“A Coach Who Will Stay In His Lane”
January 11th, 2016
Dirk Koetter fits a mold
NFL owners and executives seem to be all about trends, the tasty flavor of the day.
Per Mike Florio, the esteemed founder of the legendary ProFootballTalk.com and NBC Sports NFL insider, the latest obsession is finding a head coach that doesn’t want personnel power.
Avoiding that clash is a priority, Florio discussed with Joe Rose on CBS Sports Radio in Miami.
Florio says teams are seeking “a coach who will stay in his lane.” He specifically referenced Bucs general manager Jason Licht and speculated Licht “doesn’t want to hand power away.”
Joe can’t argue with this logic and, again, teams are always trying to embrace the success of others and avoid their mistakes. After watching Chip Kelly and Lovie Smith implode, among others, perhaps clearly delineating power is the way to go.
January 11th, 2016 at 10:06 am
Bucs were good when McKay and Gruden we’re feuding.
Once Gruden ran off McKay and consolidated all power
the roster got very sketchy.
You need that friction between HC and GM for a good team.
January 11th, 2016 at 10:09 am
AMEN BROTHER!!! This is why all the talk of Saban and Coughlin does not excite me one bit.
I find it hard to believe Licht finally escaped two years of lap dog status only to once again return.
In addition I trust Licht now after watching him, hearing his pressers, as much as any of the head coaching candidates. I want LICHT to have the final say on personnel!!! Obviously he’s going to work WITH any HC but I want the buck or should I say Buc to stop with him.
BTW I throw this out even though it’s not likely to happen. The ONLY exception to this rule for me would be Chucky! Yeah I know all the reasons people say Chucky would never come back…but eliminate cushy job…$$$…if Chucky still wants to follow his passion and it’s still on the sidelines…he’ll be back and the Bucs are the perfect opportunity. Enough water has gone under the bridge that he and the Glazers could patch their differences.
For those who think this is totally impossible…far..far more likely than Saban.
If Chucky wants to get to Canton his road lies through Tampa not a broadcast booth. If he came back and won another Super Bowl he’d probably seal the deal on a Gold Jacket…..that’s some heady stuff and quite a temptation
January 11th, 2016 at 10:10 am
Isn’t that why we have a Head Football Coach, and a General Manager in the first place?
January 11th, 2016 at 10:23 am
Who handed power to Belichick, Tomlin, Lewis, McCarthy, Payton and Harbaugh?
The Pat’s, Steelers, Bengals, Packers, Saints, and Ravens have won a LOT of games…and like the wizard say’s “[they] do not share power…”
Do they share? If Licht DOESN’T like to share…it seems inconsistent with what has made New England great (coaching stability).
Why would Licht not want to share “lanes” with head coach who is competent, knows what he wants, and meshes with Licht?!
January 11th, 2016 at 10:35 am
SPBF, i’ve thought about the Chucky return also. and while it has its appeal:
1) it’s time to stop recreating the past and let this generation of bucs build their own legacy. we (media, fans, even ownership) keep trying to see the team of 20 years ago in these players and coaches, and it’s just led to bad decisions
2) chucky would want all the perks, including roster power, and we know how that went last time (and how it goes in general)
3) i think it’s very easy for retired coaches to get complacent. it’s rare to see a comeback off a long coaching layoff that goes well, and aside from dick vermeil it may have never led to a championship. coaches seem to be at their best when they haven’t yet had an opportunity to appreciate what normal people do with all that time football coaches spend staring at film and gameplanninf
January 11th, 2016 at 10:39 am
I think a good coach is one who imparts his philosophy on his own coaches. They buy in to his schtick, then you have the makings of a franchise. Most of the good coaches come with a pedigree. They have learnt as they have got older and carry that knowledge with them.
Some rely on what they learnt from those coaches and flog it till its dead or until it doesn’t work anymore (Lovie), and some take that and add it to what ever else they learnt and put their spin on it.
Thats what we need, a coach who is evolving, not stuck on a particular ideal….
