to be a backup; with half the league needing a solid QB. That’s just being naive. Licht get this done.
We could add a starter on D or at WR with that pick. Or keep a guy to hold a clipboard. Also, MG8 has had a year to work with Jameis off the field. Anything he could teach him about being a pro; has probably already happened. That’s why you have a coaching staff. It would be asinine to keep the guy. It would also be unfair to MG8. He has been the ultimate professional, and deserves a chance to be a starting QB.
March 19th, 2016 at 1:45 pm
If Glennon can be traded for a decent pick, that’s great. If we could sign him to be a long term back up, that would be great too, but it won’t happen. But let’s not rewrite history…
Tickrdr, Glennon also had vjax to throw to in every single game he played (JW did not have him for almost half last season). He also had Mike Evans during those games in 2014. If you want pull out stats and facts, let’s look at all of them. He got a totally raw deal when mcclown was brought in I agree, but there was competition between him and Jameis during the preseason last year., Jameis was simply better.
March 19th, 2016 at 2:09 pm
Tickdr
I’m don’t hate Glennon just don’t see the same potential you do in him. He is clearly not in the bucs future plans therefore to me he’s irrelevant. Get the best pick you can and move on. If he is as great as you and several others believe he is bucs will have trade suitors lined up and the bucs will receive a a pick. Obviously that has not happened therefore my assessment of Glennon is more accurate. He’s proven nothing yet you want us to believe he is the next coming of Montana.
March 19th, 2016 at 2:17 pm
@unbelievable:
Thank you for the thoughtful response. Your points are well taken, however let’s look a little deeper.
In 2013, VJax caught 7 TDs in 13 games, all from MG8 (JW5 none in three games). Almost 1000 of his 1224 TDs were also from Glennon. In 2014, VJax caught only 2 TD passes, but one was the game winner in Pittsburgh, thrown by MG8. VJax did start 9 games in 2015, and had 3 TD passes total.
It is also true that ME13, did play with MG8 in 2014. While MG8 played only 5 games, ME13 only played in four of those, missing the game against NO entirely, I believe due to injury. In four games with MG8, Evans caught 4 TDs, out of 12 for the season. In 2015, ME13 caught only 3 TDs for the season from JW3?!?
Tickrdr
March 19th, 2016 at 2:28 pm
I appreciate you Joe but this is one of your dumbest ideas man. Have you seen the records of teams without good backups that lost a starter?
March 19th, 2016 at 2:31 pm
trade this guy. id be fine with as low as a fifth round pick. if you pick people right in the mid late rounds, they can really make an impact. look at denvers and seattles defense
March 19th, 2016 at 2:34 pm
Remember when everyone in Washington wanted the Skins to trade Cousins because they had RG3. Turned out it was a good thing they kept Cousins because RG3 was never the same after his injury. Let’s keep Glennon and hope he never see’s the field.
March 19th, 2016 at 2:41 pm
Just to recap the above for the math-challenged:
MG8 threw more TDs to VJax in one season than McCown or JW3 (2013).
MG8 threw more TDs to ME13 in four games than JW3 did in 16 games (4vs.3).
MG8 threw more TDs to one WR (VJax in 2013) than JW3 did to BOTH of our Pro Bowl receivers (7 vs. 6 combined in 2015). All against much stronger competition. Have I ever mentioned that the 2013 opponents included 9 games vs. opponents with at least 10 wins. Compare that to 2015.
Tickrdr
March 19th, 2016 at 2:50 pm
For those you screaming to keep Glennon—
With the utmost respect, YOU’RE IDIOTS!
Too many holes on this team to keep a guy that doesn’t play and can possibly get a 2-3 rounder.
He walks when the season is over so WTF is the point?
They should contend in the playoffs this year but not without JW. He is clearly the leader. MG is decent but he is not taking this team deep in the playoffs, an extra DE or LB or Safety or WR in round 2-3 could help with that.
March 19th, 2016 at 3:14 pm
Joe what do you think…Glennon for Wilkerson
March 19th, 2016 at 3:19 pm
Tickdr
Do all the math you like to compare Winston/ Glennon you are not taking into consideration the most important intangibles. Winston is a winner and took over the locker room. Not once did I see Glennon rally his teammates. All the numbers in the world won’t matter if your teammates don’t believe in you or won’t battle to the end. Glennon does not project the same charisma which is very important.
March 19th, 2016 at 3:50 pm
Good grief not this again. Your take is ok but there is a rational counter. Remember 4-7 rd picks are like dicey whether they ever see the field. So it’d have to be a high pick to be worthwhile. Everybody would do it for a 2nd rd pick!! How is this controversial??
