Emmanuel Ogbah Says Bucs Are In Pursuit
March 18th, 2016
Wanted
Beastly Nigerian defensive end Emmanuel Ogbah out of Oklahoma State was a chatty guy this morning.
He was live on Joe’s favorite morning radio show, PFT Live on NBC Sports Radio.
Host and NFL insider guru Mike Florio, creator of ProFootballTalk.com, asked Ogbah about teams pursuing him and lining up visits.
Ogbah named only the Bucs and the Bears.
Various mock drafts place Obgah as a first- or second-round pick. The Big-12 Defensive Player of the Year could be there for Tampa Bay early in the second round, or a trade-up target for late in the first round..
Joe’s not a big believer in the NFL Scouting Combine Olympics, but there’s something awfully unique about a 6-4, 273-pound guy who runs a 4.63 40 yard dash. Ogbah had 12 1/2 sacks last year.
March 18th, 2016 at 7:55 am
I wouldn’t be mad at all. He was quite the Jamies nuisance when FSU played them opening week two seasons ago.
March 18th, 2016 at 7:59 am
Wait….WHAT??? 6-4, Two Hundred Seventy Three pounds!!! 4.63 40yd dash. Wow!! That is extremely impressive. Not that it matters to anyone but this guys just climbed my wish list board. This is good news to the trade down and pick up extra pick Bucs fans.
March 18th, 2016 at 8:00 am
Rd 1- Rankins
Rd 2 – Ogbah is fine if he’s there
March 18th, 2016 at 8:08 am
If we pass up Rankins and the saints pick him it will come back to haunt us twice a year. I promise you.
March 18th, 2016 at 8:14 am
I really think we are gonna take him.
March 18th, 2016 at 8:14 am
@JoeBucsFan how do you dismiss the #s from the combined so easily. Licht loves them. It allow you to understand the athletic skills of a player compared to other NFL athletes.. Top athletes = one less obstacle to overcome.
Top athletes with great tape = higher likelihood of success
VHIII is a 96% percentile of NFL corners
Shaw Lawson good tape, tests as a Force player and is a 79th percentile of NFL edge players
Ogbah has good tape, doesn’t test as a Force player, and tests as a 82nd percentile of NFL edge players.
Who do you take?
Licht has been collecting top SPARQ players Marpet, Sweezy, Robinson, Kenny Bell, D.Smith, etc… Especially in the later rounds.
March 18th, 2016 at 8:16 am
Ogbah has plenty of potential still there. His combine was great and he is the top SPARQ score in this EDGE class
March 18th, 2016 at 8:16 am
No_Bucs_Given Says:
1Gr8Buc Says:
I’m a believer that the draft is a crapshoot, but based on what film I can find on Rankin, he’s a very, very special DT that teamed with McCoy would maybe be the toughest in the NFL. And entire defense starts at the DT positions.
Ogbah at #2 would bring a smile to my face.
March 18th, 2016 at 8:41 am
We need him to chase cam stinking Newton and keep him inside the pocket
March 18th, 2016 at 8:50 am
Ogbah isn’t making it out the 1st, would love trading down, if not no idea who bucs take, so many impressive DTs passing on Rankins for a DE like Ogbah a good idea, hoping a good corner falls in our lap 2nd like Apple or Jackson 3, Javon Hargrave Chris Jones or Vernon butler are similar DT targets in 3rd
March 18th, 2016 at 9:10 am
Yes
March 18th, 2016 at 9:12 am
Can he rush the passer? That is the only test.
March 18th, 2016 at 9:16 am
Can someone explain to me why this guy is not a top 10 projection. I just don’t understand. He has the size speed and production.
March 18th, 2016 at 9:26 am
I’m wit you on that statement DB..
March 18th, 2016 at 9:43 am
@BFFL
I dont understand why no one is talking about this kid. He has produced more sacks than any other prospect. He has size and speed off the edge. I think we should take him at 9.
March 18th, 2016 at 9:58 am
BFFL
Because there are at least 10 others ahead of him. These are the cream of the crop.