January 11th, 2016 at 10:43 am
@pick6
I agree 100%. This is why I say go with Koetter! I wouldn’t go nuts if they bring back Chucky but you’ve laid out all my fears as well.
But Saban? He has all those Chucky flaws plus the fact that he does not know our team and hasn”t even looked at the NFL much for years…too busy working on becoming the greatest COLLEGE coach in history.
I’m with you pick6. Licht has been a breath of fresh air as has Koetter. If Licht signs off on Koetter than I’m totally on board.
January 11th, 2016 at 11:01 am
It’s about being right….doesn’t matter who makes the decision.
January 11th, 2016 at 11:02 am
I don’t think the HC should ever hire the GM. Period.
January 11th, 2016 at 11:15 am
Yeah, I bet all the SF 49er fans agree with this!!!!
January 11th, 2016 at 11:28 am
@Joe – what about Todd Haley? No one has really mentioned him, and we’d have to wait until the Steelers are bounced from the postseason. He’s been successful at Arizona and Pittsburgh, and has HC experience. I realize he was 19-27 with the Chiefs, but he did win a division title there his second season, lost a lot of his key players to injury in his final year, and KC wasn’t the most ideal destination for personnel for the longest time. Bellichick was miserable in Cleveland, got another shot with New England, and the rest is history…
January 11th, 2016 at 11:33 am
SPBF, a saban signing would tell me they got turned down by a bunch of people and eventually got desperate enough to mint the first $10 million coach in NFL history. i’m with you in believing that is an unjustifiable gamble and just giving into hype over rational thinking.
on another website, the idea of snagging Sean McDermott as HC and convincing Koetter to stick around as OC was floated. i kinda love that idea – wound a division rival, and simultaneously bring in a guy with roots in both the Jim Johnson blitzfest school of thought as well as the more straight up our-guys-outplay-your guys scheme he has had the talent to run in Carolina
January 11th, 2016 at 12:00 pm
Pick6
Agree with your thoughts…depends how badly Koetter wants to be a head coach.
He’s no spring chicken and his time is running out.
OTOH if he believes the next HC could actually turn the defense around and the Bucs start winning he may believe that one more year with #3 would enhance his rep enough to put off HC for another year.
I guess we take a lot of things for granted. Does anybody even know if Koetter wants to be head coach of the Bucs?
January 11th, 2016 at 12:21 pm
Is it McDermott’s team or Rivera…I’m under the guise it’s Rivera..McDermott came from philly….and the defense could never get them over the hump under Reid (an offensive hc)
January 11th, 2016 at 12:40 pm
Between the picture and the title of this thread…it just ain’t right Joe 🙂
January 11th, 2016 at 12:45 pm
The GM role should be at the top of the football operations hierarchy. The Head Coach and Director of Scouting should be peers, and should have complete control of their respective staffs.
The GM and Director of Scouting should be focused on the long term health of the franchise, and should make the final calls on which players are drafted, signed as free agents, traded, or released. The head coach should be focused on winning right now, and should have final authority on the depth chart. That’s why McKay and Chucky were an excellent GM/HC tandem.
There are a few notable exceptions where the HC can also be an excellent GM, like Parcells, Belichick, and Payton; however, most all-powerful HCs are abject failures and the Bucs should avoid that situation unless they can land one of those special talents.
January 11th, 2016 at 1:09 pm
A friend from Pittsburgh says don’t take Haley, that he sucks. They should have never let Arians go. Besides we have our OC head coach in waiting.
January 11th, 2016 at 1:12 pm
Keep the power over the roster or not, Licht’s career as a GM will be very short unless he hires someone that wins, period. I think he realizes this so either way he has to get results. Also it seems that first time GM’s don’t get second chances in today’s NFL so he’s got a lot of pressure on him.