March 19th, 2016 at 4:29 pm
It just does not make any sense for a team with all sorts of holes, a team that has had one winning season since Chucky was jettisoned
lol at this but lovie had to go in the middle of doing a total overhaul. but yeah you could go get a draft pick for mg8 I would I can find a decent back up
March 19th, 2016 at 4:31 pm
If I were Cleveland (which would suck) I may offer to switch 1st round picks with TB and then either my 2nd round pick or my 3rd and one of their likely compensatory picks this year. This secures them a solid starter in Glennon and still have the ability to draft one of the top QBs in this draft if they so choose.
Then, if I’m Tampa (much better place to be), I’m looking to deal that 2nd pick to anyone that needs one of the top QB’s for additional picks.
You may say I’m a dreamer….but I’m not the only one.
March 19th, 2016 at 4:38 pm
Still using unnamed voices and sources. Trying to justify getting rid of him. But then again, This is the want to be GM that was going to pay Martin 11.8 million using the franchise tag. And still tried to justify that. Licht will do what he decides to do. Until then carry on General.
March 19th, 2016 at 4:40 pm
Look, Joe has been banging this drum damn near since the day America’s Quarterback, Pro Bowler Jameis Winston, was drafted.
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You have been banging this drum far longer than that.
March 19th, 2016 at 4:41 pm
This isn’t s difficult decision. You need an offer better than the compensatory pick and you need to find some 30+ yo vet to fill in. That’s it that’s all. Let’s not reinvent the GM-Wheel here.
March 19th, 2016 at 4:42 pm
Im glad we have a competent GM who understands the value of an experienced, talented, cheap and young back up QB outweighs the opinions of the small minded.
March 19th, 2016 at 4:45 pm
Tmaxcon says:
“Not once did I see Glennon rally his teammates.”
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I am so sorry you missed the game on the road against the Steelers in 2014. It was my favorite game of that dismal year.
Just for the record, I have hoped they trade Glennon for many months now.
tickrdr
March 19th, 2016 at 4:52 pm
Clearly, MG8’s trade value is limited, perhaps by a “low ceiling”, as most on this board feel. But the potential trade partner would only have his services, no matter how good or bad, for only ONE season. So, why give up a premium draft choice for only one season. The season after that though, he will be an unrestricted free agent. Then we will see HIS TRUE VALUE. I suspect he will have a nicer house and a nicer car than most of us posting on this board.
Tickrdr
March 19th, 2016 at 5:06 pm
@Tickrdr
and if he goes to the right team (Cardinals) he could be in the playoffs before JW3 and the Bucs!!!!!!
March 19th, 2016 at 5:16 pm
@The Buc Realist:
My daughter moved to Denver, and I am posting from Breckenridge, Colorado while on vacation. I hope he gets to play in Denver, making the Broncos, my second favorite team. BTW, I agree completely with your assessment.
tickrdr
March 19th, 2016 at 5:20 pm
Doesn’t make sense to trade for anything less than a 2nd round pick we get a compensation 3rd round pick if he walks.
March 19th, 2016 at 5:57 pm
We don’t automatically get a 3rd round compensatory pick just because he walks. People need to stop thinking this.
The pick we would get is based on him leaving, how much he is paid by that team, as well as our own free agency activity that same off-season. The more players we sign, the lower value pick we will get for him, if anything. There are many factors that go into it.
3rd rounder is probably the best case scenario. Unless he gets offered some MEGA contract and we don’t sign too many guys. Not very likely.
March 19th, 2016 at 5:59 pm
Carload
Hate to break it to you and others bucs are not receiving a 3rd Rd compensatory pick for glennon. Look at the formula
March 19th, 2016 at 6:22 pm
If you polled all Bucs fans and asked if they would trade Glennon for a 2nd round pick I would be shocked if 80%+ didn’t jump at that offer in a heartbeat. The question isn’t about trading our backup to most it is if it’s worth the pick we would receive. If you get a 4-5th round pick and could obtain that as a compensatory pick and have a guy who can come in a rally the the team in case of an injury (like the Stelers game tmaxcon never saw) then a fair bit of fans would hold to keep him.
As for tmaxcon, you are a troll. You somehow equate people not wanting to give up a player for peanuts to people who would potentially leave the team if a backup QB leaves. Go home, you’re drunk. As far as your “look at the formula” BS. Guess what, the formula is not open record, so NO ONE can “look at the formula” as you suggest. However, the largest correlation is annual contract salary. Maybe you should “look it up.”
March 19th, 2016 at 6:45 pm
Hey tickdr.
-Can you look up the stats of how many first half TDs Glennon had?
-How about how many garbage time TDs he had? after he scored 0 points for 3 quarters, and defenses went soft.