March 18th, 2016 at 10:04 am
Emmanuel Ogbah’s 10 yard split time is what caught most peoples attention (1.59). Guess who was the last player this size to throw out a 1.59 time? Aaron Donald. Ogbah arms length was unreal (35.1/2). The problem with this years class of edge rushers is that each one of them has some part of their game that gets exposed. Ogbah has several. Ogbah’s lack of explosiveness off the ball is one of his concerns. Part of the issue is inconsistent timing in his jump, as Ogbah will too often be the last defender out of his stance. The bigger problem is that Ogbah simply isn’t a very twitched-up athlete. You end up with a pass rusher who is not going to scare offensive tackles with his first step or initial burst because he simply isn’t that type of athlete. Swims, spins, clubs; all out of the question with Ogbah. The number one concern I keep hearing about with Ogbah is his motor and apparent lack of effort at certain times during every game. I just can’t see him in the top ten.
March 18th, 2016 at 10:16 am
round 2 maybe be I like a couple other players better
March 18th, 2016 at 10:17 am
*but
March 18th, 2016 at 10:38 am
Would love to see him as a late first trade up candidate. As mentioned there are issues with his consistency but there are a lot of tools to work with and it’s not like he wasn’t very productive through his college career.
March 18th, 2016 at 10:59 am
Not much chance of him making it out of the top 20, maybe I’m wrong. You can’t coach up speed and length, two things he possesses. He’s not a true edge setter right now from the little that I’ve seen, not sure how raw he really is. We seem to have the coaching in place to bring it out of him though.
DTs are essential, but few of them are real game changers like an edge rusher that can win one on ones. Grab the DE/LB first and DT second.
March 18th, 2016 at 11:01 am
Excellent post @godzilla13.
This time of year, 90% of people have no idea what they’re talking about. A fast 40 time will get the blood flowing to their nether regions faster than it would for Joe with Rachel Watson and a bottle of baby oil. Yea he can run in a straight line very fast, and it is very impressive for a man of his size. But he doesn’t play fast. As you mentioned, I also noticed he tends to be the last one out of his stance. He also tends to stand straight up which will negate any leverage when he faces O linemen who know what they’re doing.
His production can’t be debated, and I give him props for putting up nice numbers. The technique issues and lack of pass rush moves can possibly be worked out, especially if he is paired with a top notch D line coach like Jay Hayes.
Early on, he was mentioned as a possibility at #9 simiply because of the Bucs’ obvious need. Then he slid down mocks and was replaced by Noah Spence. Now Spence had a somewhat lackluster combine, Ogbah runs like the wind, and everyone gets all hot in the pants for him again. This time of year can be fun, to read up on prospects and watch videos and all that. But the flip flopping and this kind of stuff that can make this process very annoying.
March 18th, 2016 at 11:09 am
We will take the best player available luckily it’s going to be a position of need if it’s a Nose Tackle a DE or a LB. I think Dallas is going to be a key factor in what we have to choose from. I’m crossing my fingers that they take a QB.
March 18th, 2016 at 11:10 am
so on one hand Ogbah has a great 10yrd split, but lacks explosiveness off the ball..this seems to contradict
I think GMs are just keeping their true opinion about the guy under wraps in hopes that he falls back. Early mocks back in November had him in the top 10 so his tape must have been good. Hope Licht and Hayes know the truth because the Bucs will look pretty damn foolish passing on this guy if he turns into the real deal.