January 11th, 2016 at 1:22 pm
Bad pic for Glennon…. lol
January 11th, 2016 at 1:23 pm
i’m hoping koetter is over wanting to be the guy in front of the firing squad. the 49ers job had some appeal because it takes him back to the part of the country he’s from, but i don’t think he’d want to be a head coach of just any team. and if he really enjoys working with jameis, maybe he’s content to be a tom moore (or whoever peyton’s OC was for most of his Indy career). head coaching gives him less time to develop his QB
January 11th, 2016 at 1:25 pm
That’s always been the way to go. I’m sorry, unless you’ve already established your HoF credentials (see, Parcells, Belicheck), just f@?%#*g coach the players you have and trust your GM and scouting department to bring you the goods.
January 11th, 2016 at 1:29 pm
If Marvin Lewis became available I think the Bucs should strongly consider going after him
January 11th, 2016 at 1:35 pm
@IK
Hell F’ing NO to Marvin Lewis! Please be kidding…please. Fire laid back Lovie for a marginly better Lovie 2.0??? I know the playoffs drought in Tampa has been long and painful , but I’d really don’t to see the team make it and get bounced first round…repeat cycle…repeat cycle….repeat…you get my drift. Super Bowl or bust baby…that’s why Dungy got the boot here.
January 11th, 2016 at 2:02 pm
Along that line of thinking though, Dungy went to Indy where he had a qb and won a Superbowl….
Our D is a horror show and Cincy has a D full of psychopaths who can play. Anything better than what we have on D would be an upgrade.
How many more times can we stomach giving up 5 straight 3rd and long situations? I can’t take it.
January 11th, 2016 at 3:54 pm
That pics sums up Glennon’s career fairly well.
January 11th, 2016 at 5:27 pm
I think Marvin Lewis is an excellent coach. Tony Dungy threw his old bud under the bus big time though over the PacMan Jones Burfict penalaties saying this wasn’t an accident. Cincinnati has a culture of bad characters since Lewis has been there Even one of their cheerleaders (full time teacher) got arrested for doing an underage boy!!! I know that’s a plus for some of you.
Bottom line is Marvin Lewis is NO Tony Dungy…More Al Davis or Chucky or Urban Meyer…can you play…you’re good to go…what you beat women…get all manner of stupid violent penalties…that’s not the issue…can you play.
There are some posters here who crave that…let’s line up Incognito…Hardy..Burfict..and Pacman..and let Lewis “coach em up”. LMAO
January 11th, 2016 at 6:35 pm
What about McDermott and bring koetter back with raise as oc. Draft some good defensive players in draft. Full other holes in fa. They say a qbs best friend is a good defense,
January 11th, 2016 at 6:43 pm
At least they were clothed in that pic.
January 11th, 2016 at 7:04 pm
Bill Parcells will be the next HC for the Bucs. Yes, you heard it right, Parcells. The Glazers wanted him in 1991 and he said no. They wanted him in 2002 and he said no. I cannot possibly imagine him saying no again.
Except if they hire Koetter first.
January 11th, 2016 at 7:35 pm
The Glazers didn’t own the team in 91 you moron.
January 11th, 2016 at 7:36 pm
The Glazers didn’t own the team in 91 you dipspit.
January 11th, 2016 at 7:58 pm
Hiring Koetter..and he will be our next HC…will be the worst decisions made in recent NFL coaching. You are gonna take a man who was so so in college and has no NFL HC experience to lead your team your a superbowl. I can’t wait to see and hear the spinning and excuses once the losing starts. Poor Bucs..searchin for that..flash in the Pan. Ain’t happening. Not in this League. As you Buc fans shall soon see.
January 11th, 2016 at 11:24 pm
We all know that a good gm and HC Relationship revolves around working together. If the GM has the power then the HC should be able to talk to him about adding this or that player or cutting this or that player. When Drafting, the coach will have his opinions and a good GM would consider what his coach is telling him. That working relationship is key to a successful organization.
When a coach and GM dont see eye to eye that is when you get issues, but if both men respect each other and the process, then there should not be any problem when it comes to who has the power. Because when you are on the same page it is easy to make decisions that make both people happy.