-How did glennon do against the blitz?
-How did glennon do on third down conversions?
-How many sacks did Glennon avoid?
-How many sacks did Glennon take?
It is so weird that in 2012, the bucs offensive line was awesome, but in 2013 it was terrible. The same starters were all there… I wonder why the uptick in sacks when glennon was behind center. A real mystery for sure.
March 19th, 2016 at 6:48 pm
Also compensatory pick is out of the question for glennon. Back u QBs don’t get paid a lot. We won’t even see a 7th.
March 19th, 2016 at 6:55 pm
The reality is he is as good or better than half the starters in the league and definitely has shown he is better than the FAs out there.
At this point I’d be surprised if they don’t get a 3rd rounder or higher.
Personally I think he is s career average QB or backup, but You must understand the mindset of coaching. They all see what he’s done and think they can turn them into way more than he is.
Regardless, there is absolutely no justifying keeping a backup QB when they could turn him into a 3rd rounder or higher.
I’d also take an average positional player for depth and a 4th rounder.
March 19th, 2016 at 7:17 pm
Trubucsfan killing us with knowledge, apparently backup QB’s don’t get paid much. This is news to Chase Daniel. Sam Bradford, Brock Osweiler and Kirk Cousins are all top shelf QB’s that’s why they are all getting a minimum of 17.5 million dollars to play next year right? And I’m sure the entire league sees the giraffe as a backup. All 32 teams have better QB’s right?
March 19th, 2016 at 8:04 pm
Please do trade hime somewhere. Then at last I can have a team to support, not wish ill will to, like this moribund franchise.
March 19th, 2016 at 8:25 pm
Look nobody should to give up a cheap good backup qb for a 4-7 rd pick. If you can do better ok. Possible licht wants a 1-2 rd pick and won’t budge. Not a terrible spot. Mg only making like 1.7 mil and can win games with an improved d. What I don’t get is the logic “if our starter goes down were just going to lose anyway”. I think steelers bengals Broncos won some big games last year without their starter. If you have a good backup why not get excited and try to win some games. Sucks being s fan and losing 70% of your games.
March 19th, 2016 at 8:28 pm
Ur so right Tom s. Kirk cousins and brock osweiler and sam bradford are all expected to be back ups for their teams.
If any team thought Glennon was a starting QB in this league, they would have traded for him already. This league is desperate to find quality QBs.
The only people that think glennon is any good are delusional buc fans and “unnamed sources”. Lol
March 19th, 2016 at 10:17 pm
Glennon should be traded; makes since to get something for him now than have him walk after the season and get nothing…
If I were Clevelands GM I’d be ringing Jason Licht’s phone off the hook right now…Imo, Glennon would be perfect for them…in Clevelands case it, makes more sense to add a mature, smart, experienced QB with big arm over another rookie QB experiment…I’d trade for Glennon, then draft Ezekiel Elliott early, then I’d bring Josh Gordon back (last chance) and build an offense around those 3…
March 20th, 2016 at 12:55 am
Id keep Glennon for a title run. If it looked like we weren’t going to make it I would trade him by the deadline. Any real playoff team has a capable backup. There is a good chance that Winston goes down for a game or two, maybe more. Why not have a hungry, experienced backup at the ready to lead this playoff charge?
March 20th, 2016 at 1:52 am
That makes some sense to me Buccos – but in case you missed it, Joe decreed 2 days ago that even if the Bucs were to make the playoffs we are NOT going to the Super Bowl this year. Also that if Winston gets hurt – that it makes the most sense to have the worst back up QB possible so as to not win “meaningless games” and try to get a better draft position if Winston was to get hurt. So those are more good reasons we must get rid of MG8 at all costs as soon as possible….
Joe – I hope you realize this point you drove home and then defended (along with “Franchise Martin! Franchise Martin!!!”) are your self-inflicted versions of “I didn’t want to score any point before halftime” and the ever popular “Football doesn’t start until November”
March 20th, 2016 at 1:54 am
points
this site needs a poster’s “edit” button…
March 20th, 2016 at 11:47 am
You know…they were offered a second rounder (should have taken it). I don’t see why they don’t take it and add a condition to it…a 3rd rounder is added if Glennon works out.
Conditional picks are in trades all the time.
March 20th, 2016 at 11:49 am
@Pickgrin
Except we don’t “post” here. People post on forums, and this is not that. It is a blog. We comment. Look around at all the other blogs and see how many let commenters edit their comments…not many.
I would love the option though, and I support the suggestion. I just don’t see it happening.
March 20th, 2016 at 4:10 pm
Note to JAB*#..No matter how hard you try..You can’t stop me now..from speaking me peace. And..thanks for reading my post!