March 18th, 2016 at 11:53 am
Hard to evaluate big 12 defensive lineman every offense is a spread bubble screen quick passing offense 5 offensive lineman protection, it’s pure speed n power to the QB, no technique, the better athlete wins most of the time, ogbah is the better athlete so he has great production, he’ll have to work hard to learn pass rush moves and countermoves, he’s like a 6’5 Greek god QB that needs to learn footwork, he’s going to take awhile to learn the pro game, he’ll look like a bust the first 2 years, then turn it on, but a 1st rounder could get passed by a more technically sound 3rd rounder with less physical gifts….I like Carl Nassib 6’7″ 280 ran a 4.84 was a former walkon at penn state, hes gonna be a steal in the 3rd
March 18th, 2016 at 12:20 pm
I like him for his production but he isnt consistent. Like others have pointed out he’s so slow off the line. It’s weird because he chooses to play like this, he has shown above average explosiveness at the snap just about 5 plays every game. Noah spence shaq lawson leonard floyd lead this class of pass rushers and all 3 of them play high intensity they are deserving of a top pick. Lawson has the size, the want to, the technique, that stands out above the rest. He lacks backside pursuit but hey thats an easy one, right? (Get in there man!) Spence plays explosively all he lacks is size but he has a huge motor. Size could be a non issue by training camp for spence. Floyd lacks size and doesnt play with the instincts as a lb to get into the best pursuit angle in run defense although he is great in coverage and explodes off the snap in pass rush. Then we have Ogbah the man that has the potential to be all those guys rolled into one. He has size but his technique is slothlike if he exploded at the snap and had consistent counter pass rush moves he’d easily be the top de in this draft. He is a big man and hardly ever gets moved off the line. He has potential but his WANT TO is seems as if it needs to be built up. VOCH LOMBARDI on youtube talks about each of these des in the draft take a moment and watch some film listen to what he says and you will see the draft clear up as far as talent goes. **Note** watch shaq lawsons deadly spin move!
March 18th, 2016 at 12:47 pm
This Rankins kid might be to good to pass up. Has a motor like that Aaron Donald kid from the Rams. We all know there are 3 or 4 really good DE’s in this draft. Arguably 2 really good ones. I would take Rankins 1st though if he’s there. Ogbah is good. But he’s a developmental DE at best. I’d take him..just not at no 9.
March 18th, 2016 at 12:50 pm
I smell a smoke screen.
March 18th, 2016 at 5:01 pm
He is a beast. I said to many times weeks ago. Not sure if 9 is the right spot but he is talented. Def would have to trade up to get him. No way he makes it past Carolina at 30 at worst.
March 19th, 2016 at 8:26 am
He will probably go somewhere in the late teens early 20’s. Highly doubt he makes it to the second rnd. If by a miracle he does I wouldn’t be suprised if the bucs try to up a few spots to grab him. Maybe back into the first rnd too. Could u imagine getting Rankins and Ogbah? Scary thought for opposing QB’s.
March 19th, 2016 at 10:54 am
Rankins is nothing like Aaron Donald, stop listening to media draft “experts” and watch full game clips, not highlight reels
Would not surprise me at all if Ogbah is the most productive DE in draft 5 years from now.
March 19th, 2016 at 6:46 pm
This means a trade down.
March 20th, 2016 at 8:40 pm
Big Marlon B Says – “Excellent post @godzilla13” Thank You.
Guzzie Says – “I like Carl Nassib 6’7″ 280 ran a 4.84 in the 3rd” With tall players you often hear that the concern is they can’t play low enough. Not an issue for Nassib, who is able to get his pad level down consistently on tape. Pair this with a quick first step (backed up by his 10 yard split at the Combine, which was in 1.62) and you are on your way to having most of the qualifications I believe every good pass rusher should have. And Nassib was a productive pass rusher, he recorded a whopping 15.5 sacks in his senior season. That paired well with his 19.5 Tackles for a Loss as well. He could turn into the best DE in the draft.
BFFL Says – “On one hand Ogbah has a great 10yrd split, but lacks explosiveness off the ball..this seems to contradict.” When you are the last to get off the snap and you stand straight up your 10-second split time doesn’t mean much. Yes, good coaching should fix it.
Delson Says – I agree with your post. I just don’t see any DE other than Bosa a top ten pick. Buckner should be listed as a DT.
Mike Johnson Says – I agree that Sheldon Rankins should be the pick at nine. Then either draft Carl Nassib in the 3rd or Shawn Oakman in the fourth.
Did anyone else see Andrew Billings workout at his Pro-Day? The big man can fly and he may be a better fit at NT for us over Rankins? Thoughts?